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TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:05 PM
Theres now a report out there that even if Texas goes to 6 years at around 25 per (6 years 150 million) the Yankees will offer a 32 year old pitcher 7 years at 175 million.

This needs to stop, but too bad baseball has the worst commissioner in the history of sports.

LostOne287
12-06-2010, 03:07 PM
http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd321/34tmyl337/Misc/lol-u-mad.jpg

JTrain306
12-06-2010, 03:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/SlEMx.jpg

not sure why you'd want that choker, but whatever



edit: ^^^ LOL! LostOne, are you a wizard?

NYSackExchange
12-06-2010, 03:08 PM
Yankees keep the MLB in business, give me a break

cp3wfu
12-06-2010, 03:08 PM
lol so its ok up till your team no longer can keep up?

Masstastic
12-06-2010, 03:09 PM
Theres now a report out there that even if Texas goes to 6 years at around 25 per (6 years 150 million) the Yankees will offer a 32 year old pitcher 7 years at 175 million.

This needs to stop, but too bad baseball has the worst commissioner in the history of sports.

http://i.imgur.com/9dVTS.gif

Explain
12-06-2010, 03:10 PM
Im a Yankees fan and I hope they dont get him. u mat?

TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:10 PM
http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd321/34tmyl337/misc/lol-u-mad.jpg

61-101

GyM_RaT
12-06-2010, 03:10 PM
u mad OP the Yankees do what they do every year? Yeah u mad.

TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:12 PM
At this point, I want the Rangers to tell Lee to **** off, take the 2 draft picks, thank him for 2010, trade for zack greinke and sign carl crawford.

NYSackExchange
12-06-2010, 03:13 PM
lol op is mad. brb bumping every thread he made about Lee staying in Texas

LikeAMachine
12-06-2010, 03:13 PM
Baseball = do not care

LostOne287
12-06-2010, 03:13 PM
not sure why you'd want that choker, but whatever



edit: ^^^ LOL! LostOne, are you a wizard?

Lmao great minds think alike :D

Lugie
12-06-2010, 03:13 PM
U mad the marlins are better then the Yankees and spend 145 million less a year then u?

TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:13 PM
lol op is mad. brb bumping every thread he made about Lee staying in Texas

If we offer 6 years for 150 million, then Texas did everything to keep him, nothing to be ashamed of.

TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:14 PM
Baseball = do not care

you cared enough to open this thread, read it, and post.

RyzinEnagy
12-06-2010, 03:16 PM
If we offer 6 years for 150 million, then Texas did everything to keep him, nothing to be ashamed of.

No, you insisted that the Rangers would outbid the Yankees.

ZidaneValor
12-06-2010, 03:18 PM
There is more parity in MLB, which has no salary cap, than there is in NFL or NBA, which have a salary cap.

GetBigyo
12-06-2010, 03:20 PM
Im a Yankees fan and I hope they dont get him. u mat?

x2.

And TH, when you say a "report" can you please post the link?

TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:22 PM
x2.

And TH, when you say a "report" can you please post the link?

http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=31791


Has Texas Emerged as the Favorite for Lee?

By Mike Silva ~ December 6th, 2010. Filed under: New York Yankees, Rumor Mill.

Last night Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports said a sixth year would keep Cliff Lee in Texas. Today, Joe Delgrippo reported from Orlando the scuttlebutt is the Rangers and Lee have the parameters of the financials of a deal, but have not settled on the amount of years.
The more I hear about Cliff Lee the more I believe he is doing everything he can to stay in the Lone Star State. If a sixth year will get a deal done the Rangers should scramble to get him to sign on the dotted line.
Earlier today Frank Russo’s Tampa sources indicated the Yankees were prepared to go to a seventh year, if needed, to secure Lee in pinstripes.
Ultimately I think Lee will land a deal somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 to 7 years at about $25 million a year.
If I were Texas I would make my best offer (think 6/$150) and give him a hard deadline to accept.
One wrinkle into this negotiations could be the rumors that Andy Pettitte will retire. The Yankees need starting pitching and losing Pettitte would give them more incentive to overpay for Lee. Could it be possible in this crazy spending offseason we see Lee become the first $200 million dollar pitcher? Would they go 7 years $175 for Lee and blow Texas out of the water? Should be fun to find out.

GetBigyo
12-06-2010, 03:26 PM
7 years is ridiculous.

TheGoldenGoal87
12-06-2010, 03:28 PM
Baseball needs a salary cap.

PitBillSoxFan
12-06-2010, 03:30 PM
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!

OP you told me to "trust you" last night that the Yankees wouldn't go to 7 years?! I trusted you, wtf happened? You told me "even they have a line" and the fact they didn't pony up the prospects meant they won't go to 7 years.

I trusted you!

TexasHeat
12-06-2010, 03:34 PM
red red red!


what?

JTrain306
12-06-2010, 03:36 PM
what?
what?

PitBillSoxFan
12-06-2010, 03:37 PM
what?

Exactly.

You went on and on last night about how the Yankees would NEVER go 7 years.

Now you're crying that they may.

boohoooooooo

NYSackExchange
12-06-2010, 03:39 PM
what?

mcbizkit02
12-06-2010, 03:40 PM
At this point, I want the Rangers to tell Lee to **** off, take the 2 draft picks, thank him for 2010, trade for zack greinke and sign carl crawford.

this would be a better scenario

PitBillSoxFan
12-06-2010, 03:43 PM
Today's post by OP, who is quickly turning into the biggest maroon on the board:


Theres now a report out there that even if Texas goes to 6 years at around 25 per (6 years 150 million) the Yankees will offer a 32 year old pitcher 7 years at 175 million.

This needs to stop, but too bad baseball has the worst commissioner in the history of sports.

And last night:

How does it feel Yankee fans? Cliff Lee wants to stay in Texas. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


There is no way Yankees go 7 years.

I assume Lee's camp has gotten a 6 year offer from New York and a 5 year offer from Texas. Lee is saying that if the Rangers match New Yorks offer, he will return.


I agree 100%. Greenberg/Ryan is not gonna wanna set a precedent of not going a 6th year for Lee.


No man, even the Yankees have a limit on getting Cliff Lee. If they didn't, he would have been in New York this past July.


New York won't go 7 years.


They won't trust me. The Yankees have a line as well, and its at 6 years.


You're an idiot. Them not including the players Seattle wanted shows that they aren't desperate for Lee like you make them out to be. There is a line they won't cross, even for Cliff Lee.

HEY OP, YOU MORON:
The Yankees will easily go for 7 years for Lee. They now realize Burnett sucks, they don't know if Joba can be a reliable starter and Petittie will be retiring this year or next. Lee is one of the best pitchers in the game and they don't have the bullets for Greinke. If you think a total of 23M or so will prevent them from signing Lee you don't follow baseball.

/ownage

Pro_Shark
12-06-2010, 04:09 PM
ITT: OP finally realizes that no one can beat the Yankees in a bidding war.

evilsteve02
12-06-2010, 04:15 PM
Theres now a report out there that even if Texas goes to 6 years at around 25 per (6 years 150 million) the Yankees will offer a 32 year old pitcher 7 years at 175 million.

This needs to stop, but too bad baseball has the worst commissioner in the history of sports.

with his style of pitching...Lee could easily pitch into his 40's...why not match the 7th year? He will be capable of winning 12 games a season at that age, not to mention 25 million dollars in 7 years won't buy a utility infielder the way payrolls are jumping

LikeAMachine
12-06-2010, 04:41 PM
you cared enough to open this thread, read it, and post.

I agree with the title of the subject and it is exactly why I don't care.

brb_ballin
12-06-2010, 05:12 PM
There is more parity in MLB, which has no salary cap, than there is in NFL or NBA, which have a salary cap.



are you serious? do you even watch football this year?

lostinthesouthh
12-06-2010, 05:20 PM
If anything this is a test of loyalty.

WheyneNewton
12-06-2010, 05:21 PM
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sabonis224
12-06-2010, 05:25 PM
There is more parity in MLB, which has no salary cap, than there is in NFL or NBA, which have a salary cap.

woah woah woah woah... no way MLB has more parity then the NFL, whatre you crazy?

LostOne287
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
If anything this is a test of loyalty.

Loyalty? He was with Texas for what,4 months? Lmao.


He owes them nothing. He's been playing the mercenary role for 2 years now, he can do whatever the **** he wants.

JTrain306
12-06-2010, 05:34 PM
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Bigjay10.0
12-06-2010, 06:49 PM
O.P. YOUR ruining baseball.

ZidaneValor
12-06-2010, 07:03 PM
are you serious? do you even watch football this year?


woah woah woah woah... no way MLB has more parity then the NFL, whatre you crazy?

Besides the fact that 9 different teams have won the last 10 World Series, read these:


I just want to expand on this point a little more with statistics.

In the past 10 MLB playoffs (including 2010), only 5 teams have failed to make the playoffs in that span: Blue Jays, Nationals, Royals, Orioles, and Pirates. I would suggest that the Blue Jays are the only surprise on that list.

Only 3 more teams failed to make the playoffs in the last 5 years: Houston, Florida, and Seattle.

So 22 of 30 MLB teams have made the playoffs in the past 5 years. This is with only 26.7% of teams making the playoffs every year, which is the lowest in the 4 major sports (NFL: 37.5%, NBA/NHL: 53.3%) No team has made the playoffs all five years.



Here are a friend of mine's numbers comparing MLB to the NFL, which has a salary cap and supposed more "parity."

MLB
26.7% of teams make the playoffs
73.3% of teams have made the playoffs in the past five years
83.3% of teams have made the playoffs in the past ten years

NFL
37.5% of teams make the playoffs
81.3% of teams have made the playoffs in the past five years
90.6% of teams have made the playoffs in the past ten years

Those numbers are basically the same considering how many teams make the playoffs in each sport.

And in the NBA, which also has a salary cap and more than half the teams make the playoffs, 7 teams have shared 29 of the past 31 titles, and 5 teams share 25 of the past 31.

So a salary cap doesn't mean parity. There have been more "dynasties" lately in the NFL and NBA than MLB. Look at all the MLB teams that have won their first title in forever the past 10 years.


Since I debunked the playoffs myth already, let's work on the championships myth.

I've taken the last 45 title winners in MLB, NBA, and NFL. I chose 45 because it's a good sample size, and because there has been 45 Super Bowls.

Let's look at the number of teams that have won 3 or more titles of the past 45 (I excluded ABA titles and the 1994 MLB season.)

NBA
Los Angeles Lakers: 11
Boston Celtics: 9
Chicago Bulls: 6
San Antonio Spurs: 4
Detroit Pistons: 3

Of the past NBA NBA titles, 5 teams have won 33 of them (73.3%).

NFL
Pittsburgh Steelers: 6
Dallas Cowboys: 5
San Francisco 49ers: 5
Green Bay Packers: 3
New England Patriots: 3
New York Giants: 3
Oakland/LA Raiders 3
Washington Redskins: 3

Of the past 45 NFL titles, 8 teams have won 31 of them (68.9%).

MLB
New York Yankees: 7
Oakland Athletics: 4
Baltimore Orioles: 3
Cincinnati Reds: 3
Los Angeles Dodgers: 3
St. Louis Cardinals: 3

Of the past 45 MLB titles, 6 teams have won 23 of them (51.1%).

Look at that. Almost half the MLB titles won in the past 45 years are by teams that have 2 or less. That's not even close to the NFL or NBA. More teams win titles in MLB than the other Big-2 sports.

And this key article.

Forbes: Salary caps help make rich owners richer, poor poorer (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/02/forbes-salary-caps-help-make-rich-owners-richer-poor-poorer/)


As we watch NBA owners and the Players Association play a game of chicken with our favorite sport, here comes a very interesting article out of Forbes (via Hardball Talk).

Part of that CBA debate will be about the salary cap — keep the soft cap with exceptions that exists now or move to a more NHL/NFL style hard cap. Some owners favor the hard cap as a way to control costs.

But smaller market owners hurt themselves with a cap and the current revenue sharing system, says Matt Ozanian of Forbes (who writes about all league finances for the magazine).

Tying team payrolls to league-wide revenue (currently about 50% of total revenue goes towards player compensation and benefits in each of four leagues) has served to make high-revenue teams enormously profitable and low-revenue teams unprofitable, or marginally so, relative to their rivals. The growing distortion in profitability has resulted in a bigger gap in team values…

The NBA had total operating income of $234 million during the 2008-09 season (our 2010 valuations and profits will be published in February). But three teams (Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago Bulls, Detroit Pistons) accounted for 64% of the league’s profits and 12 teams lost money. So billionaire Michael Ilitch is reportedly pondering buying the Pistons for some $400 million while Michael Jordan snapped up the money-losing Charlotte Bobcats for just $175 million in March.

The conventional wisdom is that salary caps benefit poorer teams. But in reality they benefit richer teams more. The owners know this, of course. Which is why the real bare knuckles fighting in the current collective bargaining negotiations in these three sports is among owners.

As we have said before, if you’re serious about bringing more parity to the NBA — and we’re not sure that you really can in basketball where one player can so dominate the course of a game, nor are we convinced that parity is good for the NBA in the way it has been for the NFL — than the real issue is revenue sharing by the owners. David Stern has said the owners are seriously discussing it and that “more robust” revenue sharing is on a parallel track with the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

But if it is on a true parallel track, then those discussions are stalled because of disagreements about how and how much money should be shared. A parallel track would mean they are talking but nowhere near a consensus.

Still, the thought of a bunch of very rich Republican owners in a room crying out for a more socialist system always amuses me.

sejoon!
12-06-2010, 07:16 PM
why isnt OP posting anymore after the one dude quoted all his retard ass posts from the night before? LOL

chlaxman
12-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Is it against MLB rules for other teams to offer a 7th year to Lee?

PitBillSoxFan
12-06-2010, 08:32 PM
why isnt OP posting anymore after the one dude quoted all his retard ass posts from the night before? LOL

because he's a moron and was owned?

HumptyBrah
12-06-2010, 08:35 PM
Theres now a report out there that even if Texas goes to 6 years at around 25 per (6 years 150 million) the Yankees will offer a 32 year old pitcher 7 years at 175 million.

This needs to stop, but too bad baseball has the worst commissioner in the history of sports.
http://wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/3d5fa2e24b9af56911aa9d44231944a7-getty-104774363tl032_san_francisc.jpg

sup OP

PitBillSoxFan
12-07-2010, 05:19 AM
cliffs:

-OP whines and cries about the Yankees maybe outbidding the Gayngers
-I call out OP for his stupid posts night before
-OP hides

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/1262055260350.jpg

mchoodie
12-07-2010, 05:29 AM
This is part of the reason I don't care for baseball. A majority of teams get to watch many prospects bust, and then when they really get a keeper they only have him for a few years before he is property of the yankees or red sox.

TexasHeat
12-07-2010, 07:10 AM
why isnt OP posting anymore after the one dude quoted all his retard ass posts from the night before? LOL

I realized that hes the alias of the banned NDame616 and I don't argue with that moron.

PitBillSoxFan
12-07-2010, 07:23 AM
I realized that hes the alias of the banned NDame616 and I don't argue with that moron.

1) Not banned, just changed SNs
2) You've spent hours upon hours getting owned (AKA "arguing") by me
3) You still won't address how stupid you look

brb going on and on about how the Yankees will never go 7 years with Lee, then crying the next day about how they might go 7 years with Lee

You make annogirl look smart.

PitBillSoxFan
12-07-2010, 07:25 AM
This is part of the reason I don't care for baseball. A majority of teams get to watch many prospects bust, and then when they really get a keeper they only have him for a few years before he is property of the yankees or red sox.

Yea, it never happens the other way around:

http://baseballengineer.com/wp-content/media/2010/07/Hanley_Ramirez.jpg

TexasHeat
12-07-2010, 07:26 AM
1) Not banned, just changed SNs
2) You've spent hours upon hours getting owned (AKA "arguing") by me
3) You still won't address how stupid you look

brb going on and on about how the Yankees will never go 7 years with Lee, then crying the next day about how they might go 7 years with Lee

You make annogirl look smart.

We heard yesterday that the market for Cliff Lee was beginning to heat up, and that at least one team would be willing to offer Lee a seven-year deal, but it wasn't the Yankees. Here's today's Lee rumors for your reading pleasure:

Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes that the Yankees have vowed not to exceed six years or the $161MM that they gave Sabathia for Lee. GM Brian Cashman said yesterday that he knows what he is willing to do and knows what he is not willing to do. Sherman feels the Yankees will top out at $144MM-$150MM over six years. As Cashman said, Sabathia's presence as an ace makes Lee a "pleasant addition," but not a necessity.
SI's Jon Heyman reiterates (Twitter link) that the Yankees will offer Lee a six-year deal, but not seven, as he's four years older than C.C. Sabathia was when they signed him two years ago.

Seven years is a "dealbreaker" for the Yankees, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, who suggests the team would offer six years (Twitter link). Newsday's Ken Davidoff says the Yankees will likely offer a six-year deal.
The Yankees don't plan to offer Lee a seven-year deal, according to Rosenthal (on Twitter).

/thread

also, suck my cock ***got.

PitBillSoxFan
12-07-2010, 07:36 AM
I'M A FUGGIN MORON /thread

also, suck my cock ***got.

OK, is this SERIOUSLY your first off season following baseball? I get it, as a Rangers fan you've never had the need to see what was going on because you've made the playoffs like once in your lifetime.

What the hell do you expect these "leaked" reports to say? "I've been told by top ranking Yankee officials that they will do whatever it takes to get Cliff Lee, even if that means going to a 9-year, 30M contract" No you idiot. These "reports" are "leaked" on purpose.

I can't believe the sh!t you believe. Seriously.

In case you didn't know:
-the Yankees won't go higher than $15M per year for Jeter
-ARod is staying on the Rangers and being the captain
-the Yankees won't ever talk to ARod again if he opts out of his contract
-CC Fatbathia realy wants to pitch in ANA
-Scott Boras WILL get $10M a year for Varitek in 2008
-If the Red Sox don't offer DiceK a $100M contract, he will go back to Japan
-Cliff Lee REALLY wants to stay in Texas

The more you talk, the dumber you look.

brb going by "leaked reports" for guaranteed information. GMs use the media to get out information they wat you to get out. Cashman talks to his secretary to call Sherman as his "reliable source" to tell him the Yankees won't offer more than 6 years so 100M people see that in the paper.

/owned

lsiberian
12-07-2010, 07:36 AM
Give it a rest man. Lee is a great pitcher, but he's not the only fish in the sea and he's definitely shown some downside. I think signing him for so much money would be a bad move for the organization. I hope the Yankees get him and the Rangers get a younger ace.

Yankees are baseball though. They make the playoffs worth watching most years. I'm a Ranger fan, but I'm not kidding myself. We need the Yankees so we have someone to hate.

TexasHeat
12-07-2010, 07:49 AM
Give it a rest man. Lee is a great pitcher, but he's not the only fish in the sea and he's definitely shown some downside. I think signing him for so much money would be a bad move for the organization. I hope the Yankees get him and the Rangers get a younger ace.

Yankees are baseball though. They make the playoffs worth watching most years. I'm a Ranger fan, but I'm not kidding myself. We need the Yankees so we have someone to hate.

I hate the Angels, thats enough.

TexasHeat
12-07-2010, 07:52 AM
OK, is this SERIOUSLY your first off season following baseball? I get it, as a Rangers fan you've never had the need to see what was going on because you've made the playoffs like once in your lifetime.

What the hell do you expect these "leaked" reports to say? "I've been told by top ranking Yankee officials that they will do whatever it takes to get Cliff Lee, even if that means going to a 9-year, 30M contract" No you idiot. These "reports" are "leaked" on purpose.

I can't believe the sh!t you believe. Seriously.

In case you didn't know:
-the Yankees won't go higher than $15M per year for Jeter
-ARod is staying on the Rangers and being the captain
-the Yankees won't ever talk to ARod again if he opts out of his contract
-CC Fatbathia realy wants to pitch in ANA
-Scott Boras WILL get $10M a year for Varitek in 2008
-If the Red Sox don't offer DiceK a $100M contract, he will go back to Japan
-Cliff Lee REALLY wants to stay in Texas

The more you talk, the dumber you look.

brb going by "leaked reports" for guaranteed information. GMs use the media to get out information they wat you to get out. Cashman talks to his secretary to call Sherman as his "reliable source" to tell him the Yankees won't offer more than 6 years so 100M people see that in the paper.

/owned

The debate is if the Yankees will offer him 7 years, which they won't.

/thread

PitBillSoxFan
12-07-2010, 07:54 AM
The debate is if the Yankees will offer him 7 years, which they won't.

/thread

In reality, you have no fuggin clue, and you're basing this on a leaked media report. So...you have no idea what you're talking about.

lsiberian
12-07-2010, 07:57 AM
I hate the Angels, thats enough.

LOL are you srs? Who can hate the Angels? They probably can't compete with a Nolan owned team anyway. You do realize Nolan has like a billion pitchers in the farm system he's developing. This dude loves pitchers and there will be no lack of pitchers for this team. The Yankees have only a single World Series since the dynasty team left.

TexasHeat
12-07-2010, 08:06 AM
LOL are you srs? Who can hate the Angels? They probably can't compete with a Nolan owned team anyway. You do realize Nolan has like a billion pitchers in the farm system he's developing. This dude loves pitchers and there will be no lack of pitchers for this team. The Yankees have only a single World Series since the dynasty team left.

The Angels wanted to push their payroll to 135 million this offseason... they can compete trust me.

And, the Rangers started collecting pitchers and trying to develop within well before Nolan ever came on board.

lsiberian
12-07-2010, 08:10 AM
The Angels wanted to push their payroll to 135 million this offseason... they can compete trust me.

And, the Rangers started collecting pitchers and trying to develop within well before Nolan ever came on board.

They failed before Nolan came on board. Hence the reason they've never had pitching before. Nolan has transformed their pitching.

TexasHeat
12-07-2010, 08:12 AM
They failed before Nolan came on board. Hence the reason they've never had pitching before. Nolan has transformed their pitching.

No they didn't fail, it just takes time. Nolan came into it, and he has helped no doubt, but its not all because of him..... more credit needs to go to Jon Daniels than Nolan.

yanksbgood
12-07-2010, 08:17 AM
The OP is a huge homer and is getting pissed texas is getting outbid because texas will go back to sucking without lee and he knows it.

And dont talk about the yankees, the yankees, the yankees. The F*ckin nationals just gave werth a huge deal. The nats! Dont cry because youre losing this bidding war. Lee is a mercenery anyway. All you texas fans saying he loves texas, he wants to stay...etc. We will see, but my guess is he follows the money. Theres nothing lee wants more than greens.

mchoodie
12-07-2010, 08:20 AM
Yea, it never happens the other way around:

http://baseballengineer.com/wp-content/media/2010/07/Hanley_Ramirez.jpg

??? The Marlins didn't outspend the Red Sox to steal Hanley from them, they aquired him as a prospect in the trade for Beckett and Lowell. I didn't say that they never get a decent prospect in return.

thegenerel
12-07-2010, 08:54 AM
There is more parity in MLB, which has no salary cap, than there is in NFL or NBA, which have a salary cap.

world series championships does not define parity.

overall winning percentage is a far more accurate assessment.

ZidaneValor
12-07-2010, 08:59 AM
world series championships does not define parity.

overall winning percentage is a far more accurate assessment.

Read Post #40.

PitBillSoxFan
12-07-2010, 08:59 AM
??? The Marlins didn't outspend the Red Sox to steal Hanley from them, they aquired him as a prospect in the trade for Beckett and Lowell. I didn't say that they never get a decent prospect in return.

Yes the Marlins developed Beckett, rode him to a WS win and overpaid for Lowell. When the time came for them to have to extend either, they traded them for the best player in the game.

Small market teams need big spending teams like the Red Sox and Yankees to "rent" players for 3 months or a year and if done correctly you can really change your organization in a move or two and drafting well.

thegenerel
12-07-2010, 09:22 AM
Read Post #40.

good stuff. i would like to see a scatterplot of wins vs salary for the past 5-10 years and if a correlation between spending and winning exists.