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wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 01:22 PM
Elvis Andrus: 55 runs scored ( best leadoff hitter in baseball )

Alex Gonzalez: 44 Runs scored ( six hitter )

congrats on being a leadoff hitter and having a high on base percentage and scoring 11 more times. hahahahaahha ***got

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:23 PM
Elvis Andrus was hitting 9th for the first month of the season.

Thanks for proving my point that you are truely a dumbass about baseball.

brb my obp is .300, not my batting avergae, my on base percentage.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:25 PM
Andrus extra base hits: 10 (despite playing in one of the most hitter friendly ball parks in baseball)

A-Gon HRs: 15


lulz

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:26 PM
Andrus batted 9th for half the season. Not only does elvis s hit on Gonzalez with his speed, OBP, Hits and runs. He also has the best glove at shortstop in both leagues.

Straight up if youre hitting .260 you dont belong in the all star game.

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:26 PM
Andrus extra base hits: 10 (despite playing in one of the most hitter friendly ball parks in baseball)

A-Gon HRs: 15


lulz

Alex gonzalez obp .300

LULZ

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 01:27 PM
Elvis Andrus was hitting 9th for the first month of the season.

Thanks for proving my point that you are truely a dumbass about baseball.

thanks for completely ignoring the argument...

9th hitter is second leadoff which you probably don't understand cause you've never played ball. since your at the top of lineup if you get on base anyways....

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:28 PM
thanks for completely ignoring the argument...

9th hitter is second leadoff which you probably don't understand cause you've never played ball. since your at the top of lineup if you get on base anyways....

http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm.jpg

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:29 PM
Andrus batted 9th for half the season. Not only does elvis s hit on Gonzalez with his speed, OBP, Hits and runs. He also has the best glove at shortstop in both leagues.

Straight up if youre hitting .260 you dont belong in the all star game.

What?

Hes batted 9th for 31 at bats this year.
Hes batted 1st for 268 at bats this year.


You are an idiot.

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:30 PM
What?

Hes batted 9th for 31 at bats this year.
Hes batted 1st for 268 at bats this year.


You are an idiot.

You want someone with a .300 obp in the all star game.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 01:30 PM
What?

Hes batted 9th for 31 at bats this year.
Hes batted 1st for 268 at bats this year.


You are an idiot.

**** just got real...

9th hitter for less than 10 games HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:32 PM
What?

Hes batted 9th for 31 at bats this year.
Hes batted 1st for 268 at bats this year.


You are an idiot.

Coming from you it means alot :)

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:32 PM
You want someone with a .300 obp in the all star game.

You want someone with 10 extra base hits (despite the fact that he has above average speed, despite the fact that he plays in one of the most hitter friendly ball parks in the league) in the all star game.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 01:32 PM
being on base only matters if you score... and we just proved you've scored 11 more times as a leadoff hitter congrats.... whats a good site i bet you gonzalez is involved in more runs almost guarantee actually

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:33 PM
.300 obp

.260 BA

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:33 PM
You want someone with 10 extra base hits (despite the fact that he has above average speed, despite the fact that he plays in one of the most hitter friendly ball parks in the league) in the all star game.

Yep.

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:35 PM
.300 obp

.260 BA

They are both trolling us, I am done talking with people that think someone with a .300 obp deserves to be an all star.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:36 PM
Andrus:
.292
8 doubles (lmao)
0 HR (lmao)
25 RBI (lmao)
.332 SLG (lmao)
.708 OPS (lmao)


A-Gonz:

.262
22 doubles
15 HR
42 RBI
.490 SLG
.792 OPS

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:36 PM
Yep.

22 sb, one of the highest OBP in baseball, unreal glove and doing it for an actual first place team.

sups31
07-04-2010, 01:36 PM
Gardner is hitting .320, 53 runs scored, .401 OBP, 24 SB

u mad he's styling on every player mentioned in this thread???

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:38 PM
Andrus:
.292
8 doubles (lmao)
0 HR (lmao)
25 RBI (lmao)
.332 SLG (lmao)
.708 OPS (lmao)


A-Gonz:

.262
22 doubles
15 HR
42 RBI
.490 SLG
.792 OPS

There you go over valuing average power stats for a shortstop. Theres outfielders not making the team with better power stats.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:39 PM
There you go over valuing average power stats for a shortstop. Theres outfielders not making the team with better power stats.

Give me a short stop with better power numbers than that.



















O wait, those are the best power numbers for a SS this year!

lulz!

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:40 PM
Give me a short stop with better power numbers than that.



















O wait, those are the best power numbers for a SS this year!

lulz!

This should be easy

Hanley Ramirez

.503 slugging vs .488 slugging for Gonzalez

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:41 PM
Give me a short stop with better power numbers than that.



















O wait, those are the best power numbers for a SS this year!

lulz!

you realize its an actual line up being put out there. If you build a team you need a guy like Andrus with speed and a high OBP. You dont just put out power hitters at every position with .300 obp and a .260 average. Maybe thats why the Blue Jays cant compete.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:42 PM
This should be easy

Hanley Ramirez

.503 slugging vs .488 slugging for Gonzalez

Andrus SLG: .332


ROFL!

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:44 PM
Andrus SLG: .332


ROFL!

Alex Gonzalez slugging for May/June.... .420!

LULZ!

Brb hitting 4 homers in my first 7 games, then completely falling off.

brb slugging almost .700 in April and completely sucking since then.

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:45 PM
brb my obp in may was .273 LULZ

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:47 PM
Alex Gonzalez average with runners on base = .267, SCORING POSITION .302

Elvis Andrus with runners on base = .340, Scoring posistion .397



LULZ

Yes, Elvis is hitting almost .400 with runners in scoring posistion

ErikG803
07-04-2010, 01:48 PM
According to Fangraphs:

Andrus runs above replacement batting: -0.1
Gonzalez runs above replacement batting: 5.3

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:49 PM
Alex Gonzalez average with runners on base = .263

Elvis Andrus with runners on base = .340

LULZ

How about this one. Andrus average with RISP . .397 and an .990 OPS

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 01:53 PM
lol Gonzalez has 17 bb to 61 Ks which is abysmal

Andrus has almost a league leading ratio 39 bb to 56 Ks.

im afraid youre the idoit Queen.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 01:54 PM
How about this one. Andrus average with RISP . .397 and an .990 OPS

How about this one.


Alex Gonzalez Range factor = 4.65

Elvis Andrus range factor = 4.50

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 01:54 PM
How about this one. Andrus average with RISP . .397 and an .990 OPS

how about this one... 25 rbis 10 extra base hits

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:55 PM
lol Gonzalez has 17 bb to 61 Ks

Andrus has almost a league leading ratio 39 bb to 56 Ks.

yea but alex has 15 homers!!!!!!

and a measly 17 more rbi despite hitting for far more power and hitting in a much better rbi spot in 6th lol

They don't bring that up tho.

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 01:55 PM
how about this one... 25 rbis 55 runs scored

How about this one, only 17 more rbis despite hitting 15 more home runs and hitting 6th instead of leadoff.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 02:00 PM
How about this one, only 17 more rbis despite hitting 15 more home runs and hitting 6th instead of leadoff.

not his fault lind and hill are sucking ass...

55s runs scored with vladdy hamilton young kinsler and cruz

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:00 PM
not his fault lind and hill are sucking ass...

55s runs scored with vladdy hamilton young kinsler and cruz

brb making excuses

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 02:01 PM
how about this one... 25 rbis 10 extra base hits

you realize BA with RISP is the clutch stat and a .400 average is insane. I think that very well may be league leading.

Its a fact Andrus isnt a power hitter and he doesnt need to be. Theres plenty of power behind him.

You guys fail to realize power isnt everything especially for a short stop. I understand though, your team consists of about 6 guys batting .220 or below but they have 15 Hrs so its all good right?

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 02:02 PM
Andrus:
.292
8 doubles (lmao)
0 HR (lmao)
25 RBI (lmao)
.332 SLG (lmao)
.708 OPS (lmao)


LMFAO

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:03 PM
you realize BA with RISP is the clutch stat and a .400 average is insane. I think that very well may be league leading.

Its a fact Andrus isnt a power hitter and he doesnt need to be. Theres plenty of power behind him.

You guys fail to realize power isnt everything especially for a short stop. I understand though, your team consists of about 6 guys batting .220 or below but they have 15 Hrs so its all good right?

brb hitting .237 as a team

brb hitting 37 more home runs than Texas but scoring 43 runs less so far

brb our team is 9 david ortizes

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 02:04 PM
brb hitting .237 as a team

brb hitting 37 more home runs than Texas but scoring 43 runs less so far

brb our team is 9 david ortizes

brb two world series'

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:04 PM
Andrus:
.292
8 doubles (lmao)
0 HR (lmao)
25 RBI (lmao)
.332 SLG (lmao)
.708 OPS (lmao)


LMFAO

brb I put my stuff in bold and 10 inch headlines because I cant combat all these stats that are being thrown at me proving Andrus is the far superior player.

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:05 PM
brb two world series'

brb you were 3 and don't remember anything about them.

brb referring to two decades ago because my team sucks now. (trust me, i know the feeling, im a cowboys fan)

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 02:07 PM
brb two world series'

1993

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:10 PM
My negged message from wakeboy

alex gonzalez is having an amazing season i didnt say hes better than them you ****ing retard

brb having a .300 obp and calling that an amazing season

LULZ

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 02:11 PM
brb you were 3 and don't remember anything about them.

brb referring to two decades ago because my team sucks now. (trust me, i know the feeling, im a cowboys fan)

brb start talking about team stuff rather than the player vs player comparision...

are we forgetting that its a lot easier for a ss to be a leadoff hitter than a power hitter?

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:13 PM
brb start talking about team stuff rather than the player vs player comparision...

are we forgetting that its a lot easier for a ss to be a leadoff hitter than a power hitter?

brb it's easier being a leadoff hitter than a 6th place hitter

Keep brining the LULZ kid

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 02:15 PM
My negged message from wakeboy

alex gonzalez is having an amazing season i didnt say hes better than them you ****ing retard

brb having a .300 obp and calling that an amazing season

LULZ

we signed him as a ss with no offensive expectations... look at his previous year stats and hes playing well defensively and contributing extremely well offensively so please explain how thats a bad season

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 02:16 PM
brb it's easier being a leadoff hitter than a 6th place hitter

Keep brining the LULZ kid

didnt say 6 i said power dumbass

how many slugging ss's are there? how many leadoff ss's are there?

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 02:16 PM
we signed him as a ss with no offensive expectations... look at his previous year stats and hes playing well defensively and contributing extremely well offensively so please explain how thats a bad season

hes having a decent year, thats all.

evilsteve02
07-04-2010, 02:21 PM
Andrus:
.292
8 doubles (lmao)
0 HR (lmao)
25 RBI (lmao)
.332 SLG (lmao)
.708 OPS (lmao)


A-Gonz:

.262
22 doubles
15 HR
42 RBI
.490 SLG
.792 OPS

i am not arguing one way or the other...but there is a difference between leading off and batting 6th..pitchers and hitters have different goals so, it is kind of stupid to even argue about this. If they both were leading off, i would think this is ligit...but they don't...so it really isn't.

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 02:24 PM
i am not arguing one way or the other...but there is a difference between leading off and batting 6th..pitchers and hitters have different goals so, it is kind of stupid to even argue about this. If they both were leading off, i would think this is ligit...but they don't...so it really isn't.

you are correct sir

Andrus is a completely different type of hitter and they fail to respect that. For the Rangers lineup he is doing what he is supposed to be and he has been outstanding for what they need him for. What he is doing is as good and IMO superior and alot more valuable to a low BA low OBP power hitting short stop. You want numbers like Gonzalez in your lineup go sign some washed up NL bench player and put him as your DH. Good luck finding a player like Andrus though.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 02:30 PM
you are correct sir

Andrus is a completely different type of hitter and they fail to respect that. For the Rangers lineup he is doing what he is supposed to be and he has been outstanding for what they need him for. What he is doing is as good and IMO superior and alot more valuable to a low BA low OBP power hitting short stop. You want numbers like Gonzalez in your lineup go sign some washed up NL bench player and put him as your DH. Good luck finding a player like Andrus though.

are you retarded? how does signing a bench player in the nl relate to a shortstop with having pretty good power numbers and is really good defensively at all?

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 03:11 PM
are you retarded? how does signing a bench player in the nl relate to a shortstop with having pretty good power numbers and is really good defensively at all?

I was talking offensively.

Gonzalez' numbers are dime a a dozen. Friggen Juan Uribe and Ty Wiggington are having just as good of a season lol.

Go find a player who bats close to .300 with an OBP at .375 and will steal 45 bags by the end of the season.

are you retarded?

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 03:17 PM
I was talking offensively.

Gonzalez' numbers are dime a a dozen. Friggen Juan Uribe is have just as good of a season lol.

Go find a player who bats close to .300 with an OBP at .375 and will steal 45 bags by the end of the season.

are you retarded?

Give me a SS that will end up with 44 doubles, 30 HR and 84 RBI at the end of the season?

Only Hanley and Troy can touch those power numbers.

melanimal_old
07-04-2010, 03:22 PM
Give me a SS that will end up with 44 doubles, 30 HR and 84 RBI at the end of the season?

Only Hanley and Troy can touch those power numbers.

yet he will still be batting about .250 and below .300 obp.

Hanley doesnt do that :(

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 04:46 PM
Give me a SS that will end up with 44 doubles, 30 HR and 84 RBI at the end of the season?

Only Hanley and Troy can touch those power numbers.

I will give you the the 20-205th best SS in baseball once you figure in his .250 average and .300 obp.

and stick your reps up your ass, negged.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 04:49 PM
I was talking offensively.

Gonzalez' numbers are dime a a dozen. Friggen Juan Uribe and Ty Wiggington are having just as good of a season lol.

Go find a player who bats close to .300 with an OBP at .375 and will steal 45 bags by the end of the season.

are you retarded?

stealing bases is for those who can't hit for extra bases....

brb gonzalez has as many doubles as andrus has steals....

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 04:52 PM
stealing bases is for those who can't hit for extra bases....

brb gonzalez has as many doubles as andrus has steals....

BRB grooving fastballs to Young, Kinsler and Guerrero because the pitcher and catcher are worried about me stealing 2nd base.

Never thought of it that way did you?

TMACDaddy
07-04-2010, 04:56 PM
I'll take Andrus over a lifetime .248 batting average and .298 OBP that Alex Gonzalez carries with him, he's 33 years old and has an average of 10 HR's a year, he's set to decline, he can't keep this pace the whole year, just won't happen.

As said in my other post.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 05:00 PM
I'll take Andrus over a lifetime .248 batting average and .298 OBP that Alex Gonzalez carries with him, he's 33 years old and has an average of 10 HR's a year, he's set to decline, he can't keep this pace the whole year, just won't happen.

As said in my other post.

Obviously you'd take Andrus for the future. The thread is debating whether he is having a better season so far than A-Gon is. And hes not.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 05:05 PM
BRB grooving fastballs to Young, Kinsler and Guerrero because the pitcher and catcher are worried about me stealing 2nd base.

Never thought of it that way did you?

you do realize i play baseball and got a letter from west virginia and i am a lead off hitter?

hes 22-32 in steals you can tell hes still got a lot to learn about base running....

TMACDaddy
07-04-2010, 05:05 PM
Thats my point, .298 OBP is pathetic, and for this season alone, I would still take Andrus, he has a .375 OBP and 22 SB's, so basically on 22 of his singles he has gotten to second base on his own. so factor that into it as well, and to only have 17 less RBI's than A-Gon when Andrus is a leadoff hitter and A-Gon is a #6 isn't bad. Andrus up to this point and for the rest of the season.

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 05:08 PM
Thats my point, .298 OBP is pathetic, and for this season alone, I would still take Andrus, he has a .375 OBP and 22 SB's, so basically on 22 of his singles he has gotten to second base on his own. so factor that into it as well, and to only have 17 less RBI's than A-Gon when Andrus is a leadoff hitter and A-Gon is a #6 isn't bad. Andrus up to this point and for the rest of the season.

A-Gon does not bat #6 anymore.

He has 142 at bats batting out of the 6 hole
He has 157 at bats batting in the 6th hole

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 05:12 PM
yeah but he was 6 and lower for the majority... he only got moved to the 2 spot what three series ago?

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 05:13 PM
.298 obp

lulz

KingCanuck
07-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Andrus: 10 extra base hits


lulz


is this real life?

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 05:17 PM
Andrus: 10 extra base hits


lulz


is this real life?

.375 obp

hitting .397 with .900 ops with runners in scoring position.

2nd best in getting on base behind only behind ichiro among leadoff hitters.

Yes this is real life, and in this life, Alex Gonzalez is a ****ty player, which is why he will be watching the all star game from his couch.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 05:22 PM
.375 obp

hitting .397 with .900 ops with runners in scoring position.

2nd best in getting on base behind only behind ichiro among leadoff hitters.

Yes this is real life, and in this life, Alex Gonzalez is a ****ty player, which is why he will be watching the all star game from his couch.

brb best lead off hitter in the league stealing bases at 68%

TexasHeat
07-04-2010, 05:24 PM
brb best lead off hitter in the league stealing bases at 68%

brb being a good leadoff man means getting on base, not being a good base stealer.

broboma2012
07-04-2010, 05:25 PM
brb two world series'

Haha. Desperation

MA5Bergey
07-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Gardner is hitting .320, 53 runs scored, .401 OBP, 24 SB

u mad he's styling on every player mentioned in this thread???

This man knows what he is talking about. (+ excellent defense + .836 OPS + 29 ribbies + 1 more hit than A-Gon in 55 less ABs + double A-Gon's amount of BBs + 20 less strike outs).

HRShoveNStuff
07-04-2010, 07:56 PM
Gonzalez has been better than Andrus, no doubt. While I admit OBP is more important than SLG, Gonzalez has outslugged Andrus to the point where he has been more valuable offensively (as determined by wOBA, not OPS---which is a sh*t stat stop using it miscers). Defensively, Gonzalez has been very good (+3.1 runs according to UZR, Andrus at +2.7). I'd expect Andrus to fare better defensively in the second half, but the OP's point is that Gonzalez has been better than Andrus this year, which is true.

With that said, I'd guess most GM's in baseball would take Andrus over Gonzalez for the rest of the season.

Greg1983
07-04-2010, 08:41 PM
Higher OPS in a less hitter friendly park FTW. Hell let's look at park-adjusted OPS+.

Gonzalez 114
Andrus 100

For the record, 100 is the baseline for average. Normal. Mediocre.

BMatt
07-04-2010, 09:29 PM
FINALLY!

A thread about Rickie Weeks.. the best leadoff hitter in the MLB

jacketfan
07-04-2010, 10:16 PM
andrus ops isnt even .700.... and he plays in one of the best hitters parks. he in no way shape or form derseved to be an allstar.

wakeboy21
07-04-2010, 10:20 PM
This man knows what he is talking about. (+ excellent defense + .836 OPS + 29 ribbies + 1 more hit than A-Gon in 55 less ABs + double A-Gon's amount of BBs + 20 less strike outs).

thread was comparing shortstops...

the debate started because texasheat started verbally sucking andrus' cawk and talking **** about a-gon

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 03:57 AM
ITT: Delusional Blue Jay fans

Your team sucks and is 4th place and WILL NEVER compete again with the Yanks and Red Sox...

Oh how that must burn

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 03:58 AM
And for the Record, there isnt a SS I would trade Andrus for, not even Hanley.

wakeboy21
07-05-2010, 07:22 AM
And for the Record, there isnt a SS I would trade Andrus for, not even Hanley.

this says it all right here...

how was dropping 30 repping points yesterday?

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 08:27 AM
this says it all right here...

how was dropping 30 repping points yesterday?

rep = meaningless

Greg1983
07-05-2010, 10:15 AM
ITT: Delusional Blue Jay fans

Your team sucks and is 4th place and WILL NEVER compete again with the Yanks and Red Sox...

Oh how that must burn

Translation: I've lost this argument so I'll just bash the Jays franchise. Even though they have a couple world series banners and my team never will.

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 11:52 AM
Translation: I've lost this argument so I'll just bash the Jays franchise. Even though they have a couple world series banners and my team never will.

Nope, that was towards that troll King Canuck. He admitted defeat back on page 1 or 2 when he bought up the two world series titles when he was like 3 years old.

You lose again.

Greg1983
07-05-2010, 12:04 PM
Nope, that was towards that troll King Canuck. He admitted defeat back on page 1 or 2 when he bought up the two world series titles when he was like 3 years old.

You lose again.

Oh you mean this exchange?


brb hitting .237 as a team

brb hitting 37 more home runs than Texas but scoring 43 runs less so far

brb our team is 9 david ortizes


brb two world series'

Who left topic?

Gonzalez > Andrus. OPS+ of 100 is the sign of an average offensive player. /thread

yott
07-05-2010, 12:09 PM
they both suck and need to gtfo

wsuwarrior
07-05-2010, 12:10 PM
FINALLY!

A thread about Rickie Weeks.. the best leadoff hitter in the MLB

This.

Most RBIs out of the leadoff spot with cleanup hitter power.

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 12:10 PM
Oh you mean this exchange?





Who left topic?

Gonzalez > Andrus. OPS+ of 100 is the sign of an average offensive player. /thread

Joe Girardi and the players disagree with you.

/thread (finally)

89FoxBody
07-05-2010, 12:15 PM
The best leadoff hitter in MLB if Joe Girardi had any sense:

http://faninterference.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/03yankees600.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/07/07/1215431279_2616/499w.jpg


.319 AVG .401 OBP .434 SLG .835 OPS, 5 HR 29 RBI

53 RS .805 BB/K 24 SB, 83% SB rate


4.55 P/PA = best in MLB

Lettuce be relish.

Greg1983
07-05-2010, 12:19 PM
Joe Girardi and the players disagree with you.

/thread (finally)

World Series titles (0) None
AL Pennants (0) None
West Division titles (3) 1999 1998 1996
Wild card berths (0) None

melanimal_old
07-05-2010, 12:19 PM
You guys do realize players like Andrus who dont hit for power are just as valuable. This is why his OPS is low because he is a slap hitter who gets on base and steals bags. His OBP is good and K/bb is outstanding as is his .400 avg with RISP

You guys are basically saying Ozzie Smith was worthless. Ozzies career average for HRs is 2 and his OPS is .666.

You didnt "win" an argument its 3 Blue Jay homers who are being delusional.

Greg1983
07-05-2010, 12:34 PM
You guys do realize players like Andrus who dont hit for power are just as valuable. This is why his OPS is low because he is a slap hitter who gets on base and steals bags. His OBP is good and K/bb is outstanding as is his .400 avg with RISP

You guys are basically saying Ozzie Smith was worthless. Ozzies career average for HRs is 2 and his OPS is .666.

You didnt "win" an argument its 3 Blue Jay homers who are being delusional.

OPS is on base plus slugging. Leadoff hitters can still be above average in that category. Even Ichiro has an OPS+ of 121. He's not an absolute pussy when it comes to extra base hits though.

And if you want to compare Ozzie to the true great leadoff hitter of his era (Rickey), it's not even close offensively. Rickey (before his 40s anyways) always had a ballin OPS.

melanimal_old
07-05-2010, 01:57 PM
OPS is on base plus slugging. Leadoff hitters can still be above average in that category. Even Ichiro has an OPS+ of 121. He's not an absolute pussy when it comes to extra base hits though.

And if you want to compare Ozzie to the true great leadoff hitter of his era (Rickey), it's not even close offensively. Rickey (before his 40s anyways) always had a ballin OPS.

Erm this has nothing to do with Rickey or Ichiro and both are completely different hitters than Andrus and are outfielders. Im comparing Ozzie to Andrus because theyre both shortstops with amazing gloves, slap hitters, who get on base and steal bags. Apparently to you BlueJay fan boys thats worthless.

and you obviously dont watch Mariners games if you think Ichiro is an absolute "pussy" when it comes to extra base hits.

89FoxBody
07-05-2010, 02:01 PM
Erm this has nothing to do with Rickey or Ichiro and both are completely different hitters than Andrus and are outfielders. Im comparing Ozzie to Andrus because theyre both shortstops with amazing gloves, slap hitters, who get on base and steal bags. Apparently to you BlueJay fan boys thats worthless.

and you obviously dont watch Mariners games if you think Ichiro is an absolute "pussy" when it comes to extra base hits.



He said Ichiro ISN'T, not that he is. Just sayin.

Greg1983
07-05-2010, 02:03 PM
Erm this has nothing to do with Rickey or Ichiro and both are completely different hitters than Andrus and are outfielders. Im comparing Ozzie to Andrus because theyre both shortstops with amazing gloves, slap hitters, who get on base and steal bags. Apparently to you BlueJay fan boys thats worthless.

And I'm bringing up other leadoff hitters in a thread titled "lmfao at best leadoff hitter in baseball". What's your point?



and you obviously dont watch Mariners games if you think Ichiro is an absolute "pussy" when it comes to extra base hits.

Strong reading comprehension.

melanimal_old
07-05-2010, 02:32 PM
And I'm bringing up other leadoff hitters in a thread titled "lmfao at best leadoff hitter in baseball". What's your point?



Strong reading comprehension.

This thread was started by a 14 year old to bash Andrus by calling him a ***got. I didnt bother reading his posts after that. So I apologize for the confusion.

Im talking about lead off hitting shortstops.

wakeboy21
07-05-2010, 02:36 PM
This thread was started by a 14 year old to bash Andrus by calling him a ***got.

Im talking about lead off hitting shortstops.

im not 14 you stupid ****...

this thread was a continuation of a previous thread when texas heat verbally started sucking andrus' dick when kc said gonzalez should have made the allstar game.

how about you actually watch a game for once you would realize gonzalez doesn't lead off and he was recently promoted to 2 spot after hitting 6th and lower for the majority of the year...

melanimal_old
07-05-2010, 02:38 PM
im not 14 you stupid ****...

this thread was a continuation of a previous thread when texas heat verbally started sucking andrus' dick when kc said gonzalez should have made the allstar game.

how about you actually watch a game for once you would realize gonzalez doesn't lead off and he was recently promoted to 2 spot after hitting 6th and lower for the majority of the year...

Im sorry about calling you 14, but you dont have an age specified and youve done nothing for me to think other wise. :(

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 02:39 PM
This thread was started by a 14 year old to bash Andrus by calling him a ***got. I didnt bother reading his posts after that. So I apologize for the confusion.

Im talking about lead off hitting shortstops.

The Blue Jays value and covet players who hit .230 with terrible OBP, which is why they lead the league in homers but they are not even close in runs scored.

That is the text book forumla for losing baseball, trust me, the Rangers used to live and die by the homerun, and it doesn't work.

Enjoy being in 3rd, 4th and 5th place for enternity.

wakeboy21
07-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Im sorry about calling you 14, but you dont have an age specified and youve done nothing for me to think other wise. :(

So then let me convert my speaking to douche bag for you.

How this thread started: KC makes thread about all-star teams. Of course he somehow relates it to how Gonzalez should have made it blah blah blah. Texasheat comes in starts talking **** about Gonzalez and how Andrus' has had a more much productive year and is the best leadoff hitter in baseball.

So i point out a couple things, how Andrus' has only scored 55 runs compared to Gonzalez's 44 and how Andrus' "the so called best leadoff hitter in baseball" is 22-32 in steals which translate to 68%.

Gonzalez leads shortstops in hr's and is second in rbi's only to Hanley Ramirez.

Sure his obp is low but imo he more than makes up for it with his ops.

For a guy only making 1/8th of what jeter is making this year his number's are superb...

melanimal_old
07-05-2010, 02:57 PM
So then let me convert my speaking to douche bag for you.

How this thread started: KC makes thread about all-star teams. Of course he somehow relates it to how Gonzalez should have made it blah blah blah. Texasheat comes in starts talking **** about Gonzalez and how Andrus' has had a more much productive year and is the best leadoff hitter in baseball.

So i point out a couple things, how Andrus' has only scored 55 runs compared to Gonzalez's 44 and how Andrus' "the so called best leadoff hitter in baseball" is 22-32 in steals which translate to 68%.

Gonzalez leads shortstops in hr's and is second in rbi's only to Hanley Ramirez.

Sure his obp is low but imo he more than makes up for it with his ops.

For a guy only making 1/8th of what jeter is making this year his number's are superb...

Well I dont condone Texasheats actions, but I do agree with him on Andrus being more deserving. Not on best lead off hitter in baseball though.

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 03:02 PM
Well I dont condone Texasheats actions, but I do agree with him on Andrus being more deserving. Not on best lead off hitter in baseball though.

He is trust me...

for a good part of the year his OBP was over .400 but he went through a slump of like 3-31 and it feel off, but he's trying to get back up there.

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Elvis Andrus: 55 runs scored ( best leadoff hitter in baseball )

Alex Gonzalez: 44 Runs scored ( six hitter )

congrats on being a leadoff hitter and having a high on base percentage and scoring 11 more times. hahahahaahha ***got

I find it funny you knock Andrus for "only" having 55 runs scored.

#1 he hasn't driven himself in 15 times like Alex Gonzalez

#2 He leads all leadoff hitters in runs scored despite hitting 9th for the first 2 weeks of the season

Keep it coming kid.

wakeboy21
07-05-2010, 03:16 PM
He is trust me...

for a good part of the year his OBP was over .400 but he went through a slump of like 3-31 and it feel off, but he's trying to get back up there.

you do realize everyone goes through slumps...

hasn't mastered base stealing 22-32 68%...

only 55 runs scored with young hamilton cruz and vladdy kinsler behind him...

please tell me how hes the best leadoff hitter in baseball...

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 03:17 PM
you do realize everyone goes through slumps...

hasn't mastered base stealing 22-32 68%...

only 55 runs scored with young hamilton cruz and vladdy kinsler behind him...

please tell me how hes the best leadoff hitter in baseball...

I just did

and for his career, he is a 78% base stealer.

55/71

wakeboy21
07-05-2010, 03:18 PM
I find it funny you knock Andrus for "only" having 55 runs scored.

#1 he hasn't driven himself in 15 times like Alex Gonzalez

#2 He leads all leadoff hitters in runs scored despite hitting 9th for the first 2 weeks of the season

Keep it coming kid.

two whole weeks wow...once again you do realize hitting 9 is second leadoff spot.. because the top of the order is right behind you...

its his fault he only has 10 yes i repeat 10 extra base hits the whole season...

TexasHeat
07-05-2010, 03:20 PM
two whole weeks wow...once again you do realize hitting 9 is second leadoff spot.. because the top of the order is right behind you...

its his fault he only has 10 yes i repeat 10 extra base hits the whole season...

His job isnt to get extra base hits, his job is to get on base and score runs.

#1 among leadoff hitters in runs scored

#2 among lead off hitters in OBP

Seems like hes doing just fine to me.

KingCanuck
07-11-2010, 01:53 PM
At Bats:
Andrus: 327
A-Gon: 328

.BAA:
Andrus: .281
A-Gon: 2.59
Advantage: Andrus

.OBP:
Andrus: .363
A-Gon: .296
Advantage: Andrus

.OPS
Andrus: .687
A-Gon: .793
Advantage: A-Gon

HR:
Andrus: 0
A-Gon: 17
Advantage: A-Gon

Total Extra Base Hits:
Andrus: 12
A-Gon: 43
Advantage: A-Gon

RBI:
Andrus: 25
A-Gon: 50
Advantage: A-Gon

Errors:
Andrus: 11
A-Gon: 11
Advantage: tie

Range Factor
Andrus: 4.56
A-Gon: 4.58
Advantage: A-Gon



A-Gon >>>>> Andrus

canuckathlete
07-11-2010, 02:16 PM
The Blue Jays value and covet players who hit .230 with terrible OBP, which is why they lead the league in homers but they are not even close in runs scored.


Serious?

The two worst hitting players on the Jays (Lind, Hill) were right around .300 last year.

Bautista and A-Gon are having career years in HR's.


How can you say they covet HR hitters when 2 of their top 3 HR hitters are having career years, and two of their more consistent hitters are doing terribly.

jd75
07-11-2010, 02:20 PM
ichiro is the best leadoff hitter in basball, its not even that close