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brighamw
01-25-2010, 04:54 PM
More details to come soon...

Maybe Obama heard the people after all?

(Does not include security programs, defense, etc...)

Guess the balls in Congress court now...

amtharin
01-25-2010, 04:59 PM
It would amount to $250 billion over the course of 10 years, so call it $75 billion.

meh... golf clap

brighamw
01-25-2010, 05:04 PM
It would amount to $250 billion over the course of 10 years, so call it $75 billion.

meh... golf clap

Trust me I'm not an 'Obama guy' by any means :)

But, it's a start. If he pulls to the center like Clinton did maybe things will just be bad the next 3 yrs. as opposed to the absolutely horrible path we are on now, lol...

amtharin
01-25-2010, 05:07 PM
Trust me I'm not an 'Obama guy' by any means :)

But, it's a start. If he pulls to the center like Clinton did maybe things will just be bad the next 3 yrs. as opposed to the absolutely horrible path we are on now, lol...


He is only doing it to gain back some of the support he lost, not because he thinks its the right thing to do.

brighamw
01-25-2010, 05:09 PM
He is only doing it to gain back some of the support he lost, not because he thinks its the right thing to do.

Agreed, but that's what politicians do, lol...

amtharin
01-25-2010, 05:14 PM
Agreed, but that's what politicians do, lol...

Trust is easy to lose and hard to gain back. I didn't vote for him, but was willing to give him a shot. He killed that immediately with the "stimulus package" which I think is on of the worse pieces of legislation ever. He's going to have to show a lot more than $75 billion over 3 years to gain my trust back.

nutsy54
01-25-2010, 06:25 PM
Is he delusional enough to actually think people are still blindly falling for this crap?

He titled his 2010 Budget Proposal "A New Era of Fiscal Responsibility", yet this administration has been responsible for a $1.7 TRILLION increase in the national debt (16%), just since President Obama took office a year ago. With a hell of a lot more planned, as yet another increase to the debt ceiling (this time, by a whopping $1.9 TRILLION) makes its way through Congress).

Mr. President, let's make this simple: We'll believe your words, when your actions finally match the story you've been telling us for years.


The cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and states of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. ... If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we'd see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.-- Barack Obama, Speech in the U.S. Senate, March 13, 2006

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf


He's racking up over $1,500 Billion a year in deficits and new debt - but pretends that $15 Billion in "savings" is supposed to matter, and somehow prove that now he's serious? :rolleyes:

T150
01-25-2010, 06:40 PM
lol, the deficit was going through the roof no matter who got elected in 08, primarily (not exclusively) due to the ressession alone.

Fuegoman
01-25-2010, 06:42 PM
1937 pt. deux.

Geno
01-25-2010, 06:45 PM
It's really funny that a freeze actually means a growth in public spending in the double digit percentage range. Those are built in to the budget - a freeze just means no new spending while government spending keeps on growing.

Nothing against Obama. Just the facts.

nutsy54
01-25-2010, 06:49 PM
lol, the deficit was going through the roof no matter who got elected in 08, primarily (not exclusively) due to the ressession alone.His endless spending promises on the campaign trail were never sustainable - long before the Economy became a convenient scapegoat.

And then - Spending the other half of TARP didn't help...
Signing a $787 Billion spending bill didn't help...
Signing every other spending bill he's seen, all of which have been chock-full of earmarks & pork & increased Federal spending didn't help...

His signature, His responsibility - all with the full support of Congress who's been spending money like crazy ever since Pelosi & Reid gained control three years ago. No matter how badly we want to pretend or imagine what someone else woulda/coulda/shoulda done, the current results are what they have actually done.

And now we're just getting more of the same: Empty words about promising to Change it all in the future. Really. Honest. This time he means it. :rolleyes:

Like I posted above: I'll wait until his Actions actually reflect the Words he's been saying for 4+ years.

reyalp
01-25-2010, 07:04 PM
a blast from the past:

a spending freeze on everything except defense? is mccain senile???

lol
this spending freeze is insane. Obviously the party is too stuck on Reagan. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/08/brooks-gop-spending-freez_n_172838.html)

amtharin
01-25-2010, 07:17 PM
So much for Kensington economics..

War Machine
01-25-2010, 07:18 PM
Funny how he decides this after spending more in one year than Bush did in eight.

nutsy54
01-25-2010, 07:24 PM
Funny how he decides this after spending more in one year than Bush did in eight.Next year.... We'll address this Next year... Honest.

reyalp
01-25-2010, 07:46 PM
Must be his New Year's resolution. Like everyone else, he'll do ok for about 2 weeks and then give up.

letsnotbl
01-25-2010, 07:57 PM
His endless spending promises on the campaign trail were never sustainable - long before the Economy became a convenient scapegoat.

And then - Spending the other half of TARP didn't help...
Signing a $787 Billion spending bill didn't help...
Signing every other spending bill he's seen, all of which have been chock-full of earmarks & pork & increased Federal spending didn't help...


You don't mention Bush's Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 and the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 which combined cost $852 Billion. Not to mention Bush implemented TARP, using the first $250 Billion. (yes Obama shouldn't have spent the other half, but there's lots that didn't need to happen in the past year)

So in conclusion both Bush and Obama have spent billions, way too much, on these "stimulus" packages.

As for the pork barrel spending comment, each side of the aisle does it. see below link for some quite humorous earmark items over the years

http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005

that's one of the many reasons why i dislike both parties.

Oh and most politicians make campaign promises that, surprise!, they dont follow thru on.

Not attacking you here, just your post, which in all fairness only blames half of those needed to be blamed.

48Volts
01-25-2010, 08:16 PM
I like how the spending freeze does not include foreign aid but focuses on domestic spending.

Inev
01-25-2010, 08:23 PM
I like how the spending freeze does not include foreign aid but focuses on domestic spending.

honestly . . . foreign aid is the least of our worries when considering the budget.


I really wouldn't mind if the froze all spending except foreign aid. Simply because there are SOOO many people so much worse off than us. That money can help them a lot. Seems like if we spend it here it just gets wasted.

reyalp
01-25-2010, 08:23 PM
You don't mention Bush's Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 and the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 which combined cost $852 Billion. Not to mention Bush implemented TARP, using the first $250 Billion. (yes Obama shouldn't have spent the other half, but there's lots that didn't need to happen in the past year)
So in conclusion both Bush and Obama have spent billions, way too much, on these "stimulus" packages.
As for the pork barrel spending comment, each side of the aisle does it. see below link for some quite humorous earmark items over the years
http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005
that's one of the many reasons why i dislike both parties.
Oh and most politicians make campaign promises that, surprise!, they dont follow thru on.
Not attacking you here, just your post, which in all fairness only blames half of those needed to be blamed.

I know you're new to the R/P, but nutsy railed on GWB during his presidency, too.

Hagakure24
01-25-2010, 08:26 PM
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I'm calling bull**** on this one until a link is provided.


I read Rep. Bayh talking about it, but he said it wasn't certain (was discussing it would be in the State of the Union address).


It's like adding a single stitch to a giant shark bite on your leg.

Fuegoman
01-25-2010, 08:29 PM
Funny how he decides this after spending more in one year than Bush did in eight.

source please?

nutsy54
01-25-2010, 08:29 PM
You don't mention Bush's Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 and the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 which combined cost $852 Billion. Not to mention Bush implemented TARP, using the first $250 Billion. (yes Obama shouldn't have spent the other half, but there's lots that didn't need to happen in the past year)

So in conclusion both Bush and Obama have spent billions, way too much, on these "stimulus" packages.I clearly and loudly opposed Bush's "Stimulus" spending when he was President. But since this is a thread about President Obama, and his non-stop lies about "Fiscal Responsibility", there was no need to detail what any prior President had done - other than pointing out one more category where Change has failed to materialize. (PS: In addition to spending the second half of TARP as President, let's not forget that Senator Obama was also one of the "Yes" votes that ensured its passage).

My point remains: He has endlessly said one thing, then done the exact opposite where the topic of spending, deficits, and debt is concerned.

Ebola_Virus
01-25-2010, 08:29 PM
honestly . . . foreign aid is the least of our worries when considering the budget.


I really wouldn't mind if the froze all spending except foreign aid. Simply because there are SOOO many people so much worse off than us. That money can help them a lot. Seems like if we spend it here it just gets wasted.

Please tell me you aren't serious, and would like to rethink your last statement.

MrGuitar
01-25-2010, 08:29 PM
So much for Kensington economics..

not sure if serious

nutsy54
01-25-2010, 08:34 PM
I'm calling bull**** on this one until a link is provided.http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/25/obama.spending.freeze/index.html?hpt=T2

PS: As noted above, I'm also calling bull**** on this, until we actually see some signatures on legislation :p

Hagakure24
01-25-2010, 08:43 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/25/obama.spending.freeze/index.html?hpt=T2

PS: As noted above, I'm also calling bull**** on this, until we actually see some signatures on legislation :p

BTW
























he's moving to the center ;)

ElMariachi
01-25-2010, 11:47 PM
LULZ. This is as much a gimmick as McCain's postponing his campaign to attend to the economy was.


If you look around the web, the far left folks are irate, and for folks on the right, this just seems to be a desperate maneuver that doesn't touch the majority of actual government spending and only maintains it at current levels which are already excessively high.


He's not going to rally the right to his side, and he's managing to piss off the left as well. Good job Obama man!



"The problem with a spending freeze is you're using a hatchet where you need a scalpel. There are some programs that are very important that are underfunded," Obama says in his first debate against Republican candidate John McCain, who was pushing a spending freeze.

"That is an example of an unfair burden sharing," Obama says of McCain's proposal in the second debate. "That's using a hatchet to cut the federal budget. I want to use a scalpel so that people who need help are getting help and those of us like myself and Senator McCain who don't need help aren't getting it. That is how we make sure that everybody is willing to make a few sacrifices."

"It sounds good," Obama says of the proposal during the third debate. "It is proposed periodically. It doesn't happen. And in fact an across-the-board spending freeze is a hatchet and we do need a scalpel because there are some programs that don't work at all. There are some programs that are underfunded and I want to make sure that we are focused on those programs that work."

Blindead
01-26-2010, 12:01 AM
So much for Kensington economics..

http://jordanwoll.com/caphits/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/facepalm.jpg

ElMariachi
01-26-2010, 12:35 AM
http://riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/img249.jpg

http://feedyouradhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ObamaVisitsElementarySchoolG1xCklrdIOfl.jpg


http://chicksontheright.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/urinal-teleprompter.jpg

War Machine
01-26-2010, 02:51 AM
source please?

CBO projections as reported by the Washington Post

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

BlueBayou
01-26-2010, 03:21 AM
Is he delusional enough to actually think people are still blindly falling for this crap?

He titled his 2010 Budget Proposal "A New Era of Fiscal Responsibility", yet this administration has been responsible for a $1.7 TRILLION increase in the national debt (16%), just since President Obama took office a year ago. With a hell of a lot more planned, as yet another increase to the debt ceiling (this time, by a whopping $1.9 TRILLION) makes its way through Congress).

Mr. President, let's make this simple: We'll believe your words, when your actions finally match the story you've been telling us for years.

-- Barack Obama, Speech in the U.S. Senate, March 13, 2006

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf


He's racking up over $1,500 Billion a year in deficits and new debt - but pretends that $15 Billion in "savings" is supposed to matter, and somehow prove that now he's serious? :rolleyes:

So in other words we should vote Republican next time! right? maybe? Will that help things?

reyalp
01-26-2010, 05:06 AM
So in other words we should vote Republican next time! right? maybe? Will that help things?

We should vote Alex Jones. Right? Is that the answer you were looking for?

ETA: got negged by the CT dunce for my post, so I negged him back with this:
swing low, sweet alex jones' nuts. coming for to carry me home. swing low, sweet alex jones' nuts. coming for to carry me home. i looked over chemtrails what do i see? coming for to carry me home? alex jones' nuts staring at me. coming for to carry me home.

amtharin
01-26-2010, 06:42 AM
not sure if serious


Yes, serious. Keep spending money if it is such a good thing.

Kaiulani
01-26-2010, 07:23 AM
We should vote Alex Jones. Right? Is that the answer you were looking for?
He wasn't looking for an answer, he was kicking him and anyone else in the f*cking teeth with the reality that it makes no difference who the president is. Anyone with 2 brain cells working knows this. The "ballot box" has been 100% meaningless for quite some time now.


ETA: got negged by the CT dunce for my post, so I negged him back with this:
Nobody gives a fly*ng f*ck what you negged someone back with. Keep wasting your life with your COINTELPRO-esque operations (such as egging people on to March on DC, when DC doesn't run a damned thing), and you are against peaceful protest because you want the people that you label "whack jobs" to get arrested and put in prison. You don't give a damned about freedom. If you did, you would acknowledge the multitude of real threats to it--instead you pretend they don't exist, which is why I can accurately say what I just said.

Stizzel
01-26-2010, 07:35 AM
Don't worry guise! Obama loves us and will pay for his social programs with money saved from pulling out of evil Bu$h's wasteful foreign adventures!

The people > wallstreet! The people > war! Obama 2008 brahs, yes we can! :) :) :)

wait wut

edible_eye
01-26-2010, 07:36 AM
More details to come soon...

Maybe Obama heard the people after all?

(Does not include security programs, defense, etc...)

Guess the balls in Congress court now...

"The White House is projecting $250 billion saved over ten years. My understanding is that our projected accumulated debt over that time is close to $9 trillion." -http://business.theatlantic.com/2010/01/how_will_obamas_spending_freeze_play_in_washington .php

- sigh -

Can anyone please tell me how he'll be accountable for his "pledge" 10 years from now?

Anyone?

And how 250 billion means anything when compared against 9 trillion additional debt over that same period?

Can anyone here even grasp the enormity of those numbers? Or do they just fall on some area of numbness inside due to an inability to relate?

Smoke and mirrors.

And not very good smoke and mirrors at that.

reyalp
01-26-2010, 08:34 AM
He wasn't looking for an answer, he was kicking him and anyone else in the f*cking teeth with the reality that it makes no difference who the president is. Anyone with 2 brain cells working knows this. The "ballot box" has been 100% meaningless for quite some time now.
You work for the government, your opinion is invalid.



Nobody gives a fly*ng f*ck what you negged someone back with. Keep wasting your life with your COINTELPRO-esque operations (such as egging people on to March on DC, when DC doesn't run a damned thing), and you are against peaceful protest because you want the people that you label "whack jobs" to get arrested and put in prison. You don't give a damned about freedom. If you did, you would acknowledge the multitude of real threats to it--instead you pretend they don't exist, which is why I can accurately say what I just said.
and nobody gives a flying **** what you post. If I collect all the COINs do I get a 1UP? What if I get all 3 star cards?
I'm not labeling you a whack job, you assigned that title to yourself. Good job self pwning dave man.
You think the government was responsible for 9/11 but you don't care. You don't give a **** about it. You just troll on the internet and think you're sticking it to the man. *golf clap*
At least if you looked at porn and masturbated you'd have something to show for it.
Or maybe you do masturbate to Alex Jones... now there's a scary thought.

Hagakure24
01-26-2010, 08:44 AM
Not sure if anyone said anything yet about this....


....but....



the spending freeze does not include military spending.



so lol

amtharin
01-26-2010, 08:48 AM
Not sure if anyone said anything yet about this....


....but....



the spending freeze does not include military spending.



so lol

Nor does it include spending to welfare, Medicare, and Medicaid.

edible_eye
01-26-2010, 08:49 AM
Not sure if anyone said anything yet about this....


....but....



the spending freeze does not include military spending.



so lol

It was mentioned multiple times. Why the "lol"?

Hagakure24
01-26-2010, 08:55 AM
It was mentioned multiple times. Why the "lol"?

Didn't see it, just saw an e-mail that said there was no military spending cuts. (didn't realize this).

Lol? because saying there is no spending freeze on military (and apparently medicaid and medicare) amounts to nothing more from Obama than 'posturing' without any significant change in our expenditures.

I wish i could give a funny analogy, but non pops into mind at this moment.

Also, I'm for bringing our troops home. It's about time we do it.

Also, I'm for ending foreign aid in the shape of military personnel across the planet, too.

amtharin
01-26-2010, 08:58 AM
Didn't see it, just saw an e-mail that said there was no military spending cuts. (didn't realize this).

Lol? because saying there is no spending freeze on military (and apparently medicaid and medicare) amounts to nothing more from Obama than 'posturing' without any significant change in our expenditures.

I wish i could give a funny analogy, but non pops into mind at this moment.

I believe Michael Steele said, "Going on a diet after you won a pie eating contest". I thought that worked.

Hagakure24
01-26-2010, 09:17 AM
I believe Michael Steele said, "Going on a diet after you won a pie eating contest". I thought that worked.

lol, that does.

Kaiulani
01-26-2010, 11:09 AM
You think the government was responsible for 9/11

Tens of thousands of pieces of evidence trumps what the f*ck I (or anyone) thinks or doesn't think. Even if anyone thought, as you do, that the "government" wasn't involved--those thoughts would instantly then be flying in the face of all of the evidence, admissions, and incontrovertible facts.

All homicide investigators that spent years or in some cases, decades, digging up evidence that resulted in correct indictments of murderers finally being brought to justice--are all conspiracy theorists just the same as anyone who rejects Popular Mechanics and the govt.'s lies about 9/11--realizing where, and how they have lied. God forbid that there is such a thing as not having an agenda when one is investigating the greatest domestic crime in U.S. history.


You don't give a **** about it.
I don't give a sh*t because I won't gear up to go gun down the White House? Because according to you, there is nothing that anyone should be extremely pissed off and vocal about (yet non-violent) because that would imply "a conspiracy" (nevermind that the global man made climate change fraud has been totally discredited--a "conspiracy" far bigger than 9/11 that actually existed and got discredited. I guess the size of a an allegedly non-existent situation has relevance to its likelihood of being true now does it? Compartmentalization does not exist, that's why the word does not exist in the dictionary from your point of view.


"911 truthers are going to infiltrate the whitehouse and kill Obama"
v6P5GHjf4M8

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Bigmageta/beck-crying.jpg


and think you're sticking it to the man.
And you're sticking it to the man? What have you done? What has anyone on this forum "done"? Fighting unconstitutional wars, (House Joint Resolution 214 was unconstitutional and High Treason because congress cannot give power over to the president in lieu of a straight up declaration of war) murdering 1.3+ million Iraqi's for Al-Qaeda commanders like terrorist General Stanley McChrystal?

You know how people stick it to the man?

Some examples people do it by:

Outright rejecting being scanned by naked body imaging scanners wherever they may be deployed.

Outright rejecting GMO foods by the criminal terrorist Nazi death laboratory called Monsanto, and support local, organic farming at any cost.

Mass protesting and getting in the face of the criminal terrorist BATFE when they try to illegally shut down GUN SHOWS because they don't want Americans to be able to defend themselves from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Outright rejecting and preventing the adoption of global information grid integrated biometric authentication in the "National ID card" (aka WORLD ID Card) that will give unelected "officials" more tyrannical power over everyone's lives.

reyalp
01-26-2010, 11:26 AM
Tens of thousands of pieces of evidence trumps what the f*ck I (or anyone) thinks or doesn't think. Even if anyone thought, as you do, that the "government" wasn't involved--those thoughts would instantly then be flying in the face of all of the evidence, admissions, and incontrovertible facts.
Yeah, nanothermite. Got it.



All homicide investigators that spent years or in some cases, decades, digging up evidence that resulted in correct indictments of murderers finally being brought to justice--are all conspiracy theorists just the same as anyone who rejects Popular Mechanics and the govt.'s lies about 9/11--realizing where, and how they have lied. God forbid that there is such a thing as not having an agenda when one is investigating the greatest domestic crime in U.S. history.
You're not investigating anything. You're trolling on the internet.



I don't give a sh*t because I won't gear up to go gun down the White House? Because according to you, there is nothing that anyone should be extremely pissed off and vocal about (yet non-violent) because that would imply "a conspiracy" (nevermind that the global man made climate change fraud has been totally discredited--a "conspiracy" far bigger than 9/11 that actually existed and got discredited. I guess the size of a an allegedly non-existent situation has relevance to its likelihood of being true now does it? Compartmentalization does not exist, that's why the word does not exist in the dictionary from your point of view.
You don't give a **** because your only actions are to troll on the Internet, providing an avalanche of asinine drivel to people who really don't give a **** what you think.



And you're sticking it to the man? What have you done? What has anyone on this forum "done"? Fighting unconstitutional wars, (House Joint Resolution 214 was unconstitutional and High Treason because congress cannot give power over to the president in lieu of a straight up declaration of war) murdering 1.3+ million Iraqi's for Al-Qaeda commanders like terrorist General Stanley McChrystal?
Still no evidence of what you have done, aside from troll on the Internet...
Good job troll man.



You know how people stick it to the man?

Some examples people do it by:

Outright rejecting being scanned by naked body imaging scanners wherever they may be deployed.

Outright rejecting GMO foods by the criminal terrorist Nazi death laboratory called Monsanto, and support local, organic farming at any cost.

Mass protesting and getting in the face of the criminal terrorist BATFE when they try to illegally shut down GUN SHOWS because they don't want Americans to be able to defend themselves from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Outright rejecting and preventing the adoption of global information grid integrated biometric authentication in the "National ID card" (aka WORLD ID Card) that will give unelected "officials" more tyrannical power over everyone's lives.
:rolleyes:
One action step, mass protesting, which is still nothing you have participated in.
When are you going to get off your ass and do something?
Why are you wasting your time trolling on the internet, if it's soooooooooooooooo important?
This is a typical COINTELPRO tactic, to just raise up a bunch of rabble without any action steps, making legitimate transgressions of the government get drowned out among the loony bat**** ****ing crazy people. Once you draw in the schizophrenic contingent you can be sure that nobody will touch those legitimate topics with a 10ft pole.
Anyway, it really doesn't matter, you get to draw your government paycheck and keep trolling. Must be fun.

SaviorSix
01-26-2010, 11:31 AM
errr...

the domestic spending should be more important than the foreign spending.

dr_D
01-26-2010, 01:50 PM
Some new statistics from the CBO

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10871/Summary.shtml#1045449

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 02:36 PM
So in other words we should vote Republican next time! right? maybe? Will that help things?Huh? What does that absurd "solution" have to do with anything I posted? I'm a very clear advocate of "As long as we keep pretending there are only two choices on election day, then there will continue to be only two choices on election day". People like you need to stop believing that anti-Democrat must automatically mean pro-Republican in all matters - especially when the person you're attacking said no such thing.

I didn't vote Republican (or Democrat) in the last election - so why the hell would you put such wildly false words in my mouth?

This President rolled into town with massive promises regarding the budget, deficits, and debt - and they've turned out to be massive lies. His actions were the subject of my post, not what we can pretend someone else would have done.

ZenBowman
01-26-2010, 02:39 PM
He wasn't looking for an answer, he was kicking him and anyone else in the f*cking teeth with the reality that it makes no difference who the president is. Anyone with 2 brain cells working knows this. The "ballot box" has been 100% meaningless for quite some time now.

So then why do you care about spreading any information? Just to be cool? Or do you actually have a plan for fixing the system?

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 02:44 PM
I believe Michael Steele said, "Going on a diet after you won a pie eating contest". I thought that worked.Far more accurate would be... "Drinking a Diet Coke after winning the pie eating contest. On your way to the next pie eating context".

gjohnson5
01-26-2010, 03:41 PM
lol, the deficit was going through the roof no matter who got elected in 08, primarily (not exclusively) due to the ressession alone.

Some common sense in this thread finally.
The housing bubble was going to cost several trillion dollars to fix
Granted the bill(s) are expensive and the spending is a problem
The economy isn't and wasn't going to be cheap to fix no matter who was in office

Bluerain
01-26-2010, 03:47 PM
Haha 3 years .....Long enough to coast so he can get elected for a 2nd term . Don't let this fake fool ya.


More details to come soon...

Maybe Obama heard the people after all?

(Does not include security programs, defense, etc...)

Guess the balls in Congress court now...

powerman2000
01-26-2010, 05:46 PM
"I'd rather be a great one-term president, than a mediocre two-term president" - Barack Obama

Then let's hope he can fool enough people into believing he'll ever be called a great president.

ElMariachi
01-26-2010, 05:53 PM
Some common sense in this thread finally.
The housing bubble was going to cost several trillion dollars to fix
Granted the bill(s) are expensive and the spending is a problem
The economy isn't and wasn't going to be cheap to fix no matter who was in office



Hell yeah, spending your way out of a recession worked great for the Japanese back in the 90's........






wait....wut?

Hagakure24
01-26-2010, 05:54 PM
Hell yeah, spending your way out of a recession worked great for the Japanese back in the 90's........






wait....wut?

or the last 10 years either...

powerman2000
01-26-2010, 06:03 PM
Some common sense in this thread finally.Not really

The housing bubble was going to cost several trillion dollars to fixYou're off your rocker. You can't even substantiate such a ridiculous comment.

Granted the bill(s) are expensive and the spending is a problem
The economy isn't and wasn't going to be cheap to fix no matter who was in office

Sadly, I must agree with you and I'll throw you a bone and say that McCain might have done the same thing.

But all Obama did was create a gigantic slush fund to be use in unaccounted ways for his union cartell buddies, and other elitist pigs.

BlueBayou
01-26-2010, 06:04 PM
We should vote Alex Jones. Right? Is that the answer you were looking for?

ETA: got negged by the CT dunce for my post, so I negged him back with this:
swing low, sweet alex jones' nuts. coming for to carry me home. swing low, sweet alex jones' nuts. coming for to carry me home. i looked over chemtrails what do i see? coming for to carry me home? alex jones' nuts staring at me. coming for to carry me home.
I negged you because of the Alex Jones comments and continual and frustrating false accusations(lies) about me and many others who simply seek truth which have grown old beyond belief. I dont like Alex Jones or the prison planet/infowars sites and have been there a grand total of twice in the past year, and in fact I think he is a very bad thing in the realm of those out their actively seeking truth about things. I try to take info from all sides, but he has shown himself something to be extremely cautious about. I get my news and info elsewhere and dont even use him at all.
As far as CT's, I have done more arguing *against* various CT's over the years here than you have. I have provided facts whenever possible to set some CT's straight that I felt were incorrect.



Huh? What does that absurd "solution" have to do with anything I posted? I'm a very clear advocate of "As long as we keep pretending there are only two choices on election day, then there will continue to be only two choices on election day". People like you need to stop believing that anti-Democrat must automatically mean pro-Republican in all matters - especially when the person you're attacking said no such thing.

I didn't vote Republican (or Democrat) in the last election - so why the hell would you put such wildly false words in my mouth?

This President rolled into town with massive promises regarding the budget, deficits, and debt - and they've turned out to be massive lies. His actions were the subject of my post, not what we can pretend someone else would have done.
If true, then I had you pegged wrong. Youve always seemed like a Republican shill who just tries to hide his true intentions somewhat. If Im wrong then so be it. I was once a die-hard Republican myself so dont think Im some liberal democrat either. I was hardcore Bush until 2006 and then I realized how badly both parties, and the whole damn party system in general, sucked.

gjohnson5
01-26-2010, 06:27 PM
Hell yeah, spending your way out of a recession worked great for the Japanese back in the 90's........

We're not Japan and this isn't the 90's....
Yet another strawman argument as usual

But it doesn't matter. It is a fact that the spending DID a decent job of damage control to the economic situation

ElMariachi
01-26-2010, 06:31 PM
We're not Japan and this isn't the 90's....
Yet another strawman argument as usual

But it doesn't matter. It is a fact that the spending DID a decent job of damage control to the economic situation



What the hell did that even mean? The point is that Japanese spent over a decade trying to spend their way out of a recession and...shockingly enough, it didn't work. Even FDR's own Secretary of the Treasury admitted that they ****ed up on a major scale.


The falsehood is that you automatically have to spend money to "fix" the economy when the best thing the government could do is keep their hands off, let those businesses that are going to fail....to fail and let new, more efficient business models rise up in their place.


All we've done is delayed the ultimate reckoning a little bit and ultimately made it far worse, all this money being spent isn't sting-free, the bill for all this reckless deficit spending will come due soon.

gjohnson5
01-26-2010, 06:35 PM
What the hell did that even mean? The point is that Japanese spent over a decade trying to spend their way out of a recession and...shockingly enough, it didn't work. Even FDR's own Secretary of the Treasury admitted that they ****ed up on a major scale.


It means comparing apples to oranges makes no sense.....
Secondly, noone CREDIBLE AND SENSIBLE agrees that liquidation is the fix for the housing bubble,derivatives market, or AIG

You guys keep preaching this stuff and all the evidence clearly shows that route would have been a terrible disaster

Keynesian economics did what it was supposed to do and did a decent job of of averting a major disaster

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 08:04 PM
If true, then I had you pegged wrong. Youve always seemed like a Republican shill who just tries to hide his true intentions somewhat. If Im wrong then so be it. Like I said... Too many people around here assume that criticizing a Democrat means never-ending support to Republicans. When, in fact, they won't start getting my support until they return to solid Conservative values and policies.

I support or oppose based on the position/policy/action, not the (R) or (D) after someone's name.

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Keynesian economics did what it was supposed to do and did a decent job of of averting a major disasterIt must be convenient to look at the current "major disaster", and pretend "Well, it could have been a lot worse if we hadn't spent Trillions of dollars we don't have"...

How's that unemployment - that would exceed 8% if we didn't enact the President's wonderful rescue plan & spending binge?

jackamo2887
01-26-2010, 08:13 PM
What a cluster**** and joke the Obama administration is.

gjohnson5
01-26-2010, 08:26 PM
It must be convenient to look at the current "major disaster", and pretend "Well, it could have been a lot worse if we hadn't spent Trillions of dollars we don't have"...

How's that unemployment - that would exceed 8% if we didn't enact the President's wonderful rescue plan & spending binge?

I guess you'd like 30% unemployment instead of 10%

*edit*
Kind of a silly argument you've got there anyway. We had been losing hundreds of thousands of jobs for well over a year (more like 2). The economy contracted and some think it would have bounced back completely after 1 year...

:rolleyes:
It wouldn't have mattered if McCain were in office. He would have utilized stimulus packages as well, ad the unemployment rate would still be 10% with real unemplyment about 17%
*edit*

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 08:34 PM
I guess you'd like 30% unemployment instead of 10%

*edit*
Kind of a silly argument you've got there anyway.How is citing President Obama's statements a "silly argument"? (Never-mind, that is kind of a trick question :p)

One way or the other, he was completely wrong - either his massive "Stimulus" bill didn't delivered the promised results (keeping unemployment well below 8%), or he had no real idea what would happen if it wasn't passed (alluding to your never-before-seen 30% prediction).

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 08:39 PM
IIt wouldn't have mattered if McCain were in office. He would have utilized stimulus packages as well, ad the unemployment rate would still be 10% with real unemplyment about 17%
*edit*And I'd still be bitching and moaning about rampant & useless government spending - just as I did when Bush tried the "Stimulus" and "Bailout" games.

Why do you need to frame things relative to what someone else woulda/coulda done? The subject of the conversation is President Obama, his actions, and the results we've seen - along with his absurd plans & promises for the future (promises which will be just as easily broken as all the others).

Massive and endless new debt, unemployment far higher than his "worst case" prediction if we had done nothing - and now a "spending freeze" that if enacted, would amount to less than 1% of the overall federal budget. But we're supposed to take that seriously, when all his other deficit/debt/spending promises have failed to materialize.

Enso
01-26-2010, 08:43 PM
Moral to the story is people are going to bitch no matter what. Would those complaining rather he'd announced higher spending to try to stimulate the economy more? It's a good first step ffs...

nutsy54
01-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Moral to the story is people are going to bitch no matter what. Would those complaining rather he'd announced higher spending to try to stimulate the economy more? It's a good first step ffs...You're missing the point. Less than 1% real change in spending. That isn't a "step" at all. Especially when we now hear that his massive Stimulus Bill will end up costing $75 Billion more than originally planned (A government program that costs more than budgeted? Wow!).

That one piece of news, focused solely on the first major bill he signed in his first month as President, wipes out far more than the "savings" that this plan would provide over the next three years.

The problem is absolutely massive, and he's offering meaninglessly small "solutions".

Remember when simply ending the Iraq War was going to be the answer to our every budget problem? Remember how he was going to sift through the budget "line by line" to fix everything? Instead, after a year in office, and approaching his second full budget proposal - this is the best he's come up with.

gjohnson5
01-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Moral to the story is people are going to bitch no matter what. Would those complaining rather he'd announced higher spending to try to stimulate the economy more? It's a good first step ffs...

My issue is alot of this populus rage stuff is pretty silly..... There's no scenario that would have allowed a minimum of or no stimulus monies spent and the economy to completely bounce back after a year. I;m waiting on one of them to post up some information showing this to be an option

*edit*
Time to work on job hunting and interviewing skills instead of complaining about the unemployment rate
*edit*

Enso
01-26-2010, 09:14 PM
Remember when simply ending the Iraq War was going to be the answer to our every budget problem? Remember how he was going to sift through the budget "line by line" to fix everything? Instead, after a year in office, and approaching his second full budget proposal - this is the best he's come up with.

Aren't you glad he changed his mind? Perhaps he's improvising because recovery is going slower than he had hoped. I really don't know what is going through his head, but a spending freeze is a helluva lot better than a spending spree. Conservatives should be celebrating the fact he is doing this (even though not the amount they think is ideal)....but I guess that would maybe increase his favoritablity ratings which is something they just can't stand for.

PuRE_FiBER
01-26-2010, 09:26 PM
This is going to hurt Obama politically. The left is against it, the right is done with him, and the independents are going to think it's weak.

= One term president.

In 3 years, much of the left is going to become independent, and a lot of republicans have already become independent after Bush. So I think we could see a real third party emerge in this country... could bring some sanity to government, or could be the next Hitler. Who knows.

But one thing is pretty clear... this country is going to be a complete pile of sh*t 3 years from now.

markymark69
01-26-2010, 09:43 PM
I've asked this a bunch of times...why do you all care about deficit spending?
How does it affect you all? I know it doesnt affect me one bit.

If it does affect you...what are you doing to mitigate it's impact?

I swear some of you guys just love to be in a state of agitation. Stress kills....ya know?

DangerDan
01-26-2010, 09:50 PM
A little late for that. He already blew a trillion.

PuRE_FiBER
01-26-2010, 09:57 PM
I've asked this a bunch of times...why do you all care about deficit spending?
How does it affect you all? I know it doesnt affect me one bit.

If it does affect you...what are you doing to mitigate it's impact?

I swear some of you guys just love to be in a state of agitation. Stress kills....ya know?

You do understand that the deficit has ruined the country. If you have to borrow that much money, you are now dependent on China and other countries to run a trade surplus just to keep government running... you also need to increase taxes just to pay the interest on the deficit. But now you have a bankrupt consumer and high unemployment... people aren't going to be buying as much sh!t and foreigners don't have as much money to invest in government bonds.

So what are they going to do? Start printing money and destroy the dollar... probably causing hyperinflation. Or... the other scenario is they default on the debt, the bond market collapses, and the dollar will become worthless anyway since no one wants to trade with us anymore... Why would they trade with us? We have barely anything to export except dollars. Then everyone will wake up and figure out we need to start manufacturing our own sh*t again... but there will be a lot of chaos going on before that is point is reached.

GrokTheCube
01-26-2010, 10:08 PM
Just like the 80s... Propped up the house of cards with big spending there, and it almost came tumbling down even harder this time. How long can we keep this up?



What the hell did that even mean? The point is that Japanese spent over a decade trying to spend their way out of a recession and...shockingly enough, it didn't work. Even FDR's own Secretary of the Treasury admitted that they ****ed up on a major scale.


The falsehood is that you automatically have to spend money to "fix" the economy when the best thing the government could do is keep their hands off, let those businesses that are going to fail....to fail and let new, more efficient business models rise up in their place.


All we've done is delayed the ultimate reckoning a little bit and ultimately made it far worse, all this money being spent isn't sting-free, the bill for all this reckless deficit spending will come due soon.

frankenstein
01-26-2010, 10:20 PM
We're not Japan and this isn't the 90's....
Yet another strawman argument as usual

But it doesn't matter. It is a fact that the spending DID a decent job of damage control to the economic situation

Japan also had bubbled real estate stock markets that popped leading to the "lost decade" which has now become 2 decades of stagnation. That was not a strawman presented by the poster you quoted, but a footnote of history we should learn from. Funny, I always hear supporters of big govt claim that FDR's programs brought the US out of the Great Depression, some 70+ years ago. So we should ignore the lessons of history on one hand and follow it at the same time. Gotcha.

Anyhow, this freeze on spending is quite a drop in the bucket until the talk turns to severely cutting war and defense spending. Anyone think we can't cut a few hundred billion per year from the military's budget? Stopping the so called "war on drugs" would save more per year than the $25 Billion per year Obama is mentioning. Also, the private market lays off redundant jobs, especially during economic downturns, so why can't the public sector? If answering that last question, please refrain from saying it's the government's responsibility to absorb people to create make for work jobs.


Overall, I say good concept Obama. Aim too high at the very start and you'll get a backlash from all sorts of special interests and you'll get nowhere. I say never underestimate the common man's desire for the status quo if they feel they are getting some sort of benefit from said status quo.

reyalp
01-26-2010, 10:23 PM
I negged you because of the Alex Jones comments and continual and frustrating false accusations(lies) about me and many others who simply seek truth which have grown old beyond belief. I dont like Alex Jones or the prison planet/infowars sites and have been there a grand total of twice in the past year, and in fact I think he is a very bad thing in the realm of those out their actively seeking truth about things. I try to take info from all sides, but he has shown himself something to be extremely cautious about. I get my news and info elsewhere and dont even use him at all.
As far as CT's, I have done more arguing *against* various CT's over the years here than you have. I have provided facts whenever possible to set some CT's straight that I felt were incorrect.

Lies.


I missed [Alex Jones' show]. Is there any way to listen to it afterwards?

Wow truly amazing stuff here. I actually watched this [Alex Jones clip] and it was good. I dont pay a lot of attention to Alex Jones because I get my news and info from as wide a variety of sources as I can, but this is good by Alex. You should have put this in a thread of its own.

take the top links here and pick a news story [all from Alex Jones]:
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=sharp+dressed
here's where you copy/pasted an article from Alex Jones' site:

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Paul Joseph Watson
Thursday, May 1, 2008
[snipped]

and then you defended Alex's movie

Stop lying. Youre almost as bad as nutsy. The video IS FREE online and Alex allows people to copy and make DVDs of it as they please. see my sig
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=114843311
So you...
FAIL!
AGAIN!
I knew a year ago that you would have a hard time facing the truth OP as the time came. Your posts showed your true nature long ago.

here you like Alex's video on global warming:

Stinker, Ive hated and angered against a lot of the paranoia CT stuff youve posted; however this is real and this is big. BIG
Everyone concerned about truth should educate yourselves about this matter.
"This is not a smoking gun; this is a mushroom cloud."


here you talk about how cool Alex is

To the people attacking Alex Jones - Ive done the same myself. He is definately overly paranoid acting at times and probably suffers from PTSD and/or chronic anxiety disorder. That is most likely the result of spending the past decade + of your life confronting a monster that is not at all an easy one to confront. He probably wears a gun almost all the time for protection and is always having to check his back. However, between the rants and anxiety stuff, he does make some damn good points.

There's more, but I have to stop somewhere.

Kaiulani
01-27-2010, 03:46 AM
"President announces freeze on domestic spending for 3 years... "
Obama gives a billion to Taliban as the CIA Funds Opium trade
xr92igtutWE

Lies.
here's where you copy/pasted an article from Alex Jones' site:
and then you defended Alex's movie
here you like Alex's video on global warming:
here you talk about how cool Alex is
There's more, but I have to stop somewhere.
JC_7YD2vmbA


Huh? What does that absurd "solution" have to do with anything I posted?
Because you keep enforcing the fake left vs. fake right, fake conservative vs. fake liberal, fake neocons vs. fake progressives. Obama is a global elite puppet (i.e. puppet of Goldman Sachs.) The only non-controlled candidate that ran for president in 2008 was Ron Paul, that's why he lost, (because he was the ONLY PRO-AMERICA candidate) and was also threatened to be assassinated if he got much more popular by the people who controlled the other FAKE candidates. The massive slandering and outright lies launched against him such as making a big deal about a donation received by a white supremacist were sufficient to destroy his credibility in the minds of the dumbass American public.


I'm a very clear advocate of "As long as we keep pretending there are only two choices on election day, then there will continue to be only two choices on election day".
You've been a very clear advocate of a complete fantasy, a non-existent situation. The "Democrats" and "Republicans" work for the same global elite at the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Bilderberg, owners of the Federal Reserve, et.al. Your job is to make sure that no one that visits this site realizes the incontrovertible facts that the global elite runs things, so that no one can take effective action (i.e. you do not think that anyone should oppose naked body imaging scanners, world ID card, warrantless spying.) Simultaneously your targets are bombarded with propaganda that they are in league with "fearmongerers", "CT's", "whack jobs", "paranoid", "delusional" people "living in fear"--where the complete opposite is the case.

I guess Jesse Ventura is "living in fear" by having his own TV show investigating information that is almost entirely withheld from the population by the so-called mainstream media. Far as "elections" go, they became non-existent with the advent of backdoored Diebold electronic voting machines where votes can be changed without detection.

reyalp
01-27-2010, 03:59 AM
youtube ****

youtube ****

You work for the CIA, your opinion is invalid.

Kaiulani
01-27-2010, 04:35 AM
You work for the CIA, your opinion is invalid.
No opinions were stated.

scrawny6575
01-27-2010, 05:18 AM
Ok Ok.... we need to borrow 1.75 trill guys

but but.. the sheeple are mad about all the spending..

well lets borrow 2 trill then give back .25 trill and tell them we cut spending..

BRILLIANT!!

reyalp
01-27-2010, 05:19 AM
No opinions were stated.

That's a typical COINTELPRO tactic.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1920/boxxysmiles.jpg

bigkarl
01-27-2010, 07:54 AM
So much for Kensington economics..

So much for your vocabulary..

nutsy54
01-31-2010, 02:33 PM
Aren't you glad he changed his mind? Perhaps he's improvising because recovery is going slower than he had hoped. I really don't know what is going through his head, but a spending freeze is a helluva lot better than a spending spree. Conservatives should be celebrating the fact he is doing this...As expected, this pledge was just the latest farce to come out of the White House. Looking at the broad numbers from Obama's 2011 budget proposal, we see an overall 7% INCREASE in government spending.

Once again, his Actions prove that the Words were just that - empty, meaningless Words.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122043701

ElMariachi
01-31-2010, 08:48 PM
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