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Liff_Wates
01-06-2010, 08:46 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/01/06/browns.cribbs.ap/index.html

G-mane12
01-06-2010, 08:48 PM
He's wasting his talent there.. dude needs to get out of Cleveland ASAP

WheyneNewton
01-06-2010, 08:48 PM
they should seriously just pay him what he deserves and hold onto him, they'd be stupid to let him go

Woogiefied
01-06-2010, 08:50 PM
The raiders do love speed, just saying...

SuperAmmo
01-06-2010, 08:52 PM
He's not going anywhere.

For God sakes...Holmgren hasn't even been here for 48 hours. Shouldn't he focus on seeing if he can retain Mangini, and hire GM and if he can't retain Mangini, a coach too?

Geez Josh...you're not the #1 priority right now...esp. with 6 months left til anything worthwhile happening.

GPx
01-06-2010, 08:55 PM
The raiders do love speed, just saying...

But they'd have to be smart to pull off a move like that.

Tyler44
01-06-2010, 09:02 PM
Goddamit pay the man!

For fuks sake, he is the only skill player on the team worth anything!

KingCanuck
01-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Cribbs doesn't fit the system the Whalrus runs.

Mike H wants a conventional west coast system I assume...dude does not like "trick plays" nor "out of the box plays"


just sayin

cor030
01-06-2010, 09:57 PM
lol, ****ing idiots. what else are they spending their money on? next year will be uncapped anyways, why hold out on your teams best player. stupid management is STUPID.


Cribbs doesn't fit the system the Whalrus runs.

Mike H wants a conventional west coast system I assume...dude does not like "trick plays" nor "out of the box plays"


just sayin

He set the all time record for kick-off returns for TD's this season, and is the best KR in the game right now(and possibly of all time)

That's where his value is, not as a wildcat/rb or WR.

Liff_Wates
01-06-2010, 09:59 PM
He's not going anywhere.

For God sakes...Holmgren hasn't even been here for 48 hours. Shouldn't he focus on seeing if he can retain Mangini, and hire GM and if he can't retain Mangini, a coach too?

Geez Josh...you're not the #1 priority right now...esp. with 6 months left til anything worthwhile happening.

what i get from the article is that Browns already made the first move. They offered, $1.4 million a year, which is about a $300k per year raise i think? Not particularly generous for your best touchdown threat, although it's hard to say how much a guy who doesn't really have a position should be asking for.

cor030
01-06-2010, 10:04 PM
what i get from the article is that Browns already made the first move. They offered, $1.4 million a year, which is about a $300k per year raise i think? Not particularly generous for your best touchdown threat, although it's hard to say how much a guy who doesn't really have a position should be asking for.

Yep. It's not like he's being impatient, this is what was said:

"Rickert said Browns vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte, who handles contract negotiations, told him the offer was final and that Holmgren was in agreement with her.

"Dawn said this was it, this was their offer," Rickert said. "She said it would be 1.4 today, 1.4 in March and 1.4 in August.""

Liff_Wates
01-06-2010, 10:07 PM
Yep. It's not like he's being impatient, this is what was said:

"Rickert said Browns vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte, who handles contract negotiations, told him the offer was final and that Holmgren was in agreement with her.

"Dawn said this was it, this was their offer," Rickert said. "She said it would be 1.4 today, 1.4 in March and 1.4 in August.""

lol he's definitely done then. 1.4/year is fullback money

KingCanuck
01-06-2010, 10:10 PM
Cribbs deserves a big raise no doubt. But you got to be careful giving out big money for a guy like him when he can be neutralized very easily (teams will start kicking away from him).

Liff_Wates
01-06-2010, 10:18 PM
Cribbs deserves a big raise no doubt. But you got to be careful giving out big money for a guy like him when he can be neutralized very easily (teams will start kicking away from him).

good thing for cribbs there are a lot of retarded teams willing to overpay

JuicintheJuice
01-06-2010, 10:23 PM
lol, ****ing idiots. what else are they spending their money on? next year will be uncapped anyways, why hold out on your teams best player. stupid management is STUPID.



He set the all time record for kick-off returns for TD's this season, and is the best KR in the game right now(and possibly of all time)

That's where his value is, not as a wildcat/rb or WR.

His value (in dollars) has gone way up as a result of his success as a WR/RB. There's no reason to keep him if Holmgren doesn't plan to use him as a "wildcat" play maker. Essentially they would be paying starting HB money to a kick returner. Kick returners are too inconsistent to spend tons of money on. Look at Hester and Hall in recent years.

Parlor_Mob
01-06-2010, 10:23 PM
what i get from the article is that Browns already made the first move. They offered, $1.4 million a year, which is about a $300k per year raise i think? Not particularly generous for your best touchdown threat, although it's hard to say how much a guy who doesn't really have a position should be asking for.

I think Hester is getting 40 mil for 5 years or something.

Liff_Wates
01-06-2010, 10:30 PM
I think Hester is getting 40 mil for 5 years or something.

POSSIBLY $40million for 4 years. 15 million is guaranteed and 10 million for each of the last 2 years if he meets incentives.
Hester's garbage as a returner now though, i'd take Cribbs over him right now, but not for ****ing $40 million over 4 years.

cor030
01-06-2010, 10:33 PM
POSSIBLY $40million for 4 years. 15 million is guaranteed and 10 million for each of the last 2 years if he meets incentives.
Hester's garbage as a returner now though, i'd take Cribbs over him right now, but not for ****ing $40 million over 4 years.

Hester doesn't do kick returns anymore. He only did a handful of kicks, and 20 +/- punt returns IIRC.

Also, I think the reason he stopped doing KRs is because his contract was made with tons of WR incentives and no incentives for kick returns.

n1e
01-06-2010, 11:23 PM
the only successful KR/PR that made it as a WR as far as i know is Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers

unless Cribbs proves he can be an asset as a WR/RB i think he's asking a bit much especially when he's just a kick return/punt return specialist when all the other teams have to do is just not kick it to him

Rhynosaurus
01-07-2010, 01:12 AM
POSSIBLY $40million for 4 years. 15 million is guaranteed and 10 million for each of the last 2 years if he meets incentives.
Hester's garbage as a returner now though, i'd take Cribbs over him right now, but not for ****ing $40 million over 4 years.

But the Bears are retarded and think they could take a speedster and turn him into a #1 WR.
I slammed/broke my remote when I heard his contract last summer on ESPN.


the only successful KR/PR that made it as a WR as far as i know is Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers

unless Cribbs proves he can be an asset as a WR/RB i think he's asking a bit much especially when he's just a kick return/punt return specialist when all the other teams have to do is just not kick it to him

I agree. I think the kid is a stud and has tons of potential, but he needs to demand a heavier work load next year and show what he can do on a consistent basis. He should hire a personal WR coach in the offseason and work his ass off to show the team his in more than a one trick pony.

BeanieWells
01-07-2010, 01:23 AM
I wouldn't pay him more than 3mill every year since he doesn't even contribute half as much as Desean Jackson or Percy Harvin. Browns need to focus on getting some real players on offense instead of paying a kick returner big $$$. No point having a good kick returner when your offense sucks d!ck.

kethnaab
01-07-2010, 01:26 AM
He's not going anywhere.

For God sakes...Holmgren hasn't even been here for 48 hours. Shouldn't he focus on seeing if he can retain Mangini, and hire GM and if he can't retain Mangini, a coach too?

honestly? No.

but make no mistake, I am NOT arguing with your GM. If he wants to take the only guy on the team who scores, and let him go, I know of a place just southeast of him who will pay him what he's worth


Geez Josh...you're not the #1 priority right now...esp. with 6 months left til anything worthwhile happening.

yeah, but the Brownies been dicking him around for 2 years now.



good thing for cribbs there are a lot of retarded teams willing to overpay

guess it depends on how you define 'overpay'

1.4 mil/year is a joke


POSSIBLY $40million for 4 years. 15 million is guaranteed and 10 million for each of the last 2 years if he meets incentives.
Hester's garbage as a returner now though, i'd take Cribbs over him right now, but not for ****ing $40 million over 4 years.

agreed


the only successful KR/PR that made it as a WR as far as i know is Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers

nah, quite a few have made it. WRs frequently start off as rookies as KR/PR guys. Santonio Holmes is a pretty good example. He was our PR until last season.


unless Cribbs proves he can be an asset as a WR/RB i think he's asking a bit much especially when he's just a kick return/punt return specialist when all the other teams have to do is just not kick it to him

what is he asking for? he's making 1.13 now, 1.14 mil per year is a joke. it's like tipping someone a penny, you are purposely telling them 'you suck'

Liff_Wates
01-07-2010, 01:40 AM
what is he asking for? he's making 1.13 now, 1.14 mil per year is a joke. it's like tipping someone a penny, you are purposely telling them 'you suck'

This.

This is not the same as latrell sprewell saying he has a family to feed. At one time Cleveland thought he was worth ~1.1/year, and now that he has VASTLY exceeded expectations they offer him a puny (by NFL standards) raise. The only explanation I can think of is they don't really want to keep him around.

neilsabo
01-07-2010, 01:45 AM
i think it's best for cribbs to get out of cleveland asap anyways

go to a team that will pay you what you're worth... LOL at wanting to play for that organization right now

wrenny420
01-07-2010, 05:00 AM
i love cribbs and as a cleveland fan I don't want to see him go.

and die keth, he won't go to steelers!

dirtdickens
01-07-2010, 06:09 AM
Theres the Browns I know and love. Make one decent move and then make 5 moves that set the team back 5 years.

kethnaab
01-07-2010, 06:10 AM
and die keth, he won't go to steelers!

HA!!

reps for the first guy who photochops Cribbs in a Steelers' uniform!

joelz54_99
01-07-2010, 07:54 AM
they should seriously just pay him what he deserves and hold onto him, they'd be stupid to let him go

We will gladly take him in Dallas.

Onita
01-07-2010, 07:54 AM
Meh, I'm not worried about it much. The Browns season hasn't even been over for a week. I think something will get done. However, if Holmgren's first move in office is losing Josh Cribbs...

EDIT: And I think the way Cribbs' agents are handling this is piss poor.

kethnaab
01-07-2010, 08:01 AM
Meh, I'm not worried about it much. The Browns season hasn't even been over for a week. I think something will get done. However, if Holmgren's first move in office is losing Josh Cribbs...

EDIT: And I think the way Cribbs' agents are handling this is piss poor.

Cribbs was offered a "raise" of about $30,000 per season

that's a slap in the face of the guy who was 2nd on the team in scoring, 1 TD behind Harrison

Mac_xX
01-07-2010, 08:01 AM
Pretty insulting to offer the best player on your team 1.4 million a year.

joelz54_99
01-07-2010, 08:08 AM
Meh, I'm not worried about it much. The Browns season hasn't even been over for a week. I think something will get done. However, if Holmgren's first move in office is losing Josh Cribbs...

EDIT: And I think the way Cribbs' agents are handling this is piss poor.

Didn't you read the quote from the Brown's GM? Its 1.4m now, 1.4 in march, 1.4 in august. That's a take it or leave it kind of thing. Also Holmgren is not to big on players like Cribbs. He's more traditional if you followed him in GB and Seattle. Cribbs is more than likely done in Cleveland. Done dolla

Onita
01-07-2010, 08:17 AM
Didn't you read the quote from the Brown's GM? Its 1.4m now, 1.4 in march, 1.4 in august. That's a take it or leave it kind of thing. Also Holmgren is not to big on players like Cribbs. He's more traditional if you followed him in GB and Seattle. Cribbs is more than likely done in Cleveland. Done dolla

Yeah, I read it, and a lot of sh*t is said in contract negotiations. Maybe I would feel differently if I had followed Holmgren at all, but I truly don't know much about him. Cribbs' agent set a deadline for a deal like a day after Holmgren took office. He really doesn't have a ton of leverage with such a low salary. Either way, I still think his agents suck.

thegenerel
01-07-2010, 08:45 AM
there are 31 other teams that could use his talents and would pay him more than 1.4M/year

Mac_xX
01-07-2010, 08:54 AM
there are 31 other teams that could use his talents and would pay him more than 1.4M/year

This.

Unless they give him more money, he's out of there.

adamsteve14
01-07-2010, 09:17 AM
there are 31 other teams that could use his talents and would pay him more than 1.4M/year

This. You had better believe that just about every team in the NFL would love Cribbs on their team and would pay him triple what Cleveland has offered, at least.

And that is coming from a Steelers fan who watched Cribbs beat the Steelers with no one's help but the Steelers.

Onita
01-07-2010, 09:46 AM
Apparently his agent was just on the radio in Cleveland. Anyone able to hear that? I'm at work, unfortunately :\

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 10:24 AM
Much ado about nothing.

The guy will get re-signed.

Or traded for draft picks.


either way the Browns win....he has 3 maybe 4 years left on hsi contract....

Sorry to burst your bubble guys.

RavenStorm
01-07-2010, 10:26 AM
I would kill to have him in a Ravens uni. :D

cor030
01-07-2010, 10:29 AM
Much ado about nothing.

The guy will get re-signed.

Or traded for draft picks.


either way the Browns win....he has 3 maybe 4 years left on hsi contract....

Sorry to burst your bubble guys.

How does getting traded for picks 'winning' ? You get draft picks that could end up being busts for a guy who is 26, and the absolute best at what he does. Trading stars for picks =/= a good way to build a franchise. The only reason you should trade him is if he denies a giant contract, the contract he was given was pathetic, and continues to prove how ****ing bat**** retarded and cheap the Browns organization is.

JuicintheJuice
01-07-2010, 10:31 AM
Much ado about nothing.

The guy will get re-signed.

Or traded for draft picks.


either way the Browns win....he has 3 maybe 4 years left on hsi contract....

Sorry to burst your bubble guys.

lol @ trading a 26 year old star.

bobcat11
01-07-2010, 10:34 AM
I have been a die hard browns fan my whole life, and if they let Cribbs leave I will never watch another ****ing game

quietstormx1
01-07-2010, 10:38 AM
"I'm hurt because I don't want to play for nobody else. But the way they're talking, they're leaving me no choice."


yeah, im sure you really want to play for the browns :rolleyes:

browns are stupid if they dont give him what he wants. dudes obviously got more talent then everyone on the team.

Madanzi
01-07-2010, 11:10 AM
lol @ trading a 26 year old star.

by the time his contract is up he's going to be slowing down

thegenerel
01-07-2010, 11:11 AM
either way the Browns win


and that doesnt happen very often

Onita
01-07-2010, 11:14 AM
yeah, im sure you really want to play for the browns :rolleyes:

browns are stupid if they dont give him what he wants. dudes obviously got more talent then everyone on the team.

According to his agent, he was told to expect 2.8 - 3.2 starting offer, which "wouldn't have gotten it done but would have been a starting point" or something to that effect. His agent supposedly also said something to the effect of him calling his other clients who play for the Browns if they don't sign Cribbs (basically a thinly veiled threat that he would screw with his other clients for them screwing Cribbs).

How do you determine the value of someone like Cribbs? What's everyone else think he deserves to be paid?

neilsabo
01-07-2010, 11:29 AM
IMO when a franchise's reputation is so bad that free agents don't want to go there, sometimes you have to overpay for guys who might not necessarily be superstars, but are good solid players that are examples of what you want your locker room culture to be like...

for example, i thought the 49ers really overpaid when we got Justin Smith last year for 6 years/$45 mil with $20 mil guaranteed... but the guy has been worth every penny both on and off the field, and is one of the main reasons the 49ers defense went from horrible to one of the better defensive units this season...

overpaying for guys that are solid players and really good leaders in the locker room will turn a team around quicker than being cheap

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 12:32 PM
and that doesnt happen very often

More often than not lately....


which leaves me cautiously optimistic.



11 draft picks this year

9 already in 2011

j_to_the
01-07-2010, 12:36 PM
i didn't read the whole thread.. so I apologize if I repeat something.. I was skimming through the Main Forum page and saw this..

Anyway, if the Browns don't penny up to keep this stud, he will leave.. Why not. The dude is a stud..

Imagine the Dolphins releasing/trading Ricky Williams to get Cribbs and having Cribbs and RBrown in the backfield running the Wildcat....... sh!t son!

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 12:46 PM
Anyway, if the Browns don't penny up to keep this stud, he will leave.. Why not. The dude is a stud..

!


Why not?

Cause he can't ****ing leave. He in under contract for another 4 years.

Onita
01-07-2010, 12:51 PM
Why not?

Cause he can't ****ing leave. He in under contract for another 4 years.

lmao. Funny how those "contract" things work.

Blasphemy
01-07-2010, 12:53 PM
C'mon Browns... the f*ck?

PAY THAT MAN......


SHOW HIM DA MONEY!

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 01:05 PM
Joe Thomas is the best football player in a Cleveland Browns uniform.

BeanieWells
01-07-2010, 01:11 PM
C'mon Browns... the f*ck?

PAY THAT MAN......


SHOW HIM DA MONEY!

Steelers... Lakers... Let's Get It

cor030
01-07-2010, 01:13 PM
Joe Thomas is the best football player in a Cleveland Browns uniform.

Cribbs might not be the best, but he's practically the only play maker you have.

As a wise man named Deion Sanders once said:

PAY THE MAN

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 01:14 PM
Steelers... Lakers... Let's Get It

Strong phaggotry

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 01:17 PM
Cribbs might not be the best, but he's practically the only play maker you have.

As a wise man named Deion Sanders once said:

PAY THE MAN

He isn't walking anywhere, he is under contract. I agree he needs to be paid, I really do, but not what he wants.

Strong ninja edit

Onita
01-07-2010, 01:19 PM
Cribbs might not be the best, but he's practically the only play maker you have.

As a wise man named Deion Sanders once said:

PAY THE MAN

He'll get paid. He should consider hiring a new agent though.

barracudal
01-07-2010, 01:19 PM
I'm sure the 31 other teams would be more than happy to have him on their team, the browns are in no position to play hardball with the best player on their team by far. what kind of message does this send? this is the same team that gave derek anderson and brady quinn HUGE contracts. now they have a guy who actually produces for them and they don't want to pay him? fail.

cor030
01-07-2010, 01:20 PM
He isn't walking anywhere, he is under contract. I agree he needs to be paid, I really do, but not what he wants.

Strong ninja edit

yeah, what I said at first wasn't relevant because I misunderstood what you were saying so I deleted it.

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 01:24 PM
the browns are in no position to play hardball with the best player on their team by far. what kind of message does this send? this is the same team that gave derek anderson and brady quinn HUGE contracts

STRONG fail on all accounts

Onita
01-07-2010, 01:28 PM
I'm sure the 31 other teams would be more than happy to have him on their team, the browns are in no position to play hardball with the best player on their team by far. what kind of message does this send? this is the same team that gave derek anderson and brady quinn HUGE contracts. now they have a guy who actually produces for them and they don't want to pay him? fail.

Show me BQ's HUGE contract. As well as DA, compared to other QB's. Nobody said they don't want to pay him. His AGENT said that 1.4 is their ONLY offer and its taken as gospel.

EE41
01-07-2010, 01:31 PM
Yeah he deserves more than that. I'd heard he wants 2.5 million. I'd give him 2. Then put bonuses in for rushing receiving. If he plays like an NFL receiver. Pay him like one. If not then he is paid like a return man. Of course, as the best ever he probably deserves a bit more.

barracudal
01-07-2010, 01:33 PM
lol @ defensive browns fans, u mad?

derek anderson: 3 years, 24 million
brady quinn: was set to make 11 million in 2009 before the browns cheap owner made him sit to avoid contract clauses guaranteeing him the incentives.

EE41
01-07-2010, 01:35 PM
Oh and I heard Mangini is coming back for another season.

LikeAMachine
01-07-2010, 01:36 PM
lol @ defensive browns fans, u mad?

derek anderson: 3 years, 24 million
brady quinn: was set to make 11 million in 2009 before the browns cheap owner made him sit to avoid contract clauses guaranteeing him the incentives.

Yes mad.

Mad at people talking out of their asses on topics they know dick about.

dirtdickens
01-07-2010, 01:37 PM
brady quinn: was set to make 11 million in 2009 before the browns cheap owner made him sit to avoid contract clauses guaranteeing him the incentives.

That isnt a bad deal. The guy hasnt been paid crap and he is in his 3rd year. If he was the starter he would have been paid like a starter, while he sits he makes less than a regular backup. Dont know why they said it was a bad contract.

Anderson's contract was terrible for sure.

Pay Cribbs.

Onita
01-07-2010, 02:05 PM
lol @ defensive browns fans, u mad?

derek anderson: 3 years, 24 million
brady quinn: was set to make 11 million in 2009 before the browns cheap owner made him sit to avoid contract clauses guaranteeing him the incentives.

Mad? Just proving you don't know what you're talking about. Not sure how that would make me mad.

joelz54_99
01-07-2010, 02:07 PM
If he has 4 years left as someone said then what are the negotiations about?

Onita
01-07-2010, 02:07 PM
If he has 4 years left as someone said then what are the negotiations about?

3 I think. He wanted a new contract. He deserves a new contract. However, his agent cannot make all the rules and throw a hissy fit when it doesn't go his way.

dirtdickens
01-07-2010, 02:09 PM
They said he would get one and then gave him what would be a 30,000 raise for one season. They punked him.

Tyler44
01-07-2010, 02:10 PM
If they do not pay him and he ends up traded, the Browns deserve to be 1-15...

There are some fukin morons in the front office in Cleveland.

Onita
01-07-2010, 02:14 PM
They said he would get one and then gave him what would be a 30,000 raise for one season. They punked him.

Again, we're only going on the words of an agent. Who knows what the true offer was, if that was just base salary, etc. etc.

dirtdickens
01-07-2010, 02:16 PM
I heard the woman that works with the new boss on these things say it earlier on the radio. Fox radio had her saying the 1.4 now and it will be the same in August.

They gave him a take it now or leave it with a slap in the face offer.

Onita
01-07-2010, 02:18 PM
I didn't hear that. I'm trying my best ,and its hard, not to think the Browns FO is that stupid.

EDIT: Apparently his agent is, or will shortly be, on STO. Someone give updates if you can see it.

joelz54_99
01-07-2010, 02:34 PM
3 I think. He wanted a new contract. He deserves a new contract. However, his agent cannot make all the rules and throw a hissy fit when it doesn't go his way.

Well if that's the case then Cribbs is f.uked. He really holds no leverage since he is under contract and not utilized fully as a WR. Yeah he is the best player on the team who has scored the most but the Browns won't care in the end.

RuShJuNkiE
01-07-2010, 03:45 PM
lol @ defensive browns fans, u mad?

derek anderson: 3 years, 24 million
brady quinn: was set to make 11 million in 2009 before the browns cheap owner made him sit to avoid contract clauses guaranteeing him the incentives.

Joshua Cribbs is locked up for 3 more years. Josh is in no position to play hard ball. They will let him just sit there and rot with the contract he has.

I agree they should pay him a lot more than the initial offer, but he has no leverage in this situation. Maybe the fan base, but thats about it.

Shangius
01-07-2010, 03:47 PM
He's their best player and he's in his prime. WTF

brudman
01-07-2010, 03:49 PM
I agree with the Browns. Big money is better spent in other ways. He's nothing more than a special teams star and an offensive novelty. He'd be a fit for the dolphins but not more much more than 1.4 million a year IMO.

Mr. Chainsaw
01-07-2010, 05:22 PM
I agree with the Browns. Big money is better spent in other ways. He's nothing more than a special teams star and an offensive novelty. He'd be a fit for the dolphins but not more much more than 1.4 million a year IMO.


I agree to an extent. The majority of his success has been on ST's. Other than that he has 135 receiving yards this season and 381 rushing yards, plus 1 completion and 1 INT. He does deserve a raise, but he hasn't shown anything other than his ST ability to warrant anything over 2 million/year.

ElMariachi
01-08-2010, 09:08 AM
Cribbs deserves a big raise no doubt. But you got to be careful giving out big money for a guy like him when he can be neutralized very easily (teams will start kicking away from him).



Did you see his rushing statistics this year? Plain stupid ypc. He's valuable in many roles, can line up in the slot, at RB, in the Wildcat...etc...etc, extremely versatile guy with major explosiveness.

brudman
01-08-2010, 09:44 AM
Did you see his rushing statistics this year? Plain stupid ypc. He's valuable in many roles, can line up in the slot, at RB, in the Wildcat...etc...etc, extremely versatile guy with major explosiveness.

The question is whether he can be a consistant contributor, or just a 1-2 time per season game changer. That's valuable, but not for a huge cap hit.

ElMariachi
01-08-2010, 10:05 AM
The question is whether he can be a consistant contributor, or just a 1-2 time per season game changer. That's valuable, but not for a huge cap hit.



He is a consistent contributor, his punt and kick return yards average was among the highest in the league. He also had solid running stats as well. He's a versatile guy that can be further developed to get more touches per game.

TheHitStick
01-08-2010, 10:06 AM
they should seriously just pay him what he deserves and hold onto him, they'd be stupid to let him go

this

he's one of the reasons we ended the season with a 5 game winning streak

j_to_the
01-08-2010, 11:10 AM
i didn't read the whole thread.. so I apologize if I repeat something.. I was skimming through the Main Forum page and saw this..

Anyway, if the Browns don't penny up to keep this stud, he will leave.. Why not. The dude is a stud..

Imagine the Dolphins releasing/trading Ricky Williams to get Cribbs and having Cribbs and RBrown in the backfield running the Wildcat....... sh!t son!


Why not?

Cause he can't ****ing leave. He in under contract for another 4 years.


strong FAIL.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4806503

LikeAMachine
01-08-2010, 11:21 AM
strong FAIL.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4806503


"I did all the playing I'm going to play on this contract," Cribbs said Thursday. "I ain't doing nothing, I'm not showing my face until it's right."


Oryl?

So what is he gonna do sit out? Sit out the season?

Are you ****ing retarded? unless the Browns trade him, he CANNOT leave. It's much ado about nothing, because Mangini told him he woudl work on getting him a new contract.....and he will.


Josh is going to get his money, it is just not the appropriate time since we don't have a GM and only yesterday decided to keep Mangini.

j_to_the
01-08-2010, 11:31 AM
not trying to start a holy war here, brah.. calm down.

but packing up his locker seemed like a pretty strong showing that he is willing to sit out, no?

Onita
01-08-2010, 11:33 AM
not trying to start a holy war here, brah.. calm down.

but packing up his locker seemed like a pretty strong showing that he is willing to sit out, no?

Seems a pretty strong showing that the season is over.

cor030
01-08-2010, 11:34 AM
he can still fill his contractual obligations by just not trying. He can just take a knee in the end zone every kick, etc. There are many ways to 'sit out' without actually sitting out.

j_to_the
01-08-2010, 11:39 AM
he can still fill his contractual obligations by just not trying. He can just take a knee in the end zone every kick, etc. There are many ways to 'sit out' without actually sitting out.


hey someone gets it!...


someone get this man a gold chain!











wait. he's got one.

LikeAMachine
01-08-2010, 11:42 AM
No, he pulled this same thing last year about his contract and when the time came to play....he played and he was a star. Guys like this, with character, heart and courage don't flop for anyone, with or without a contract and he proved it this year.


Mark my words, Mangini will lobby for Josh to get his money.

cor030
01-08-2010, 11:44 AM
No, he pulled this same thing last year about his contract and when the time came to play....he played and he was a star. Guys like this, with character, heart and courage don't flop for anyone, with or without a contract and he proved it this year.


Mark my words, Mangini will lobby for Josh to get his money.

Yeah, I know. I've liked Josh and he seemed like a genuinely humble dude in the post game interview after the browns/steelers game, but there is always a breaking point.

LikeAMachine
01-08-2010, 11:45 AM
Yeah, I know. I've liked Josh and he seemed like a genuinely humble dude in the post game interview after the browns/steelers game, but there is always a breaking point.

I totally agree and last year I was like STFU you are a return man.

But this year, he deserves the money and it is time to pay the man.

j_to_the
01-08-2010, 11:52 AM
No, he pulled this same thing last year about his contract and when the time came to play....he played and he was a star. Guys like this, with character, heart and courage don't flop for anyone, with or without a contract and he proved it this year.


Mark my words, Mangini will lobby for Josh to get his money.


just realized you are from Columbus.... lulz.

anyway, i don't follow Cleveland. not a whole lot of people do, so I was unaware he did this last year..

of course Cribbs will play b/c he wants to continually give the "metaphoric finger" to demonstrate he deserves his green.. but i think we are all on the same page -- he's gunna get paid one way or another...

LikeAMachine
01-08-2010, 12:21 PM
just realized you are from Columbus.... lulz.

anyway, i don't follow Cleveland. not a whole lot of people do, so I was unaware he did this last year..

of course Cribbs will play b/c he wants to continually give the "metaphoric finger" to demonstrate he deserves his green.. but i think we are all on the same page -- he's gunna get paid one way or another...

I was born and raised in Cleveland off W.130th...

My Browns knowledge is vast....unfortunately.