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cthal13
10-27-2009, 07:45 PM
Hey guys, I've been slacking on my diet lately, and have gained some body fat. However, I'd also like to increase my muscle as a long term goal, but I don't want to get real fat doing it. Specifically, I'm 168lbs now, and my eventual 2-3 year goal is to be 234lbs. So I thought that I'd go a few weeks on a maintain, clean diet, then a few weeks cutting, then go back to a maintain, then start a slow bulk, like +250 calories. Anyone have any suggestions/critiques for these ideas?

phal
10-27-2009, 07:52 PM
Did you just pick a random # in the 200's to be your goal? (srs)

:P

wnc817
10-27-2009, 07:59 PM
Hey guys, I've been slacking on my diet lately, and have gained some body fat. However, I'd also like to increase my muscle as a long term goal, but I don't want to get real fat doing it. Specifically, I'm 168lbs now, and my eventual 2-3 year goal is to be 234lbs. So I thought that I'd go a few weeks on a maintain, clean diet, then a few weeks cutting, then go back to a maintain, then start a slow bulk, like +250 calories. Anyone have any suggestions/critiques for these ideas?

I'm with ya on that. I want to start slow when I bulk, and, hopefully, not gain a lot of flab in the process. I'm thinking the way to go is to add a few hundred cals to my daily intake when I start bulking, and stay at that level for a few weeks, then adjust up by another 300 if I am not gaining or am still losing. I'm hoping that if I increase slowly over a few months, until I am gaining slowly, that I will minimize fat gain. Somebody correct me if I am wrong on that.

cthal13
10-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Ha nope! I'm going to pro wrestling school in a year or so, and my fave wrestlers have always been 234 (Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, etc!) Ha, just a nice mental number I suppose!

cthal13
10-27-2009, 11:24 PM
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Ivankannan
10-27-2009, 11:54 PM
Did you just pick a random # in the 200's to be your goal? (srs)

:P

LOL! Good observation!

cthal13
10-28-2009, 01:21 AM
"Ha nope! I'm going to pro wrestling school in a year or so, and my fave wrestlers have always been 234 (Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, etc!) Ha, just a nice mental number I suppose!"

itsaburgerrun
10-28-2009, 03:23 AM
try lyle mcdonals diet ? it's pretty harsh but for e short time it's rlly good(u cant do that diet for extended periods of time)

it's basicly train 2-3 times a week MAX/ NO CARDIO / eat about 1.25x ur LBM in protein no carbs just veggies/get in EFA's/eat about 800-1200 calls daily(with ur weight ur at about 800 calls i think)

so thats a huge deficit yeah but ur only gonna do this for about 2 weeks or so with 1x refeed weekly.if u want to do a short quick cut do something like this for 3 weeks or so.
fastest way imo if u want to get to bulking asap.

u can find his book easily on google i found it with a rapidshare link it's rlly good explains alot things

gabster21
10-28-2009, 04:34 AM
Do what I do, bulk for 2 months and cut for 1, repeat. You'll keep gaining size in the long haul wile keeping bf levels low.

MDPower75
10-28-2009, 05:13 AM
If you want to be 234 in a couple of years then you're talking about gaining 66 pounds.....that's a lot of weight. Why are you here typing instead of making a sandwich?

Seriously! Start eating!

itsaburgerrun
10-28-2009, 05:52 AM
also 230 lbs as a natural at a very low bf% seems quite hard and not even a long term goal like 2-3 years :p

cthal13
10-28-2009, 06:58 AM
Do what I do, bulk for 2 months and cut for 1, repeat. You'll keep gaining size in the long haul wile keeping bf levels low.

Do I just go straight from a bulk to a cut, or do I do a maintain in the middle?

phal
10-28-2009, 07:07 AM
Do I just go straight from a bulk to a cut, or do I do a maintain in the middle?

I'd just up calories 200 - 300 per week until weight gain happens/is at an acceptable rate, rather than full blown 'bulk.'

itsaburgerrun
10-28-2009, 07:15 AM
some people say if they up calls to quickly they see fat gain.dunno if this is a proven fact but i doubt it.

if u KNOW at what calls u gain then start eating right away and adjust it according to what u see

cthal13
10-28-2009, 07:17 AM
Also, I don't expect to be totally shredded, though as close to that as possible would be nice.

I was thinking along these lines, as these guys are 234-ish...

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/b/brethart/63.jpg
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/s/shawnmichaels/23.jpg

cthal13
10-28-2009, 07:34 AM
I'd just up calories 200 - 300 per week until weight gain happens/is at an acceptable rate, rather than full blown 'bulk.'

So if I'm cutting, at like -500 calories, say 1800, I start eating 2100, or something like 2400?

itsaburgerrun
10-28-2009, 07:51 AM
go strait to maintaining and up from there by 300

PickItUp
10-28-2009, 08:02 AM
also 230 lbs as a natural at a very low bf% seems quite hard and not even a long term goal like 2-3 years :p

Agreed! OP has some lofty goals.

Maybe 200lbs lean in 2-3 years. Getting to 234lbs lean will take OP probably 5 years or more (unless he juices)

itsaburgerrun
10-28-2009, 08:39 AM
i looked at the pictures(they look damn gay good thing noone walked in)
and they look quite lean like 12-13% but still eating enormous amounts of food will get u there(240lbs) in 2 years of bulking.still bodyfat wont be low though :p

cthal13
10-28-2009, 06:20 PM
So if I bulk for 2 months, then cut for 1, do I have a maintain week or two, or go right back to a bulking amount of calories?

cthal13
10-29-2009, 08:10 AM
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KurtyJ99
10-29-2009, 08:15 AM
Hey guys, I've been slacking on my diet lately, and have gained some body fat. However, I'd also like to increase my muscle as a long term goal, but I don't want to get real fat doing it. Specifically, I'm 168lbs now, and my eventual 2-3 year goal is to be 234lbs. So I thought that I'd go a few weeks on a maintain, clean diet, then a few weeks cutting, then go back to a maintain, then start a slow bulk, like +250 calories. Anyone have any suggestions/critiques for these ideas?

Typically just diet food, but alot more of it.