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all pro
08-24-2009, 01:17 PM
_rRE5UK6NQU

One More Time
08-24-2009, 01:21 PM
_rRE5UK6NQU

I saw that earlier today and lolded.

Onebadgtx
08-24-2009, 01:23 PM
I saw that earlier today and lolded.

Yeah - I saw that on AR15.com. Badass video.

RedSoxfan1978
08-24-2009, 01:26 PM
Epic and ALPHA!!!

God bless the USMC !

slatimer88
08-24-2009, 01:27 PM
I'm sure this will be on the major networks later.

IraHays
08-24-2009, 01:29 PM
Is there a full clip with the response?

all pro
08-24-2009, 01:32 PM
Epic and ALPHA!!!

God bless the USMC !

The congressman never knew what hit him. The attack was fast and deadly. That marine is still standing tall.

all pro
08-24-2009, 01:33 PM
Is there a full clip with the response?

There was no response.

r0gue6
08-24-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm glad all my friends in the military aren't this daft.

Everything he said, was one big retarded cliche.

One More Time
08-24-2009, 01:33 PM
The congressman never knew what hit him. The attack was fast and deadly. That marine is still standing tall.

I don't know about you, but I am certain he was planted.

all pro
08-24-2009, 01:39 PM
I don't know about you, but I am certain he was planted.

He was planted by the USMC and delivered to the town hall meeting by Nutsy and his friends. I wasn't trained for this type of warfare. I feel cheated!

Nagalfar
08-24-2009, 01:40 PM
I guess I am one of those racist brown shirt astroturf kinda guys as they are called.. I enjoyed the hell out of that clip!

IraHays
08-24-2009, 01:41 PM
I'm glad all my friends in the military aren't this daft.

Everything he said, was one big retarded cliche.


Weren't you just in the George Carlin thread praising him for what he said about the government?

lulz.

r0gue6
08-24-2009, 01:42 PM
Weren't you just in the George Carlin thread praising him for what he said about the government?

lulz.

Carlin was intelligent.

IraHays
08-24-2009, 01:45 PM
Carlin was intelligent.


I love how you liberals try to act so intelligent and "enlightened". Carlin basically is saying what the Marine did about the govenrment but you have been programmed to think "Calrlin = good liberal" and "Marine = brainwashed neo-con."

What a f*cking joke. And you guys don't even realize you do it.

Kane_89
08-24-2009, 01:48 PM
brb speaking out against government when my guy is out, but keeping quiet when my guy is in.

amirite?

makavelli1988
08-24-2009, 01:56 PM
lol he just said that the Nazis were leftist. i m still loling.

T150
08-24-2009, 01:58 PM
brb speaking out against government when my guy is out, but keeping quiet when my guy is in.

amirite?

Typed the words right outta my head. I wasn't going to bother, of course.

It would be nice to think that the overwhelming majority of this outrage is coming from libertarians saying "i told you so" for the last 9 years, but we all know this isn't the case.

ghengisconor
08-24-2009, 01:58 PM
lol he just said that the Nazis were leftist. i m still loling.

national socialist fail.

IraHays
08-24-2009, 01:58 PM
lol he just said that the Nazis were leftist. i m still loling.


Why? You think the Nazi's more resembled a small central government or a gigantic central government running everything from education to heath care and banning guns?

r0gue6
08-24-2009, 02:00 PM
Why? You think the Nazi's more resembled a small central government or a gigantic central government running everything from education to heath care and banning guns?

The ignorance is strong with this one!

all pro
08-24-2009, 02:00 PM
lol he just said that the Nazis were leftist. i m still loling.

The name of Hitler's political party was the National SOCIALIST Party. The jokes on you. Totalitarianism is leftist. Anarchy is extreme right.
Still laughing?

IraHays
08-24-2009, 02:02 PM
The ignorance is strong with this one!


So I'm guessing you really can't answer the question?

Do you really know anything about the Nazi party?

Nagalfar
08-24-2009, 02:03 PM
The name of Hitler's political party was the National SOCIALIST Party. The jokes on you. Totalitarianism is leftist. Anarchy is extreme right.
Still laughing?

That one just might leave a mark... lol

T150
08-24-2009, 02:03 PM
Why? You think the Nazi's more resembled a small central government or a gigantic central government running everything from education to heath care and banning guns?

Since when has left/right been soley measured in terms of small/big government.

ghengisconor
08-24-2009, 02:03 PM
So I'm guessing you really can't answer the question?

Do you really know anything about the Nazi party?

no. which is why he's bound to repeat thier transgressions.

IraHays
08-24-2009, 02:04 PM
Since when has left/right been soley measured in terms of small/big government.


Up until about 8 years ago.

makavelli1988
08-24-2009, 02:12 PM
Why? You think the Nazi's more resembled a small central government or a gigantic central government running everything from education to heath care and banning guns?

of course i m not denying the Nazis didnt incorporate some left policies. in truth, there isnt much difference between a far left, or a far right dictatorship. just look at the book 1984 which points that out. this is reffered to as the Horseshoe theory

The Nazi's fascist policies and their war against communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, makes takes them to the far right.

makavelli1988
08-24-2009, 02:17 PM
The name of Hitler's political party was the National SOCIALIST Party. The jokes on you. Totalitarianism is leftist. Anarchy is extreme right.
Still laughing?

So what if they called themselves the National Socialists? The UK has the Labour party, but there almost to the right as the conservatives. Democrats and Republicans both have different names, they are however both essentially the same.

lol, totalitarianism can exist in the extreme right, while anarchism can also occur in the left. do you actually know what those terms mean?

IraHays
08-24-2009, 02:21 PM
The Nazi's fascist policies and their war against communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, makes takes them to the far right.

Generally most people would associate the "far right" with strong individual freedoms.

No way the Nazi party comes even close. To say they are more associated with the right because of the "war against communism" is pretty lazy. The Nazi party was as "commy" as any country could get. Unelected leader, plans to eliminate religion, persecution of Jews, gun control, government take over of private business, ect.

What is your definition of "far right"????

all pro
08-24-2009, 02:30 PM
of course i m not denying the Nazis didnt incorporate some left policies. in truth, there isnt much difference between a far left, or a far right dictatorship. just look at the book 1984 which points that out. this is reffered to as the Horseshoe theory

The Nazi's fascist policies and their war against communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, makes takes them to the far right.
There's no such thing as a far right dictatorship. That's a contradiction in terms.
Totalitarianism is leftist. Anarchy is extreme right.
National socialism = fascism. It doesn't matter what cause is being championed. The result is always the same. Spin it any way you like.

Kane_89
08-24-2009, 02:35 PM
lol lets stop talking about Nazis and lets stay on topic....

like how this guy is all of a sudden interested in talking about the Constitution after 8 yrs.

amirite?

drjjg
08-24-2009, 02:36 PM
brb speaking out against government when my guy is out, but keeping quiet when my guy is in.

amirite?

this

gjohnson5
08-24-2009, 02:50 PM
Generally most people would associate the "far right" with strong individual freedoms.



LOL @ most people
The ones that do need an education also

gjohnson5
08-24-2009, 02:52 PM
lol, totalitarianism can exist in the extreme right, while anarchism can also occur in the left. do you actually know what those terms mean?

No he doesn't

Stizzel
08-24-2009, 02:58 PM
socialists and fascists are central planners
socialists and fascists are authoritarians

Those are the two points of greatest concern, with both, so as you can see the distinction is blurred. No, they're not technically the same thing but especially in the beginning of a fascist regime, arguing the difference is academic. A socialist will centrally plan for the direct good of them majority, a fascist will centrally plan for the direct good of whatever corporations truely run that government.

The problem is fascists, like the Nazis, always start out pretending to be anti establishment leftists.

For those of us that are pro liberty rather than pro authoritarianism, and pro freedom rather than pro central planning, its more difficult to make the distinction, I think. Or at least, its more of a waste of time to us.

all pro
08-24-2009, 03:05 PM
socialists and fascists are central planners
socialists and fascists are authoritarians

those are the two points of greatest concern, with both, so as you can see the distinction is blurred. No, they're not technically the same thing but especially in the beginning of a fascist regime, arguing the difference is academic. A socialist will centrally plan for the direct good of them majority, a fascist will centrally plan for the direct good of whatever corporations truely run that government.

The problem is fascists, like the nazis, always start out pretending to be anti establishment leftists.

For those of us that are pro liberty rather than pro authoritarianism, and pro freedom rather than pro central planning, its more difficult to make the distinction, i think. or at least, its more of a waste of time to us.
amen!

Stizzel
08-24-2009, 03:10 PM
amen!

I wonder why, when we're bombared with information about how evil Hitler was, we never learned about the corporations that were pulling his strings?

Maybe because so many of them were British and American?

all pro
08-24-2009, 03:15 PM
I wonder why, when we're bombared with information about how evil Hitler was, we never learned about the corporations that were pulling his strings?

Maybe because so many of them were British and American?

Shhhhh!
The next thing you know you'll be telling the whole world that our own money is funding our debt slavery and the take over of our representative republic through the federal reserve. Shush!

r0gue6
08-24-2009, 03:23 PM
Hitler took a broken and destroyed economy, and turned Germany into a powerhouse.

Sounds good to me. Too bad he hated the Jews so much.

Stizzel
08-24-2009, 03:29 PM
Hitler took a broken and destroyed economy, and turned Germany into a powerhouse.

Sounds good to me. Too bad he hated the Jews so much.

Well, fascism was no cake walk for the Germans either. If you think it was only Jews being carted away, you need to do some more reading. But its good that you're coming out of the closet about being pro fascism.

r0gue6
08-24-2009, 03:32 PM
Well, fascism was no cake walk for the Germans either. If you think it was only Jews being carted away, you need to do some more reading. But its good that you're coming out of the closet about being pro fascism.

Straw man much.

Yes, I know how the holocaust worked.

Still doesn't change the fact that Hitler created a great country from crap.

makavelli1988
08-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Straw man much.

Yes, I know how the holocaust worked.

Still doesn't change the fact that Hitler created a great country from crap.

and his LEGAL ascendancy to Fuhrer was ingenious and one of the greatest political stratagems attempted.

The holocaust doesnt take away from his political cunning.

In before being called fascist, nazi, anti-semite etc...

ghengisconor
08-24-2009, 03:42 PM
Straw man much.

Yes, I know how the holocaust worked.

Still doesn't change the fact that Hitler created a great country from crap.

you promise hope and change to a demoralized people and they'll follow you to whatever hell you choose to walk towards.

Stizzel
08-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Straw man much.

Yes, I know how the holocaust worked.

Still doesn't change the fact that Hitler created a great country from crap.

Again, its great to see you coming out of the closet. Your reference to an authoritarian police state the likes of which the world has never seen outside of soviet Russia as a 'great country' is a step in the right direction.

Even without the concentration camps, Hitler's Germany was a nightmare of secret murders, domestic surveillance, and the proverbial jack boot stepping on the throat of freedom and humanity in general. Those of us of a pro liberty weal would consider this a horrid example of society regardless of whether or not the people living there were starving.

If only more O-bots had your level of honest. What is freedom compared to prosperity, right? I commend you, sir.

TT4life
08-24-2009, 03:58 PM
There's no such thing as a far right dictatorship. That's a contradiction in terms.
Totalitarianism is leftist. Anarchy is extreme right.
National socialism = fascism. It doesn't matter what cause is being championed. The result is always the same. Spin it any way you like.


x1000


Here is a video that explains this...


y43a6BsNQb4

r0gue6
08-24-2009, 04:00 PM
Again, its great to see you coming out of the closet. Your reference to an authoritarian police state the likes of which the world has never seen outside of soviet Russia as a 'great country' is a step in the right direction.

Even without the concentration camps, Hitler's Germany was a nightmare of secret murders, domestic surveillance, and the proverbial jack boot stepping on the throat of freedom and humanity in general. Those of us of a pro liberty weal would consider this a horrid example of society regardless of whether or not the people living there were starving.

If only more O-bots had your level of honest. What is freedom compared to prosperity, right? I commend you, sir.

You just continued the Straw Man that I called you out on.

you sir, have no shame in your game.

all pro
08-24-2009, 04:41 PM
x1000


Here is a video that explains this...


y43a6BsNQb4

Good video and it's explained so simply that even Obama supporters can understand it.

HELIX35
08-24-2009, 04:50 PM
lol lets stop talking about Nazis and lets stay on topic....

like how this guy is all of a sudden interested in talking about the Constitution after 8 yrs.

amirite?

Standard boxed obot response.


-completely ignore the topic
-defend obama under absolutely any circumstance
-insult, personally attack, and slander

SomeRandomName
08-24-2009, 04:52 PM
Again, its great to see you coming out of the closet. Your reference to an authoritarian police state the likes of which the world has never seen outside of soviet Russia as a 'great country' is a step in the right direction.

Even without the concentration camps, Hitler's Germany was a nightmare of secret murders, domestic surveillance, and the proverbial jack boot stepping on the throat of freedom and humanity in general. Those of us of a pro liberty weal would consider this a horrid example of society regardless of whether or not the people living there were starving.
You can't deny the fact that Hitler was a political genius and a charismatic leader who executed his ploy perfectly. Also, while perhaps "great" would be the wrong adjective, nazi Germany accomplished many things in short amounts of time that would otherwise have taken a while. It just so happened that it was due to a runup to a massive war.

Jimmy_Hollywood
08-24-2009, 05:35 PM
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6157/polspect.png

Stizzel
08-24-2009, 06:13 PM
You can't deny the fact that Hitler was a political genius and a charismatic leader who executed his ploy perfectly. Also, while perhaps "great" would be the wrong adjective, nazi Germany accomplished many things in short amounts of time that would otherwise have taken a while. It just so happened that it was due to a runup to a massive war.

Nope, no denying it, I just don't see what your point is.

NorwichGrad
08-24-2009, 06:13 PM
Out FREAKIN' standing, MARINE! I wish to give you a thousand Army HOOAHS. (I would say "Semper Fi", but I did not earn the right to say it.)


Molon Labe and God Help America.

VAPlowhorse
08-24-2009, 06:24 PM
Generally most people would associate the "far right" with strong individual freedoms.

What country is that in?

Nazi's were fascists.

And the whole right supporting individual freedoms is retarded. Individual freedom based systems fall closer to the anarchy end of the authoritarian-anarchy scale and would most likely be more free market than socialist. The left-right dilemma is one of the biggest illusions in politics. The right values economic but not so much personal freedom, the left wants all your money and isn't too crazy about some of those personal freedoms as well.

hvillpimp524
08-24-2009, 06:26 PM
Alpha video of alpha Marine being alpha is alpha ;)

Kane_89
08-24-2009, 06:51 PM
Standard boxed obot response.


-completely ignore the topic
-defend obama under absolutely any circumstance
-insult, personally attack, and slander

You know it and I know it.....but you'll just ignore it anyway. ;)

You know about these partisan games.

Youre smart enough to know that all of the protestors and the ones who mention the Constitution 10x a day and how its being destroyed and America is being taken over....Were Silent when "their guy" was doing damage to the country and its image.

Where were the violent protest when Bush said that the Constitution was "just a goddamn piece of paper!" ????

The right was silent through all of Bush's fuk-ups and unconstitutionality.

If Obama wouldve said that, Limbaugh, Hannity, and the rest of the neo-cons would mob up and storm the White House.

But why was there so much peace and quiet from the right? could you explain this one to me? You already know why, but you just dont want to say it.

It's because its "our guy" "his guy". The same thing thats happening on the Left, was the same thing that was happening on the right.

When Obama fuks up....the right protest, bitch and cry, shout about the Constitution all day, call for impeachment etc....But what do you see the Left doing??....They are Silent

When Bush fuked up.....the left protested the war, shouted about the Constitution all day, called for impeachment etc....and what were the Right doing?.....They were SILENT!

They stayed in their houses and kept their mouths shut because "their guy" was in office.

So whenever I see these protest from the right, its nothing but a joke to me, dont tell me that its a dangerous time in America and our Constitution is being threatened because If you cared about the Constitution so much, You would protest the actions of the President no matter who was in office!

Kane_89
08-24-2009, 07:23 PM
But of course, when you have idiots like beck and hannity spewing their bull****, You have their brainwashed followers saying retarded things like....

"Get yerrr guvernment hands off ma Medicare!!" :mad:
(medicare is a government program btw)

LOL its so pathetic, that is its sad, its like they think that theyre informed, when in fact, their IQ has actually lowered.

Reminds me of the trolls (juandenver, allpro) who wait for FOX to feed them their "knowledge" and will follow their party right off the cliff...no matter what happens.

/rant.

markymark69
08-24-2009, 07:40 PM
But of course, when you have idiots like beck and hannity spewing their bull****, You have their brainwashed followers saying retarded things like....

"Get yerrr guvernment hands off ma Medicare!!" :mad:
(medicare is a government program btw)

LOL its so pathetic, that is its sad, its like they think that theyre informed, when in fact, their IQ has actually lowered.

Reminds me of the trolls (juandenver, allpro) who wait for FOX to feed them their "knowledge" and will follow their party right off the cliff...no matter what happens.

/rant.

While I am against the health care bill as it stands, you do have a point.

http://barackobamaexperiment.com/posts/1502


Protect Medicare and not cut it...

TimDF
08-24-2009, 07:41 PM
Awesome video!

Fist-Of-Freedom
08-24-2009, 07:48 PM
A true patriot.

Hats off to this man for his courage.

ElHombre
08-24-2009, 07:49 PM
SEMPER-FI

durrrrrrrrr

Moh7
08-24-2009, 08:00 PM
you know how i know his kids are ganna be idiots?




(no anti marine etc)

Fist-Of-Freedom
08-24-2009, 08:16 PM
you know how i know his kids are ganna be idiots?




(no anti marine etc)
Strong irony.

Bluerain
08-24-2009, 08:21 PM
Good video and it's explained so simply that even Obama supporters can understand it.

I lol'd

trailwarrior
08-24-2009, 08:40 PM
Strong ignorance from OP!


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tUtuQ7cKL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://books.google.com/books?id=i_jTBoeMvqsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22fascists+and+conservatives%22+blinkhorn+cont ents&source=gbs_similarbooks_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

Fascists and Conservatives:
the radical right and the establishment in twentieth-century Europe

Contents

1 Introduction: Allies, rivals, or antagonists? Fascists and conservatives in modern Europe

2 Italian fascism: radical politics and conservative goals

3 Conservative Catholics and Italian fascism: the Clerico-Fascists

4 Conservatives and radical nationalists in Germany: the production of fascist potentials, 1912-28

5 German Conservatives and the Third Reich: an ambiguous relationship

6 Conservatives and fascists in Austria, 1918-34

7 Conservatism, traditionalism and fascism in Spain, 1898-1937

8 Populism and parasitism: the Falange and the Spanish establishment, 1939-75

9 Conservatism, dictatorship and fascism in Portugal, 1914-45

10 The conservative right and the far right in France: the search for power, 1934-44

11 Conservatism, authoritarianism and fascism in Greece, 1915-45

12 Fascists and conservatives in Romania: two generations of nationalists

13 Conservatives and fascists in the Nordic countries: Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland, 1918-45

14 Conservatism and the failure of fascism in interwar Britain

view online... (http://books.google.com/books?id=i_jTBoeMvqsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22fascists+and+conservatives%22+blinkhorn+cont ents&source=gbs_similarbooks_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

Stizzel
08-24-2009, 08:44 PM
Hearing those people cheer was very heartwarming

jafomofo
08-24-2009, 08:59 PM
Hearing those people cheer was very heartwarming

pandering to the lowest common denominator is frequently met with applause, rarely does it warm the heart though, this is a special day.

Stizzel
08-25-2009, 08:54 AM
pandering to the lowest common denominator is frequently met with applause, rarely does it warm the heart though, this is a special day.

How is standing up for your rights pandering?

gjohnson5
08-25-2009, 10:05 AM
While I am against the health care bill as it stands, you do have a point.

http://barackobamaexperiment.com/posts/1502

Medicare as it sands are mostly government regulation put on insurance companies that sell private insurance.
I guess I don't see how Medicare is 'government run'
The HI 'trust fund' is government run

Medicare A, B and D plans can be bought at most any insurance company , just like individual or group health insurance policies
The private insurance company still manage how that private insurance company is to be run

IraHays
08-25-2009, 10:05 AM
Nazi's were fascists..


Yeah, that's kind of the point, they weren't right wing.



And the whole right supporting individual freedoms is retarded...... The right values economic but not so much personal freedom, the left wants all your money and isn't too crazy about some of those personal freedoms as well.

You can't have personal freedoms without economic freedom. Once you understand this, you will know why the left wing is more associated with authortarian governments.

_DoWorkSon_
08-25-2009, 11:33 AM
I'm glad all my friends in the military aren't this daft.

Everything he said, was one big retarded cliche.


Those big retarded cliches are awesome! I hear you can win campaigns with them!

Fist-Of-Freedom
08-25-2009, 11:39 AM
Yeah, that's kind of the point, they weren't right wing.


.

Yes, they were right wing. You are wrong.

IraHays
08-25-2009, 11:41 AM
Yes, they were right wing. You are wrong.

Many people disagree with you.

Spetsnazos
08-25-2009, 11:52 AM
um my friend whos in Force Recon(Marines) is ashamed of this retard. He sets a bad example for the intelligent marines.

all pro
08-25-2009, 11:56 AM
um my friend whos in Force Recon(Marines) is ashamed of this retard. He sets a bad example for the intelligent marines.

LOL at your friend in the Cuban marine corps.

all pro
08-25-2009, 12:03 PM
Strong ignorance from OP!



Blah-Blah-Blah

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p173/allpro18/liberalfascismflag.jpg

"Originally being a fascist meant you were a right-wing socialist, and the problem is that we've incorporated these European understandings of things and then just dropped the socialist. In the American context fascists get called right-wingers even though there is almost no prominent fascist leader -- starting with Mussolini and Hitler -- who if you actually went about and looked at their economic programs, or to a certain extent their social program, where you would locate most if not all of those ideas on the ideological left in the American context."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/11/goldberg/

r0gue6
08-25-2009, 12:47 PM
um my friend whos in Force Recon(Marines) is ashamed of this retard. He sets a bad example for the intelligent marines.

Same with my friend currently in Iraq.

kantutero
08-25-2009, 04:10 PM
durrrrrrrrr

^^^^This guy is a homo. He has AIDS. Stay away.

Nagalfar
08-25-2009, 04:16 PM
durrrrrrrrr

Is there a problem with the Corps? or are you just learning how to speak?

VAPlowhorse
08-25-2009, 04:24 PM
Yeah, that's kind of the point, they weren't right wing.



You can't have personal freedoms without economic freedom. Once you understand this, you will know why the left wing is more associated with authortarian governments.

This discussion was picked up in US Patriot's new thread.

Right wing governments can also be closely associated with authoritarianism. Using modern context of left and right makes it impossible to accurately say what examples in the past mean. If you really want to continue this dead end road, then one could link the Nazi's to the modern American right wing in the their promotion of government based discrimination, but again, the situations become too different to make the comparison.

The Nazis were just that, Nazis, neither left or right wing in the 21st century state of American politics.

Zordon
08-25-2009, 04:42 PM
yeehaw white power


brb, killing civilians

HELIX35
08-25-2009, 04:49 PM
um my friend whos in Force Recon(Marines) is ashamed of this retard. He sets a bad example for the intelligent marines.


Same with my friend currently in Iraq.

Lmao, of course you do.

My friend who's a 4 star General agrees with him. See? I can make stuff up too.

Stizzel
08-25-2009, 04:57 PM
Lmao, of course you do.

My friend who's a 4 star General agrees with him. See? I can make stuff up too.

I can vouch for Spetz, he does have a friend in force recon. The only thing is, for whatever reason, you military guys tend to sing a very different tune as soon as you're out of the service.

HELIX35
08-25-2009, 05:03 PM
I can vouch for Spetz, he does have a friend in force recon. The only thing is, for whatever reason, you military guys tend to sing a very different tune as soon as you're out of the service.

What tune would that be?

Stizzel
08-25-2009, 05:08 PM
What tune would that be?

Depends on the person.

Edit: Don't think I'm one of those people that sees people in the military as brainwashed drones. Its just been my experience that peoples' perspective seems to change once they get out. All of my cousins that were in the marines were like that.

ElHombre
08-25-2009, 05:12 PM
Is there a problem with the Corps? or are you just learning how to speak?

Not at all. I almost joined the Marine Corps myself after high school, and up until sophomore year of college I was set on joining post-grad. I have two buddies from high school currently serving, and one of my great uncles served in WW2. So no, I don't have a problem with the USMC.

I just can't stand "semper fi!" being shouted at times when it's not appropriate.

Skunk
08-25-2009, 05:20 PM
Not at all. I almost joined the Marine Corps myself after high school, and up until sophomore year of college I was set on joining post-grad. I have two buddies from high school currently serving, and one of my great uncles served in WW2. So no, I don't have a problem with the USMC.

I just can't stand "semper fi!" being shouted at times when it's not appropriate.

I guess I owe you some reps then after that neg haha

Nagalfar
08-25-2009, 05:30 PM
Not at all. I almost joined the Marine Corps myself after high school, and up until sophomore year of college I was set on joining post-grad. I have two buddies from high school currently serving, and one of my great uncles served in WW2. So no, I don't have a problem with the USMC.

I just can't stand "semper fi!" being shouted at times when it's not appropriate.

I agree you dont understand...

NorwichGrad
08-26-2009, 06:40 AM
Not at all. I almost joined the Marine Corps myself after high school, and up until sophomore year of college I was set on joining post-grad.

ROFLMAO. Yeah.. Whatever, dude.

I laugh at people who say, "I almost joined the (fill in the blank whatever branch of service), BUT (fill in the lamest excuse on earth)."

There are two types of American Men: Those who honorably serve their country, and those who have an excuse as to why they did not serve (but almost served).

I have a lot more respect for those civilians who choose not to serve, and at least are man enough to admit why they don't want to serve, versus those who have an excuse and pretend they wanted to serve but didn't.

"Cowards die many times before their death; the valiant never taste of death but once."

That's Shakespearean $hit, brah!

derf87
08-26-2009, 07:50 AM
"The nazi party was a leftist party?"


lol wat. Yes, it was called the nation "socialist" party, but that's a misnomer. In fact, one of their biggest enemies was communism. The Nazi party was very, very far to the right.

r0gue6
08-26-2009, 08:14 AM
Lmao, of course you do.

My friend who's a 4 star General agrees with him. See? I can make stuff up too.

Except I have multiple family members and friends in Iraq and none of them are as nutty as this guy.

Stizzel
08-26-2009, 08:58 AM
Except I have multiple family members and friends in Iraq and none of them are as nutty as this guy.

What did he say that was crazy?

He said the government doesn't run his life, and that the Nazis this bureacrat douchebag compared him to were central planners.

Or was it just his tone? Do liberals now think its crazy to get angry about losing one's rights?

Actually, considering your post history you're probably just upset that this guy is speaking against the possibility of a 'great' fascist system.

kel_varnsen
08-26-2009, 09:12 AM
so what was his point tbh? that he's an ex marine bad ass who doesn't like the government? first of all, pretty much his entire life is controlled/influenced by the government through various means and aspects. (not just his, everyone's). secondly, why is this debate over principles (government's influence) showing up now? in a health care debate? after the federal government has grown rapidly for decades...

Stizzel
08-26-2009, 09:27 AM
so what was his point tbh? that he's an ex marine bad ass who doesn't like the government? first of all, pretty much his entire life is controlled/influenced by the government through various means and aspects.

His point seemed obvious to me. He's finding a place to draw the line.


(not just his, everyone's). secondly, why is this debate over principles (government's influence) showing up now? in a health care debate? after the federal government has grown rapidly for decades...

Most people have a point at which they'll put their foot down and say enough is enough. A collapsing economy helps bring that time around sooner rather than later.

TallDH
08-26-2009, 09:32 AM
so what was his point tbh? that he's an ex marine bad ass who doesn't like the government? first of all, pretty much his entire life is controlled/influenced by the government through various means and aspects. (not just his, everyone's). secondly, why is this debate over principles (government's influence) showing up now? in a health care debate? after the federal government has grown rapidly for decades...

Because people are just now starting to wake up and realize that big government = bad for them? They are realizing that the more the government controls, the fewer things they are "allowed" to do.

Heck, people here in the South were buying up guns like the Apocalypse was right around the corner pre-election.

Of course, I bought an AK and SKS. Fun to shoot and burns through some ammo.

Then again, I'm one of the "terrorist right-wingers(?)" who wrote in Ron Paul and believes the government should be cut by 3/4 it's size.

kel_varnsen
08-26-2009, 09:36 AM
Because people are just now starting to wake up and realize that big government = bad for them? They are realizing that the more the government controls, the fewer things they are "allowed" to do.

Heck, people here in the South were buying up guns like the Apocalypse was right around the corner pre-election.

Of course, I bought an AK and SKS. Fun to shoot and burns through some ammo.

Then again, I'm one of the "terrorist right-wingers(?)" who wrote in Ron Paul and believes the government should be cut by 3/4 it's size.

really? so expanding health care to include those who aren't insured is what made people wake up and realize government is bad?

Stizzel
08-26-2009, 09:41 AM
really? so expanding health care to include those who aren't insured is what made people wake up and realize government is bad?

Wow

Did you even watch the video?

r0gue6
08-26-2009, 09:43 AM
Enough is enough when it's not a Republican in charge.

Us lefties protest wars, and the Patriot Act.

Righties protest Health Care, and Social Services.

I definitely feel I'm on the right side of the fence, although a lot of the systems can be improved, especially with all the fraud occurring.

kel_varnsen
08-26-2009, 09:47 AM
Wow

Did you even watch the video?

yes and here is the quote i refered to(post i answered):
Because people are just now starting to wake up and realize that big government = bad for them?

that means, expanding health care to uninsured is supposedly what has made "people wake up"? there's a lot of debate regarding the details in the health care plan, but that was the main idea. to expand health care to uninsured americans.

Stizzel
08-26-2009, 09:55 AM
yes and here is the quote i refered to(post i answered):
Because people are just now starting to wake up and realize that big government = bad for them?

that means, expanding health care to uninsured is supposedly what has made "people wake up"? there's a lot of debate regarding the details in the health care plan, but that was the main idea. to expand health care to uninsured americans.

The guy clearly doesn't have a problem with getting people the health care they need. He has a problem with the government stepping on his rights to do so.

This is why this country is f***ed. People like you can't acknowledge the overall harm caused by central planning and you don't give a damn about its immorality. The left has disappointed me greatly by doing an absolute 180 from all their ranting and raving about fighting for liberty during the Bush era. Now that there's a D expanding government tyranny, the leftist protest machine has been shut off. You guys don't give a crap about principals, just partisanship.

Its hard to tell where this guy is coming from entirely from just this video. Its likely that health care is simply the issue of the day, so thats the subject he's bringing up. If you don't have a problem with robing this man to use his money to not only fund something he objects to, but to strip his individual freedom, I hope you're willing to accept the same in 2012 if another Bush gets elected.

TallDH
08-26-2009, 09:57 AM
really? so expanding health care to include those who aren't insured is what made people wake up and realize government is bad?

Sure.

Let's look for a moment at just how much it will cost. We are already in more debt than we could possibly pay off in my lifetime and my grandchildren's lifetime.

Projected to cost $1.5 trillion/yr. Obviously, it will cost more than that. Unless you're absolutely brain dead, you can't possibly think it won't.

As to you rogue, I don't owe anyone anything. I shouldn't have to pay out of my pocket to support some lazy bottom-feeder who doesn't want to get a job flipping burgers in order to get health insurance. I'm a 22 year-old college student working part-time and I can afford my own health insurance. Then again, I was without insurance for almost a year when my business went under due to the economy crashing.

You want to see what health care will be like if it is under government control. Take a gander at the Post Office. They are hurting very bad.

Take personal responsibility for yourself. Quit ****ing relying on someone else to take care of you.

kel_varnsen
08-26-2009, 10:01 AM
Sure.

Let's look for a moment at just how much it will cost. We are already in more debt than we could possibly pay off in my lifetime and my grandchildren's lifetime.

Projected to cost $1.5 trillion/yr. Obviously, it will cost more than that. Unless you're absolutely brain dead, you can't possibly think it won't.

As to you rogue, I don't owe anyone anything. I shouldn't have to pay out of my pocket to support some lazy bottom-feeder who doesn't want to get a job flipping burgers in order to get health insurance. I'm a 22 year-old college student working part-time and I can afford my own health insurance. Then again, I was without insurance for almost a year when my business went under due to the economy crashing.

You want to see what health care will be like if it is under government control. Take a gander at the Post Office. They are hurting very bad.

Take personal responsibility for yourself. Quit ****ing relying on someone else to take care of you.

so it's not a matter of principle after all, but costs? well fine. the cost argument is an odd one. firstly, because the us already has the most expensive health care system in the industrialized world. secondly, having a healthy work force improves productivity. one can not look at the costs of the health care system completely isolated. in economics, everything is connected to everything.

secondly, are you arguing against taxes in general now?

Nagalfar
08-26-2009, 10:03 AM
Sure.

Let's look for a moment at just how much it will cost. We are already in more debt than we could possibly pay off in my lifetime and my grandchildren's lifetime.

Projected to cost $1.5 trillion/yr. Obviously, it will cost more than that. Unless you're absolutely brain dead, you can't possibly think it won't.

As to you rogue, I don't owe anyone anything. I shouldn't have to pay out of my pocket to support some lazy bottom-feeder who doesn't want to get a job flipping burgers in order to get health insurance. I'm a 22 year-old college student working part-time and I can afford my own health insurance. Then again, I was without insurance for almost a year when my business went under due to the economy crashing.

You want to see what health care will be like if it is under government control. Take a gander at the Post Office. They are hurting very bad.

Take personal responsibility for yourself. Quit ****ing relying on someone else to take care of you.

You forgot HUD and countless other Govt. failures.. but your dead on, personal responsibly is what it is all about.

TallDH
08-26-2009, 10:04 AM
so it's not a matter of principle after all, but costs? well fine. the cost argument is an odd one. firstly, because the us already has the most expensive health care system in the industrialized world. secondly, having a healthy work force improves productivity. one can not look at the costs of the health care system completely isolated. in economics, everything is connected to everything.

secondly, are you arguing against taxes in general now?

"Let's look for a moment at just how much it will cost. We are already in more debt than we could possibly pay off in my lifetime and my grandchildren's lifetime.

Projected to cost $1.5 trillion/yr. Obviously, it will cost more than that. Unless you're absolutely brain dead, you can't possibly think it won't."

I felt the need to quote myself. Answers you're post quite well.

I'm also arguing against the government having an even larger role in health care than it already does.

EDIT to answer your second part:

Yes, I am in fact against taxes. We should not have to pay half, or more, of our paychecks to the government because they can't control the spending.

TallDH
08-26-2009, 10:06 AM
You forgot HUD and countless other Govt. failures.. but your dead on, personal responsibly is what it is all about.

Meh, I just wanted to point out an obvious one people can't say they have never heard of.