View Full Version : How can people still believe that a purely socialistic or communistic society works?

02-18-2009, 08:55 AM
Thomas More said this 500 + years ago:

"I don't believe you'd ever have a reasonable standard of living under a communist system. There'd always tend to be shortages, because nobody would work hard enough. In the absence of a profit motive, everyone would become lazy, and rely on everyone else to do the work for him. Then, when things really got short, the inevitable result would be a series of murders and riots, since nobody would have any legal method of protecting the products of his own labor - especially as there wouldn't be any respect for authority, or I don't see how there could be, in a classless society."

I once had a guy with a Ph.d in sociology tell me that real communism is great; and that the world had never seen "real communism," just corrupt forms of it.

I think he is right in terms of no "true" communist society existing (I'm no history expert), but I fail to see how the Communistic "ideal society" would address the things More brought up in the above quote:

*If no one has property rights, or restricted property rights (high income tax) where is the incentive to work?

*If everything just belongs to the government, where is the incentive to innovate and improve things for yourself or anyone else - isn't that the government's job?

I think anything that leads us down a path that abolishes our property rights and leads to dependence on government handouts is a bad thing, no matter what the cause.

Argentina is my first witness here: http://www.rcwhalen.com/_articles/barrons_argentinas_failure_could_be_contagious.asp

02-18-2009, 09:00 AM
he is 100% correct, no wonder why the friends I have that are lazy just happen to be liberal

02-18-2009, 09:01 AM
Communism is only maintained through excessive military spending as well to quell the masses.

Think the US has large military expenditures? Try quadrupling that number if the US were communist.

02-18-2009, 09:44 AM
bump for communist loonies

02-18-2009, 09:54 AM
Well, a purely communist society would work if everyone was purely altruistic. Being rational, you would have to conlude that people will never reach that, thus your economic system would have to account for that fact, thus capitalism.