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bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:03 AM
Yes, I am going to eat at least 7k calories. I will be running a cycle. Could you tell me how my macros look.

Thanks everyone.

Calories = 7,642

Fat= 287 grams
63 saturated
26 polyun
116 monous

Carbs= 632

Protein=635


I want to bulk up with only slight fat gain.

Obnoxious123
01-18-2009, 01:05 AM
i think you will gain a large amount of fat....unless your like 8 feet tall

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:06 AM
i think you will gain a large amount of fat....unless your like 8 feet tall

care to elaborate or explain your reasoning?

Opies
01-18-2009, 01:06 AM
more is not always better... and while I'm not one to say protein can ever be bad for you, eating 635g of it probably is

Opies
01-18-2009, 01:07 AM
care to elaborate or explain your reasoning?

Eating ~3500 calories over your maintenance means you are going to gain 1lb a day whether you like it or not. Since you can't build more than 2-3lb of muscle a month without juice or genetic gifts, you will be gaining like 25lb+ of fat a month

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:08 AM
Eating ~3500 calories over your maintenance means you are going to gain 1lb a day whether you like it or not. Since you can't build more than 2-3lb of muscle a month without juice or genetic gifts, you will be gaining like 25lb+ of fat a month

well I will be running a cycle, like I stated.

Opies
01-18-2009, 01:09 AM
well I will be running a cycle, like I stated.

alright, juice in the equation. Still too many calories ;)

MrB1g
01-18-2009, 01:09 AM
care to elaborate or explain your reasoning?

Reasoning:

Your body only uses and needs a certain amount of calories and macros?

And it can't vanish or exrete the remainer. Therefore: Fat.

Edit: Didn't see cycle, less so. but still

Obnoxious123
01-18-2009, 01:13 AM
just because you are running juice doesn't mean your going to turn in all your extra cals into muscle. are you running AAS or a PH/DS? and what compound(s)?

How tall are you?

gekkoboy14
01-18-2009, 01:15 AM
Yes, I am going to eat at least 7k calories. I will be running a cycle. Could you tell me how my macros look.

Thanks everyone.

Calories = 7,642

Fat= 287 grams
63 saturated
26 polyun
116 monous

Carbs= 632

Protein=635


I want to bulk up with only slight fat gain.

dreamer bulk?

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:16 AM
just because you are running juice doesn't mean your going to turn in all your extra cals into muscle. are you running AAS or a PH/DS? and what compound(s)?

How tall are you?


AAS
im 5'7 (yes manlet)
Spend about two hours in the gym a day

Still sort of putting everything together but most likely

test E 700mg
anadrol (still need to research this)
D-bol (first 4 weeks)
and mayyyybeeeeeeee Equipoise

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:17 AM
dreamer bulk?

Ha...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I hope not.
No dreamering my bulk...I guess thats why im asking you guys!

Obnoxious123
01-18-2009, 01:20 AM
AAS
im 5'7 (yes manlet)
Spend about two hours in the gym a day

Still sort of putting everything together but most likely

test E 700mg
anadrol (still need to research this)
D-bol (first 4 weeks)
and mayyyybeeeeeeee Equipoise

is this your first cycle?? you might just want to run test e for a first cycle....and maybe jump start with dbol if you REALLY want to, but everyone is going to say (if its ur first) to just run test e.

i would say eat maybe 4k-5k depending on ur weight...u don't wanna gain a lot of fat then spend a ****load of time cutting it off again.

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:22 AM
is this your first cycle?? you might just want to run test e for a first cycle....and maybe jump start with dbol if you REALLY want to, but everyone is going to say (if its ur first) to just run test e.

i would say eat maybe 4k-5k depending on ur weight...u don't wanna gain a lot of fat then spend a ****load of time cutting it off again.

hey man

second cycle (though I take testosterone every week for HRT)
I weight 184 - pretty lean (top two abs visible)

Russing
01-18-2009, 01:23 AM
I know a guy who said he eats just under 8000kcals a day. He weighed 240lbs and was 6ft 4. He was doing HGH, wrestled and surfed quite alot. He was about 7% body fat - I always thought it was a bit too much (or he was not telling the truth) but he looked good. The most i have ever eaten regularly is about 4500 kcals i felt i gained fat at this amount, unless i did cardio but then whats the point of eating just to do cardio.

Do you have a very active lifestyle?

I would like to know how you get on eating that much, i have often thought about upping the calories especially on cycle.

Obnoxious123
01-18-2009, 01:27 AM
hey man

second cycle (though I take testosterone every week for HRT)
I weight 184 - pretty lean (top two abs visible)

ya just kickstart with dbol if you want, then run test e. i would say a good 4500 cal diet and see what happens, i don't know if u gain fat easily or not but if you feel you are drop a few 100 cals, and if you think you need more then add a few 100.

just remember you gotta adjust your intake according to your weight while your on cycle, so if u gain 10lbs in however many weeks you gotta up your cals

RC2008
01-18-2009, 01:28 AM
That's enough calories to make you explode. Good luck getting that much food in you

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:33 AM
I know a guy who said he eats just under 8000kcals a day. He weighed 240lbs and was 6ft 4. He was doing HGH, wrestled and surfed quite alot. He was about 7% body fat - I always thought it was too much (or he was not telling the truth) but he looked good. The most i have ever eaten regularly is about 4500 kcals i felt i gained fat at this amount, unless i did cardio but then whats the point of eating just to do cardio.

Do you have a very active lifestyle?

I would like to know how you get on eating that much, i have often thought about upping the calories especially on cycle.

hey man, just thought I would tell you what IM planning on eating per day since you expressed an interest.

Arnold double protein bread (6 slices)
3 cups cottage cheese
.5 cup of olive oil
250 grams chicken breast
200 grams of chicken breast
3 protein shakes (48 grams protein a piece)
.5 cups peanut butter (smuckers natty)
12 egg whites
8 cups of milk
2 servings wheat spaghetti
250 grams turkey breast (ground)
3 cups cheerios

Russing
01-18-2009, 01:38 AM
hey man, just thought I would tell you what IM planning on eating per day since you expressed an interest.

Arnold double protein bread (6 slices)
3 cups cottage cheese
.5 cup of olive oil
250 grams chicken breast
200 grams of chicken breast
3 protein shakes (48 grams protein a piece)
.5 cups peanut butter (smuckers natty)
12 egg whites
8 cups of milk
2 servings wheat spaghetti
250 grams turkey breast (ground)
3 cups cheerios


Thanks, your diet looks pretty solid pretty similar to mine but in higher quantity's - (Love the cheerios i have a cupboard full). Have you eaten this much before on cycle. Also is the wheat spaghetti in tomato sauce? What is the milk (fat free?)

PS I am pretty sure you can change your location, i changed mine recently as i relocated from the uk.

Simmo0508
01-18-2009, 01:40 AM
It's hardly "too much" if he trains hard like he should be whilst on a cycle. 7000cals is pretty standard for a lot of the big guys.

Some advice mate, i'd probably drop the fat down to around 200-220 and up the carbs in it's place. Protein looks good around 600-650. But yeah 287 imo is a bit too high. Your choice obviously :P

bryaninkorea
01-18-2009, 01:53 AM
Thanks, your diet looks pretty solid pretty similar to mine but in higher quantity's - (Love the cheerios i have a cupboard full). Have you eaten this much before on cycle. Also is the wheat spaghetti in tomato sauce? What is the milk (fat free?)

PS I am pretty sure you can change your location, i changed mine recently as i relocated from the uk.

im talking about my screen name brah.

I prob wont put the spaghetti in sauce
and the milk will be either 2 percent or skim.

Russing
01-18-2009, 01:55 AM
im talking about my screen name brah.

I prob wont put the spaghetti in sauce
and the milk will be either 2 percent or skim.

Ok thanks - Yeah I just noticed your screen name, doh!

The Solution
01-18-2009, 04:36 AM
You eat more protein in a day then cutler and jackson do put together

:eek:

Simmo0508
01-18-2009, 05:19 AM
You eat more protein in a day then cutler and jackson do put together

:eek:

lol No he doesn't.

Ironlife
01-18-2009, 05:39 AM
Good stuff man, youll get it all down. How much are you normally eating>?

NDame616
01-18-2009, 05:57 AM
hey man, just thought I would tell you what IM planning on eating per day since you expressed an interest.

Arnold double protein bread (6 slices)
3 cups cottage cheese
.5 cup of olive oil
250 grams chicken breast
200 grams of chicken breast
3 protein shakes (48 grams protein a piece)
.5 cups peanut butter (smuckers natty)
12 egg whites
8 cups of milk
2 servings wheat spaghetti
250 grams turkey breast (ground)
3 cups cheerios

Fruits and veggies are your friend....I won't get into my opinion on non-competetors going on gear, so lets just say your body would really appreciate some vitamins and minerals.

markwhitehouse
01-18-2009, 06:14 AM
food listed dont look like 7000 kcal to me.

bryaninkorea
01-19-2009, 02:23 PM
food listed dont look like 7000 kcal to me.

youre right bra, its 7,642 calories ;)

NDame616
01-19-2009, 03:08 PM
youre right bra, its 7,642 calories ;)

Well, you are consuming about 1000 calories in olive oil and drinking a half gallon of milk while eating no fruits or veggies...

eh, to me it doesn't make sense!

AJ SIMS
01-19-2009, 03:17 PM
All you're going to do is put on alot of unwanted fat , there's absolutely no need for that much food . Period


Aj

NDame616
01-19-2009, 03:23 PM
All you're going to do is put on alot of unwanted fat , there's absolutely no need for that much food . Period


Aj

Food? There ISNT much "food!"

half gallon of milk
1000 cals from olive oil
3 cups of CC
3 protein shakes (god knows what he puts in there)

So, there's about 3000ish cals or so that could easily be cut out of the diet....

AJ SIMS
01-19-2009, 03:33 PM
Food? There ISNT much "food!"

half gallon of milk
1000 cals from olive oil
3 cups of CC
3 protein shakes (god knows what he puts in there)

So, there's about 3000ish cals or so that could easily be cut out of the diet....




Yes not much whole food , I just meant overall calories ... I'll never get why so many guys think they have to over eat to put on muscle , sure the scale will go up but it's going to be all fat / glycogen / water so what's the point ?

Blindead
01-19-2009, 04:00 PM
You guys realize he's going to be on roids, right?

BlueFenix13S
01-19-2009, 04:13 PM
Wait, so your endocrine system is already f**ked up and you're on HRT for it...... and you want to f**k it up even further with AAS?

Might wanna re-think that.

lth
01-19-2009, 04:16 PM
Wait, so your endocrine system is already f**ked up and you're on HRT for it...... and you want to f**k it up even further with AAS?

Might wanna re-think that.

The op is either a complete f*cking retard or a troll.

NDame616
01-19-2009, 04:17 PM
You guys realize he's going to be on roids, right?

.....so?

bmorrell
01-19-2009, 04:21 PM
All you're going to do is put on alot of unwanted fat , there's absolutely no need for that much food . Period
Aj
x 2

Dr. Horse
01-19-2009, 04:24 PM
you can't build more than 2-3lb of muscle a month without juice or genetic gifts

Whut?

I guess it depends what you mean by "genetic gifts"...

Blindead
01-19-2009, 04:27 PM
.....so?

While he may not need 7000 calories, he's going to be able to pack on much more muscle and use more calories because of them.

NDame616
01-19-2009, 04:49 PM
While he may not need 7000 calories, he's going to be able to pack on much more muscle and use more calories because of them.

soooo you agree with what everyone is saying then?

jakedole
01-19-2009, 05:20 PM
dude way to much man you are going to kill yourself. two hours in the gym bro, spend more time on your diet. get **** stright bro or you will waste your time.

pain1701
01-19-2009, 05:55 PM
While he may not need 7000 calories, he's going to be able to pack on much more muscle and use more calories because of them.

this is probably overkill... he is most likely going to gain alot of fat. Test increases muscle synthesis yes but It seems like you are seriously over estimating AAS. You are only 18 so please reconsider giving advice and information about AAS until you have some actual experience.

Anyways, from personal experience I would tell you if you are going to eat that much at least ramp up your calories b/c I made that mistake once but only with 5k cal and gained alot of fat. Dont worry about the eq, and good luck with the cycle.

Why are you on HRT btw?

bryaninkorea
01-19-2009, 10:38 PM
The op is either a complete f*cking retard or a troll.

wow, thanks for your thoughtful response you piece of ****. This will be my second cycle. Christ, what an ugly jack ass you are. you look like mother ****ing bobo the clown with your gay ass chucks and skinny ass legs

Ive been here way longer than you have, so shut your ****ing mouth. Especially if youre not going to offer some useful advice.

bryaninkorea
01-19-2009, 10:40 PM
this is probably overkill... he is most likely going to gain alot of fat. Test increases muscle synthesis yes but It seems like you are seriously over estimating AAS. You are only 18 so please reconsider giving advice and information about AAS until you have some actual experience.

Anyways, from personal experience I would tell you if you are going to eat that much at least ramp up your calories b/c I made that mistake once but only with 5k cal and gained alot of fat. Dont worry about the eq, and good luck with the cycle.

Why are you on HRT btw?

Thanks for giving an actually half way decent answer. Nice to see someone has a brain attached. I will bump down to 5k calories.

I am on HRT because I do not have testicles (serious)

bryaninkorea
01-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Wait, so your endocrine system is already f**ked up and you're on HRT for it...... and you want to f**k it up even further with AAS?

Might wanna re-think that.

meh, I have to be on testosterone for the rest of my life, so I figure I may as well try some cycles, I also get blood work done and my endocrinologist would let me know if anything was going on.

bryaninkorea
01-19-2009, 10:48 PM
Fruits and veggies are your friend....I won't get into my opinion on non-competetors going on gear, so lets just say your body would really appreciate some vitamins and minerals.

Thanks man. I plan on competing soon. I will add some fruits and veggies!

bryaninkorea
01-19-2009, 10:57 PM
Food? There ISNT much "food!"

half gallon of milk
1000 cals from olive oil
3 cups of CC
3 protein shakes (god knows what he puts in there)

So, there's about 3000ish cals or so that could easily be cut out of the diet....

So i guess

Bread
Oatmeal (which yes, I forgot to list)
Chicken breast
Beef
Egg whites
Spaghetti and
turkey breast

don't count as food?

thebasil
01-19-2009, 11:01 PM
in for epic thread potential

cyde
01-19-2009, 11:05 PM
"Less is more." Keep this in mind when planning future cycles and bulks. You are going to get disgustingly fat during this bulk Lee Priest style. Expect some awesome strength gains while stressing your heart. :)

grunts_n_th_gym
01-19-2009, 11:09 PM
in for epic thread potential

Ha..Prob. Not. Bryan's a good guy. If the retarted B.S. continues, he will prob. delete this thread.

NDame616
01-20-2009, 03:53 AM
So i guess

Bread
Oatmeal (which yes, I forgot to list)
Chicken breast
Beef
Egg whites
Spaghetti and
turkey breast

don't count as food?

Did I list everything there and say "none of ths is food?" No. However, I think it's somewhat ironic that you'll drink half a cup of olive oil, but throw away yolks.

You're roughly 2500ish calories over what you need to be eating. And, if you cut the oil, cheerios, half gallon of milk, etc you would be in a much better caloric range for what you're looking to do.

Gear or no gear, unless you're a professional swimmer.....you don't need 7000 calories. And you certainly don't need 2000 calories from fat.

shawn3087
01-20-2009, 11:02 AM
dont workout for 2 hours... u lower ur testosterone levels.BAD

cyde
01-20-2009, 11:19 AM
dont workout for 2 hours... u lower ur testosterone levels.BAD

lol did you read his cycle layout? i don't think that's going to be a problem.

RC2008
01-20-2009, 11:20 AM
dont workout for 2 hours... u lower ur testosterone levels.BAD


He's right....bro

*Adjusts dumbbell shaped glasses*

stathis723
01-20-2009, 11:45 AM
I thought ectos eat that much or at least 6 k... When an ecto say he cant gain weight how much is he eating?

tsaiwins
01-20-2009, 12:33 PM
maybe his cardio is similar to michael phelps ;-P.. in that case he would be fine haha

BG_1
01-20-2009, 01:56 PM
I am on HRT because I do not have testicles (serious)

WAT?

Laxer311
01-20-2009, 02:07 PM
Why are you only eating egg whites? If your planning on eating 5k+ calories im sure you can afford to eat some yolks.

bryaninkorea
01-20-2009, 07:04 PM
Did I list everything there and say "none of ths is food?" No. However, I think it's somewhat ironic that you'll drink half a cup of olive oil, but throw away yolks.
.

Yeah...because the fat in egg yolks are exactly the same as the fat from olive oil...you are giving advice in the nutrition section because?

NDame616
01-20-2009, 07:07 PM
Yeah...because the fat in egg yolks are exactly the same as the fat from olive oil...you are giving advice in the nutrition section because?

Oh yea, I remember when I said the fat was the same!

ooooor not?

I just find it kinda weird that you're drinking a half gallon of milk and 1000 calories in olive oil but you throw out the most nutritious part of an egg.

My advice: This is a stupid diet and you're a moron for eating that many calories and that much fat.

That's the end of my advice!

hooked4life
01-20-2009, 07:16 PM
congratz OP - you are now in the misc.

you're fcked.

qdiddy69
01-20-2009, 07:17 PM
dont workout for 2 hours... u lower ur testosterone levels.BAD

umm, he has no testicles...

KappaRaiders
01-20-2009, 07:18 PM
im not going to say this wont work, because im not educated enough to know for sure. but i will say i'd like to watch a thread with progress pics to see what happens lol...

bubba289
01-20-2009, 07:19 PM
i bulked up to 225lb on 6500-7k cals/day, but i was a bloated, miserable mess. never went above about 13%bf though :)

rockevans
01-20-2009, 07:20 PM
Sounds delicious, but i wouldn't do it.
Good luck anyway

J-Ro-Mac
01-20-2009, 07:21 PM
Thanks for giving an actually half way decent answer. Nice to see someone has a brain attached. I will bump down to 5k calories.

I am on HRT because I do not have testicles (serious)
**** just got REAL

iamtheawesome
01-20-2009, 07:24 PM
I am on HRT because I do not have testicles (serious)

Please elaborate.

ReadsTheMisc
01-20-2009, 07:25 PM
QqMiigy92qU

hooked4life
01-20-2009, 07:30 PM
QqMiigy92qU

pure win.

Goat_187
01-20-2009, 07:33 PM
in for testicle story.

Viktor777
01-20-2009, 07:35 PM
Doesn't your prostate make Testosterone aswell. (But at a really low lvl)

BiggerTommorow
01-20-2009, 07:36 PM
your bag...
r91jVeyFl4I
does it do this?

bryaninkorea
01-20-2009, 07:36 PM
Oh yea, I remember when I said the fat was the same!

ooooor not?

I just find it kinda weird that you're drinking a half gallon of milk and 1000 calories in olive oil but you throw out the most nutritious part of an egg.

My advice: This is a stupid diet and you're a moron for eating that many calories and that much fat.

That's the end of my advice!


I'm certainly grateful for that.

Dr. Horse
01-20-2009, 07:38 PM
Doesn't your prostate make Testosterone aswell. (But at a really low lvl)

Nope.

artm
01-20-2009, 07:38 PM
congratz OP - you are now in the misc.

you're fcked.

this^^^^

javin86
01-20-2009, 07:49 PM
Oh yea, I remember when I said the fat was the same!

ooooor not?

I just find it kinda weird that you're drinking a half gallon of milk and 1000 calories in olive oil but you throw out the most nutritious part of an egg.

My advice: This is a stupid diet and you're a moron for eating that many calories and that much fat.

That's the end of my advice!

this is very true. OP you reallyt need to reconsider this. AAS doesn't mean you can put on a pound of muscle everyday. you're gonna get really fat from this.

javin86
01-20-2009, 07:51 PM
It's hardly "too much" if he trains hard like he should be whilst on a cycle. 7000cals is pretty standard for a lot of the big guys.

Some advice mate, i'd probably drop the fat down to around 200-220 and up the carbs in it's place. Protein looks good around 600-650. But yeah 287 imo is a bit too high. Your choice obviously :P

and this guy might be one of the dumbest people i've ever seen posting on here. 600-650 grams of protein and the guy weighs 180?

NJPump
01-20-2009, 07:51 PM
I do not have testicles (serious)

wat?

Austin109
01-20-2009, 07:54 PM
and this guy might be one of the dumbest people i've ever seen posting on here. 600-650 grams of protein and the guy weighs 180?

qft. seriously op at 180 if your hitting around 300g protein per day you will be just fine

Bramble
01-20-2009, 07:54 PM
I am on HRT because I do not have testicles (serious)

where da fuk is yo nuts?

bryaninkorea
01-20-2009, 07:54 PM
Yeah..I am bumping cals down to around 6k.

MrManDude
01-20-2009, 07:55 PM
Be sure to eat plenty of fat to keep your testicles healthy.

-rhino-
01-20-2009, 08:06 PM
qft. seriously op at 180 if your hitting around 300g protein per day you will be just fine

This ^^

Your body will only use as much protein as it can and excrete the rest. 2g's of protein per pound of body weight is more than enough in most cases. Any more is a waste of money and time.

KidBlast222
01-21-2009, 12:10 AM
Where Teh Testies Brah?

Simmo0508
01-21-2009, 01:41 AM
and this guy might be one of the dumbest people i've ever seen posting on here. 600-650 grams of protein and the guy weighs 180?

The OP is looking at eating 7000cals. 600 odd grams of protein making up 2400 calories of that said 7000, is perfectly fine. There's no rule when it comes to macronutrient intake. Heaps of guys on cycles go up to 700 even. It's normal considering the higher caloric intakes. Everything, carbs/protein/fat, all get bumped up obviously.

Instead of telling the OP what to do and not answering his question like other members have done here, i simply gave my advice to him from someone who's had experience with such people. If he wanted our opinions on gear and if he should do a cycle etc, he would've asked for it. He didn't. That wasn't any of our business.

The end.

If he asked for our opinions on if his calories were too high, then that's a different topic and question. I myself would probably say lower the overall a little bit since yeah, he's only 180lbs. However, a big however, he only asked about macros specifically in his original post.


Instead of flaming and attacking the members who are actually in the industry and know what they're on about, try listening to them and taking a few things into account for your own benefit. You might learn a thing or two. Goes for many other relatively educated members on here aswell who get unfairly treated.

Just sayinnn :P

javin86
01-21-2009, 07:20 AM
It's hardly "too much" if he trains hard like he should be whilst on a cycle. 7000cals is pretty standard for a lot of the big guys.

Some advice mate, i'd probably drop the fat down to around 200-220 and up the carbs in it's place. Protein looks good around 600-650. But yeah 287 imo is a bit too high. Your choice obviously :P

this is where you told the 180 lb man that 7000 calories and 600-650 grams of protein is fine assuming he trains really hard. I don't believe you work in the industry or have any knowledge regarding the effects of aas.


The OP is looking at eating 7000cals. 600 odd grams of protein making up 2400 calories of that said 7000, is perfectly fine. There's no rule when it comes to macronutrient intake. Heaps of guys on cycles go up to 700 even. It's normal considering the higher caloric intakes. Everything, carbs/protein/fat, all get bumped up obviously.

Instead of telling the OP what to do and not answering his question like other members have done here, i simply gave my advice to him from someone who's had experience with such people. If he wanted our opinions on gear and if he should do a cycle etc, he would've asked for it. He didn't. That wasn't any of our business.

The end.

If he asked for our opinions on if his calories were too high, then that's a different topic and question. I myself would probably say lower the overall a little bit since yeah, he's only 180lbs. However, a big however, he only asked about macros specifically in his original post.


Instead of flaming and attacking the members who are actually in the industry and know what they're on about, try listening to them and taking a few things into account for your own benefit. You might learn a thing or two. Goes for many other relatively educated members on here aswell who get unfairly treated.

Just sayinnn :P


bull****!

Austin109
01-21-2009, 07:26 AM
The OP is looking at eating 7000cals. 600 odd grams of protein making up 2400 calories of that said 7000, is perfectly fine. There's no rule when it comes to macronutrient intake. Heaps of guys on cycles go up to 700 even. It's normal considering the higher caloric intakes. Everything, carbs/protein/fat, all get bumped up obviously.

Instead of telling the OP what to do and not answering his question like other members have done here, i simply gave my advice to him from someone who's had experience with such people. If he wanted our opinions on gear and if he should do a cycle etc, he would've asked for it. He didn't. That wasn't any of our business.

The end.

If he asked for our opinions on if his calories were too high, then that's a different topic and question. I myself would probably say lower the overall a little bit since yeah, he's only 180lbs. However, a big however, he only asked about macros specifically in his original post.


Instead of flaming and attacking the members who are actually in the industry and know what they're on about, try listening to them and taking a few things into account for your own benefit. You might learn a thing or two. Goes for many other relatively educated members on here aswell who get unfairly treated.

Just sayinnn :P

ummmmmmmmm no? past the amount that your body will use the protein you literally either piss it out or its stored as fat. 7000 cals is way to damn much. you will easily be an in excess of 3000 over BULKING. guess what that means?

SinewySam
01-21-2009, 08:32 AM
hey man, just thought I would tell you what IM planning on eating per day since you expressed an interest.

Arnold double protein bread (6 slices)
3 cups cottage cheese
.5 cup of olive oil
250 grams chicken breast
200 grams of chicken breast
3 protein shakes (48 grams protein a piece)
.5 cups peanut butter (smuckers natty)
12 egg whites
8 cups of milk
2 servings wheat spaghetti
250 grams turkey breast (ground)
3 cups cheerios

Almost all of that stuff is white-ish in color. do you eat vegetables and fruits? add some color to your diet

NDame616
01-21-2009, 10:29 AM
ummmmmmmmm no? past the amount that your body will use the protein you literally either piss it out or its stored as fat. 7000 cals is way to damn much. you will easily be an in excess of 3000 over BULKING. guess what that means?

Ugh, CLEARLY you know nothing about steroids, and the side effects....!

Other than the bitch tits, roid rage, damaged liver, acne, balding, etc, most juice monkeys have the false sense that they have some knowledge simply because they got big muscles fast...arguing with a guy who is cycling is like hitting yoru head against cement expecting to break it down.

Science and common sense is above most guys on gear.....

Austin109
01-21-2009, 11:20 AM
Ugh, CLEARLY you know nothing about steroids, and the side effects....!

Other than the bitch tits, roid rage, damaged liver, acne, balding, etc, most juice monkeys have the false sense that they have some knowledge simply because they got big muscles fast...arguing with a guy who is cycling is like hitting yoru head against cement expecting to break it down.

Science and common sense is above most guys on gear.....

to true to true. "i took teh roidz and blew up, means i r smarter than naturals!"

Rigit23
01-21-2009, 11:26 AM
Let him do what he wants and stop bumping this thread. It sucks for christ's sake.

grunts_n_th_gym
01-21-2009, 03:51 PM
Ugh, CLEARLY you know nothing about steroids, and the side effects....!

Other than the bitch tits, roid rage, damaged liver, acne, balding, etc, most juice monkeys have the false sense that they have some knowledge simply because they got big muscles fast...arguing with a guy who is cycling is like hitting yoru head against cement expecting to break it down.

Science and common sense is above most guys on gear.....

Wow. You are a moron.

Gynocomastia ("bitch tits") is rare and happens largely among uneducated fukbags (such as yourself) who know very little about anabolic steroids and do not run PCT (post cycle therapy).

Roid rage has not been proven ever. It is a myth. If you are kunt (such as yourself) before using anabolics, you will be a kunt with more muscle.

Liver damage again is rare among sensible users. Acne and balding do not occur in all users.


And let me ad that the op has already stated many times, that he is bumping is calories down. So STFU.

OP- I think 5 or 6k at the most is a great idea. I am about your height and weight so I see where you are coming from. 7k might not be a crazy idea, but see how your body reacts at 5k first. Good luck and I look forward to seeing a cycle log from you!

javin86
01-21-2009, 04:58 PM
Ugh, CLEARLY you know nothing about steroids, and the side effects....!

Other than the bitch tits, roid rage, damaged liver, acne, balding, etc, most juice monkeys have the false sense that they have some knowledge simply because they got big muscles fast...arguing with a guy who is cycling is like hitting yoru head against cement expecting to break it down.

Science and common sense is above most guys on gear.....

that's quite the generalisation there. Althoug there are many users who turn to steroid for the easy way out, the majority of steroid users are very knowledgeable about bodybuilding.

Rodzilla
01-21-2009, 05:09 PM
why don't you have testicles?

anyway, I would just start at about 1000 over what you currently use to bulk.
somewhere between 4k-5k..adjust as the cycle goes along.

shouldn't need more than 2g protein per lb of bw when assisted, but you might go over solely because of the amount of food.

Simmo0508
01-21-2009, 05:13 PM
I agree. My mate's that do that **** still know their stuff, regardless or not that they use.

Doin gear is an involved process in itself where ya gotta know what to do and how to use the variety of drugs out there in terms of dosages, cycles, PCT etc.

Pretty ignorant statement saying that steroid users are dumb when it comes to bodybuilding. It's quite the opposite, like Javin mentioned.

Austin109
01-21-2009, 05:21 PM
that's quite the generalisation there. Althoug there are many users who turn to steroid for the easy way out, the majority of steroid users are very knowledgeable about bodybuilding.

to some degree. most streoid users i know are only on pct + cycle supports once i told them how they work. the majority of users in my experience are just kids looking to get bigger with no real knowledge outside of "steroids are bad"


I agree. My mate's that do that **** still know their stuff, regardless or not that they use.

Doin gear is an involved process in itself where ya gotta know what to do and how to use the variety of drugs out there in terms of dosages, cycles, PCT etc.

Pretty ignorant statement saying that steroid users are dumb when it comes to bodybuilding. It's quite the opposite, like Javin mentioned.

you do have to admit that many people as soon as they take 1 PH/AAS cycle immediately think they are more knowledgeable in building muscle/nutrition than others after they gain 20 lbs in a month and a half. it is a generalization to say most are dumb but in my experience most have been (Apparently present company excluded). Very few know not what they are putting in their body, potential side effects, and ways to circumvent these potential hazards. most users these days are likely to be 18-24 with no education in AAS. this is just as my experience though and there is every possibility im wrong though.

Simmo0508
01-21-2009, 05:31 PM
Yep, that's just your experience and your life. We're all different from different places hanging around different people.

The roid monkeys around here that train at our gym are some of the nicest, genuine, most down to earth people you could ever meet. That's them as people, and the drugs hasn't really had an effect on their personality from what i've seen. Granted we're an older more hardcore'ish gym, most people are in their 30's 40's. Most young guys aren't on the juice here. 1 or 2, yeah no worries, but the majority are pretty good.

It's funny cos the assumption is that gym rats and steroid users are these big grouchy snobby ****s. From my experience, they absolutely hate negativity and thrive on being social with people when presented the chance. Most keep quiet when on their own, but if you have a convo with them and get to know them, they're pretty decent people.

Austin109
01-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Yep, that's just your experience and your life. We're all different from different places hanging around different people.

The roid monkeys around here that train at our gym are some of the nicest, genuine, most down to earth people you could ever meet. That's them as people, and the drugs hasn't really had an effect on their personality from what i've seen. Granted we're an older more hardcore'ish gym, most people are in their 30's 40's. Most young guys aren't on the juice here. 1 or 2, yeah no worries, but the majority are pretty good.

It's funny cos the assumption is that gym rats and steroid users are these big grouchy snobby ****s. From my experience, they absolutely hate negativity and thrive on being social with people when presented the chance. Most keep quiet when on their own, but if you have a convo with them and get to know them, they're pretty decent people.

well i never once attacked their personality, just the fact that most assumed that they know more than the average person about putting on muscle. i am at college and see roughly 1/4 guys using PHs/AAS in the gym and NONE know what PCT was or on cycle supports. most of the people at the gyms in houston who used were younger kids and most were ignorant. granted a few knew their stuff but most assumed you were dumb if you didnt use and most attacked you if you even suggested they go do more research. "the guy at the sup store said i needed to use TRIB to kick my nuts back on. he does this **** for a living and your some punk kid"

seriouslifter
01-21-2009, 05:55 PM
u are absolutely retarded with that statement with ur calorie intake and macros

Simmo0508
01-21-2009, 06:16 PM
I know you weren't attacking them bro, i was just commenting on what's it like over here with ours lol They're pretty smart too.

:)

AngeloBangelo
01-22-2009, 10:40 AM
I think the diet is fine. Last year I had a great bulk with very similar macros on a cycle that I kept a log for.

The cycle was

16 weeks of Test D @ 800mg EW
8 weeks of Dbol @ 50 mg ED
4 weeks of Anadrol @ 100mg ED

Gained 30 pounds. Even if the guy does gain a ton of fat (Which didn't happen for me. Fast metabolism ftw LULZ), this diet will teach him to eat off cycle as well. The demands for almost everything, nutritionally, go up as muscle mass increases. That cycle taught me to eat. And if you look at my photos I wasn't carrying a ton of fat really.

So I say, go for it. Eat a ****-ton. Beef and whole milk are your friends. Eat until you're about to vomit, then lay down and let the calories sit, only to eat again right after!

Best of luck to you!