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King of the Misc
01-13-2009, 12:31 AM
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Not long now till the 2009 SANZAR Super14 kicks off so figured we better start a thread for it.

Here is the schedule:

WEEK 1
Friday 13 February Highlanders v Brumbies Dunedin 19:35
Friday 13 February W Force v Blues Perth 19:45
Friday 13 February Lions v Cheetahs Johannesburg 19:10
Saturday 14 February Crusaders v Chiefs Christchurch 17:30
Saturday 14 February Hurricanes v Waratahs Wellington 19:35
Saturday 14 February Stormers v Sharks Cape Town 17:00
Saturday 14 February Bulls v Reds Pretoria 19:10

WEEK 2
Friday 20 February Hurricanes v Highlanders Wellington 19:35
Friday 20 February Waratahs v Chiefs Sydney 19:40
Friday 20 February W Force v Cheetahs Perth 19:45
Friday 20 February Stormers v Reds Cape Town 19:10
Saturday 21 February Brumbies v Crusaders Canberra 19:40
Saturday 21 February Bulls v Blues Pretoria 17:00
Saturday 21 February Sharks v Lions Durban 19:10

WEEK 3
Friday 27 February Crusaders v Hurricanes Christchurch 19:35
Friday 27 February Waratahs v Highlanders Sydney 19:40
Saturday 28 February Chiefs v Sharks Hamilton 19:35
Saturday 28 February Brumbies v W Force Canberra 19:40
Saturday 28 February Lions v Bulls Johannesburg 17:00
Saturday 28 February Stormers v Blues Cape Town 19:10
Sunday 01 March Reds v Cheetahs Brisbane 16:00

WEEK 4
Friday 06 March Chiefs v W Force Hamilton 19:35
Friday 06 March Waratahs v Reds Sydney 19:40
Saturday 07 March Hurricanes v Cheetahs New Plymouth 14:30
Saturday 07 March Blues v Sharks Auckland 17:30
Saturday 07 March Highlanders v Crusaders Dunedin 19:35
Saturday 07 March Bulls v Stormers Pretoria 17:00
Brumbies/Lions Bye

WEEK 5
Friday 13 March Blues v Cheetahs North Harbour 19:35
Friday 13 March Brumbies v Waratahs Canberra 19:40
Saturday 14 March Crusaders v W Force Christchurch 17:30
Saturday 14 March Highlanders v Chiefs Invercargill 19:35
Saturday 14 March Reds v Sharks Brisbane 19:05
Saturday 14 March Stormers v Lions Cape Town 17:00
Hurricanes/Bulls Bye

WEEK 6
Friday 20 March Hurricanes v Bulls Wellington 19:35
Saturday 21 March Highlanders v Cheetahs Dunedin 17:30
Saturday 21 March Chiefs v Blues Hamilton 19:35
Saturday 21 March Waratahs v Crusaders Sydney 19:40
Saturday 21 March W Force v Sharks Perth 19:45
Saturday 21 March Lions v Brumbies Johannesburg 17:00
Reds/Stormers Bye

WEEK 7
Friday 27 March Blues v Waratahs Auckland 19:35
Saturday 28 March Highlanders v Bulls Palmerston North 17:30
Saturday 28 March Crusaders v Stormers Christchurch 19:35
Saturday 28 March Reds v Chiefs Brisbane 19:05
Saturday 28 March Sharks v Brumbies Durban 17:00
Saturday 28 March Lions v Hurricanes Johannesburg 19:10
Cheetahs/W Force Bye

WEEK 8
Friday 03 April Crusaders v Bulls Christchurch 19:35
Friday 03 April W Force v Reds Perth 19:05
Friday 03 April Sharks v Hurricanes Durban 19:10
Saturday 04 April Chiefs v Lions Hamilton 19:35
Saturday 04 April Waratahs v Stormers Sydney 19:40
Saturday 04 April Cheetahs v Brumbies Bloemfontein 15:00
Blues/Highlanders Bye

WEEK 9
Friday 10 April Blues v Lions Auckland 19:35
Friday 10 April W Force v Hurricanes Perth 17:40
Saturday 11 April Highlanders v Reds Invercargill 17:30
Saturday 11 April Brumbies v Stormers Canberra 17:35
Saturday 11 April Waratahs v Bulls Sydney 19:40
Saturday 11 April Cheetahs v Sharks Bloemfontein 15:00
Chiefs/Crusaders Bye

WEEK 10
Friday 17 April Blues v Highlanders Auckland 19:35
Friday 17 April Brumbies v Bulls Canberra 19:40
Saturday 18 April Hurricanes v Stormers Wellington 17:30
Saturday 18 April Reds v Lions Brisbane 17:35
Saturday 18 April Waratahs v W Force Sydney 19:40
Saturday 18 April Cheetahs v Chiefs Kimberley 15:00
Saturday 18 April Sharks v Crusaders Durban 17:05

WEEK 11
Friday 24 April Highlanders v Stormers Dunedin 19:35
Friday 24 April W Force v Lions Perth 19:05
Saturday 25 April Blues v Reds North Harbour 17:30
Saturday 25 April Hurricanes v Brumbies Wellington 19:35
Saturday 25 April Cheetahs v Crusaders Bloemfontein 15:00
Saturday 25 April Bulls v Chiefs Pretoria 17:05
Waratahs/Sharks Bye

WEEK 12
Friday 01 May Hurricanes v Blues Wellington 19:35
Friday 01 May Lions v Crusaders Johannesburg 15:00
Friday 01 May Cheetahs v Waratahs Bloemfontein 17:05
Saturday 02 May Reds v Brumbies Brisbane 19:40
Saturday 02 May Sharks v Highlanders Durban 15:00
Saturday 02 May Bulls v W Force Pretoria 17:05
Saturday 02 May Stormers v Chiefs Cape Town 19:10

WEEK 13
Friday 08 May Crusaders v Reds Christchurch 19:35
Friday 08 May Lions v Highlanders Johannesburg 19:10
Saturday 09 May Chiefs v Hurricanes Hamilton 19:35
Saturday 09 May Brumbies v Blues Canberra 19:40
Saturday 09 May Sharks v Waratahs Durban 15:00
Saturday 09 May Bulls v Cheetahs Pretoria 17:05
Saturday 09 May Stormers v W Force Cape Town 19:10

WEEK 14
Friday 15 May Chiefs v Brumbies Hamilton 19:35
Friday 15 May Lions v Waratahs Johannesburg 19:10
Saturday 16 May Blues v Crusaders Auckland 19:35
Saturday 16 May Reds v Hurricanes Brisbane 19:40
Saturday 16 May W Force v Highlanders Perth 19:45
Saturday 16 May Cheetahs v Stormers Bloemfontein 16:00
Saturday 16 May Sharks v Bulls Durban 18:05

WEEK 15 ? SEMI FINAL
Friday 22 May TBA v TBA
Saturday 23 May TBA v TBA

WEEK 16 ? FINAL
Saturday 30 May TBA v TBA

I think finally the Crusaders will come back to the pack without Robbie Deans and Dan Carter. I also think Queensland could be in for a really big year, they have some amazing young players. No idea what's going on in South Africa so ruhanv can fill us in there :)

What are you guys thoughts and predictions?

Jdz
01-13-2009, 12:35 AM
Western Force to win the competition and Giteau to be the top scorer.

That's all I know.

King of the Misc
01-20-2009, 05:13 AM
http://www.scrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/89995.html

South Africa may just have the power to wrest the initiative from New Zealand in this year's Super 14 competition.

The Sharks were the lone South African representatives in last year's semi-finals, but consistency of coaching structures and player pools could assist the South African challenge.

In addition, the depth of playing resources in the country make them more capable of absorbing the blows of an exodus to the Northern Hemisphere than Australia and New Zealand.

Sharks

John Plumtree took over as head coach after Dick Muir was promoted to the position of assistant coach at the Springboks and enjoyed immediate success in the Currie Cup. Their triumph on the domestic scene has inspired confidence and the addition of Bok skipper John Smit to their ranks will add another influential figure as they look to build on last year's third place.

Don't bet against them managing that as they have a favourable draw and not even the loss of experienced campaigners such as tighthead prop BJ Botha, inside centre Brad Barritt, French fly-half Frederic Michalak and utility forward AJ Venter has pulled their teeth. Michalak and Barritt's absence will allow a 10-12 combination of Ruan Pienaar and Frans Steyn to bloom, while Smit and Jannie du Plessis will share duties in the No.3 jersey.

Lock Johann Muller should continue to lead a side that includes Smit, which also points to a strong leadership core taking shape.

League legend Andrew Johns has assisted with their preparation, which shows they are prepared to think outside the box in their quest for success. It should be another fruitful season.

Stormers

Points difference is all that stood between them and the play-offs last year. One more try in their final round-robin game - a 22-13 win over the Lions in Johannesburg - would have edged them into the semi-finals after a wretched start.

At full strength the Stormers, who campaign under the guise of Western Province in the Currie Cup, have not lost at their home fortress of Newlands since going down 0-22 to the Crusaders on February 29 last year.

Jean de Villiers emerged as an exceptional leader and they also won three out of four games on tour, suggesting they know how to win at home.

They have also added some talented and experienced players, notably with loose forward Duane Vermeulen joining from the Cheetahs, and fullback Percy Montgomery, fly-half Willem de Waal and utility forward AJ Venter added to the ranks.

On top of that there is the coaching guile of Rassie Erasmus and a management team that includes top rugby minds such as Brendan Venter and Gary Gold. Not even a wretched draw that includes a five-game Australasian tour will dampen enthusiasm in the Cape.

Bulls

Springbok lock Victor Matfield's return should help stabilise a ship that hit stormy waters last year.

They were pitiful in their defence of the crown they won in 2007, but recovered well and coach Frans Ludeke appears to have things under control. Matfield and lock partner Bakkies Botha will provide the driving force in a tight five that aims at physical domination.

However, there's just a feeling that some of the key players are past their best, and even wing Bryan Habana is making headlines more often for links with Northern Hemisphere clubs rather than scoring tries.

They will be a good match for anybody at Loftus and have outstanding structures, which means they'll seldom be short on talent.

Ludeke's team is well capable of making the top half of the table, but you just don't get the feeling they are the force that they were under the coaching of Heyneke Meyer.

Lions

They are perennial under-achievers and last year's wooden spoonists.

The addition of former Springbok wings Ashwin Willemse and Henno Mentz, as well as forgotten lock Jannes Labuschagne, have add a few experienced heads.

They have a reasonable draw with away games against the Chiefs, Blues, Reds and Western Force. The question, however, is whether they have the talent in their ranks to make the most of it. The answer is probably no for a franchise feeling the pinch after years of under-achievement have left the terraces empty barring the times they are engaged in local derbies. The bottom half beckons ? again!

Cheetahs

They came close to pulling off a few surprise results last year, but it mostly ended in narrow defeats.

There were also times when their defence was poor and they took a few hidings. One victory in 12 defeats points to them simply not being good enough and they finished 13th. Whether things will go much better in 2009 is open to debate. They have lost two world class campaigners in versatile prop CJ van der Linde and loose forward Duane Vermeulen.

The gains have been modest with players such as centres Piet van Zyl and Corn? Uys, who could not quite crack it at the Stormers.

It's difficult to see a significant improvement on the cards, particularly as they start with a plethora of away games that could knock the stuffing out of them early on.
? Scrum.com

pietpoes
01-24-2009, 05:26 PM
Pre season warmup game results:

Chiefs 21, Blues 17
Chiefs 36, Highlanders 19
Blues 14, Hurricanes 19
Force 19, Crusaders 24
Lions 44, Bulls 21
Cheetahs 57, Griquas 7
Sharks 19, Pumas 7
Waratahs 17, Reds 5

King of the Misc
01-24-2009, 07:32 PM
Pre season warmup game results:

Chiefs 21, Blues 17
Chiefs 36, Highlanders 19
Blues 14, Hurricanes 19
Force 19, Crusaders 24
Lions 44, Bulls 21
Cheetahs 57, Griquas 7
Sharks 19, Pumas 7

Hey bro who's your team?

pietpoes
01-24-2009, 08:27 PM
Hey bro who's your team?

The Bulls bro, & yours?

King of the Misc
01-24-2009, 08:43 PM
Well I live in NSW, so waratahs by default

I don't really like the way they traditionally play though, although they are promising to play more free flowing rugby this year. Good luck, I see a south african team winning it this year

pietpoes
01-24-2009, 08:49 PM
Well I live in NSW, so waratahs by default

I don't really like the way they traditionally play though, although they are promising to play more free flowing rugby this year. Good luck, I see a south african team winning it this year

The Sharks are our best bet this year imo, I hope they play Pienaar at flyhalf. Hopefully the Crusaders will struggle without Carter and Deans.

pietpoes
02-02-2009, 04:58 AM
More pre season results:

Cheetahs 20-16 Bulls http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
Blues 26-24 Reds
Brumbies 28-14 Hurricanes
Chiefs 36-19 Highlanders

Stormers played Boland on saturday but I can't find any results yet

MinuteMan.
02-07-2009, 03:23 PM
More pre season results:

Cheetahs 20-16 Bulls http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
Blues 26-24 Reds
Brumbies 28-14 Hurricanes
Chiefs 36-19 Highlanders

Stormers played Boland on saturday but I can't find any results yet

Hey bro, what are your predictions for this year?

I might throw in a couple of mine:

Finalists

1. Hurricanes
2. Sharks
3. Crusaders
4. Force

I think the first 2 will definitely make the finals but I'm not sold on the crusaders. The Force have some great emerging players and I think will be the best Australian team. I think David Pocock will become a very good flanker and this could be his breakout year.

pietpoes
02-07-2009, 03:37 PM
Hey bro, what are your predictions for this year?

I might throw in a couple of mine:

Finalists

1. Hurricanes
2. Sharks
3. Crusaders
4. Force

I think the first 2 will definitely make the finals but I'm not sold on the crusaders. The Force have some great emerging players and I think will be the best Australian team. I think David Pocock will become a very good flanker and this could be his breakout year.

That looks about right, I just hope the Bulls can get their **** together this year. Also take into account that the Boks are playing the B & I Lions just after the Super 14. I hope they don't decide to rest the Bok players, that will fuk up any chances of a final. Who's your team?

MinuteMan.
02-07-2009, 04:06 PM
Oh yeah I forgot about the Lions tour.

I am from Sydney, so Waratahs are my team. I don't think they will have a great year though, unless they can cover the losses in the forward pack.

pietpoes
02-07-2009, 04:56 PM
Oh yeah I forgot about the Lions tour.

I am from Sydney, so Waratahs are my team. I don't think they will have a great year though, unless they can cover the losses in the forward pack.

I read somewhere that the ARU will be allowing non Aus qualified players to play for your Super 14 teams. Should strengthen your teams with Samoans, Fijians etc.

MinuteMan.
02-07-2009, 05:05 PM
I read somewhere that the ARU will be allowing non Aus qualified players to play for your Super 14 teams. Should strengthen your teams with Samoans, Fijians etc.

Yeah, I have seen the Reds sign overseas players but the waratahs tried to get some south african player but it got blocked by the ARU I think so I have no idea what is going on.

Beatdown_Boy
02-08-2009, 07:14 AM
the ARU are allowing one marquee player, that is a player from another country, that can participate in the super 14 comp but not be allowed to play for the wallabies, and another international player that may be able to(perhaps after 2 years)

i hope the force make top 4 this year, and then move up to the finals next year. since their start, theyve been making steady progress to the top.

Kiwi_Fella
02-11-2009, 02:24 PM
Hey boys didnt know there was a super 14 thread created, im in.

Cheifs to take out the comp this year ;)

MinuteMan.
02-11-2009, 02:50 PM
Only one more day, I can't wait. Plus theres 6 nations this weekend too

Who do you think will make the semi-finals KF?

pietpoes
02-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Anyone going to a game this weekend? I'm going to the Bulls vs Reds at Loftus. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Dom_88
02-11-2009, 03:27 PM
I'm hoping all the South African teams do well in prep for the Lions tour, but I hope the Stormers go better than last year. I saw Vermuelen is starting at 8th man instead of Luke Watson. Be the ******* he may be with a gigantic ego to boot, Watson was a big reason the Stormers played so well last season. Very cerebral player. The backups they have will hopefully be the difference.

Shout out to the Bulls, too. Being born in Pretoria I must support them too I guess!


Anyone going to a game this weekend? I'm going to the Bulls vs Reds at Loftus. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

I wish! Loftus has an unbeatable atmosphere!

Kiwi_Fella
02-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Only one more day, I can't wait. Plus theres 6 nations this weekend too

Who do you think will make the semi-finals KF?

6 nations blows ;)

I dont know bro. Its too early to say eh, you know how it is, every year its pretty much the same teams getting in - Crusaders, Warratahs, Sharks and a toss up nfor 4th, this year will be alot different, especially with the crusaders, expect them to be in for a hard year with all their new players.

I do really like the look of my Chiefs this year, we have some great players and have finally firmed up our front row.

How are your Warratahs looking?

MinuteMan.
02-11-2009, 03:51 PM
6 nations blows ;)

I dont know bro. Its too early to say eh, you know how it is, every year its pretty much the same teams getting in - Crusaders, Warratahs, Sharks and a toss up nfor 4th, this year will be alot different, especially with the crusaders, expect them to be in for a hard year with all their new players.

I do really like the look of my Chiefs this year, we have some great players and have finally firmed up our front row.

How are your Warratahs looking?

I'm not confident with NSW because of the losses up front and rocky elsom. I think the backline will be better and Rob Horne will emerge as an option for the wallabies bench at 13, but to be honest I'd be surprised if they made the semi finals again. I've been wrong before though.

I agree though, this year could be different, and for some reason I got a hunch the Hurricanes will be really good, but then again I've always liked their backline. Chiefs looked impressive at times last year, they could be ready to take the next step up. Who knows what will happen to the Crusaders.

Edit - Also keep an eye out for that massive Fijian winger from Randwick, Ratu something. Had a friend who played with him there, said he is an absolute beast. 6'4, 125kg.

Ruhanv
02-12-2009, 06:47 AM
The Bulls bro, & yours?

So is mine! I grew at Loftus stadium. Had a season ticket since I was three years old. I have been out of the country for 13 years so unfortunately it's been a while. Say hello to the Northern pavillion for me. ;)

Ruhanv
02-12-2009, 06:54 AM
It's crazy making predictions this year as everything is up in the air. I would not even pencil in the Crusaders for a semi spot this year as they have lost so many great players.

I will say that I think that only the Sharks and Chiefs will make the semis from SA and NZ respectively. The Crusaders might get a semi but I won't bet on it this year. The Reds are on the up and so is the Western Storm. The Bulls will probably make the top 6 but that unfortunately is about it. The Stormers will once again believe their own hype and the Waratahs' squad doesn't excite me.

The Highlanders, Cheetahs and Lions will battle it out for last place (again).

pietpoes
02-12-2009, 07:41 AM
So is mine! I grew at Loftus stadium. Had a season ticket since I was three years old. I have been out of the country for 13 years so unfortunately it's been a while. Say hello to the Northern pavillion for me. ;)

Howzit Ruhan, will try to take some pics at the game & post em afterwards.

Ruhanv
02-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Howzit Ruhan, will try to take some pics at the game & post em afterwards.

That would be great! I can almost smell the mixture of naartjies (mandarins), cigarette smoke, cut grass and barbeques outside the stadium. Happy days! :)

dontbeagirliman
02-12-2009, 08:36 AM
Cant wait to see the eag lose hehe

Ruhanv
02-12-2009, 09:02 AM
Does anyone know why the King of Misc was banned btw?

Kiwi_Fella
02-12-2009, 02:30 PM
It's crazy making predictions this year as everything is up in the air. I would not even pencil in the Crusaders for a semi spot this year as they have lost so many great players.

I will say that I think that only the Sharks and Chiefs will make the semis from SA and NZ respectively. The Crusaders might get a semi but I won't bet on it this year. The Reds are on the up and so is the Western Storm. The Bulls will probably make the top 6 but that unfortunately is about it. The Stormers will once again believe their own hype and the Waratahs' squad doesn't excite me.

The Highlanders, Cheetahs and Lions will battle it out for last place (again).

I was watching rugby show here and all the experts were picking the sharks to be the best team outta South Africa this year. What i like about this year is its really open. With the Crusaders having so many new players, they're not going to be as dominant as previous years. Some good game on this weeeknd though!

MinuteMan.
02-12-2009, 02:32 PM
http://www.scrum.com/super14/rugby/story/91596.html

I found this last night, what do you guys in NZ think about the all blacks fly half position this year?

Ruhanv
02-14-2009, 03:44 AM
Some interesting results thus far. The Lions looked pretty impressive with Jacque Fourie and Henno Mentz combining beautifully. They have some monsters up front as well and scrummed the Cheetahs of the pack. They might be a little underrated this year.

The Crusaders looked ok but I still don't rate their chances this year. The Chiefs failed to impress.

The Tahs upset the Canes. Didn't see that one coming.

Jdz
02-14-2009, 05:07 AM
Western Australia must have some kind of problem with throwing leads away, Western Force seem to have adopted the policy too, apparently they lose a fair bit when they were winning.

NB: I don't actually follow Rugby, just contributing to the thread.

;)

Dom_88
02-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Western Force have yet to win an opening game but they usually improve as the season goes. Been very unlucky past couple of seasons with close results.

Anyway, I've yet to see any games this week b/c of no Sky. Any recommendations for games to stream?

MinuteMan.
02-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Definitely an interesting weekend. By a strange twist of fate, I fell asleep in the afternoon and missed the NSW game but managed to catch both 6 Nations matches as well as the stormers v sharks. I thought the standard was pretty high with both these south african teams and it was a very entertaining game. A good win by the sharks though, they'll be a team to watch out for.

Ruhanv
02-16-2009, 02:40 AM
The Sharks for me were the best team of the weekend. They remind me a bit of the Crusaders from 5-6 years ago. They simply do not have any weaknesses.

I am glad the Bulls got the result but they should have won by 20 points more. They had 13 Boks in their starting 15 while the Reds had a bunch of novices. I will still take the bonus point. :)

Kiwi_Fella
02-17-2009, 03:43 AM
Its hard to read into the results on the weekend, i mean most teams were rusty. Alot of dropped balls and bad tactical play. I still think my Chiefs can do the job. Front 3 didnt perform but backrow very good and backs class.

I watched the Sharks vs Stormers game, Sharks do look good, as most people thought.

I thought the Aussies teams went alright. NSW did enough against the Hurricanes who were very disappointing. Blues looked ok at best, early days though boys!

Kiwi_Fella
02-17-2009, 03:45 AM
Anyway, I've yet to see any games this week b/c of no Sky. Any recommendations for games to stream?

Bro just search on justintv, they always have live streams going on for most games, thats what i did last season

Hugh Jazz
02-17-2009, 03:53 AM
Week 1 and the judiciary are already acting like retards.

"There was reason to believe that the boot of another player, not So'oialo, was possibly responsible for the head injury to Waugh."

So why the fuk is he suspended then you fukwits?????

Then Palu who clearly stamps on Thrush's head gets off because he didn't mean to do it.


Fuk me.
yes mad

MinuteMan.
02-17-2009, 04:05 AM
Its hard to read into the results on the weekend, i mean most teams were rusty. Alot of dropped balls and bad tactical play. I still think my Chiefs can do the job. Front 3 didnt perform but backrow very good and backs class.

I watched the Sharks vs Stormers game, Sharks do look good, as most people thought.

I thought the Aussies teams went alright. NSW did enough against the Hurricanes who were very disappointing. Blues looked ok at best, early days though boys!

Some interesting games this week.

I'll be at the Waratahs v Chiefs game on Friday night, and it should be a cracker...although all the bandwagon fans will be back. The chiefs will be in trouble if they lose the first 2 against potential contenders.

Another game of note is the Brumbies v Crusaders in Canberra, although there will probably be an upset or two in the other fixtures.

This is completely unrelated, but I'm starting to think Imanol Harinordaquay is the best No 8 in the world, I love his aggression. Who do you guys think is the best?

Ruhanv
02-18-2009, 04:20 AM
This is completely unrelated, but I'm starting to think Imanol Harinordaquay is the best No 8 in the world, I love his aggression. Who do you guys think is the best?

Yes.

But I think Kankowski will become the best no.8.

pietpoes
02-18-2009, 04:46 AM
Yes.

But I think Kankowski will become the best no.8.

What do you think of Sergio Parisse, Ruhan? I think he's very bloody good, pity he plays for a ****house team like Italy. I agree with you about Kankowski but Spies is probably the best at the moment.

Ruhanv
02-18-2009, 05:18 AM
What do you think of Sergio Parisse, Ruhan? I think he's very bloody good, pity he plays for a ****house team like Italy. I agree with you about Kankowski but Spies is probably the best at the moment.

Parisse is showing a lot of promise behind a struggling pack but Harinordaquay is currently possibly the best no.8 in the world. It would have to be between him, Spies or Kankowsi. I don't rate any of the Aussie, Kiwi or British no.8s at the moment.

MinuteMan.
02-20-2009, 03:59 AM
Just got back from the Waratahs v Chiefs match...and the less said about it the better. It was very scrappy and resembled a subbies game but its good to blowout the cobwebs early I guess, and still get 4 points. These wins will hopefully build character for NSW, but their backs will have to lift.

I'm not sure what to make of the chiefs, if they lose another one next week, they could be done for the year.

MinuteMan.
02-20-2009, 06:50 PM
http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/articles/2009/02/21/1234633114122.html

Holy ****, Giteau is back with the Brumbies

Dom_88
02-21-2009, 12:20 AM
Arghhhh!! So many errors! Stormers always do this. They should have been in the semi's last season, but their start killed off their season effectively coupled by their inability to secure bonus points(this especially). How do you take a 27-5 lead then not get a bonus point with about 30mins left?! And please get rid of Conradie, he's clueless.

KRILLEN91
02-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Arghhhh!! So many errors! Stormers always do this. They should have been in the semi's last season, but their start killed off their season effectively coupled by their inability to secure bonus points(this especially). How do you take a 27-5 lead then not get a bonus point with about 30mins left?! And please get rid of Conradie, he's clueless.

I think it was a pretty even game. The Reds had a lot of chances and possesion in the first half but they just couldn't capitalize on it. Than the Reds just fell asleep in the first period after half time and than suddenly they're 22 points down. Finished off strongly, which was good but Reds seriously need to start getting some wins on the board!

Oh yeh and the Brumbies beat the Crusaders =D

Kiwi_Fella
02-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Ugghh, that was an ugly weekend for the kiwi teams! Just reading the Sunday papers and supposedly 15 players who played for the ALl Blacks last year are injured at the moment. Soft anyone? I dont see the Sth African and Aussie players dropping like flies the same as the kiwis. The backup players did ok in their absence, but they just dont have the experience.

Cheifs did enough to stay in the game but they were never gunna beat the Warratahs missing 4 All Blacks. The Blues were atrocious and look like chumps so far, rudderless. Highlanders and Hurricanes are so so, bit of this and a bit of that, i can say that only the Crusaders are pulling their weight over here. They were missing some key players yesterday (McCaw, Thorn, McDonald) and still only lost it at the buzzer, the rest of the Kiwi teams look ****e.

I cant say much for the Aussie teams either, they've done alright but have hardly done anything to get their supporters going. Its hard to judge the Sth African teams as yet because they've all played at home, so we'll see.

Hopefully the teams will start clicking into gear because at the mo its been pretty painful rugby especially by the kiwi sides!

KRILLEN91
02-21-2009, 09:31 PM
Rank Team Played Won Lost Drawn For Against +/- Bonus Points
1 TeamBulls 2 2 0 0 92 46 46 2 10
2 TeamWaratahs 2 2 0 0 37 29 8 1 9
3 TeamBrumbies 2 2 0 0 51 47 4 1 9
4 TeamSharks 2 2 0 0 45 25 20 0 8
5 TeamBlues 2 1 1 0 51 78 -27 2 6
6 TeamCrusaders 2 1 1 0 35 31 4 1 5
7 TeamHurricanes 2 1 1 0 44 43 1 1 5
8 TeamForce 2 1 1 0 35 35 0 1 5
9 TeamStomers 2 1 1 0 42 44 -2 1 5
10 TeamLions 2 1 1 0 44 53 -9 1 5
11 TeamHighlanders 2 0 2 0 48 55 -7 3 3
12 TeamChiefs 2 0 2 0 20 30 -10 2 2
13 TeamCheetahs 2 0 2 0 38 50 -12 2 2
14 TeamReds 2 0 2 0 44 60 -16 2 2

*Ladder at end of Round 2

MinuteMan.
02-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Ugghh, that was an ugly weekend for the kiwi teams! Just reading the Sunday papers and supposedly 15 players who played for the ALl Blacks last year are injured at the moment. Soft anyone? I dont see the Sth African and Aussie players dropping like flies the same as the kiwis. The backup players did ok in their absence, but they just dont have the experience.

Cheifs did enough to stay in the game but they were never gunna beat the Warratahs missing 4 All Blacks. The Blues were atrocious and look like chumps so far, rudderless. Highlanders and Hurricanes are so so, bit of this and a bit of that, i can say that only the Crusaders are pulling their weight over here. They were missing some key players yesterday (McCaw, Thorn, McDonald) and still only lost it at the buzzer, the rest of the Kiwi teams look ****e.

I cant say much for the Aussie teams either, they've done alright but have hardly done anything to get their supporters going. Its hard to judge the Sth African teams as yet because they've all played at home, so we'll see.

Hopefully the teams will start clicking into gear because at the mo its been pretty painful rugby especially by the kiwi sides!

Do you know why conrad smith and Nonu didn't start for the canes? Did something happen?

Ruhanv
02-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Ugghh, that was an ugly weekend for the kiwi teams! Just reading the Sunday papers and supposedly 15 players who played for the ALl Blacks last year are injured at the moment. Soft anyone? I dont see the Sth African and Aussie players dropping like flies the same as the kiwis. The backup players did ok in their absence, but they just dont have the experience.

Cheifs did enough to stay in the game but they were never gunna beat the Warratahs missing 4 All Blacks. The Blues were atrocious and look like chumps so far, rudderless. Highlanders and Hurricanes are so so, bit of this and a bit of that, i can say that only the Crusaders are pulling their weight over here. They were missing some key players yesterday (McCaw, Thorn, McDonald) and still only lost it at the buzzer, the rest of the Kiwi teams look ****e.

I cant say much for the Aussie teams either, they've done alright but have hardly done anything to get their supporters going. Its hard to judge the Sth African teams as yet because they've all played at home, so we'll see.

Hopefully the teams will start clicking into gear because at the mo its been pretty painful rugby especially by the kiwi sides!

There is something to be said for a lack of depth in NZ at the moment. Losing 15 top level players to injury is harsh, but at no time should a team like the Blues lose by 56 points. There are also quite a few players playing up here in the Northern Hemisphere. This could not come at a worse time when it's only 2 seasons to the World Cup in NZ. Surely this should be a time of rebuilding and working towards that? How could the NZRU let all these players go?

When it comes to those injured players, this is only the 2nd week of a very long season. What gives?


Rank Team Played Won Lost Drawn For Against +/- Bonus Points
1 TeamBulls 2 2 0 0 92 46 46 2 10
2 TeamWaratahs 2 2 0 0 37 29 8 1 9
3 TeamBrumbies 2 2 0 0 51 47 4 1 9
4 TeamSharks 2 2 0 0 45 25 20 0 8
5 TeamBlues 2 1 1 0 51 78 -27 2 6
6 TeamCrusaders 2 1 1 0 35 31 4 1 5
7 TeamHurricanes 2 1 1 0 44 43 1 1 5
8 TeamForce 2 1 1 0 35 35 0 1 5
9 TeamStomers 2 1 1 0 42 44 -2 1 5
10 TeamLions 2 1 1 0 44 53 -9 1 5
11 TeamHighlanders 2 0 2 0 48 55 -7 3 3
12 TeamChiefs 2 0 2 0 20 30 -10 2 2
13 TeamCheetahs 2 0 2 0 38 50 -12 2 2
14 TeamReds 2 0 2 0 44 60 -16 2 2

*Ladder at end of Round 2

You can't make too much from this position as it is too early in the season. The Sharks, Bulls, Waratahs and Brumbies are looking like title contenders. As a Bulls supporter I was particularly happy to thump the Blues by scoring 7 tries. Pierre Spies was huge and back to the form he had in 2007.

pietpoes
02-25-2009, 12:50 PM
You can't make too much from this position as it is too early in the season. The Sharks, Bulls, Waratahs and Brumbies are looking like title contenders. As a Bulls supporter I was particularly happy to thump the Blues by scoring 7 tries. Pierre Spies was huge and back to the form he had in 2007.

Agreed Ruhan, but the Bulls better score bonus point victories in the next two games before they go down under. They've got a tour from hell ahead of them, playing the 'Canes, 'Saders, 'Tahs and Brumbies away, then playing the Sharks in Durban when they get back.

Speaking of Spies regaining form, I was pretty impressed by Habana in the first two games. He's not at his 06/07 form but he seems to be coming off his wing and looking for work alot more. His defense was pretty **** against the Blues though, hopefully he can continue to improve, then rip the British Lions a new one in June!

Kiwi_Fella
02-26-2009, 03:25 AM
Do you know why conrad smith and Nonu didn't start for the canes? Did something happen?

Smith is hurt, Nonu not sure. He didnt play well first round but wasnt any worse than most of the hurricane players, think something aint right with him and the coach.

Kiwi_Fella
02-26-2009, 03:37 AM
There is something to be said for a lack of depth in NZ at the moment. Losing 15 top level players to injury is harsh, but at no time should a team like the Blues lose by 56 points. There are also quite a few players playing up here in the Northern Hemisphere. This could not come at a worse time when it's only 2 seasons to the World Cup in NZ. Surely this should be a time of rebuilding and working towards that? How could the NZRU let all these players go?

When it comes to those injured players, this is only the 2nd week of a very long season. What gives?



You can't make too much from this position as it is too early in the season. The Sharks, Bulls, Waratahs and Brumbies are looking like title contenders. As a Bulls supporter I was particularly happy to thump the Blues by scoring 7 tries. Pierre Spies was huge and back to the form he had in 2007.

Lol cmon man, 15 All Blacks went down, you telling me if 15 bok players went down from your teams, you wouldnt struggle? Any team will struggle with your best players missing. No excuses though, the best teams won on the weekend, abliet the Crusaders being quite unlucky.

I'll be very keen to see how the games go this weekend.

Form players for me from NZ/Aus so far in the games i've seen (Havent seen any SA games)

Digby Ioane - Samoan Aussie tearing it up, looks an awesome player

Kieran Read - Best NZ forward going around so far

David Pocock - better than Smith and Waugh for me so far

Brendan Leonard - Will start n0.9 for All Blacks

Ruhanv
02-26-2009, 05:43 AM
Agreed Ruhan, but the Bulls better score bonus point victories in the next two games before they go down under. They've got a tour from hell ahead of them, playing the 'Canes, 'Saders, 'Tahs and Brumbies away, then playing the Sharks in Durban when they get back.

Speaking of Spies regaining form, I was pretty impressed by Habana in the first two games. He's not at his 06/07 form but he seems to be coming off his wing and looking for work alot more. His defense was pretty **** against the Blues though, hopefully he can continue to improve, then rip the British Lions a new one in June!

Like any S14 year, you have to take what you can get. Our touring schedule is horrible this year and we will live off scraps on the road. If we can win two of those games then we would have done exceptionally well.

Habana is slowly regaining his form. It won't happen overnight but you are 100% correct that he is regaining his form. Every player goes through that 2nd season syndrome and I am just glad he is now back on the road to recovery.


Lol cmon man, 15 All Blacks went down, you telling me if 15 bok players went down from your teams, you wouldnt struggle? Any team will struggle with your best players missing. No excuses though, the best teams won on the weekend, abliet the Crusaders being quite unlucky.


15 Players in a group of 120 odd players or more is not such a big hit mate. It happens every year to all the countries. What really has hit you are all these players playing in Europe. Graham Henry said the same thing in the paper yesterday and it is a concern that so many top class players are injured at the beginning of the season.

NZ has always had played above their weight when you consider the number of players compared to that of Eng or SA, where they have nearly double the amount of players. That shows you how good you are, but there is a concern when it comes to depth.

Players such as Carter, Hayman and Jack are world class though and any team would struggle without them. I assume that they expect to return to NZ next year in time for the world cup but it really does hinder your build up.

Ruhanv
02-28-2009, 06:06 AM
Just watched the Chiefs v Sharks game. What a game! How unlucky can the Chiefs get. In some ways they made their own bad luck with some poor decisions but overall it was just a case of really, really bad luck. At the very least I thought they deserved a draw.

The one try which was disallowed should really have been a penalty try and the one Sharks try came from a forward pass. These things happen but I thought the referee was abysmal tonight. The Sharks probably deserved the win with three great tries and incredible defence but the referee should be kicked out of the tournament. He missed critical forward passes on both sides and nearly half the Chief's lineouts were skew yet were not blown up. Players on both sides held onto the ball in the tackle which resulted in nearly no turnovers, yet none of this was blown up. The guy is an amateur.

Have to say Brendan Leonard had a HUGE game and he surely must be the first choice All Black half back. Donald and Sivivatu had great games as well. On the Sharks side I thought Steyn and Pietersen looked like they were regaining their 2007 form again. Great game to watch and the Chiefs should have a lot more confidence after a great performance.

pietpoes
03-01-2009, 10:08 AM
Looks like Habana is going to miss the Aus/NZ tour after having surgery on a broken hand. ****!

Ruhanv
03-02-2009, 02:37 AM
Looks like Habana is going to miss the Aus/NZ tour after having surgery on a broken hand. ****!

That is a huge setback but it will probably do him the world of good in that he will be well rested for the 2nd half of the tournament as well as the Lions tour. It is going to be a tour from hell and we will need some bonus points from this week's game against the Stormers.

On another note, is anyone else concerned about Brendan Venter's takeover of Saracens. Eddie Jones is still the coach and Venter will take over in the autumn but he has already sacked 15 top senior players including Chris Jack as well as some of the longest serving players.

What is really concerning is that Venter has said that he wants to make Saracens a rugby home for South Africans living in London. As a result he will keep the SA players and he has been speaking to a series of Sharks and Stormers players about signing for Sarries. He is also moving Saracens from Vicarige Road to Fulham Football stadium in order to establish it as a London club.

What concerns is me is that I would be his target audience. An SA supporter living in Fulham but there is already a massive xenophobic backlash against changing Sarries into a SA club. All the established fans will automatically detest the new SA fans. It just leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

pietpoes
03-02-2009, 12:23 PM
That is a huge setback but it will probably do him the world of good in that he will be well rested for the 2nd half of the tournament as well as the Lions tour. It is going to be a tour from hell and we will need some bonus points from this week's game against the Stormers.

On another note, is anyone else concerned about Brendan Venter's takeover of Saracens. Eddie Jones is still the coach and Venter will take over in the autumn but he has already sacked 15 top senior players including Chris Jack as well as some of the longest serving players.

What is really concerning is that Venter has said that he wants to make Saracens a rugby home for South Africans living in London. As a result he will keep the SA players and he has been speaking to a series of Sharks and Stormers players about signing for Sarries. He is also moving Saracens from Vicarige Road to Fulham Football stadium in order to establish it as a London club.

What concerns is me is that I would be his target audience. An SA supporter living in Fulham but there is already a massive xenophobic backlash against changing Sarries into a SA club. All the established fans will automatically detest the new SA fans. It just leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

I remember Johan Rupert wanted to start a South African expats team in the EPL based in London, whatever happened to that? If memory serves me correctly it would involve the Quins in some way.

In what capacity will Venter take over at Saracens? I find it quite strange that a new coach will be allowed so much latitude as to sack 15 players in order to turn Saracens into "London Saffas". Surely it would be crazy for the club's executives to allow a coach free reign like that to run his own agenda?

I agree about the possibility of a backlash, things could get ugly in the crowd. God knows if some pommy tried that **** at the Bulls there'd be hell to pay.

Ruhanv
03-02-2009, 02:58 PM
I remember Johan Rupert wanted to start a South African expats team in the EPL based in London, whatever happened to that? If memory serves me correctly it would involve the Quins in some way.

In what capacity will Venter take over at Saracens? I find it quite strange that a new coach will be allowed so much latitude as to sack 15 players in order to turn Saracens into "London Saffas". Surely it would be crazy for the club's executives to allow a coach free reign like that to run his own agenda?

I agree about the possibility of a backlash, things could get ugly in the crowd. God knows if some pommy tried that **** at the Bulls there'd be hell to pay.

Saracens are 50% owned by an SA company, which also owns 50% of the Bulls and part of the Stormers and Griffons amongst other holdings. Saracens have been losing 2 million pounds a year so they do need some drastic measures to turn this around.

Kiwi_Fella
03-04-2009, 01:10 AM
Just watched the Chiefs v Sharks game. What a game! How unlucky can the Chiefs get. In some ways they made their own bad luck with some poor decisions but overall it was just a case of really, really bad luck. At the very least I thought they deserved a draw.

The one try which was disallowed should really have been a penalty try and the one Sharks try came from a forward pass. These things happen but I thought the referee was abysmal tonight. The Sharks probably deserved the win with three great tries and incredible defence but the referee should be kicked out of the tournament. He missed critical forward passes on both sides and nearly half the Chief's lineouts were skew yet were not blown up. Players on both sides held onto the ball in the tackle which resulted in nearly no turnovers, yet none of this was blown up. The guy is an amateur.

Have to say Brendan Leonard had a HUGE game and he surely must be the first choice All Black half back. Donald and Sivivatu had great games as well. On the Sharks side I thought Steyn and Pietersen looked like they were regaining their 2007 form again. Great game to watch and the Chiefs should have a lot more confidence after a great performance.

Yeah i thought this was a good game mate. I really think it would have been fair for the game to be drawn, but thats rugby.

Chiefs always do this, every year, its getting beyond annoying mate. We dig ourselves a hole every year. Leonard will be starting for the All Blacks if he stays injury free. Sivivatu the same. We really miss Kahui and especially Muliiana, he's a big loss. I thought your locks were strong for the Sharks. Pietersen looks dangerous everytime he touches the ball, good player.

Ruhanv
03-04-2009, 06:34 AM
Pietersen looks dangerous everytime he touches the ball, good player.

When he actually catches the ball! My wife has better ball handling skills than Pietersen. Oh wait that doesn't sound right...:D

Kiwi_Fella
03-05-2009, 01:08 AM
Any of you blokes playing virtual super 14 rugby? I'm having an absolute shocker this year picking games! I got wrong nearly every game i picked last week, f**kin sucks!

xtrmforce
03-05-2009, 01:11 AM
not doing to bad in the tips so far :D

only badly tiped 3 games all season!

Ruhanv
03-05-2009, 03:51 AM
Not playing it this year but it just goes to show how unpredictable this year's tournament is. Of course this makes it so much more exciting. Who would have guessed that the Crusaders would have been sitting in the bottom half of the table after three weeks? The Stormers have failed to live up to their half as well and no one expected the Bulls to be at the top at this stage. The Force beating the Brumbies was another surprise.

There is nothing worse than predictable rugby so this year it has been great!

pietpoes
03-05-2009, 04:28 AM
Just bought my tickets for the Bulls vs Stormers at Loftus. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif Looks like this game's going to sell out by the end of today, hopefully I have a good view of Luke Watson getting flattened! Will try to take pics this time and post em here after the game.

xtrmforce
03-05-2009, 02:58 PM
stormers are doing badly... home games lost..
Bulls are predicted to fall off the pace against tougher opposition.

MinuteMan.
03-05-2009, 03:06 PM
Just bought my tickets for the Bulls vs Stormers at Loftus. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif Looks like this game's going to sell out by the end of today, hopefully I have a good view of Luke Watson getting flattened! Will try to take pics this time and post em here after the game.

Awesome! definitely post some pics up

I was thinking of going to the Tahs v Reds game tonight but I might just watch it at the pub. I'll definitely go to the Tahs v Bulls game though :D

Kiwi_Fella
03-06-2009, 12:30 AM
Finally my Chiefs have won! Few shaky moments but they played well and deserved the win. The Force played ok, but they seem to lack an attacking weapon out wide to compliment Giteau.

Just about to watch the NSW vs QLD game, should be a cracker. I think QLD will get on top, their forwards look impressive to me, especially that backrow.

Kiwi_Fella
03-06-2009, 12:32 AM
Just bought my tickets for the Bulls vs Stormers at Loftus. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif Looks like this game's going to sell out by the end of today, hopefully I have a good view of Luke Watson getting flattened! Will try to take pics this time and post em here after the game.

Cool man, throw some pics up.

I was watching the rugby club today and the reporters over there were saying Watson mouthed off at the Bulls players and supporters last season so he's gunna get rubbed up thats for sure. I actually rate him as a rugby player, just seems one of those blokes who cant keep his mouth shut

pietpoes
03-08-2009, 06:45 AM
It wasn't the best game of rugby, both teams kicked a ****load. Good atmosphere though. Crowd booed the hell out of Twatson!

Bulls 14 - 10 Stormers

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03-08-2009, 07:02 AM
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03-08-2009, 07:05 AM
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Kiwi_Fella
03-09-2009, 01:51 AM
Awesome photos bro, especially the cheerleaders! :)

Looks like a great ground to watch rugby, i'll get over there in the next couple of years i think

MinuteMan.
03-09-2009, 02:44 AM
wow nice pictures man, the stadium looks great

Wouldn't mind a go with that blond cheerleader either :p

Ruhanv
03-09-2009, 05:44 AM
GREAT photos Piet!

I grew up at that ground and it is an amazing place to play. The crowd is incredibly vocal and opposition lineout jumpers hardly ever hear the calls. :) Just looking at the photos, I can almost smell the BBQs, beer and tangerines on sale. Happy days.

The game itself was average and the Bulls seem only lift their game for quality opposition like they did against the Blues a few weeks ago. They then rest on their laurels for poorer opposition and lets be honest, the Stormers have once again not lived up their hype this season. As a Bulls supporter, nailing the Stormers is like nailing Angelina Jolie: It never gets old.

I thought the Sharks looked very good as well as well as the Tahs. Congrats Kiwifella on a deserved victory for your chiefs. They have been getting better each week and this confidence boost will put them in good stead for the rest of the tournament.

ps. Gotta love those Bulls babes.

MinuteMan.
03-13-2009, 10:07 PM
I missed the ACT v NSW game last night, I heard the waratahs played pretty bad though.

Did anyone watch it?

Kiwi_Fella
03-14-2009, 05:30 AM
I missed the ACT v NSW game last night, I heard the waratahs played pretty bad though.

Did anyone watch it?

Nah I missed it as well. I dont think it was that much of an upset like some people are making out. Brumbies at home is a tough ask.

Goliath101
03-14-2009, 06:05 AM
wow and absolute great game from QLD beating the Sharks somewhat convincinly. They looked phenomenal and if they keep this form they should go close to making the semis. I reckon they will end up being the top aussie team the end of the season.

Ruhanv
03-14-2009, 10:22 AM
I thought the Sharks were very flat today. This was their third game of the tour and it is showing.

I am not really convinced about Reds though. Their off loading in the tackle was pretty precise which created some great chances. I though Digby Iaone had a great game and will surely wear the gold jersey at some stage. I don't think that the Reds finish in the top 6 though.

On another note, after huge defeats again this weekend, surely the inclusion of the Cheetahs and Lions is not beneficial for this tournament. It's a bit embarrassing to be honest.

Kiwi_Fella
03-14-2009, 04:55 PM
I thought the Sharks were very flat today. This was their third game of the tour and it is showing.

I am not really convinced about Reds though. Their off loading in the tackle was pretty precise which created some great chances. I though Digby Iaone had a great game and will surely wear the gold jersey at some stage. I don't think that the Reds finish in the top 6 though.

On another note, after huge defeats again this weekend, surely the inclusion of the Cheetahs and Lions is not beneficial for this tournament. It's a bit embarrassing to be honest.

Yeah to be fair, the Sharks have had some relly tough games in NZ so it prob caught up with them. Saying that, i like the look of the reds this year. Although i still think they have a glaring weakness in their front row.

I dont think there are any standout teams in the comp this season. I like it in that its really close. My Chiefs did enough to get over the Highlanders. Masanga will make the All Blacks no problem this season, he's a weapon out there.

How do you rate your BUlls team so far?

MinuteMan.
03-14-2009, 05:33 PM
If you want to watch super 14 highlights check this link from Fox Sports in Australia

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/video/0,,S14%20Match%20Highlights_00,00.html

I'm not sure if you can view it outside of Aus though.

Dom_88
03-14-2009, 06:12 PM
wow and absolute great game from QLD beating the Sharks somewhat convincinly. They looked phenomenal and if they keep this form they should go close to making the semis. I reckon they will end up being the top aussie team the end of the season.

Nah not going to happen. The Sharks have only won 1 from their last 16 games in Australia; they just can't do it. I think top 4 will be 'Tahs, Bulls(although the away games will be telling), Sharks and Canes.


On another note, after huge defeats again this weekend, surely the inclusion of the Cheetahs and Lions is not beneficial for this tournament. It's a bit embarrassing to be honest.

It really is embarrassing; the Lions seem to be those teams that f*ck up other SA teams' plans every once in a while. But the Cheetahs just are useless. Sucks to be Smith and Brussouw

pietpoes
03-14-2009, 06:39 PM
It really is embarrassing; the Lions seem to be those teams that f*ck up other SA teams' plans every once in a while. But the Cheetahs just are useless. Sucks to be Smith and Brussouw

Agreed, and to think that idiot Hoskins is pushing for ANOTHER SA team to be included.

pietpoes
03-16-2009, 12:22 PM
Fuming SARU threaten to 'go it alone'
Yahoo!Xtra Sport / Neil Reid - March 16, 2009, 9:48 am

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The South African Rugby Union is on the verge of quitting the Super Rugby arena, with top-level meetings in the republic investigating the creation of its own franchise competition.

Relations between Sanzar have soured increasingly following its latest board meeting in Dubai a week and a half ago.

SARU is again standing in the way of changes to the current Rebel Sport Super 14; planning to veto the changes to the season structure and Australia being granted a mooted fifth franchise.

The New Zealand Rugby Union and Australian Rugby Union have in turn started working on a back-up plan which would lead to the creation of an Asia-Pacific Super 12.

Under that plan, five New Zealand and five Australian franchises would form their own competition alongside Japan and a Pacific Islands team.

It had been proposed that the top qualifiers from the Asia-Pacific league would then play-off against the top sides from a separate mini-league featuring South Africa's franchises.

However, SARU has turned up its nose at such a prospect.

Instead its officials are now looking at walking out on the Super Rugby arena and setting up a new competition which would feature its five current franchises, a new side based on the Eastern Cape, the national teams from America and Argentina, plus franchises from Ireland and Scotland. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

The resolution to 'go it alone' if necessary follows a top-level meeting in South Africa over the weekend (New Zealand time).

Officials from each of its five franchises, SA Rugby, the SA Rugby Players Association and broadcasters Supersport to discuss the meeting in Dubai and the controversy which has followed it.

All bodies agreed that they could not support its Sanzar partner's wishes, including the push for the delayed start to the season which would in turn impact on South Africa's domestic Currie Cup.

SARU has already sold lucrative Currie Cup broadcasting for the period between 2011-15 and is refusing to agree to a new Super Rugby set-up which would dilute the domestic competition.

The meeting also discussed the merit of setting up a play-off series against the winners of an Asia-Pacific competion.

That was reportedly "wholeheartedly" rejected.

Sanzar must present its blueprint for the future to broadcasters by the end of June.

However, it is looking increasingly likely that the Super Rugby competition might be going ahead without South Africa.





Good on SARU for protecting the Currie Cup, but I hate the idea of SA leaving Super rugby. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

Ruhanv
03-17-2009, 07:36 AM
I dont think there are any standout teams in the comp this season. I like it in that its really close. My Chiefs did enough to get over the Highlanders. Masanga will make the All Blacks no problem this season, he's a weapon out there.

How do you rate your BUlls team so far?

Masaga has been amazing this year. I do agree that he should be wearing black come July as he is the standout winger in NZ at the moment. Blistering pace and bloody difficult to tackle.

In regards to the Bulls, they have exceeded my expectations but they seem to only lift their games against quality opposition. They blew the Reds and Blues away but were average against the Lions.

To be honest I think a lot rests with the game this Friday against the Hurricanes. It's the first of four games on tour and if we win this one it should give us the confidence to win at least two more on tour. If we lose this Friday, then it could be a very long tour. If we could come away with 3 wins and a bonus point or two then I would not bet against us finishing at the top of the log because we always finish strong at home.

So far it has been Happy Days though...:)



Good on SARU for protecting the Currie Cup, but I hate the idea of SA leaving Super rugby.

Piet,

You could ask what do we really gain out of S14 rugby? Our teams are always disadvantaged by touring to the other side of the world and the inevitable losses are not good for our national morale. For too long John O'Neil has just looked out for Aussie interests. The ELVs are a good example of this.

It is also getting a bit tired playing the same teams every year for the past 13 years. Maybe we should look at a different tournament.

pietpoes
03-17-2009, 08:46 PM
Piet,

You could ask what do we really gain out of S14 rugby? Our teams are always disadvantaged by touring to the other side of the world and the inevitable losses are not good for our national morale. For too long John O'Neil has just looked out for Aussie interests. The ELVs are a good example of this.

Good points, but I still love Super rugby. I think everyone in SANZAR gains from the Super 14, it's by far the most intense provincial/club comp in world rugby imo. I think Super rugby is definately one of the reasons that the 3N teams have been so dominant over the 6N.

Fuk knows how o' Neil has so much clout with the IRB. According to his proposal the 3N countries should only have two tiers of professional rugby: Super rugby and internationals http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif. Why should should SA & NZ weaken their rugby to benefit Aus? The IRB & NZRU need to tell O' Neil to get fukked.

His ELVs were introduced to make rugby more exciting & to make the breakdown easier to police - they have had the exact opposite effect. Next o' Neil is going to want 13 players a side to make rugby more "exciting". http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

The ARU and SARU both want an extra team in a Super 15 comp next year, but none of the SANZAR have the depth for another competitive team. The Lions and Cheetahs already get their arses handed to them every week, and where will Aus find the players to start another team? They may poach a few league players and the rest will come from existing franchises, diluting their strength. It's becoming quantity over quality.


It is also getting a bit tired playing the same teams every year for the past 13 years. Maybe we should look at a different tournament.

The problem is which tournament to join? The northern hemisphere plays their club tournaments during our summer. I doubt those teams will be willing to tour SA in the middle of summer. Will most of the NH clubs even be willing (or able?) to send their teams on long tours to SA?

The idea about forming a comp with Argentina, USA and Scotland and Ireland is ludicrous. It will severely weaken SA rugby imo. Argentina has no pro Rugby teams, all their internationals play in Europe, Scottish clubs are hopeless, Ireland only has 2 good teams (Munster & Lienster), USA - http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

If SANZAR can't come to a compromise then everyone loses. Supersport provides over 60% of the SANZAR revenue. How will NZ and Aus rugby stay afloat without SA cash? The domestic tournament started by O' Neil in Aus lasted only a few months before going belly up. The PI teams will bring nothing to the table finantially and the NZ public aren't really interested in attending games. Japan could bail them out but would they really be interested in the current economic climate? They can also kiss goodbye alot of European tv broadcaster cash, they want to show live rugby and the timezone difference will screw that up.

MinuteMan.
03-17-2009, 09:40 PM
^^^

100% agreed. O'Neill's ego is through the roof, the guy goes overboard too much. I don't want a 15th team.

But I did read a great article a few weeks back (which I can't find now) on why aligning with Europe would not work for South Africa. I'll try and find it if I can.

pietpoes
03-17-2009, 10:22 PM
^^^

100% agreed. O'Neill's ego is through the roof, the guy goes overboard too much. I don't want a 15th team.

But I did read a great article a few weeks back (which I can't find now) on why aligning with Europe would not work for South Africa. I'll try and find it if I can.

I read somewhere a while back that NZ and AUS would be joining Kolpak in the near future. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Kolpak, but it basically means that players from Kolpak nations will count as European Union citizens in their sporting comps.

Alot of the EU rugby clubs have quotas for international players but under Kolpak Kiwis & Ausies won't count as foreigners, hence the clubs could field as many Saffas(already Kolpak members), Kiwis, and Ausies as they want.

Can you imagine the exodus of rugby players from NZ if SANZAR implodes? If O' Niell gets his way Super rugby will be the only pro comp in NZ. How will NZ feed these Super teams with young players if the NPC/Air NZ cup is an amateur competition? They will leave in their droves to Europe and probably qualify to represent those nations in test rugby.

Edit: I can't find any links to NZ/AUS joining Kolpak, hopefully it was just a rumour.

Ruhanv
03-18-2009, 03:21 AM
There is another argument which says that Super rugby actually weakens SA rugby. We are always on the backfoot due to the excessive travelling and you can't expect these players to pull on a green jersey in July after losing for 3 months and then to perform.

To travel to Europe is much easier due to it being the same time zone. The tournaments in Europe are also played until mid May so we could always play in Europe for the first two months of the year and then play in SA for the next two. This is entirely feasible and with Kolpac it will mean that European based SA players would still be exposed to SA selectors.

ps. Expect a MASS exodus/retirement announcements from SA players after the Lions tour or possibly the tri-nations this year.

MinuteMan.
03-18-2009, 02:06 PM
Couple of big games this week. I should be focused on the NSW v Canterbury match on Saturday night, but the Hurricanes v Bulls looks like it could be a huge one, especially for the Bulls as they start their tour.

Kiwi_Fella
03-18-2009, 03:20 PM
I dont think Sth Africa is the best option for another team in the comp. I def think SANZAR should look into either the Sth American, United States or maybe Asia. Players are so used to travelling now so that shouldnt be an issue in this day and age, i mean those buggers fly business class anyway!

I think we need to expand the game and including a team from another part of the world would be a huge step in that direction.

Kiwi_Fella
03-18-2009, 03:23 PM
In regards to the Bulls, they have exceeded my expectations but they seem to only lift their games against quality opposition. They blew the Reds and Blues away but were average against the Lions.

To be honest I think a lot rests with the game this Friday against the Hurricanes. It's the first of four games on tour and if we win this one it should give us the confidence to win at least two more on tour. If we lose this Friday, then it could be a very long tour. If we could come away with 3 wins and a bonus point or two then I would not bet against us finishing at the top of the log because we always finish strong at home.

So far it has been Happy Days though...:)



Best game of the week Bulls vs Hurricanes! Should be a cracker

The Bulls can def win any of these games on the NZ leg. None of the NZ teams are doing anything to scare them

Goliath101
03-18-2009, 04:38 PM
my hurricanes will not lose!!!

i tell you what though, that dane coles (the new hurricane hooker) is certainly a bright prospect, although he was suspended due to an assault charge i believe the other week. him and masaga are certainly on my weekly must watch list.

joyofcesc
03-18-2009, 06:10 PM
Best game of the week Bulls vs Hurricanes! Should be a cracker

The Bulls can def win any of these games on the NZ leg. None of the NZ teams are doing anything to scare them

nah, bulls get crushed easy

Ruhanv
03-19-2009, 04:31 AM
I think that this could be a very close game actually. The Bulls do not tour well but in recent years they have been surprising everyone this season. They do not have Victor Matfield or Habana this Friday which does limit their potency.

Can't wait for kick off!

ps. Does anyone know if these games are streamed live online?

Dom_88
03-19-2009, 12:36 PM
I think that this could be a very close game actually. The Bulls do not tour well but in recent years they have been surprising everyone this season. They do not have Victor Matfield or Habana this Friday which does limit their potency.

Can't wait for kick off!

ps. Does anyone know if these games are streamed live online?

Yep. Live24_rugby@Justin.tv

Dom_88
03-20-2009, 01:37 AM
****in ref ruining what could've been a great game with his 93820948248 cards! Oh well, technically he wasn't in the wrong.

Good for the Bulls to remain undefeated and win on the road

Ruhanv
03-20-2009, 02:14 AM
Yep. Live24_rugby@Justin.tv

Mate, that is an email address unless I am missing something?


****in ref ruining what could've been a great game with his 93820948248 cards! Oh well, technically he wasn't in the wrong.

Good for the Bulls to remain undefeated and win on the road

It sounded like he was a bit heavy handed but a HUGE win for the Bulls. The Canes are a great side and to get this win will be a massive boost for the Bulls' confidence in this tour. They remain unbeaten and top of the log even with a game in hand. Next week we play the Highlanders and Habana and Matfield should both be back.

It feels like we won the lottery this year as I never thought we would be higher than 6th place this season. :)

Goliath101
03-20-2009, 03:01 AM
only ended up seeing the last 30mins of the hurricanes game as i was working, but i guess that was good, i dont think i have ever sworn so much in frustration watching a game. the hurricanes are one of those teams that seem to more often than not play poorly. having said that they have been lucky to win many games playing poorly. i cant see how they can get the basics wrong so many times at this level of rugby.

pietpoes
03-20-2009, 03:41 AM
Mate, that is an email address unless I am missing something?



It sounded like he was a bit heavy handed but a HUGE win for the Bulls. The Canes are a great side and to get this win will be a massive boost for the Bulls' confidence in this tour. They remain unbeaten and top of the log even with a game in hand. Next week we play the Highlanders and Habana and Matfield should both be back.

It feels like we won the lottery this year as I never thought we would be higher than 6th place this season. :)

Awesome win for the Bulls! We really needed that win to boost our confidence on the road. I reckon the Hurricanes are the best that the kiwis have to offer this season.

Goliath101
03-20-2009, 04:06 AM
Awesome win for the Bulls! We really needed that win to boost our confidence on the road. I reckon the Hurricanes are the best that the kiwis have to offer this season.

I think you will have to keep an eye on both the chiefs and highlanders. they have to great teams which seem to be getting stronger and a lot more continuity. I wouldnt be surprised if the chiefs were the best kiwi side this year.

they have some great exciting players like masaga, latimer, messam and leonard

pietpoes
03-20-2009, 04:17 AM
I think you will have to keep an eye on both the chiefs and highlanders. they have to great teams which seem to be getting stronger and a lot more continuity. I wouldnt be surprised if the chiefs were the best kiwi side this year.

they have some great exciting players like masaga, latimer, messam and leonard

Yeah, there aren't really any easy beats for the SA teams down under. The Bulls are playing the Chiefs at Loftus though, so you'd have to back the men in blue for the win.

Dom_88
03-20-2009, 07:36 AM
Mate, that is an email address unless I am missing something?


Nah my bad. This guy at www.justin.tv/live24_rugby shows all the S14 games on supersport1 back home. He also has the 6 nations, tri-nations i think and even the vodacom cup lol. If Supersport 1 shows it, he almost definitely is.

Dom_88
03-20-2009, 07:39 AM
I think you will have to keep an eye on both the chiefs and highlanders. they have to great teams which seem to be getting stronger and a lot more continuity. I wouldnt be surprised if the chiefs were the best kiwi side this year.


What?

Goliath101
03-20-2009, 09:15 AM
What?

yep, if you have been watching them they have been extremely competitive so far this season.

MinuteMan.
03-20-2009, 02:13 PM
Nah my bad. This guy at www.justin.tv/live24_rugby shows all the S14 games on supersport1 back home. He also has the 6 nations, tri-nations i think and even the vodacom cup lol. If Supersport 1 shows it, he almost definitely is.

I was in the gym yesterday but saw the wrap up on this link, so it definitely works. Do you know if its showing the Wales v Ireland match?

I wish I had more reps to give you lol

Kiwi_Fella
03-20-2009, 05:23 PM
Matthew Goddard was an absolute joke. He didnt allow any sort of free flowing rugby and fell in love with his own f**kin whistle. It was a shame because both teams are very good and that clown runied it.

I actually thought Hurricanes were more attacking throughout but BUlls were very clinical and their no.10 Steyn directed the team very well, he's a good player.

Kiwi_Fella
03-20-2009, 05:25 PM
Awesome win for the Bulls! We really needed that win to boost our confidence on the road. I reckon the Hurricanes are the best that the kiwis have to offer this season.

The Blues are probably the form Kiwi team at the moment but thats not saying much as their all playing crud.

Dom_88
03-20-2009, 06:03 PM
yep, if you have been watching them they have been extremely competitive so far this season.

Competitive but they've still not gotten the wins they need. 4 losses and 1 win, probably 2 today. They're just a class below the Hurricanes and Blues IMO.


I was in the gym yesterday but saw the wrap up on this link, so it definitely works. Do you know if its showing the Wales v Ireland match?

I wish I had more reps to give you lol

I have no idea. I certainly hope so, I really wanna see that. Go Ireland lol!

pietpoes
03-20-2009, 07:35 PM
Matthew Goddard was an absolute joke. He didnt allow any sort of free flowing rugby and fell in love with his own f**kin whistle. It was a shame because both teams are very good and that clown runied it.

I actually thought Hurricanes were more attacking throughout but BUlls were very clinical and their no.10 Steyn directed the team very well, he's a good player.


Matt Goddard was an absolute disgrace. That's the most pedantic reffing performance I think I've seen. At one of the sin binnings he exclaimed, "I'm not having anyone killing MY ball".

Speaking of kuntish refs, I see that Steve Walsh has been sacked by the IRB for his discipline problems. Pity cos don't think he was a bad ref actually.

Goliath101
03-20-2009, 08:31 PM
Competitive but they've still not gotten the wins they need. 4 losses and 1 win, probably 2 today. They're just a class below the Hurricanes and Blues IMO.



I have no idea. I certainly hope so, I really wanna see that. Go Ireland lol!

all i said was to keep an eye on the highlanders... never said they were going to make the finals. i personally cant stand the highlanders, partially because me and my dad are avid hurricane supporters and my mum, being from otago supports them and also because they have to be the uggliest team in the comp haha


Matt Goddard was an absolute disgrace. That's the most pedantic reffing performance I think I've seen. At one of the sin binnings he exclaimed, "I'm not having anyone killing MY ball".

Speaking of kuntish refs, I see that Steve Walsh has been sacked by the IRB for his discipline problems. Pity cos don't think he was a bad ref actually.

steve walsh was my favourite ref to!! if anyone needs the sac it has to be stu dickenson. my dad always has a few words with him when they bump in to each other

Goliath101
03-21-2009, 03:35 AM
couple interesting results tonights.

the chiefs looked phenomenal, it seemed everything they tried stuck/worked for them.

great game for the whole chiefs pack. notable mentions: luaki(who played a more disciplined game and made lots of ground), messam who had a solid all round performance, leonard with some solids runs and top passing game, both centres defence and the whole back three, with sivivatu getting 4 tries (most trys in a game for the club, tied for most tries in one game overall and most tries for a chiefs player in a career)

think the end score was 63 - 27, the blues did end up with the 4 try bonus point.

crusaders held on to win agaisnt the waratahs. didnt really watch much of this game but it seemed like there were a lot of turnovers from the waratahs and handing errors from both teams

score was 17 - 13 to the crusaders

joyofcesc
03-21-2009, 03:57 AM
Matt Goddard was an absolute disgrace. That's the most pedantic reffing performance I think I've seen. At one of the sin binnings he exclaimed, "I'm not having anyone killing MY ball".

Speaking of kuntish refs, I see that Steve Walsh has been sacked by the IRB for his discipline problems. Pity cos don't think he was a bad ref actually.

man you're insane. Not even close.

pietpoes
03-21-2009, 05:55 AM
man you're insane. Not even close.

Why? Please elaborate.


the chiefs looked phenomenal, it seemed everything they tried stuck/worked for them.

great game for the whole chiefs pack. notable mentions: luaki(who played a more disciplined game and made lots of ground), messam who had a solid all round performance, leonard with some solids runs and top passing game, both centres defence and the whole back three, with sivivatu getting 4 tries (most trys in a game for the club, tied for most tries in one game overall and most tries for a chiefs player in a career)

think the end score was 63 - 27, the blues did end up with the 4 try bonus point.

I only watched the last 30 minutes but that was a very entertaining game. Excellent handling skills from the Chiefs, but the Blues defence was a shambles alot of the time. An odd thing I noticed was that I don't think there was a single tactical kick in the 30 mins I saw.

The Sharks got a good win against the Force. They look like certs for a home semi, winning 3 of their 4 games on tour.

MinuteMan.
03-22-2009, 12:40 AM
Hopefully we've seen the end of Kurtley beale. This dude has been hyped forever since I was in high school and my friends were playing against him. I just don't think he's performing at the level required at the moment.

Goliath101
03-22-2009, 12:57 AM
Hopefully we've seen the end of Kurtley beale. This dude has been hyped forever since I was in high school and my friends were playing against him. I just don't think he's performing at the level required at the moment.

i first played with beale in the nsw 16's and thought that he was overrated at the stage. from memory he made a lot of errors, one which i had to clean up and get collected with haha.

MinuteMan.
03-22-2009, 02:30 AM
i first played with beale in the nsw 16's and thought that he was overrated at the stage. from memory he made a lot of errors, one which i had to clean up and get collected with haha.

damn you must have played at a high level

Its going back a few years, but at the time I thought the guy from riverview, dan kelly, was better in the GPS than Beale, although Beale was only in year 10 then in my last year.

Popcorn_fart
03-22-2009, 03:17 AM
i dont watch super 14s but ima big fan of union(enjoyed six nations) and i watch NRL i have to ask whats up with the attendances for these games? They struggle to get 15k ppl

Dom_88
03-22-2009, 03:24 AM
i dont watch super 14s but ima big fan of union(enjoyed six nations) and i watch NRL i have to ask whats up with the attendances for these games? They struggle to get 15k ppl

Loftus, Newlands and the ABSA stadiums normally get great attendances. The NZ ones are normally partially full to poorly attended. I think Carisbrook might be the worst I see every week, it's pretty sad. I live in Dunedin and I don't really bother going unless it's the Sharks, Canes, Waratahs or Stormers

MinuteMan.
03-22-2009, 03:27 AM
i dont watch super 14s but ima big fan of union(enjoyed six nations) and i watch NRL i have to ask whats up with the attendances for these games? They struggle to get 15k ppl

Most of the fanbase in sydney (Waratahs) are fake ass corporate phaggots

Popcorn_fart
03-22-2009, 03:30 AM
Ah k are you guys into league aswell? I just think its lame that the attendance is so low considering Waratahs are the only team in sydney. The match with crusaders the other night had an ok attendance thou

Hugh Jazz
03-22-2009, 05:01 AM
Matthew Goddard was an absolute joke. He didnt allow any sort of free flowing rugby and fell in love with his own f**kin whistle. It was a shame because both teams are very good and that clown runied it.

I actually thought Hurricanes were more attacking throughout but BUlls were very clinical and their no.10 Steyn directed the team very well, he's a good player.


Matt Goddard was an absolute disgrace. That's the most pedantic reffing performance I think I've seen. At one of the sin binnings he exclaimed, "I'm not having anyone killing MY ball".

Speaking of kuntish refs, I see that Steve Walsh has been sacked by the IRB for his discipline problems. Pity cos don't think he was a bad ref actually.

These.

Fukin horrible refereeing, so much for having the best refs controlling the best teams.

Goliath101
03-22-2009, 05:16 AM
damn you must have played at a high level

Its going back a few years, but at the time I thought the guy from riverview, dan kelly, was better in the GPS than Beale, although Beale was only in year 10 then in my last year.

you have remember beale had the likes of the ellas talking him up, which put him in the spot light at an early age.

but yeah was playing high level rugby all through juniors and school, but ended up doing my knee(acl) half way through year 12 which set me back for a bit. had a year off then came back and almost did my pcl on my other leg. took another year off after that as it took a while to get good, now im playing back at eastwood grade however have done a grade 1 ac injury to my shoulder so im back on the sideline. certainly not fun sitting out on the game you love, also being kiwi, you could gather how passionate i am about rugby. but thats life :)


Ah k are you guys into league aswell? I just think its lame that the attendance is so low considering Waratahs are the only team in sydney. The match with crusaders the other night had an ok attendance thou

ive been watching both the league and union. im liking the 2 ref system as you can see how exciting the games get. also loving the warriors on top with a couple other teams so far.

it seems regular sporting events are losing their popularity with people tending to just watch games at home or at a bar. which i guess im guilty off, use to love going to the games as a younger kid.

MinuteMan.
03-22-2009, 05:21 AM
you have remember beale had the likes of the ellas talking him up, which put him in the spot light at an early age.

but yeah was playing high level rugby all through juniors and school, but ended up doing my knee(acl) half way through year 12 which set me back for a bit. had a year off then came back and almost did my pcl on my other leg. took another year off after that as it took a while to get good, now im playing back at eastwood grade however have done a grade 1 ac injury to my shoulder so im back on the sideline. certainly not fun sitting out on the game you love, also being kiwi, you could gather how passionate i am about rugby. but thats life :)


sucks to hear about those injuries man, I've seen some good players get cut down by them

We got a ton of kiwis and a few south africans in our team, they're awesome to play with, although its just subbies :p

Goliath101
03-22-2009, 05:23 AM
sucks to hear about those injuries man, I've seen some good players get cut down by them

We got a ton of kiwis and a few south africans in our team, they're awesome to play with, although its just subbies :p

who you playing subbies with?? i was going to play either epping or beecroft with some mates, but then got a phone call from eastwood saying to come up, and seeming i was now recovered i thought why not give it a shot.

MinuteMan.
03-22-2009, 05:27 AM
who you playing subbies with?? i was going to play either epping or beecroft with some mates, but then got a phone call from eastwood saying to come up, and seeming i was now recovered i thought why not give it a shot.

Just sent you the answer privately, I don't want to say it publicly lol.

Give it a shot with eastwood definitely, you might regret it later if you played subbies but knew deep down you were capable of more.

MinuteMan.
03-26-2009, 05:01 AM
Huge game tomorrow for NSW against the blues...who knows how auckland will play lol

Looks like I got my wish with beale on the bench, this could be a make or break game for the waratahs. I wouldn't have a clue who to bet on.

Kiwi_Fella
03-26-2009, 05:34 AM
Huge game tomorrow for NSW against the blues...who knows how auckland will play lol

Looks like I got my wish with beale on the bench, this could be a make or break game for the waratahs. I wouldn't have a clue who to bet on.

NSW looked very bad last week against the Crusaders and the Blues the same vs the Chiefs. The boys on the rugby club went for the Blues by plenty which is interesting

Dom_88
03-27-2009, 01:25 AM
OK game from both sides really IMO, but the errors and lack of urgency from the get go cost the Blues; Waratahs were just THAT much better. That try from Tuitavake...wow. Pace, power, agility, skill; everything you want from a rugby player. Met him a few times, very nice and humble guy. Traps are insane though, it's almost ridiculous.

Goliath101
03-27-2009, 02:21 AM
i thought the blues were very poor and that the tahs were deserving of the win, mind you i only saw the second half.

Dom_88
03-27-2009, 02:54 AM
i thought the blues were very poor and that the tahs were deserving of the win, mind you i only saw the second half.

They weren't amazing whatsoever, but I thought they were very poor last week. This week was an improvement...or maybe it's just cause they weren't playing a high scoring team. Tbh the Tahs were not much better but better enough.

Kiwi_Fella
03-27-2009, 03:50 PM
OK game from both sides really IMO, but the errors and lack of urgency from the get go cost the Blues; Waratahs were just THAT much better. That try from Tuitavake...wow. Pace, power, agility, skill; everything you want from a rugby player. Met him a few times, very nice and humble guy. Traps are insane though, it's almost ridiculous.

The Blues forwards were absolutely dominated at the breakdown. They couldnt get the ball to their backs enough which was a shame because they looked dangerous everytime they touched the ball.

Tuitavake is having a good year so far. I rated Rudi Wulf above him but he's been playing really well.

Dom_88
03-27-2009, 10:44 PM
The Blues forwards were absolutely dominated at the breakdown. They couldnt get the ball to their backs enough which was a shame because they looked dangerous everytime they touched the ball.

Tuitavake is having a good year so far. I rated Rudi Wulf above him but he's been playing really well.

Yeah that was what let the Blues down the most. Phil Waugh and co. were killing them. I remember how funny that guy looks in person, like a walking ball of muscle.

I'm surprised toeava lasted that long.

Kiwi_Fella
03-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Wow some surprise results. Bulls getting dond over by the Highlanders and the Reds getting thumped at home by the Chiefs. Bulls forwards looked out of it from the get go. They dont look at all like a top 4 team but to be fair, thats their first loss and every team can have an off night, i was just surprised how easily dominated their forwards were.

My Chiefs look seriously dangerous. Reds at home was a tough game and they blitzed them, the reds were never in the game. Sivivatu, Masanga, Kahui, those guys just tore it up. Reds have one guy in their backline who's dangerous, Ioane, the rest looked like club players

Goliath101
03-29-2009, 12:19 AM
Wow some surprise results. Bulls getting dond over by the Highlanders and the Reds getting thumped at home by the Chiefs. Bulls forwards looked out of it from the get go. They dont look at all like a top 4 team but to be fair, thats their first loss and every team can have an off night, i was just surprised how easily dominated their forwards were.

My Chiefs look seriously dangerous. Reds at home was a tough game and they blitzed them, the reds were never in the game. Sivivatu, Masanga, Kahui, those guys just tore it up. Reds have one guy in their backline who's dangerous, Ioane, the rest looked like club players

i thought the highlanders would win but only 1-12, not by that margin. they played some good footy.

I also backed the chiefs to win, but did not think they would hit 50. I would love to see them take out the tournament this year, they are definitely the most exciting team in the comp atm

pietpoes
03-29-2009, 05:20 AM
Wow some surprise results. Bulls getting dond over by the Highlanders and the Reds getting thumped at home by the Chiefs. Bulls forwards looked out of it from the get go. They dont look at all like a top 4 team but to be fair, thats their first loss and every team can have an off night, i was just surprised how easily dominated their forwards were.

My Chiefs look seriously dangerous. Reds at home was a tough game and they blitzed them, the reds were never in the game. Sivivatu, Masanga, Kahui, those guys just tore it up. Reds have one guy in their backline who's dangerous, Ioane, the rest looked like club players

The Bulls forwards looked really lethargic, and it's only their second game on tour. Highlanders absolutely destroyed them at the breakdown and scrum, and Bulls' support play was crap too.

Chiefs do look bloody dangerous, I thought their performance last week might be a once off but they demolished the Reds too. How fukkin bad was that TMO decision that disallowed the Chiefs third (I think) try? http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

pietpoes
03-29-2009, 08:18 AM
Just saw this:

Brumbies lock Shawn Mackay is in a Durban hospital after being hit by a car


March 29, 2009

ACT Brumbies lock Shawn Mackay is in a Durban hospital after being hit by a car following his side's Super 14 loss to the Sharks in South Africa.

It is understood Mackay, 26, was struck as he and several players were making their way back to their team hotel after they went out following the 35-14 loss on Saturday night.

The Brumbies said Mackay was nursing a broken leg and head injuries but is in a stable condition at Durban's St Augustine's Hospital.

"Shawn is a popular member of the playing group and obviously our thoughts are with him," Brumbies spokesman Nick Smith said.

"While we are still gathering details our primary concern is for Shawn's health and safety."

Mackay, who came off the bench in the loss to the Sharks, joined the Brumbies at the start of the season from the NSW Waratahs.

He has been a member of the Australian Sevens side since 2004 and also spent five years playing rugby league with the Sydney Roosters' junior side.

The Brumbies will remain in South Africa this week ahead of next weekend's match with the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25259522-5002381,00.html

Really hope it's not a career ending injury.

pietpoes
03-30-2009, 12:23 AM
Fark me this sucks

Brumby Shawn Mackay remains in a coma

ACT Brumbies forward Shawn Mackay has a broken neck, a broken leg and multiple facial fractures after he was hit by a car in Durban yesterday.
Mr Mackay, 26, was in a critical but stable condition in St Augustine’s hospital following four hours of surgery.

He sustained a cervical spinal fracture and dislocation (broken neck), compound fractures to his left tibia and fibula (broken leg) and multiple facial fractures and lacerations as a result of the accident.

He will remain in a medically induced coma for the next 36 hours as he undergoes continued treatment.

The Canberra Times understands Sharks players Bismarck and Jannie du Plessis were at the venue at the time of the incident.

Jannie du Plessis is a doctor and it is understood he called an ambulance and was the first person to medically attend to Mr Mackay.

The incident occurred at 4.15am Durban time.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/sport/rugby-union/brumby-shawn-mackay-remains-in-a-coma/1472971.aspx

Kiwi_Fella
03-30-2009, 03:33 AM
Bloody hell, poor bugger. Sounds like the car didnt miss him alright

Goliath101
03-30-2009, 03:43 AM
Bloody hell, poor bugger. Sounds like the car didnt miss him alright

i heard it was an armoured vehicle??

pietpoes
03-30-2009, 04:52 AM
i heard it was an armoured vehicle??

No, apparently it was a Toyota sedan armed response vehicle operated by a private security company.

Unfortunately we need private armed security here in SA as the police are too incompetant and corrupt to do their jobs.

http://www.adt.co.za/images/content/adt-new-vehicle.jpg

Ruhanv
04-03-2009, 03:28 AM
It was so damn close but I will take a loss with a bonus points in Christchurch. The Bulls were terrible at the breakdown and it cost us the game. Ndugane had a great game but Habana was still very quiet on the left wing.

A bonus point at this stage away from home is still not to be scoffed at.

The Chiefs v Lions game was a cracker though. The moment the Lions scored their 4th try and had a 19 point lead with 20 mins to go I had this feeling that they will rest of their laurels for the rest of the game. What an amateurish display by the Lions. Credit to the Chiefs though for a great comeback.

I might have been following a different sport for the past 32 years but I would love to hear the ref who blew this game actually outline his view of the offside rule. There were so many offside infringements on both sides that he did not blow up and some really marginal ones that he did.

MinuteMan.
04-04-2009, 10:53 PM
Sharks are really starting to get hot now. This could be a big weekend for both the bulls and waratahs, I don't have a game that day so I might try and catch it at the SFS. There is a big jam between 4th and 9th, so every point matters now for the teams in contention.

Here's the table, as of Week 8

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3449/super14week8.jpg

Goliath101
04-04-2009, 11:14 PM
i was quite shocked to see that the cheifs were losing 29-10 when i got home. i only saw that last 20 or so minutes and my god what a come back, the lions just went to sleep.

Kiwi_Fella
04-05-2009, 12:03 AM
It was so damn close but I will take a loss with a bonus points in Christchurch. The Bulls were terrible at the breakdown and it cost us the game. Ndugane had a great game but Habana was still very quiet on the left wing.

A bonus point at this stage away from home is still not to be scoffed at.

The Chiefs v Lions game was a cracker though. The moment the Lions scored their 4th try and had a 19 point lead with 20 mins to go I had this feeling that they will rest of their laurels for the rest of the game. What an amateurish display by the Lions. Credit to the Chiefs though for a great comeback.

I might have been following a different sport for the past 32 years but I would love to hear the ref who blew this game actually outline his view of the offside rule. There were so many offside infringements on both sides that he did not blow up and some really marginal ones that he did.

I picked the Chiefs to wallop the Lions by plenty, i think everyone did. They just ran outta gas in the end. I picked the bulls to win mate. I thought with Habana and Matfield back they'd be too much for the Crusaders with all their injuries but the Crusaders did enough. Top e3ffort by the Crusaders pack.

monatu
04-05-2009, 06:21 PM
ah nice only just found this thread

Stormers are yet again the biggest dissapointment in relation to the players they have

MinuteMan.
04-05-2009, 09:23 PM
RIP Shawn Mackay

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/articles/2009/04/06/1238869881159.html

Goliath101
04-05-2009, 11:39 PM
RIP Shawn Mackay

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/articles/2009/04/06/1238869881159.html

wow im totally shocked about this. i never thought he going to die :(

its going to be interesting to see how the brumbies are going to cope in the next couple of weeks.

Ruhanv
04-06-2009, 02:17 AM
I picked the Chiefs to wallop the Lions by plenty, i think everyone did. They just ran outta gas in the end. I picked the bulls to win mate. I thought with Habana and Matfield back they'd be too much for the Crusaders with all their injuries but the Crusaders did enough. Top e3ffort by the Crusaders pack.

We simply made too many unforced errors. On paper we were the better side as well so it might just come down to confidence and being on the road. I expect them to bounce back though this weekend.

Overall I have to say I can't wait for many of these ELVs to be withdrawn. Just watching Guinness Premiership rugby last weekend made me realize that. I do miss the set pieces and the because killing the ball now only results in a free kick, teams are cheating all the time. They should bring back the long arm penalty.

I hate to say it but Northern Hemisphere rugby is currently more interesting to watch. We are playing a League hybrid game in the South which only the Aussies really appreciate. They do so because their game does not revolve around big packs and they do not appreciate the rucks and mauls. John O'Neil can suck my hairy balls!


ah nice only just found this thread

Stormers are yet again the biggest dissapointment in relation to the players they have

At least they are consistant. ;)

bamava
04-06-2009, 02:38 AM
wow im totally shocked about this. i never thought he going to die :(

its going to be interesting to see how the brumbies are going to cope in the next couple of weeks.

Very shocked to hear this too! I always thought that he was recovering, albeit very slowly. Then I turned on the news to hear the bad news. It's a horrible turn of events, especially after his debut appearance. Very shocked.

I actually had the privellege of watching his younger brother playing colts for Randwick. Very talented rugby family!

pietpoes
04-06-2009, 02:42 AM
RIP Shawn Mackay

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/articles/2009/04/06/1238869881159.html

FFS I thought he was on the mend. Absolutely gutted for his family and team mates. I wonder if a case of culpible homicide will be opened against the driver?


We simply made too many unforced errors. On paper we were the better side as well so it might just come down to confidence and being on the road. I expect them to bounce back though this weekend.

Overall I have to say I can't wait for many of these ELVs to be withdrawn. Just watching Guinness Premiership rugby last weekend made me realize that. I do miss the set pieces and the because killing the ball now only results in a free kick, teams are cheating all the time. They should bring back the long arm penalty.;)

Ruhan, the Bulls are starting to worry me. The way they're playing they could very well lose all their remaining games, except the one against the Cheetahs.

Agree 100% about the ELVs. O'Neil is so full of ****, he claims that Rugby in Aus can only survive under the ELVs.

MinuteMan.
04-06-2009, 03:17 AM
FFS I thought he was on the mend. Absolutely gutted for his family and team mates. I wonder if a case of culpible homicide will be opened against the driver?



Ruhan, the Bulls are starting to worry me. The way they're playing they could very well lose all their remaining games, except the one against the Cheetahs.

Agree 100% about the ELVs. O'Neil is so full of ****, he claims that Rugby in Aus can only survive under the ELVs.

eh I'm aussie, and I don't like

They're a bitch to play under too, the only good thing is you can be a bit more aggressive at the breakdown

pietpoes
04-06-2009, 03:29 AM
eh I'm aussie, and I don't like

They're a bitch to play under too, the only good thing is you can be a bit more aggressive at the breakdown

O' Niell is trying to fix something that aint broken. Rugby will never be a dominant code in Aus with all the other footy codes around, but rugby will do just fine like it has for decades.

I was listening to a Kiwi radio station online the other day (Radio Sport I think) and all the people calling in (Kiwis and Aussies) were very much opposed to the ELVs. I don't know where O' Niell gets the idea that Aussie rugby fans want the ELVs, or that rugby will die in Aus without them.

MinuteMan.
04-06-2009, 04:51 AM
O Neill has massive ego, he played a big role in resurrecting Australian soccer when he was CEO and he has done good things for rugby too but the guy thinks he's god or something. I hope the Lions tour is under normal rules, not ELV's.

Ruhanv
04-06-2009, 04:53 AM
Ruhan, the Bulls are starting to worry me. The way they're playing they could very well lose all their remaining games, except the one against the Cheetahs.


We have only lost two games and in the middle of a very difficult tour. To be honest, I did not expect us to win any of these games (except ironically enough the Highlanders game which we lost).

On Saturday we lost due to two reasons 1) Breakdown. We don't commit enough guys to the breakdown and the Crusaders kept stealing our ball 2) Handling errors. Schoolboy stuff and we can resolve both of these this week.

This weekend we take on the Tahs and I do believe that we have enough in the tank to beat them.

pietpoes
04-06-2009, 09:43 AM
O Neill has massive ego, he played a big role in resurrecting Australian soccer when he was CEO and he has done good things for rugby too but the guy thinks he's god or something. I hope the Lions tour is under normal rules, not ELV's.

The Lions tour will be played under northern hemishere ELVs.


We have only lost two games and in the middle of a very difficult tour. To be honest, I did not expect us to win any of these games (except ironically enough the Highlanders game which we lost).

On Saturday we lost due to two reasons 1) Breakdown. We don't commit enough guys to the breakdown and the Crusaders kept stealing our ball 2) Handling errors. Schoolboy stuff and we can resolve both of these this week.

This weekend we take on the Tahs and I do believe that we have enough in the tank to beat them.

You're right Ruhan, I'm a glass half empty kind of guy. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

monatu
04-06-2009, 06:55 PM
The thing is - most of the Australian Rugby populace thinks that every country in the WORLD wants the ELV's. All my mates think they are awesome. They don't realise the only country really pushing for the ELV's are Australia.
And im sorry, but why should the rules of rugby be changed just for 1 country?

ELV's are **** anyway ****ing stupidest amount of fitness has to be done pre-season to be able to play under them....

MinuteMan.
04-06-2009, 06:57 PM
The thing is - most of the Australian Rugby populace thinks that every country in the WORLD wants the ELV's. All my mates think they are awesome. They don't realise the only country really pushing for the ELV's are Australia.
And im sorry, but why should the rules of rugby be changed just for 1 country?

ELV's are **** anyway ****ing stupidest amount of fitness has to be done pre-season to be able to play under them....

lol yeah its a bitch for the forwards

I've also spent so many goddamn hours in the off season practicing goalkicking now almost all the penalties are short arm...

Goliath101
04-07-2009, 04:01 AM
The thing is - most of the Australian Rugby populace thinks that every country in the WORLD wants the ELV's. All my mates think they are awesome. They don't realise the only country really pushing for the ELV's are Australia.
And im sorry, but why should the rules of rugby be changed just for 1 country?

ELV's are **** anyway ****ing stupidest amount of fitness has to be done pre-season to be able to play under them....

So your big down point is that you have to train harder?? I think you should re-evaluate mate. Im a prop forward and getting fitter will only do great for me and the game.

However i dont agree with the majority of the ELVs, i think rugby needs to keep some to improve the game.

Kiwi_Fella
04-07-2009, 04:19 AM
Lets face it, the ELV's do encourage attacking and attractive rugby but we all know that sort of game doesnt win World Cups. A dominate and stifling defense does. I sort of agree with what Sean Fitzpatrick said earlier saying this helta skelta rugby is doing nothing for NZ rugby. 63-30 scorelines are fun to watch, but at the same time you think, bloody hell, are these guys good enough to defend at international level?

Rugby is such a technical game, i do feel sorry for the IRB with all these f**kin rules.

pietpoes
04-07-2009, 05:54 AM
Lets face it, the ELV's do encourage attacking and attractive rugby but we all know that sort of game doesnt win World Cups. A dominate and stifling defense does. I sort of agree with what Sean Fitzpatrick said earlier saying this helta skelta rugby is doing nothing for NZ rugby. 63-30 scorelines are fun to watch, but at the same time you think, bloody hell, are these guys good enough to defend at international level?

Rugby is such a technical game, i do feel sorry for the IRB with all these f**kin rules.

Unfortunately they also encourage aerial ping pong.

Dom_88
04-07-2009, 06:02 AM
Unfortunately they also encourage aerial ping pong.

It's so bloody annoying. I tune into a game only to see the flyhalves and fullbacks trading kicks and waiting for errors. YAWN!!

I saw the other week that the majority of teams who had won actually had less possession but kicked a lot more than the losers. I don't know if it's still so though.

pietpoes
04-07-2009, 06:22 AM
I saw the other week that the majority of teams who had won actually had less possession but kicked a lot more than the losers. I don't know if it's still so though.

That seems to be the trend Dom. Alot of the games I've watched this year the winning team had less possession. I remember the same being true in last year's November tests too.

Ruhanv
04-07-2009, 07:10 AM
Due to the fact that you can now use your hands in the ruck and that killing the ball only results in a short arm free kick, it means that you don't see teams holding onto a ball for many phases. Teams know that they tend to lose the ball after 3 phases and so instead opt to kick before it occurs. Most tries are also now being scored from turn over ball instead of structured play.

I also miss rolling mauls. Rolling mauls forced defending teams to commit players to the maul which means that there are less forwards in the backline, which is currently a massive issue.

End of moan/

pietpoes
04-07-2009, 07:31 AM
Due to the fact that you can now use your hands in the ruck and that killing the ball only results in a short arm free kick, it means that you don't see teams holding onto a ball for many phases. Teams know that they tend to lose the ball after 3 phases and so instead opt to kick before it occurs. Most tries are also now being scored from turn over ball instead of structured play.

End of moan/

Ya that, and not being allowed to kick out anymore when the ball is passed back into the 22.

joyofcesc
04-07-2009, 07:35 AM
I also miss rolling mauls. Rolling mauls forced defending teams to commit players to the maul which means that there are less forwards in the backline, which is currently a massive issue.

:( Remember Collins taking the maul all to himself while tugliani was just waiting on the sides

monatu
04-07-2009, 06:16 PM
So your big down point is that you have to train harder?? I think you should re-evaluate mate. Im a prop forward and getting fitter will only do great for me and the game.

However i dont agree with the majority of the ELVs, i think rugby needs to keep some to improve the game.

No

My biggest down point is they are **** and there is only 1 country that really wants them - Australia.
Does the rest of the world have to be subjected to a quasi-league, aerial ping pong version of Union just so Australia's Union scene can compete with NRL and AFL?

MinuteMan.
04-11-2009, 05:05 AM
Just got back from NSW v Bulls and it was very disappointing. If the waratahs can't win games like this at home, they don't belong at the top. Full credit to the Bulls though, they'll need to play well to beat the Brumbies next week.

pietpoes
04-12-2009, 06:16 AM
Good wins by the Bulls and Cheetahs http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

Cheetahs 31-6 Sharks http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ruhanv
04-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Just got back from NSW v Bulls and it was very disappointing. If the waratahs can't win games like this at home, they don't belong at the top. Full credit to the Bulls though, they'll need to play well to beat the Brumbies next week.

I thought the Bulls were sensational actually. We stole nearly a dozen lineout balls which completely left the Waratahs without a kicking game. I thought the Bulls deserved their win and the Brumbies should not be a problem for them next week. It's not about being arrogant but rather the fact that the Brumbies have been fairly average this year while the Bulls are now getting their 2nd wind.

Having said that the Tah's handling was poor. You really do expect better from a team with so many international players. Same can be said of the Stormers and Lions who performed well below their potential.

Major kudos to the Cheetahs for the upset of the tournament.

ps. Is this the worst S14 tournament since it began 13 years ago?

MinuteMan.
04-13-2009, 04:47 PM
I thought the Bulls were sensational actually. We stole nearly a dozen lineout balls which completely left the Waratahs without a kicking game. I thought the Bulls deserved their win and the Brumbies should not be a problem for them next week. It's not about being arrogant but rather the fact that the Brumbies have been fairly average this year while the Bulls are now getting their 2nd wind.

Having said that the Tah's handling was poor. You really do expect better from a team with so many international players. Same can be said of the Stormers and Lions who performed well below their potential.

Major kudos to the Cheetahs for the upset of the tournament.

ps. Is this the worst S14 tournament since it began 13 years ago?
Yeah the Bulls definitely deserved the win but NSW kept shooting themselves in the foot with stupid mistakes, like the missed lineout which led to the Habana try and the retard flanker not passing it to Rob Horne on the outside in the first half. At least I thought the NSW scrum held up ok, but overall bulls were definitely the better team.

The four finals spots are absolutely wide open now, with about 9 teams in striking position. Should be an interesting round, that's for sure.

monatu
04-13-2009, 07:44 PM
Ruhanv I thought last years tournament was a lot worse than this one.

Kiwi_Fella
04-14-2009, 10:19 PM
I thought the Bulls were sensational actually. We stole nearly a dozen lineout balls which completely left the Waratahs without a kicking game. I thought the Bulls deserved their win and the Brumbies should not be a problem for them next week. It's not about being arrogant but rather the fact that the Brumbies have been fairly average this year while the Bulls are now getting their 2nd wind.

Having said that the Tah's handling was poor. You really do expect better from a team with so many international players. Same can be said of the Stormers and Lions who performed well below their potential.

Major kudos to the Cheetahs for the upset of the tournament.

ps. Is this the worst S14 tournament since it began 13 years ago?

Yeah i dont think the standard has been that high this year. I dont know if its all down the ELVs or what, but the forward play has been very poor, especially the NZ teams, except maybe the Highlanders. One good thing is its pretty close, but yeah, its been pretty bad so far

MinuteMan.
04-15-2009, 06:02 AM
It's crazy making predictions this year as everything is up in the air. I would not even pencil in the Crusaders for a semi spot this year as they have lost so many great players.

I will say that I think that only the Sharks and Chiefs will make the semis from SA and NZ respectively. The Crusaders might get a semi but I won't bet on it this year. The Reds are on the up and so is the Western Storm. The Bulls will probably make the top 6 but that unfortunately is about it. The Stormers will once again believe their own hype and the Waratahs' squad doesn't excite me.

The Highlanders, Cheetahs and Lions will battle it out for last place (again).

You made some pretty good predictions so far!

Most of it was accurate

pietpoes
04-16-2009, 05:55 AM
ps. Is this the worst S14 tournament since it began 13 years ago?

Far from it Ruhan. I agree that the ELVs have had a negative effect on the competition this year, but the final 4 spots are still wide open. Last years comp was worse imo, and from a Bulls perspective I remember some absolute horror seasons from the late 90s.

Remember when the Bulls used to play in the red & blue strip? http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

This weekend's games (Round 10):

Friday, April 17

Blues v Highlanders, 19.35
Brumbies v Bulls, 19.40

Saturday, April 18

Hurricanes v Stormers, 17.30
Reds v Lions, 17.35
Waratahs v Western Force, 19.40
Cheetahs v Chiefs, 15.00
Sharks v Crusaders, 17.05

Goliath101
04-16-2009, 06:23 AM
Far from it Ruhan. I agree that the ELVs have had a negative effect on the competition this year, but the final 4 spots are still wide open. Last years comp was worse imo, and from a Bulls perspective I remember some absolute horror seasons from the late 90s.

Remember when the Bulls used to play in the red & blue strip? http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

This weekend's games (Round 10):

Friday, April 17

Blues v Highlanders, 19.35
Brumbies v Bulls, 19.40

Saturday, April 18

Hurricanes v Stormers, 17.30
Reds v Lions, 17.35
Waratahs v Western Force, 19.40
Cheetahs v Chiefs, 15.00
Sharks v Crusaders, 17.05

whats with the numbers?? im thinking betting odds, but im use to lower numbers with our currency.

pietpoes
04-16-2009, 06:35 AM
whats with the numbers?? im thinking betting odds, but im use to lower numbers with our currency.

Those would be local kickoff times mate. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ruhanv
04-16-2009, 07:41 AM
Those would be local kickoff times mate. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

:D

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Love it.

I honestly think the Brumbies are going to be a bit flat this week. I really feel for them as it was a horrible accident and they lifted their game last week but there is a natural comedown after such an emotional week. I wish the Bulls could have played them under different circumstances but I think this one will go for the boys in blue.

The two games which really excite me this week are the Cheetahs v Chiefs and the Sharks v Crusaders.

On any other week the Cheetahs would not have a snowballs' chance in hell of beating the Chiefs. This weekend is different and the Cheetahs are coming off a great win over the Sharks. The Chiefs have also just landed in SA and will be playing in Bloemfontein which is never a fun place to tour. A surprise upset could be on the cards...

The Sharks were destroyed by the Cheetahs last week and desperately have to pick up the pieces. Fortunately for them they are playing at home but McCaw is back so this would be too close to call. Can the Crusaders still rescue this season or at the very least ensure that the Chiefs get a home semi?

Goliath101
04-16-2009, 04:19 PM
oh course it would hahaha. in my defense i had just finished rugby training, and was exhausted :)

monatu
04-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Im tipping all the home sides to win this weekend. Feeling pretty confident

Ruhanv
04-20-2009, 02:43 AM
Im tipping all the home sides to win this weekend. Feeling pretty confident

Well you nearly got it but there were a few surprises this week. I didn't expect the Force, Crusaders and Lions wins which just shows how unpredictable this tournament has become. I was gutted by the Bulls losing to the Brumbies by 1 point. We had come back from a massive deficit and were leading with 3 mins to go.

This weekend we take on Kiwifella's Chiefs back in SA. The Chiefs are on fire but could homeground advantage be enough to stop them? It's too close to call.

Beatdown_Boy
04-20-2009, 09:48 AM
i agree that the ELVs suck, but i must admit whilst playing under them, i actually enjoy being put under more pressure, and love the fitness i have to have to get where i need to be. it separates those who want it and those who dont.

but overall, i still dont like the ELVs. Lineouts arent as effective as they used to be imo, and collapsing mauls sucks. however, i think i do like the idea of not being able to bring the ball back into your own 22 then kicking it. if there is one ELV to stay, i think that should be it. it encourages the back 3 to run the ball a bit more, or to make sure they cant just run back a few metres for the sake of assuring a further lineout.

pietpoes
04-20-2009, 12:28 PM
Well you nearly got it but there were a few surprises this week. I didn't expect the Force, Crusaders and Lions wins which just shows how unpredictable this tournament has become. I was gutted by the Bulls losing to the Brumbies by 1 point. We had come back from a massive deficit and were leading with 3 mins to go.

Yes, very dissapointing. They really should've won that game.


This weekend we take on Kiwifella's Chiefs back in SA. The Chiefs are on fire but could homeground advantage be enough to stop them? It's too close to call.

Agreed. The Bulls remaining games:

Saturday 25 April Bulls v Chiefs Pretoria 17:05 Too close to call

Saturday 02 May Bulls v W Force Pretoria 17:05 Bulls

Saturday 09 May Bulls v Cheetahs Pretoria 17:05 Bulls

Saturday 16 May Sharks v Bulls Durban 18:05 Too close to call



On another rugby note, the British & Irish Lions squad to be anounced tomorrow around 14:30 SA time. I can't fukkin wait for this Lions tour!

Sat May 30 (3:00pm) Highveld XV, Royal Bafokeng Stadium, Rustenburg 2:00pm
Wed June 3 (7:10pm) Golden Lions, Ellis Park, Johannesburg 6:10pm
Sat June 6 (3:00pm) Free State Cheetahs, Vodacom Park, Bloemfontein 2:00pm
Wed June 10 (7:10pm) Sharks, Kings Park, Durban 6:10pm
Sat June 13 (3:00pm) Western Province, Newlands, Cape Town 2:00pm
Tue June 16 (3:00pm) Coastal XV, Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Port Elizabeth 2:00pm
Sat June 20 (3:00pm) 1st TEST SOUTH AFRICA, Kings Park, Durban 2:00pm
Tue June 23 (7:10pm) Emerging SA, Newlands, Cape Town 6:10pm
Sat June 27 (3:00pm) 2nd TEST SOUTH AFRICA, Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 2:00pm
Sat July 4 (3:00pm) 3rd TEST SOUTH AFRICA, Ellis Park, Johannesburg 2:00pm

I can't believe the Lions won't be playing the Bulls though.

Kiwi_Fella
04-20-2009, 03:27 PM
Its pretty jam packed in the table, cant believe my Chiefs are top of the table! Finally some consistancy! Cheetahs were shocking against them though, big test this against the bulls, time for our forwards to prove they aint powderpuffs and get stuck in.

Still cant believe the job the Crusaders are doing this year. They blooded so many new players and still keep winning, top side.

Brumbies might be the dark horse, they're stringing together some good wins and look dangerous. NSW are look exactly how they've always looked in this comp, predictable. We are the attacking threats in their backline? Tuquiri is, but he's floated through the comp so far hardly setting the comp alight.

Good to see its close though, makes for an exciting last few games

Ruhanv
04-21-2009, 06:12 AM
but overall, i still dont like the ELVs. Lineouts arent as effective as they used to be imo, and collapsing mauls sucks. however, i think i do like the idea of not being able to bring the ball back into your own 22 then kicking it. if there is one ELV to stay, i think that should be it. it encourages the back 3 to run the ball a bit more, or to make sure they cant just run back a few metres for the sake of assuring a further lineout.

Hey BB,

I could not agree more and I believe that they will be keeping that one as well as some of the more established rules which just had to be formalised, such as lifting in the lineout.

Bring back the rolling maul I say!





Agreed. The Bulls remaining games:

Saturday 25 April Bulls v Chiefs Pretoria 17:05 Too close to call

Saturday 02 May Bulls v W Force Pretoria 17:05 Bulls

Saturday 09 May Bulls v Cheetahs Pretoria 17:05 Bulls

Saturday 16 May Sharks v Bulls Durban 18:05 Too close to call


Pietpoes,

When will you learn not to challenge the Rugby gods! I hope you touched wood because if this Super 14 has taught us anything, it is that any team could win on any weekend. I would have preferred a week off before facing the Chiefs at home and it is going to be a cracker. The Chiefs are only flying up to Pretoria on Friday which usually neutralises any effect that altitude would have had on the team.

The Cheetahs could also pull a rabbit out of the hat like they did with the Sharks and beat us next week if we are complacent. I can almost taste that home semi-final though...



On another rugby note, the British & Irish Lions squad to be anounced tomorrow around 14:30 SA time. I can't fukkin wait for this Lions tour!


Squad is announced. As expected O'Connell is the captain but the Welsh and Scottish captains were not selected. Pretty decent squad though.



I can't believe the Lions won't be playing the Bulls though.

Mate, they want to at least win some games. :D

To be fair though most of the Bulls will be in the Bok squad anyway. I was at the last game when the Bulls played the Lions in 1997. The Bulls hammered the Lions that day and it was my 21st birthday. Happy days!


Its pretty jam packed in the table, cant believe my Chiefs are top of the table! Finally some consistancy! Cheetahs were shocking against them though, big test this against the bulls, time for our forwards to prove they aint powderpuffs and get stuck in.

Still cant believe the job the Crusaders are doing this year. They blooded so many new players and still keep winning, top side.

Brumbies might be the dark horse, they're stringing together some good wins and look dangerous. NSW are look exactly how they've always looked in this comp, predictable. We are the attacking threats in their backline? Tuquiri is, but he's floated through the comp so far hardly setting the comp alight.

Good to see its close though, makes for an exciting last few games

Mate, your Chiefs have been HUGE! They started slowly but are peaking at the right time. I have a feeling that the Sharks have peaked too early and have gone off the boil. Having said that they have a week off so they have plenty of time to compose themselves. The Brumbies would be a safe bet as well. The Canes have been consistant though and with a game in hand, I don't see them dropping out of the top four.

If I was a betting man I would put my money on a Chiefs, Canes, Bulls and Sharks.

MinuteMan.
04-21-2009, 06:22 AM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25361450-23217,00.html

Some good news for Australian rugby. I love the aggression Rocky brings to NSW and the wallabies.

pietpoes
04-21-2009, 06:33 AM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25361450-23217,00.html

Some good news for Australian rugby. I love the aggression Rocky brings to NSW and the wallabies.

Great news for the Wallabies, Elsom is a world class blindside.


When will you learn not to challenge the Rugby gods! I hope you touched wood

It's OK I scratched my head after posting that. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

I can almost taste that home semi-final though...

http://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-192.gif


Here's the Lions squad, I'm surprised at the inclusion of Earls, Shaw, Harry Ellis, Monye and Rees. Also didn't expect Blair, Croft and Armitage's ommision. Interesting to see that o' Driscoll is the only home nations captain to make the cut.

Forwards

Back rowers:

Jamie Heaslip - Ireland
Andy Powell - Wales
David Wallace - ireland
Stephen Ferris - ireland
Alan Quinlan - ireland
Joe Worsley - england
Martyn Williams - wales

Locks:

Alun Wyn-jones - wales
Paul O'Connell - ireland
Donnacha O'Callaghan - ireland
Simon Shaw - england
Nathan Hines - scotland

Props:

Gethin Jenkins - wales
Adam Jones - wales
Andrew Sheridan - england
Phil Vickery - england
Euan Murray - scotland


Hookers:

Jerry Flannery - ireland
Lee Mears - england
Matthew Rees - wales



Backs

Fullbacks/Wings:

Lee Byrne - wales
Rob Kearney - ireland
Shane Williams - wales
Leigh Halfpenny - wales
Ugo Monye - england
Luke Fitzgerald - ireland
Tommy Bowe - ireland

Centres:

Tom Shanklin - wales
Jamie Roberts - wales
Brian O'Driscoll - ireland
Keith Earls - ireland
Riki Flutey - england

Flyhalf:

Ronan O'Gara - ireland Only 2 flyhalfs in the whole squad http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0069.gif
Stephen Jones - wales


Scrumhalf:

Mike Phillips - wales
Harry Ellis - england
Tomasz O'Leary - ireland

Kiwi_Fella
04-21-2009, 03:49 PM
Here's the Lions squad, I'm surprised at the inclusion of Earls, Shaw, Harry Ellis, Monye and Rees. Also didn't expect Blair, Croft and Armitage's ommision. Interesting to see that o' Driscoll is the only home nations captain to make the cut.

Forwards

Back rowers:

Jamie Heaslip - Ireland
Andy Powell - Wales
David Wallace - ireland
Stephen Ferris - ireland
Alan Quinlan - ireland
Joe Worsley - england
Martyn Williams - wales

Locks:

Alun Wyn-jones - wales
Paul O'Connell - ireland
Donnacha O'Callaghan - ireland
Simon Shaw - england
Nathan Hines - scotland

Props:

Gethin Jenkins - wales
Adam Jones - wales
Andrew Sheridan - england
Phil Vickery - england
Euan Murray - scotland


Hookers:

Jerry Flannery - ireland
Lee Mears - england
Matthew Rees - wales



Backs

Fullbacks/Wings:

Lee Byrne - wales
Rob Kearney - ireland
Shane Williams - wales
Leigh Halfpenny - wales
Ugo Monye - england
Luke Fitzgerald - ireland
Tommy Bowe - ireland

Centres:

Tom Shanklin - wales
Jamie Roberts - wales
Brian O'Driscoll - ireland
Keith Earls - ireland
Riki Flutey - england

Flyhalf:

Ronan O'Gara - ireland Only 2 flyhalfs in the whole squad http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0069.gif
Stephen Jones - wales


Scrumhalf:

Mike Phillips - wales
Harry Ellis - england
Tomasz O'Leary - ireland


YAWN!!! More of the same. Sth Africa will wipe the floor with these clowns. I like the centres and the prop from Scotland, Murray, but really, these guys have been around for donkeys and hardly set the world alight the last few years internationally.

MinuteMan.
04-21-2009, 04:33 PM
YAWN!!! More of the same. Sth Africa will wipe the floor with these clowns. I like the centres and the prop from Scotland, Murray, but really, these guys have been around for donkeys and hardly set the world alight the last few years internationally.

I think they'll be much mroe competetive this time around, they won't win I don't think though

The back 3 will be awesome no matter what, they'll have a pair of flyers on the wing and Lee Byrne is one of the top fullbacks if he's playing to his ability.

I have a little bit of concern over the back row, but I think Heaslip will make his name on this tour, he has a lot of potential.

Ruhanv
04-21-2009, 04:43 PM
YAWN!!! More of the same. Sth Africa will wipe the floor with these clowns. I like the centres and the prop from Scotland, Murray, but really, these guys have been around for donkeys and hardly set the world alight the last few years internationally.

I agree but it is a great moment when the best of the British Isles take on a Southern Hemisphere nation. I supported the ABs and the Wallabies the last 8 years. It's strange how the Southern Hemisphere pulls together in these tours. It feels like we are representing Southern Hemisphere rugby which is so often lampooned by the British press. Kiwifella, I know you will have a smirk if we give them a hiding. ;)

The first game I ever saw live was a Lions vs SA test and I remember sitting on my dad's lap at Loftus in Pretoria. It's a great occasion but I am putting my money on a 3-0 thumping by the Boks!

monatu
04-21-2009, 06:51 PM
Lions squad is devoid of enough true international quality backs (barring O'Driscoll, Williams and maybe O'Gara/Jones) to be a true threat. They will have a superb forward pack though...

MinuteMan.
04-22-2009, 04:31 AM
http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/articles/2009/04/22/1240079725940.html

Drew Mitchell coming to NSW. My favourite player :)

Goliath101
04-22-2009, 06:28 PM
looks like the force are falling apart!!!

pietpoes
04-25-2009, 01:10 PM
Excellent win by the Bulls against the Chiefs! The pack played well as a unit and Kuun was brilliant. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

Also great work by the Cheetahs against the Saders. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif Outstanding defense! Brussouw really is turning into a world class fetcher.
They really did the Bulls and Sharks a favour.

Kiwi_Fella
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
Well done saffa teams this weekend. Put the Kiwi teams to the sword. I didnt see the Bulls vs Chiefs game but i hear it was a pretty good one. I think the top 4 teams will def be Bulls, Chiefs, Sharks and Hurricanes. Brumbies getting hammered last night and Blues losing pretty much ruled them out of it.

Dom_88
04-25-2009, 06:55 PM
Strong upsets this weekend. Crusaders got their asses kicked(literally). Brussouw looks to be a Bok star in the making.

Goliath101
04-25-2009, 09:05 PM
wow did not expect my hurricanes to make the top spot this year.

top 4
Hurricanes 34
Bulls 33
Chiefs 32
Sharks 31

then the Blues on 30

going to be an interesting last few weeks!!

Kiwi_Fella
04-25-2009, 10:10 PM
I agree but it is a great moment when the best of the British Isles take on a Southern Hemisphere nation. I supported the ABs and the Wallabies the last 8 years. It's strange how the Southern Hemisphere pulls together in these tours. It feels like we are representing Southern Hemisphere rugby which is so often lampooned by the British press. Kiwifella, I know you will have a smirk if we give them a hiding. ;)

The first game I ever saw live was a Lions vs SA test and I remember sitting on my dad's lap at Loftus in Pretoria. It's a great occasion but I am putting my money on a 3-0 thumping by the Boks!


Look what happened last time Lions ventured out, they got obliterated. The Bulls and Sharks will dominate the Sth African selections and both teams have looked very good this year. Of course i'll have a smirk on my face when you beat them mate, they always talk a good game but nearly always fall apart when the going gets tough.

Ruhanv
04-27-2009, 02:44 AM
Excellent win by the Bulls against the Chiefs! The pack played well as a unit and Kuun was brilliant. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif


Oh ye of little faith Piet. ;) And now we have two home games, vs Force and Cheetahs as well as the Sharks in Durban. We stand a real chance of a Loftus semi final. I told my mate that I could be tempted to pop down to Pretoria for a cheeky long weekend if he can get me a ticket for the home semi. I still have to clear it with the wife though...:D


Strong upsets this weekend. Crusaders got their asses kicked(literally). Brussouw looks to be a Bok star in the making.

It was quite visionary of Pieter de Villiers to pick him for the end of year tour last year. He did get a few minutes on the pitch but I would expect him to be on standby for the Lions tour. He is such a great fetcher but his small stature would normally have kept him out of most SA sides as he isn't a lineout option. His work at the breakdown more than makes up for it though.


Look what happened last time Lions ventured out, they got obliterated. The Bulls and Sharks will dominate the Sth African selections and both teams have looked very good this year. Of course i'll have a smirk on my face when you beat them mate, they always talk a good game but nearly always fall apart when the going gets tough.

From your lips to God's ears mate! :)

Dom_88
04-28-2009, 10:50 PM
WTF? Lauaki nearly takes Habana's head off and gets off on a technicality(which could and should have been overruled) and Cowan escapes as well. Judiciary's a joke, this just reaffirms it

Ruhanv
04-29-2009, 03:41 AM
WTF? Lauaki nearly takes Habana's head off and gets off on a technicality(which could and should have been overruled) and Cowan escapes as well. Judiciary's a joke, this just reaffirms it

It baffles me that he got off because the Bulls were slightly late in filing this complaint. On the other hand the Bulls should be a bit more professional and get these things in on time.

Having said that, this whole process is so inconsistant and subjective.

Kiwi_Fella
05-02-2009, 04:24 PM
Well its pretty much confirmed who the top four are, the final placing are another thing though, as i type this:

1.Hurricanes
2.Chiefs
3.Bulls
4.Sharks

Next week is going to be very interesting with the Chiefs vs Hurricanes game, game of the week by a mile. Both teams are dangerous with ball in hand but seem to give up to many points on defense.

Sharks have the Warratahs, this could be a bump in the rd for them. NSW sit 5th and could easily knock the Sharks over. Bulls should have no problem accounting for the Cheetahs.

Things should become clearly after this weekend

MinuteMan.
05-02-2009, 04:36 PM
Well its pretty much confirmed who the top four are, the final placing are another thing though, as i type this:

1.Hurricanes
2.Chiefs
3.Bulls
4.Sharks

Next week is going to be very interesting with the Chiefs vs Hurricanes game, game of the week by a mile. Both teams are dangerous with ball in hand but seem to give up to many points on defense.

Sharks have the Warratahs, this could be a bump in the rd for them. NSW sit 5th and could easily knock the Sharks over. Bulls should have no problem accounting for the Cheetahs.

Things should become clearly after this weekend

I think the top 4 is far from settled to be honest. If NSW win, they have the sharks spot, and that is definitely a possibility.

The Brumbies should beat the blues too, so they'll be in the mix, especially if they can get a bonus point

Kiwi_Fella
05-02-2009, 05:27 PM
I think the top 4 is far from settled to be honest. If NSW win, they have the sharks spot, and that is definitely a possibility.

The Brumbies should beat the blues too, so they'll be in the mix, especially if they can get a bonus point

Yeah its going to be tight for the last two spots, but i pretty much think you can pencil in the Hurricanes and Bulls. The last 2 spots are up for grabs

MinuteMan.
05-02-2009, 05:50 PM
Yeah its going to be tight for the last two spots, but i pretty much think you can pencil in the Hurricanes and Bulls. The last 2 spots are up for grabs

The sharks are probably strong favorites too, I didn't realize how many injuries there were in the NSW backline (tuqiri, horne, norton-knight).

Ruhanv
05-05-2009, 02:46 AM
Well its pretty much confirmed who the top four are, the final placing are another thing though, as i type this:

1.Hurricanes
2.Chiefs
3.Bulls
4.Sharks

Next week is going to be very interesting with the Chiefs vs Hurricanes game, game of the week by a mile. Both teams are dangerous with ball in hand but seem to give up to many points on defense.

Sharks have the Warratahs, this could be a bump in the rd for them. NSW sit 5th and could easily knock the Sharks over. Bulls should have no problem accounting for the Cheetahs.

Things should become clearly after this weekend

I think you have it spot on mate. I am worrying about the Sharks as they have had some key injuries and seem to be grinding out recent victories. The Tahs could upset them this weekend.

You should be pretty chuffed with your Chiefs. They have really gained momentum as the season has progressed and look like a real title challenger at the moment. So do the Canes and the Bulls and in the end I believe that home ground advantage will decide the semi-final victors. So it is all to play for.

The Bulls should get a bonus point against the Cheetahs but this is a derby match as these two predominantly Afrikaans speaking teams have often lifted their games against each other in the past. I do hope the Bulls get a home semi as my mate can get me a ticket for the game and flights are quite reasonable. I might just zip down for a long weekend...

monatu
05-05-2009, 05:23 PM
I watched the European/Heineken/whatever cup Semi's the other day.

Leinster v Munster and Cardiff v Leicester.

Better quality rugby than anything the super 14 has dished up in years (although the cardiff v leicester game ended poorly).

Bring back the old rules.

The game flowed SO MUCH MORE, there was MORE running. Why? Because slowing the ball down at the ruck would result in a penalty instead of some flaky free kick where 99% chance there will be no points scored.

Kiwi_Fella
05-05-2009, 05:28 PM
I think you have it spot on mate. I am worrying about the Sharks as they have had some key injuries and seem to be grinding out recent victories. The Tahs could upset them this weekend.

You should be pretty chuffed with your Chiefs. They have really gained momentum as the season has progressed and look like a real title challenger at the moment. So do the Canes and the Bulls and in the end I believe that home ground advantage will decide the semi-final victors. So it is all to play for.

The Bulls should get a bonus point against the Cheetahs but this is a derby match as these two predominantly Afrikaans speaking teams have often lifted their games against each other in the past. I do hope the Bulls get a home semi as my mate can get me a ticket for the game and flights are quite reasonable. I might just zip down for a long weekend...

Yeah i've been pretty happy with the way the Chiefs have gone, especially losing their 2 strike wingers, Sivivatu and Mesanga for the Sth African tour. With those 2 coming back into it, the Chiefs will be very dangerous. The tight 5 is the weak link for us, but they've done enough so far. They'll def struggle if they meet the Bulls who have some giant oaks in there.

Haha, mate why not go down for a weekend if you blokes get the home semi. Cheap as chips on the pound!

Goliath101
05-05-2009, 06:12 PM
I watched the European/Heineken/whatever cup Semi's the other day.

Leinster v Munster and Cardiff v Leicester.

Better quality rugby than anything the super 14 has dished up in years (although the cardiff v leicester game ended poorly).

Bring back the old rules.

The game flowed SO MUCH MORE, there was MORE running. Why? Because slowing the ball down at the ruck would result in a penalty instead of some flaky free kick where 99% chance there will be no points scored.


theres more running?? i agree almost all of these elvs should go, but there diffinately isnt more running. when there is a free kick, most teams will opt to tap and run, when there is a penalty most teams will stop, and either take a shot at goal or kick the ball out. I dont see how you got more running out or full arm penalties..

MinuteMan.
05-06-2009, 06:14 PM
theres more running?? i agree almost all of these elvs should go, but there diffinately isnt more running. when there is a free kick, most teams will opt to tap and run, when there is a penalty most teams will stop, and either take a shot at goal or kick the ball out. I dont see how you got more running out or full arm penalties..

As a winger I'd have to run more before to get back in position to cover and return kicks. Under ELVs I'll hang around just behind the defensive line more. There's more running for the forwards now but less for me :p

monatu
05-06-2009, 07:28 PM
theres more running?? i agree almost all of these elvs should go, but there diffinately isnt more running. when there is a free kick, most teams will opt to tap and run, when there is a penalty most teams will stop, and either take a shot at goal or kick the ball out. I dont see how you got more running out or full arm penalties..

Oh a free kick? Tap the ball and give it to a fat **** to run ahead 5 metres and set up a ruck? How is that different to setting up a lineout and playing off that?

The game flows more freely because the players did not want to concede penalties! Did you read my post? They do not infringe at the ruck and slow the ball down as much because if they did there would be actual consequences (not just a free kick) and so the game flowed.

Goliath101
05-06-2009, 10:52 PM
Oh a free kick? Tap the ball and give it to a fat **** to run ahead 5 metres and set up a ruck? How is that different to setting up a lineout and playing off that?

The game flows more freely because the players did not want to concede penalties! Did you read my post? They do not infringe at the ruck and slow the ball down as much because if they did there would be actual consequences (not just a free kick) and so the game flowed.

wow a fat ****... would love to run at you :)

Most taps are taken quickly and 10m+ gains are made quite a lot of the time, it is only the teams at the bottom of the ladder that don't tend to take advantage of this as much as they should. and if the ball is slow for the quick taps many teams opt for the scrum which lets the back do a set play.

Oh and a survey which was shown on one of the Foxsports rugby shows showed that the ball was in play longer, so eh more running. As well as more tries on average per match.

but either way, its irrelevant, the ELVs are getting the boot aren't they?

Ruhanv
05-07-2009, 03:00 AM
wow a fat ****... would love to run at you :)

Most taps are taken quickly and 10m+ gains are made quite a lot of the time, it is only the teams at the bottom of the ladder that don't tend to take advantage of this as much as they should. and if the ball is slow for the quick taps many teams opt for the scrum which lets the back do a set play.

Oh and a survey which was shown on one of the Foxsports rugby shows showed that the ball was in play longer, so eh more running. As well as more tries on average per match.

but either way, its irrelevant, the ELVs are getting the boot aren't they?

I think that you are missing the point a little mate. His concern is not about ball being in play or not but rather that people are now killing the ball more than ever before because you can't get a penalty. This is particularly important when you are defending on your goal line and under the ELVs you don't have to worry about giving away a penalty in front of your own posts. This makes for ugly rugby and it slows the ball down.

The statistic about the ball being in play that Foxsports used does not account for this. Because free kicks are taken quickly and the ball is in play while being slowed down, the stats will always show that the ball is in play more.

There are other problems with this specific ELV because players can now use their hands in the ruck. That means that you hardly ever see a team putting together more than 3 phases. As a result they would rather kick up an unders and take their chances.

Lets also be clear here. The ONLY country who really benefits from the ELVs is Australia. All the other major test nations use set pieces as a strength.

Goliath101
05-07-2009, 03:47 AM
I think that you are missing the point a little mate. His concern is not about ball being in play or not but rather that people are now killing the ball more than ever before because you can't get a penalty. This is particularly important when you are defending on your goal line and under the ELVs you don't have to worry about giving away a penalty in front of your own posts. This makes for ugly rugby and it slows the ball down.

The statistic about the ball being in play that Foxsports used does not account for this. Because free kicks are taken quickly and the ball is in play while being slowed down, the stats will always show that the ball is in play more.

There are other problems with this specific ELV because players can now use their hands in the ruck. That means that you hardly ever see a team putting together more than 3 phases. As a result they would rather kick up an unders and take their chances.

Lets also be clear here. The ONLY country who really benefits from the ELVs is Australia. All the other major test nations use set pieces as a strength.

I dont even think australia would have done any better under the ELVs in the international comp anyway.

Ruhanv
05-11-2009, 01:54 AM
The way that the Sharks have lost the plot this year has been astounding. No one would have predicted their loss of form even given the injuries which they have suffered.

The Chiefs and the Bulls bot exceeded expectations which is great for Kiwifella and I. It's been a pretty good season as far as results are concerned. I am really chuffed that Habana has discovered his form again. Just in time for the Lion cubs next month. :D

MinuteMan.
05-11-2009, 04:16 AM
The way that the Sharks have lost the plot this year has been astounding. No one would have predicted their loss of form even given the injuries which they have suffered.

The Chiefs and the Bulls bot exceeded expectations which is great for Kiwifella and I. It's been a pretty good season as far as results are concerned. I am really chuffed that Habana has discovered his form again. Just in time for the Lion cubs next month. :D

Man I can't wait for the Lions series, IMO its just below the world cup as far as being the pinnacle of rugby, there is so much tradition involved. I think it will be more competitive than 2005 but I don't see South Africa losing two tests at home.

With the Super 14, it looks like the tahs are pretty much done, they can blame themselves for not beating the bulls or force in Sydney. Although I guess anything can happen in the final round.

Edit - so much for my prediction on Queensland, although they did look hot at times when they were fully healthy and focused.

Goliath101
05-11-2009, 04:31 AM
Man I can't wait for the Lions series, IMO its just below the world cup as far as being the pinnacle of rugby, there is so much tradition involved. I think it will be more competitive than 2005 but I don't see South Africa losing two tests at home.

With the Super 14, it looks like the tahs are pretty much done, they can blame themselves for not beating the bulls or force in Sydney. Although I guess anything can happen in the final round.

Edit - so much for my prediction on Queensland, although they did look hot at times when they were fully healthy and focused.

the reds underperformed greatly this season. they had so many great players and what appeared to be a team that could perform well this season. I had hoped that they would be one of the better aussie teams this year.

MinuteMan.
05-11-2009, 04:35 AM
the reds underperformed greatly this season. they had so many great players and what appeared to be a team that could perform well this season. I had hoped that they would be one of the better aussie teams this year.

Yeah they have so much potential, especially in that backline..who knows when they will ever get it together though

Goliath101
05-11-2009, 05:11 AM
Yeah they have so much potential, especially in that backline..who knows when they will ever get it together though

well they do have quite a young pack so hopefully it will start to click next season. took the force a couple years to start to get the continuity.

pietpoes
05-14-2009, 09:12 AM
Man I can't wait for the games this weekend! Really nervous about the Sharks vs Bulls game. Must win game for the Bulls to have a home semi final. This is going to be the game of the season as far as Saffa derbies go. The Bulls will have to play very well to beat the Sharks at Kingspark.

My winners in bold:

Friday , May 15

Chiefs vs ACT Brumbies 19:35
Lions vs NSW Waratahs 19:10

Saturday , May 16

Blues vs Crusaders 19:35
Queensland Reds vs Hurricanes 19:40
Western Force vs Highlanders 19:45
Free State Cheetahs vs Stormers 16:00
Sharks vs Bulls 18:00 too close to call

Current standings:

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/poespiet/table.jpg

monatu
05-14-2009, 05:04 PM
I reckon the Sharks will win if other results go there way, but if by the time the Bulls/Sharks game rolls around and the Sharks have no chance at the top 4 the bulls will win.

MinuteMan.
05-14-2009, 08:56 PM
I think the Bulls and Chiefs will win but I don't see any other results going NSW's way.

Kiwi_Fella
05-15-2009, 06:24 PM
What the f**k is going on with this board? I've posted 3 different times in the last few days in this thread and nothing has come up? Anyway...

Chiefs were ****e last night, but they did enough to win which is all that counted. Sorry Ruhanv, but i need the Sharks to do your boys over this weekend, get my Chiefs to the top.

I really think the Crusaders will put the Blues to the sword, if that happens and they get a bonus point win, Sharks lose, then they will prob make it. The Hurrincanes are looking at 40+ against the Reds who unfortunately have club players filling in with all their injuries. So 3 kiwi teams and the Bulls?

1. Bulls
2. Chiefs
3. Hurricanes
4. Crusaders

Goliath101
05-15-2009, 06:59 PM
What the f**k is going on with this board? I've posted 3 different times in the last few days in this thread and nothing has come up? Anyway...

Chiefs were ****e last night, but they did enough to win which is all that counted. Sorry Ruhanv, but i need the Sharks to do your boys over this weekend, get my Chiefs to the top.

I really think the Crusaders will put the Blues to the sword, if that happens and they get a bonus point win, Sharks lose, then they will prob make it. The Hurrincanes are looking at 40+ against the Reds who unfortunately have club players filling in with all their injuries. So 3 kiwi teams and the Bulls?

1. Bulls
2. Chiefs
3. Hurricanes
4. Crusaders


If the crusaders happen to when this year, thats going to be amazing. they were all but written off at the start of the season, and now it looks like they are just going to squeeze into the semis.

only saw the second half of the chiefs game, seemed stu dickenson is still getting a few calls wrong (can't stand him, i think hes the worst ref, and i let him know that when i bump in to him). and knowing my luck stu will get the game with the hurricanes and his track record with them has been abysmal.

The hooker de malmanche looked extremely strong in his carries and i thought it was a bit weird to take him off when he was playing so well, either way turn out he came back on with another player getting an injury.

cant wait for the sharks v bulls match!!

Kiwi_Fella
05-15-2009, 08:43 PM
If the crusaders happen to when this year, thats going to be amazing. they were all but written off at the start of the season, and now it looks like they are just going to squeeze into the semis.

only saw the second half of the chiefs game, seemed stu dickenson is still getting a few calls wrong (can't stand him, i think hes the worst ref, and i let him know that when i bump in to him). and knowing my luck stu will get the game with the hurricanes and his track record with them has been abysmal.

The hooker de malmanche looked extremely strong in his carries and i thought it was a bit weird to take him off when he was playing so well, either way turn out he came back on with another player getting an injury.

cant wait for the sharks v bulls match!!

Dont get me started on Dickison mate, just spoils games everytime. Saying that, the Chiefs fumbled so much ball and bombed alot of try scoring oppotunities.

De Malmanche is a solid hooker, not yet All Black material though. His throwing is very poor and although a former prop, his scrummaging is way behind Hore and Mealamu at the mo, but he's a definite prospect. Other than the 'Beast', i dont know any one who runs the ball back harder than him. He actually trains at my gym and his a solid lump, put it that way!

I'm off to catch all the rugga on now, cant wait!

Goliath101
05-15-2009, 09:31 PM
Dont get me started on Dickison mate, just spoils games everytime. Saying that, the Chiefs fumbled so much ball and bombed alot of try scoring oppotunities.

De Malmanche is a solid hooker, not yet All Black material though. His throwing is very poor and although a former prop, his scrummaging is way behind Hore and Mealamu at the mo, but he's a definite prospect. Other than the 'Beast', i dont know any one who runs the ball back harder than him. He actually trains at my gym and his a solid lump, put it that way!

I'm off to catch all the rugga on now, cant wait!

yep gunna be a good night of rugga!!!

Goliath101
05-16-2009, 07:05 PM
bah!! the sharks were so close to beating the bulls!! my hurricanes could have had a home semi :( ah well.

final four stands at
Bulls 46
Chiefs 45
Hurricanes 44
Crusaders 41

Dom_88
05-16-2009, 07:06 PM
Well I'm glad the Bulls got a home semi. Can't believe the Crusaders did it again. Sharks blew it yet again, believed their own hype and couldn't get ****ing bonus points!

MinuteMan.
05-16-2009, 07:11 PM
It sucks that no aussie teams made it in, but NSW and ACT were both close.

I'd hate to have to predict who is going to win it from here, it could really be any of the teams.

monatu
05-16-2009, 07:49 PM
It sucks that no aussie teams made it in, but NSW and ACT were both close.

I'd hate to have to predict who is going to win it from here, it could really be any of the teams.

Bulls will win at Loftus against the Saders.

Dunno bout Hurricanes/Chiefs. Chiefs looked very unconvincing against the Brumbies although weather and the fact that they were just playing to win have to be factored in.

Goliath101
05-16-2009, 07:58 PM
Bulls will win at Loftus against the Saders.

Dunno bout Hurricanes/Chiefs. Chiefs looked very unconvincing against the Brumbies although weather and the fact that they were just playing to win have to be factored in.

I think this is only the chiefs second venture into the finals, so you can bet they are going to be giving it more than their all, should make for a great game.

I also think its great that the hurricanes under collin cooper have made the finals 5 out of the 7 seasons with him. maybe its their time to get a chamionship under their belt?

Kiwi_Fella
05-16-2009, 08:22 PM
Bulls will win at Loftus against the Saders.

Dunno bout Hurricanes/Chiefs. Chiefs looked very unconvincing against the Brumbies although weather and the fact that they were just playing to win have to be factored in.

I wouldnt write off the Crusaders so easily mate. They're a tried and tested outfit and they'll have no qualms about going to Sth Africa and winning

Kiwi_Fella
05-16-2009, 08:24 PM
I think this is only the chiefs second venture into the finals, so you can bet they are going to be giving it more than their all, should make for a great game.

I also think its great that the hurricanes under collin cooper have made the finals 5 out of the 7 seasons with him. maybe its their time to get a chamionship under their belt?

Looking good for your hurricanes mate. Our star halfback is out with a torn hamstring! Not only does that suck for the semi final, but also him starting for the All Blacks!

The Hurricanes cruised last night. They never really looked in trouble and took the foot off the pedal after going up by 20 or whatever. Victor Vito is a star in the making at blindside

Kiwi_Fella
05-16-2009, 08:27 PM
It sucks that no aussie teams made it in, but NSW and ACT were both close.

I'd hate to have to predict who is going to win it from here, it could really be any of the teams.

To be honest mate, neither of those teams derserved to make the semi's this year. NSW as ever, underperformed all year and the Brumbies only really put it together in the last 4-5 weeks. Aussies will still have a strong Tri-Nations squad

Goliath101
05-16-2009, 09:42 PM
Looking good for your hurricanes mate. Our star halfback is out with a torn hamstring! Not only does that suck for the semi final, but also him starting for the All Blacks!

The Hurricanes cruised last night. They never really looked in trouble and took the foot off the pedal after going up by 20 or whatever. Victor Vito is a star in the making at blindside

ahh that sucks for leonard, hes on of my favourite players!! such a great runner, he always seems to get line breaks.

Victor Vito was phenomenal, great running and off loading skill and he also showed some great defence!

MinuteMan.
05-16-2009, 11:24 PM
To be honest mate, neither of those teams derserved to make the semi's this year. NSW as ever, underperformed all year and the Brumbies only really put it together in the last 4-5 weeks. Aussies will still have a strong Tri-Nations squad

That's probably fair enough but there are always what ifs when NSW had already beaten the Chiefs and Canes. If the backline changes had been made earlier in the season, I'm 100% sure the waratahs would have had a finals spot and probably a home semi. Then again, they lost stupid, winnable games against the Bulls and Force at home. But it is what it is, so I look forward to the internationals now :)

Hope the hurricanes or chiefs win from here.

Goliath101
05-18-2009, 01:33 AM
That's probably fair enough but there are always what ifs when NSW had already beaten the Chiefs and Canes. If the backline changes had been made earlier in the season, I'm 100% sure the waratahs would have had a finals spot and probably a home semi. Then again, they lost stupid, winnable games against the Bulls and Force at home. But it is what it is, so I look forward to the internationals now :)

Hope the hurricanes or chiefs win from here.

well there should be a good chance that one of them will make it :p

looks like leonard is out for 3 weeks, which is unfortunate for him an the chiefs. however he is lucky it doesnt seem to be a major hamstring injury.

Ruhanv
05-18-2009, 02:27 AM
bah!! the sharks were so close to beating the bulls!! my hurricanes could have had a home semi :( ah well.

final four stands at
Bulls 46
Chiefs 45
Hurricanes 44
Crusaders 41

Well if you told me that this would be the final four 5 months ago I would have laughed in your face. At the very least I thought the Bulls would have been lucky to make the top 6.

This semi-final also seems to be a replay of the 2007 semi against the Crusaders at Loftus after they had beaten us in Christchurch earlier in the campaign. Homeground advantage will count for at least 10 points as the players will know that a win will secure a final at home as well.

The Chiefs v Canes will be a close call though. Once again homeground advantage will be a big boost but the Canes just seem to be playing a more structured and organized game at the moment.

Can't wait for the weekend!

MinuteMan.
05-18-2009, 02:47 AM
Well if you told me that this would be the final four 5 months ago I would have laughed in your face. At the very least I thought the Bulls would have been lucky to make the top 6.

This semi-final also seems to be a replay of the 2007 semi against the Crusaders at Loftus after they had beaten us in Christchurch earlier in the campaign. Homeground advantage will count for at least 10 points as the players will know that a win will secure a final at home as well.

The Chiefs v Canes will be a close call though. Once again homeground advantage will be a big boost but the Canes just seem to be playing a more structured and organized game at the moment.

Can't wait for the weekend!
I saw Pienaar got injured, will he play against the lions?

pietpoes
05-18-2009, 05:11 AM
I saw Pienaar got injured, will he play against the lions?

Looks unlikely, Morn'e Steyn is the in form flyhalf in SA anyway.

Ruhanv
05-18-2009, 05:25 AM
I saw Pienaar got injured, will he play against the lions?


Looks unlikely, Morn'e Steyn is the in form flyhalf in SA anyway.

Right now it appears that he will be out for 3 weeks or so which would mean that he could be fit to play.

Having said that Piet is right. It would be a travesty if Morne Steyn didn't get a chance as he has by far been the form SA flyhalf this year. To beat the Lions you need a reliable kicker and Pienaar simply is not a test level kicket.

pietpoes
05-18-2009, 05:33 AM
Howzit Ruhan

How were the nerves during the sharks/Bulls game? I nearly had a bloody heart attack! Game of the season for me.

Ruhanv
05-18-2009, 06:47 AM
Piet,

I was so gutted that I could not see it. They didn't show it in the UK and I could not even watch a streamed version as we had a dinner party at our house for a bunch of people who could not care less about rugby. I was thinking about going this weekend actually but I could not get off work either.

I did manage to download the game so will be catching it tonight. :)

This weekend's game is going to be a cracker!

pietpoes
05-18-2009, 07:02 AM
I did manage to download the game so will be catching it tonight. :)

You won't be dissapointed Ruhan. Great intensity from both teams, in front of a sold out Kingspark!


This weekend's game is going to be a cracker!

Indeed, I can't wait! I'm quite concerned about Bakkies and JP being cited though, and Wynand limping off early in the game. Danie will be adequate cover if Bakkies gets banned, but the midfield will be very weak with both JP and Wynand out.

Ruhanv
05-18-2009, 07:14 AM
Indeed, I can't wait! I'm quite concerned about Bakkies and JP being cited though, and Wynand limping off early in the game. Danie will be adequate cover if Bakkies gets banned, but the midfield will be very weak with both JP and Wynand out.

Bakkies and JP do worry me a bit but Olivier will most definitely not be playing on Sat.

We should expect Jaco Pretorius to replace him with Julies going on the outside if Nel is banned. Julies is not a bad choice at all though but Olivier has been the most outstanding SA back in this year's competition.

ps. Did you guys see Chris Jack is going to play for Western Province in the Currie Cup this year before joining the Saders next year again.

pietpoes
05-18-2009, 07:24 AM
Bakkies and JP do worry me a bit but Olivier will most definitely not be playing on Sat.

We should expect Jaco Pretorius to replace him with Julies going on the outside if Nel is banned. Julies is not a bad choice at all though but Olivier has been the most outstanding SA back in this year's competition.

I'm still hoping Wynand will make it. "Bulls team doctor, Org Strauss, confirmed on Sunday that Olivier's injury was serious but that the Bulls hope he has time to recover before Saturday's match."


ps. Did you guys see Chris Jack is going to play for Western Province in the Currie Cup this year before joining the Saders next year again.

Good signing for Province, now they need to poach a couple of decent props.

Ruhanv
05-18-2009, 08:49 AM
Based on that I would bet that they would include him like they included Fourie du Preez last week.

It's also just in that Bakkies Botha has been cleared! Game on! :)

Kiwi_Fella
05-18-2009, 05:15 PM
I think the Bulls will beat the Crusaders but it wont be as easy as most people think. The problem the Cursaders have had all year is in attack. They have the best defensive record, but are ****e on the front foot. The Bulls should be able to do enough, especially if they get in front.

I actually think the Hurricanes will do us over this weekend. Losing Leonard is a massive blow for us, and it looks like Kahui is struggling as well. The Hurricanes have been on fire and they look the goods. Hate to say it, but the final will be Bulls vs Hurricanes!

monatu
05-18-2009, 06:14 PM
Bakkies cleared, Nel suspended till end of the Super 14.

Chris Jack isn't going to save Province...not if they play like they did in the Super 14

pietpoes
05-19-2009, 10:45 AM
Wynand has been named in the starting xv for the Bulls! He'll partner Jaco Pretorius in the midfield on Saturday.

MinuteMan.
05-19-2009, 05:21 PM
http://www.scrum.com/super14/rugby/story/96838.html

Am I the only one who hates this? The last thing Australia need is anoter team to stretch our resources.