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72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:18 PM
alright made this in another thread decided to post it in a new thread..

Look real world example the guy i admire most (business/career wise) is my first employer/boss. The guy was raised in a poor north florida family, he got drafted and served in 'nam. He spent 26? years building his landsurveying business putting in long hours. Today he is hurting bad due to the bad economy but at its height he was operating 10 crews and owned a civil engineering firm. He owns 100s of acres of lands, 2 alcohol funny cars, several houses and buys a new vette ever few years. Last week he dropped well over 100k cash on a new ZR1 Vette.

Here we have a president wanting to tax the ever living sh$t out of him because a bunch of sorry ass lazy piles of **** are to f***ing lazy to get the hell out there and do something with their god damn life. That is totally disgraceful in every respect and it pisses me off to no end.

How in the hell can you possibly back this kind of policy?

Dig
10-15-2008, 09:21 PM
alright made this in another thread decided to post it in a new thread..

Look real world example the guy i admire most (business/career wise) is my first employer/boss. The guy was raised in a poor north florida family, he got drafted and served in 'nam. He spent 26? years building his landsurveying business putting in long hours. Today he is hurting bad due to the bad economy but at its height he was operating 10 crews and owned a civil engineering firm. He owns 100s of acres of lands, 2 alcohol funny cars, several houses and buys a new vette ever few years. Last week he dropped well over 100k cash on a new ZR1 Vette.

Here we have a president wanting to tax the ever living sh$t out of him because a bunch of sorry ass lazy piles of **** are to f***ing lazy to get the hell out there and do something with their god damn life. That is totally disgraceful in every respect and it pisses me off to no end.

How in the hell can you possibly back this kind of policy?

His business is hurting but he is spending 100k on a ****ing car? Sounds like one of you is full of ****.

Oh, do you actually know how much (more?) he is going to be taxed? The ever living $hit is not a real value from what I understand.

I'm not an Obama supporter by the way.

ajn
10-15-2008, 09:23 PM
lol, your example wasn't too hot

"if Obama raises taxes, my boss might have to get the Z06 instead of the ZR1. it's an outrage!"

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:24 PM
His business is hurting but he is spending 100k on a ****ing car? Sounds like one of you is full of ****.

Oh, do you actually know how much (more?) he is going to be taxed? The ever living $hit is not a real value from what I understand.

I'm not an Obama supporter by the way.

No im not full of **** at all. His business is hurting like hell he is down to 3 crews now work has fallen to a stop. Last week the crews got out only 3 times.

What is he supposed to do, he's got a pile of money in the bank but when there is no work there is no work. The man pays for the entire company to vacation in the keys once a year, bonuses twice a year, and 2 deepsea fishing trips a year. Thats why i respect him, very good wages, lots of good perks.

dito
10-15-2008, 09:26 PM
If your business is hurting you don't go out and buy a new car. Pretty common sense.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:26 PM
lol, your example wasn't too hot

"if Obama raises taxes, my boss might have to get the Z06 instead of the ZR1. it's an outrage!"

1st he's not my boss i left to finish my degree. 2ndly how is it any way right to choose how much money he should be allowed to have or spend. The man literally busted his ass from nothing to very well off, now you want to a piece of his money because your a lazy ****head.

Devian
10-15-2008, 09:27 PM
because a bunch of sorry ass lazy piles of **** are to f***ing lazy to get the hell out there and do something with their god damn life. That is totally disgraceful in every respect and it pisses me off to no end.

How in the hell can you possibly back this kind of policy?

Oh hey, you must make over $250,000/year.

If not, are you a sorry ass lazy pile of **** that is too f***ing lazy to get the hell out there and do something with yourself?

You can't have it both ways.....

tts0lid
10-15-2008, 09:27 PM
Where did he get the money to start his business? Loans? Or is it a business that's not too difficult with startup costs? (Not trolling, just curious)

pleasesomeone
10-15-2008, 09:28 PM
people aren't poor because they are lazy. Most honorable professions have lower pay; ie, social work, academia, etc. I'm not even going to go on.


This is so resoundingly obvious; it's like the root of the first political discussion I've ever had. Come on, man.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:28 PM
Oh hey, you must make over $250,000/year.

If not, are you a sorry ass lazy pile of **** that is too f***ing lazy to get the hell out there and do something with yourself?

You can't have it both ways.....


people aren't poor because they are lazy. Most honorable professions have lower pay; ie, social work, academia, etc. I'm not even going to go on.


This is so resoundingly obvious; it's like the root of the first political discussion I've ever had. Come on, man.



The point is raping someones bank out based on their career choices is no different then taxing protestants heavier then catholics. Both are choices you made. Both are Equally wrong

Coal Man
10-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Omg Guise My Rich Boss Will Be Less Rich! He Won't Be Able To Afford Those New Rims He Wanted!!!!

jafomofo
10-15-2008, 09:30 PM
alright made this in another thread decided to post it in a new thread..

Look real world example the guy i admire most (business/career wise) is my first employer/boss. The guy was raised in a poor north florida family, he got drafted and served in 'nam. He spent 26? years building his landsurveying business putting in long hours. Today he is hurting bad due to the bad economy but at its height he was operating 10 crews and owned a civil engineering firm. He owns 100s of acres of lands, 2 alcohol funny cars, several houses and buys a new vette ever few years. Last week he dropped well over 100k cash on a new ZR1 Vette.

Here we have a president wanting to tax the ever living sh$t out of him because a bunch of sorry ass lazy piles of **** are to f***ing lazy to get the hell out there and do something with their god damn life. That is totally disgraceful in every respect and it pisses me off to no end.

How in the hell can you possibly back this kind of policy?


Funny, I don't really see that acquisition of material goods as something to be particularly worthy of respect in others. Also your argument that it will only benefit the lazy and worthless is incorrect.

In the end he's going to pay what an extra 3% on his taxes?

I agree its not fair, its also not the end of the world, but if you don't like it vote for a flat tax candidate.

pleasesomeone
10-15-2008, 09:31 PM
The point is raping someones bank out based on their career choices is no different then taxing protestants heavier then catholics. Both are choices you made. Both are Equally wrong

stop it. it's 3 percent. I don't like it either, but there are more important issues to be had.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:32 PM
Where did he get the money to start his business? Loans? Or is it a business that's not too difficult with startup costs? (Not trolling, just curious)

Surveying is an odd field the only way to get liscensed is to start at the bottom swinging a machete in the swamps. You have to put in alot of manual labor then get a bachelors. To start a business the general way is to just get your liscense after 8-12 years of busting your ass, buy 20-30k worth of equipment go back to working in the field when you get your degree and fight tooth and nail til you get enough market value to hire others to do the field work and you move to solely office work.

Devian
10-15-2008, 09:33 PM
The point is raping someones bank out based on their career choices is no different then taxing protestants heavier then catholics. Both are choices you made. Both are Equally wrong

Answer the question. Are you making $250,000+/year?

The answer better be yes if you are calling the 95% of us who DONT "pieces of ****" because the richest of the rich can't buy yachts and helicopters with one check.

tts0lid
10-15-2008, 09:34 PM
Funny, I don't really see that acquisition of material goods as something to be particularly worthy of respect in others. Also your argument that it will only benefit the lazy and worthless is incorrect.

In the end he's going to pay what an extra 3% on his taxes?

I agree its not fair, its also not the end of the world, but if you don't like it vote for a flat tax candidate.

I was thinking about this the other day. My boss travels about 48 weeks out of the year on business. He has no family. Not many friends. When he IS in the office, he puts in like 60 hours a week. But he has a Viper, a Vette, and Mercedes, like 6 Bikes, and a nice house.

Still wouldn't trade my life for his. And I don't really want to live in a society where that is expected of people. I guess different people just have different priorities in life.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:34 PM
Funny, I don't really see that acquisition of material goods as something to be particularly worthy of respect in others. Also your argument that it will only benefit the lazy and worthless is incorrect.

In the end he's going to pay what an extra 3% on his taxes?

I agree its not fair, its also not the end of the world, but if you don't like it vote for a flat tax candidate.

So starting off poor and broke busting your ass and making a good living so you can enjoy your life is not respect worthy. Especially given all the stuff he does for the employees. The 3 years i worked for him i got a free trip to the fl keys 3 times, 6 fishing trips, 6 bonuses, and the only people that get more paid vacation is the govt employees. That seems like respectable guy to me.

Why are you going to tax guys like this.....

Kiss all your bonuses good bye....

pleasesomeone
10-15-2008, 09:35 PM
Surveying is an odd field the only way to get liscensed is to start at the bottom swinging a machete in the swamps. You have to put in alot of manual labor then get a bachelors. To start a business the general way is to just get your liscense after 8-12 years of busting your ass, buy 20-30k worth of equipment go back to working in the field when you get your degree and fight tooth and nail til you get enough market value to hire others to do the field work and you move to solely office work.

Again, I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to cry a string of tears because rich car collector guy(and good for him!)has 3 percent less corvette money every year so that 2 percent can get bogged down in monotony and 1 percent can go to struggling people. It's lame, and it's the beginnings of socialism(kinda), but it's not the most important issue in the election.

Doesn't it bother you a lot more that wall street gets away with inside trading/countless felony crimes undoubtedly every day, and the other side is more palish with them? You've got to pick sides in the bull**** department, or vote third party.

tts0lid
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
So starting off poor and broke busting your ass and making a good living so you can enjoy your life is not respect worthy. Especially given all the stuff he does for the employees. The 3 years i worked for him i got a free trip to the fl keys 3 times, 6 fishing trips, 6 bonuses, and the only people that get more paid vacation is the govt employees. That seems like respectable guy to me.

Why are you going to tax guys like this.....

Kiss all your bonuses good bye....

What does he pay his employees? Livable wages? Sounds like an OK guy in my book so far.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
Answer the question. Are you making $250,000+/year?

The answer better be yes if you are calling the 95% of us who DONT "pieces of ****" because the richest of the rich can't buy yachts and helicopters with one check.

the backers of this policy are pieces of **** lazy ****s, because they want the "rich mans" money for doing NOTHING.

If you want to make 250k its possible, if you choose to teach or be a police officer instead GOOD FOR YOU!!!! dont punish others for that decision. IMHO those two careers' salaries should be doubled and welfare cut in half.

Most pushing for this massive tax hike though are career burger flippers and entry level carpenters to lazy to learn math and cost analysis

pleasesomeone
10-15-2008, 09:39 PM
the backers of this policy are pieces of **** lazy ****s, because they want the "rich mans" money for doing NOTHING.
the richest man in the world is voting for him. And the richest man in the world currently pays less in taxes than his secretary via loopholes

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:40 PM
Again, I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to cry a string of tears because rich car collector guy(and good for him!)has 3 percent less corvette money every year so that 2 percent can get bogged down in monotony and 1 percent can go to struggling people. It's lame, and it's the beginnings of socialism(kinda), but it's not the most important issue in the election.

Doesn't it bother you a lot more that wall street gets away with inside trading/countless felony crimes undoubtedly every day, and the other side is more palish with them? You've got to pick sides in the bull**** department, or vote third party.

HA! who am i going to pick, the Dems that voted to bail out the crooks or the Reps who bailed out the crooks.

There is no choice, anyone voting for Obama is voting for socialism and voting to rape those who busted ass to make money. Anyone voting McCain is slightly less screwy because at least he isnt wanting to rape the bankaccount of those who have worked hard to get where they are. Those looking around for alternatives are the only ones in tune with the founding fathers

Devian
10-15-2008, 09:42 PM
the backers of this policy are pieces of **** lazy ****s, because they want the "rich mans" money for doing NOTHING.

If you want to make 250k its possible, if you choose to teach or be a police officer instead GOOD FOR YOU!!!! dont punish others for that decision. IMHO those two careers' salaries should be doubled and welfare cut in half.

Most pushing for this massive tax hike though are career burger flippers and entry level carpenters to lazy to learn math and cost analysis

So why should the rest of us be punished for either:

A-Not being BORN into wealth

or

B-Not concerned with being the wealthiest man on the planet because life has many other fullfillments than just money.

Are we all lazy no good pieces of **** that deserve less than the likes of Donald Trump or Paris Hilton?

jafomofo
10-15-2008, 09:42 PM
So starting off poor and broke busting your ass and making a good living so you can enjoy your life is not respect worthy. Especially given all the stuff he does for the employees. The 3 years i worked for him i got a free trip to the fl keys 3 times, 6 fishing trips, 6 bonuses, and the only people that get more paid vacation is the govt employees. That seems like respectable guy to me.

Why are you going to tax guys like this.....

Kiss all your bonuses good bye....

He built up a business and that is admirable but you listed his possessions as if they were badges of honor and I don't see it that way. Again, what he has given to you in no way indicates to me that he is a respectable guy, he is getting return on his money.

I'm not using this to say he should be taxed more heavily but I don't see being a small business owner as the path to sainthood. People that take low paying jobs that serve strangers without the benefit of return would be something noteworthy I suppose. Your boss got his reward for his hard work and will continue to do so under the confines of the system that he benefits from. If he thinks it is unfair, which I agree the progressive tax system is unfair, then he should spend some of that money on political advocacy instead of stupid **** like dragsters.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:44 PM
What does he pay his employees? Livable wages? Sounds like an OK guy in my book so far.

I at 19 was making more then enough to buy a house and survive, left solely to get my bachelors to get start on the journey to get my liscense.

I know many have this screwed up view of the "rich" but at the end of the day many started off where you are. Many are fair and pay you a good wage, they really have to. If you dont feel you are getting paid enough go look elsewhere, if you dont find better then you are getting paid fair.

Yes there are screwed up rich people but their are very screwed up poors and probably far more of them. (think gangbangers and identity theives)

pleasesomeone
10-15-2008, 09:45 PM
HA! who am i going to pick, the Dems that voted to bail out the crooks or the Reps who bailed out the crooks.

There is no choice, anyone voting for Obama is voting for socialism and voting to rape those who busted ass to make money. Anyone voting McCain is slightly less screwy because at least he isnt wanting to rape the bankaccount of those who have worked hard to get where they are. Those looking around for alternatives are the only ones in tune with the founding fathers

you literally don't have an elementary understanding of what you're talking about, so don't get personal by implying that Obama supporters are socialists, etc. That's crap. Under your definition of socialism, everyone who doesn't support a flat tax is a socialist. So every single relevant politician in America is a socialist

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:46 PM
you literally don't have an elementary understanding of what you're talking about, so don't get personal by implying that Obama supporters are socialists, etc. That's crap. Under your definition of socialism, everyone who doesn't support a flat tax is a socialist. So every single relevant politician in America is a socialist


"spread the wealth"

jafomofo
10-15-2008, 09:48 PM
the backers of this policy are pieces of **** lazy ****s, because they want the "rich mans" money for doing NOTHING.

If you want to make 250k its possible, if you choose to teach or be a police officer instead GOOD FOR YOU!!!! dont punish others for that decision. IMHO those two careers' salaries should be doubled and welfare cut in half.

Most pushing for this massive tax hike though are career burger flippers and entry level carpenters to lazy to learn math and cost analysis

actually those people are probably completely disconnected from the political process especially when it comes to the intricacies of the respective tax plans.

You seem to be suffering under the delusion that obama or the democrats currently in power are putting the progressive tax system in place for the first time, this is not the case. They aren't even raising your bosses taxes technically, they are simply letting the ones bush gave them expire.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:48 PM
So why should the rest of us be punished for either:

A-Not being BORN into wealth

or

B-Not concerned with being the wealthiest man on the planet because life has many other fullfillments than just money.

Are we all lazy no good pieces of **** that deserve less than the likes of Donald Trump or Paris Hilton?

You ARENT being punished... How are you being punished. You pay nothing compared to what the rich do in taxes, yet you stand here seeking to take their money.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:49 PM
actually those people are probably completely disconnected from the political process especially when it comes to the intricacies of the respective tax plans.

You seem to be suffering under the delusion that obama or the democrats currently in power are putting the progressive tax system in place for the first time, this is not the case. They aren't even raising your bosses taxes technically, they are simply letting the ones bush gave them expire.

They are reversing the only good Bush did during 8 years. 2nd highest tax rates in the world, not to shabby for a country founded by people pissed about paying for taxes and stamps on their goods...

Devian
10-15-2008, 09:51 PM
You ARENT being punished... How are you being punished. You pay nothing compared to what the rich do in taxes, yet you stand here seeking to take their money.

But a higher percentage of my income is taken so they can have tax breaks to ship my job overseas and lay me off.

I don't want their money...when did I say I want their money?

And you haven't answered the question:

Do you make $250,000/year or more, and if not, do you consider yourself a lazy no good pice of ****?

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 09:57 PM
But a higher percentage of my income is taken so they can have tax breaks to ship my job overseas and lay me off.

I don't want their money...when did I say I want their money?

And you haven't answered the question:

Do you make $250,000/year or more, and if not, do you consider yourself a lazy no good pice of ****?

Yes you do want thier money, these taxes increases are designed to give your sorry ass "free" healthcare etc.

If you make less then 250k and that IS your goal then yes you are a lazy no good piece of ****. I make no qualms about it, if a 'nam veteran from a broke ass back country florida town and can make good money and you cant then your an idiot.

Choosing a career that does not pay well does not make you anyless of a person and as i said im for jacking up those salaries tremendously after we cut back on the free hand outs. However if you are crying because you dont make enough and your goal is simply to make more money then yes your a lazy piece of ****. Any fool can make damn good money with enough hard work and good business practice if they choose the right field.

SDMuscleBuddy
10-15-2008, 10:04 PM
No im not full of **** at all. His business is hurting like hell he is down to 3 crews now work has fallen to a stop. Last week the crews got out only 3 times.

What is he supposed to do, he's got a pile of money in the bank but when there is no work there is no work. The man pays for the entire company to vacation in the keys once a year, bonuses twice a year, and 2 deepsea fishing trips a year. Thats why i respect him, very good wages, lots of good perks.

Let me get this straight, if Obama's tax plan goes into effect, then your boss gets a bump in his taxes, right? That means he's over the 250K boundary, yet his business is hurting. Tough luck, I guess. If he took a smaller salary, then he'd pay less taxes. Put the difference into the company, lower prices, or give his workers a raise.

Devian
10-15-2008, 10:05 PM
Yes you do want thier money, these taxes increases are designed to give your sorry ass "free" healthcare etc.

If you make less then 250k and that IS your goal then yes you are a lazy no good piece of ****. I make no qualms about it, if a 'nam veteran from a broke ass back country florida town and can make good money and you cant then your an idiot.

Choosing a career that does not pay well does not make you anyless of a person and as i said im for jacking up those salaries tremendously after we cut back on the free hand outs. However if you are crying because you dont make enough and your goal is simply to make more money then yes your a lazy piece of ****. Any fool can make damn good money with enough hard work and good business practice if they choose the right field.

Do you just have to always resort to name calling when backed into a corner?

So the money that would go towards health care for 47 million Americans that are currently uninsured that could likely SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES isn't worth it? How can you put a price on a life? You say people should buy their own health care but its not as simple as going to Wal-Mart and picking out coverage. The majority of people are actually DENIED health care because of the stupidest reasons, and those people ultimately die from diseases and illnesses that are otherwise easily cured, but they can't afford the $10,000 surgery to do it without insurance.

If I made over $250,000/year, I would be MORE than willing to take more of the tax burden so those people can see a doctor, so those kids can afford to go to college, so those ghetto streets can have more police officers. If you aren't willing to give up a bit of money so we can prosper as ONE nation...then maybe it is YOU that needs the help.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 10:08 PM
Let me get this straight, if Obama's tax plan goes into effect, then your boss gets a bump in his taxes, right? That means he's over the 250K boundary, yet his business is hurting. Tough luck, I guess. If he took a smaller salary, then he'd pay less taxes. Put the difference into the company, lower prices, or give his workers a raise.

Their is no work....... Have you looked at the housing/development market lately. He gave them a yearly raise this year according to a freind that still works their. The crews are 1/3 of what they were, they only work a few days a week. All the other companies are the same way. Job Fair at college today was basically nil. All economic growth is grinding to a hault and Obama wants to jack up taxes on the few businessmen that are still trying to make it work and provide some money to bluecollar guys paying their mortgage.

Last person to jack up taxes on a downturn was hoover as far as i know, that worked out splendidly

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 10:13 PM
Do you just have to always resort to name calling when backed into a corner?

So the money that would go towards health care for 47 million Americans that are currently uninsured that could likely SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES isn't worth it? How can you put a price on a life? You say people should buy their own health care but its not as simple as going to Wal-Mart and picking out coverage. The majority of people are actually DENIED health care because of the stupidest reasons, and those people ultimately die from diseases and illnesses that are otherwise easily cured, but they can't afford the $10,000 surgery to do it without insurance.

If I made over $250,000/year, I would be MORE than willing to take more of the tax burden so those people can see a doctor, so those kids can afford to go to college, so those ghetto streets can have more police officers. If you aren't willing to give up a bit of money so we can prosper as ONE nation...then maybe it is YOU that needs the help.

Our taxes are already outrageous, if you want govt healthcare your a fool. Look at SS and other programs our govt can not run a program of that caliber successfully.

Im all for more police, more education funding etc. dont raise already high tax rates to do it though. Cut out all the bull**** spending that goes on, that 3million dollar projector for instance that keeps getting brought up. MASSIVE spending cuts need to be made, MASSIVE!!! Raising taxes to increase govt funding at this point is WRONG!

F24
10-15-2008, 10:16 PM
So why should the rest of us be punished for either:

A-Not being BORN into wealth

or

B-Not concerned with being the wealthiest man on the planet because life has many other fullfillments than just money.

Are we all lazy no good pieces of **** that deserve less than the likes of Donald Trump or Paris Hilton?

Did I miss something here? The top 5th percentile of income earners pay for 50% of taxes, and the bottom quartile pays zero. How, exactly, are the poor and middle class being punished?

Very few are born into wealth. The majority of those who are wealthy got it through intelligence and hard work. I agree that a progressive tax code is warranted to a degree, but I think the rich are taxed plenty as it is.

Those earning less than $250,000 (or whatever the day's definition of "rich" is) should be happy to live their lives in mediocrity. Not only do they depend upon the rich for their jobs, but also for their taxes! What a racket.

Devian
10-15-2008, 10:21 PM
Our taxes are already outrageous, if you want govt healthcare your a fool. Look at SS and other programs our govt can not run a program of that caliber successfully.


Good thing Obama's plan isn't 100% government run!

His plan will give TAX BREAKS (to the very companies you love) for providing affordable health care to their employees. If you have private insurance and like it, you can stay on it! If you neither of those options can work for you, then you get some extra help.

We are the only modernized country in the WORLD that has an entire population that is uninsured. You don't see those countries WITH an insured population falling apart at the seems do you? In fact, ALL of those countries (including CUBA) have longer life expectancies than Americans. We need a system in the middle of government issued beauracracy and private companies out for profit (ie-out to DENY you to get PROFIT), and luckily, that's what Obama will do as president.

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 10:45 PM
Good thing Obama's plan isn't 100% government run!

His plan will give TAX BREAKS (to the very companies you love) for providing affordable health care to their employees. If you have private insurance and like it, you can stay on it! If you neither of those options can work for you, then you get some extra help.

We are the only modernized country in the WORLD that has an entire population that is uninsured. You don't see those countries WITH an insured population falling apart at the seems do you? In fact, ALL of those countries (including CUBA) have longer life expectancies than Americans. We need a system in the middle of government issued beauracracy and private companies out for profit (ie-out to DENY you to get PROFIT), and luckily, that's what Obama will do as president.

I'll credit cubas long lifespan with no access to american fast food lol. I dont even think it should be an employers obligatory role to provide health care. I believe that the govts healthcare plan for military personal should be extended to the civil world thats as far as it goes though. Free health care for everyone under 18 or 23bd if your enrolled full time in college. After that i dont understand how it should be anyones obligation to make sure you have healthcare other then your own.

big_bubbadimes
10-15-2008, 10:57 PM
stfu terrroist

Devian
10-15-2008, 11:04 PM
I'll credit cubas long lifespan with no access to american fast food lol. I dont even think it should be an employers obligatory role to provide health care. I believe that the govts healthcare plan for military personal should be extended to the civil world thats as far as it goes though. Free health care for everyone under 18 or 23bd if your enrolled full time in college. After that i dont understand how it should be anyones obligation to make sure you have healthcare other then your own.

So if employers aren't obligated to provide insurance, and that same job doesn't pay you nearly enough to buy your own (or lets say it does, but you get DENIED for whatever random reason they want to use that day), how else do you suppose people get insured? We need a combination of all 3-private insurace, employer based insurance, and government issued, and let the people decide what they want.

I never said the employers should be obligated to provide health care, but wouldn't you agree a tax break is a good incentive to businesses to provide health care? Or are you against tax breaks now?

72cutlass
10-15-2008, 11:09 PM
So if employers aren't obligated to provide insurance, and that same job doesn't pay you nearly enough to buy your own (or lets say it does, but you get DENIED for whatever random reason they want to use that day), how else do you suppose people get insured? We need a combination of all 3-private insurace, employer based insurance, and government issued, and let the people decide what they want.

I never said the employers should be obligated to provide health care, but wouldn't you agree a tax break is a good incentive to businesses to provide health care? Or are you against tax breaks now?

A tax break for providing health care is fair enough, i just really dont believe Obama. I really and truely see him pushing hard for a socialism type health care system and it turning into a cluster **** just like every other govt program.

I really hate to sound like a douch and hate on low income people but healthcare is far less expensive then a nice car or a house. Its about priorities, im just tired of seeing people decide that they should be able to afford their WANTS but the govt should take care of their NEEDS. I'll promise ya this, just like the govt does, if you offer healthcare you will draw many employees. A smart person will way one wage against another and take fringe benefits into account. If someone chooses a high wage with no insurance over a lower wage with insurance i do not believe in way shape or fashion the govt should give ANY relief, help, or assitance to the first person.