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aldinton
06-21-2008, 11:21 PM
Wimbledon is about to start and of course everyone thinks that the men's final will definately be Federer vs Nadal, Djokovic is also playing pretty well.

The women's is a little different. I hope that at least one of the Williams sister will make it to the finals. I think Ivanovic, Sharapova and Jankovic will be very good and have a great chance of making it to the finals.

Let's see what will happen...post all comments on thoughts and results in this thread.

pokerash
06-22-2008, 03:16 AM
I think all 3 of the top seeded men will get into the semi's, they seem to be leagues above the rest of the competition. However its anyones game out of those 3.

About the woman, well Im going for Ivanovic, Sharapova (not because they are the top seeds but because they are the hottest. (Yes I always back the hottest) Gogo Anna Kornikova (sp).

I hope your wrong about the william sisters. Hell if it was up to me they would be in the mens devision.

SquatTilYouDrop
06-22-2008, 05:25 AM
Djokovic is on Roger's half of the draw. This is a big break for Nadal and not so good for Roger. For Federer to win his 6th in a row he will probably have to beat Djokovic and Nadal back to back to win it all. That's a very tall order right now.

Roddick is Nadal's biggest threat if they both reach the semis. However, Nadal handled Roddick at Queens Club earlier this month in straight sets.

I look for a Nadal/Federer final with Nadal winning this year. Federer barely escaped last year in 5 sets and Nadal looks much stronger this year. Federer also seemed demoralized at his thumping in the French Open Final by Nadal last month. Also, Djokovic may take some of the wind out of Federer's sails if they meet in the Semis. That's no give me for Fed. It could even be a Djokovic/Nadal final. Not out of the realm of possibilities. Anyways it will be a fun fort night. Good luck to all.

P.S. Look for Karlovic to make some news. He's got a huge serve!

aldinton
06-22-2008, 07:06 AM
I hope your wrong about the william sisters. Hell if it was up to me they would be in the mens devision.

LOL...and they may even do well there:)

but i think they are going to be a big factor seeing that they did not do so well in the last tournament.

aldinton
06-22-2008, 11:14 AM
you can check the Wimbledon site for the first round of matches at
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/scores/draws/ms/index.html

Hugh Jazz
06-22-2008, 03:36 PM
Ivanovic and Nadal FTW

BradleyLake
06-22-2008, 03:56 PM
Ivanovic and Nadal FTW

x 2.

I'm going for them 2 aswell.

I'm looking forward to this and all the fap fap fap over the womens game.

aldinton
06-23-2008, 06:59 AM
F.Gonzalez leads R.Ginepri 7-6 5-3

aldinton
06-23-2008, 07:01 AM
Ladies' Singles -1st Rnd. Serena Williams (USA)[6] def Kaia Kanepi (EST)
7-5 6-3

aldinton
06-23-2008, 07:03 AM
Gentlemen's Singles - 1st Rnd. Roger Federer (SUI)[1] def Dominik Hrbaty (SVK)
6-3 6-2 6-2

Federer on to a good start as usual.

aldinton
06-23-2008, 07:05 AM
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/scores/schedule/index.html

all the scores are listed there. I am at work so I can't get to see any of the matches. But I just keep up to date by checking the site

caj
06-23-2008, 07:23 AM
About the woman, well Im going for Ivanovic, Sharapova (not because they are the top seeds but because they are the hottest. (Yes I always back the hottest) Gogo Anna Kornikova (sp).

I hope your wrong about the william sisters. Hell if it was up to me they would be in the mens devision.

I agree that Ivanovic and Sharapova are the two hottest babes in tennis right now (and pretty high in women's sports overall).

I like Ivanovic's game, but Sharapova needs to find a better stategy than just pounding the ball back repeatedly.

If a Williams' sister wins it, I hope it's Serena. She needs to get serious about tennis again. You can't just phone it in.

aldinton
06-23-2008, 09:26 AM
Hewitt seems to be fighting very hard for his match, I thought this match would be a little easy for him... but i guess not

Cramerica
06-23-2008, 10:12 AM
I hope your wrong about the william sisters. Hell if it was up to me they would be in the mens devision.

Have they been doing well at all lately?

But seriously, putting them in a men's division would be like putting Anika Sorenstam in the with PGA Tour...it sounds good to some but when push comes to shove the women can't compete with the men.

caj
06-23-2008, 10:17 AM
Hewitt seems to be fighting very hard for his match, I thought this match would be a little easy for him... but i guess not

I'm a Hewitt fan, but he hasn't done a good job of re-developing his game. When he was younger, he could count on his legs to win him a match, but he's not 20 anymore.

He's had plenty of time to tweak his game but just hasn't done it.

aldinton
06-23-2008, 11:16 AM
I'm a Hewitt fan, but he hasn't done a good job of re-developing his game. When he was younger, he could count on his legs to win him a match, but he's not 20 anymore.

He's had plenty of time to tweak his game but just hasn't done it.

well...he won his match and will be playing Montanes, should be a good match

dynomyte28
06-23-2008, 11:50 AM
I just want to see more of Anna Ivanovik

caj
06-23-2008, 12:00 PM
Safin vs Djokovic should be a great match in a couple of days.

That is, if Safin doesn't lose it like he sometimes does.

Cramerica
06-23-2008, 12:26 PM
I'm a Hewitt fan, but he hasn't done a good job of re-developing his game. When he was younger, he could count on his legs to win him a match, but he's not 20 anymore.

He's had plenty of time to tweak his game but just hasn't done it.

It's partly due to his method of play, as you insinuated.

He thrives on an aggressive physical game and uses a lot of physical exertion.

The same has been said about Nadal. Nadal has commented that he would like to be able to change his game to better fit the length of his career in the fashion that Federer has (notice Federer barely breaks a sweat in most matches).

Tennis players have a short life span in the sport. An Agassi is a rarity.

I like Hewitt though...wouldn't mind seeing him get one more Major.

aldinton
06-23-2008, 01:36 PM
What do you think of Ferrer's chances in winning??

aldinton
06-24-2008, 07:00 AM
I saw the Venus match this morning, and she played extremely well. If she is playing like that throughout the competition she has a great chance of winning.

JBDW
06-24-2008, 09:37 AM
What do you think of Ferrer's chances in winning??

Not bad. I'm pulling for him to win this one...dude plays like poetry in motion. Just amazing to watch.

kartikr
06-24-2008, 07:49 PM
I definitely see Nadal crushing Andy and getting through to the final! Just saw Andy roddicks interview after a match and the dude seems to suddenly have become cocky/arrogant (He was dissing some of the weakers players he had played). He thinks he has the game, but he is gonna get a royal ass whooping from Nadal.

As far Djokovic vs Federer, I think it's about 55-45 in favour of Fed. Djokovic still doesn't have the temperament that Fed and Nadal have, but he definitely has the game!

Safin is another dark horse. I used to be a huge Safin fan but the guy is so unpredictable, you never know what you get. He could knock out Djokovic and then lose to some 50th ranked chap.

For the women's , definitely Shara and Ana for me :-)! Those girls have the game and the body!

kartikr
06-24-2008, 07:50 PM
What do you think of Ferrer's chances in winning??

Ferrer is a great fighter and the fastest guy on court. But I don't see him getting through more than 1 top player. To be able to get through 2 of the top 3 guys is very tough!

caj
06-25-2008, 05:45 AM
Just saw Andy roddicks interview after a match and the dude seems to suddenly have become cocky/arrogant (He was dissing some of the weakers players he had played).

He's always been a cocky jerk to me. American players are so coddled and get so much attention. Some handle it with dignity and some let it go to their heads.

For someone with only one grand slam victory and no one really talking about him anymore, Roddick needs to get a reality check.

Cramerica
06-25-2008, 06:04 AM
He's always been a cocky jerk to me. American players are so coddled and get so much attention. Some handle it with dignity and some let it go to their heads.

For someone with only one grand slam victory and no one really talking about him anymore, Roddick needs to get a reality check.

I agree.

It's like after players started to figure out his big serve and his forehand, they started to pass him consistently.

He doesn't seem nearly as well-rounded as others.

Cramerica
06-25-2008, 06:07 AM
Looks like Safin just took the first set against Djokovic.

caj
06-25-2008, 06:09 AM
Looks like Safin just took the first set against Djokovic.

This match is a no-lose for me. I like both players and would be glad for either one of them to advance.

aldinton
06-25-2008, 06:30 AM
Looks like Safin just took the first set against Djokovic.

and the second set is tied, he may knock out Djokovic in this round

aldinton
06-25-2008, 06:34 AM
Ivanovic also lost her first set to Dechy and the second set is pretty close

aldinton
06-25-2008, 06:41 AM
and the second set is tied, he may knock out Djokovic in this round

WOW....Safin is 2 sets up, I wonder if he gonna beat him in straight sets

Cramerica
06-25-2008, 06:45 AM
WOW....Safin is 2 sets up, I wonder if he gonna beat him in straight sets

That would be something.

I wouldn't mind seeing Safin advance, but I don't know how long he'll stay in true form for the whole tournament.

I can't see the match right now, but Djokovic seems to lose control of himself if he starts to lose sometimes...like he did the last time Federer beat him. He was cussing at himself, throwing his racket. If Safin can stay ahead Djokovic might break down.

dts1789
06-25-2008, 06:48 AM
wow!!!!!!!
Safin is playing awesome!!
Now up a break in the 3rd and what is looking to be the final set.

Ivanovic is in trouble right now as well. If she can't hold serve here the match is over:eek:

caj
06-25-2008, 06:57 AM
WOW....Safin is 2 sets up, I wonder if he gonna beat him in straight sets

Did not see this coming, but I love it when Safin is on his game. If he could learn to do this consistently, he could win a couple of more slams.

aldinton
06-25-2008, 06:58 AM
Ivanovic has tied her 2nd set at 5-5, that was a close call for her being down 4-5 and had to win that last point

aldinton
06-25-2008, 06:59 AM
Djokovic has finally won his first point of the third set so its now 1-3. Well, now 1-4 Safin won that last point

aldinton
06-25-2008, 07:07 AM
WOW....Safin is 2 sets up, I wonder if he gonna beat him in straight sets

5-2, Safin is 1 point away from taking the game, i dont see how he could possibly loose this match being in this position

aldinton
06-25-2008, 07:13 AM
Safin has beaten Djokovic in straight sets 6-4, 7-6, 6-2

caj
06-25-2008, 07:20 AM
Safin has beaten Djokovic in straight sets 6-4, 7-6, 6-2

Great win for Safin.

It is a shame though that these two were playing against each other so early in the draw. I know the rankings help determine the draws, but there needs to be some way to keep high-calibur players from meeting up in early rounds.

This would've been a great quarter final. But congrats to Marat.

aldinton
06-25-2008, 07:21 AM
Let's see if Ivanovic can hold off Dechy, the game is tied 7-6, 6-7 and Ivanovic is leading the 3rd set 1-0

aldinton
06-25-2008, 07:56 AM
Let's see if Ivanovic can hold off Dechy, the game is tied 7-6, 6-7 and Ivanovic is leading the 3rd set 1-0

Ivanovic is 1 point away from making it through the 2nd round. the 3rd set is now 5-3

aldinton
06-25-2008, 08:33 AM
Ivanovic won 6-7, 7-6, 10-8, that was a really close tight match

aldinton
06-25-2008, 08:35 AM
Kuznetsova beat Bondarenko 6-2, 6-3

Serena is leading Radwanska 6-4, 2-0

aldinton
06-25-2008, 09:09 AM
Kuznetsova beat Bondarenko 6-2, 6-3

Serena is leading Radwanska 6-4, 2-0

Serena won 6-4, 6-4

Zoupa
06-25-2008, 11:18 AM
Great win for Safin.

It is a shame though that these two were playing against each other so early in the draw. I know the rankings help determine the draws, but there needs to be some way to keep high-calibur players from meeting up in early rounds.

This would've been a great quarter final. But congrats to Marat.

Safin hasn't been a high caliber player in years. You can't seed has-beens high just because they're talented and former slam winners and because they might put on a good match once a year.

Although I do love Safin and hate Djokovic. Glad that he won.

aldinton
06-25-2008, 11:31 AM
Federer won his 2nd round match as expected in 3 sets, he had to fight for the 3rd though.

and ferrer is now down 3-6, 1-0 to Andreev of Russia

aldinton
06-26-2008, 07:11 AM
Venus Williams beat Anne Keothavong 7-5, 6-2

Does anyone know what happened to Davenport??

fastrunner1
06-26-2008, 10:16 AM
Blake is out!

caj
06-26-2008, 10:58 AM
Venus Williams beat Anne Keothavong 7-5, 6-2

Does anyone know what happened to Davenport??

I think I heard it was a knee or leg injury.

Shame. I didn't expect her to win, but I thought she'd go far.

caj
06-26-2008, 11:00 AM
Blake is out!

Sharapova is out as well. Quite a few upsets very early.

aldinton
06-26-2008, 11:23 AM
Blake is out!

And Roddick is down 2 sets to 1 as well. There are lots of upsets in Wimbledon so far, i wonder if this might be another.

aldinton
06-26-2008, 11:24 AM
Sharapova is out as well. Quite a few upsets very early.

wow...I thought she would have gone far, maybe at least the quarter-finals

caj
06-26-2008, 11:55 AM
And Roddick is down 2 sets to 1 as well. There are lots of upsets in Wimbledon so far, i wonder if this might be another.

I hope so. lol

aldinton
06-26-2008, 12:41 PM
I hope so. lol

your wish has been granted, Roddick lost in 4 sets:7-6, 5-7, 4-6, 6-7

Another big upset

caj
06-26-2008, 12:50 PM
your wish has been granted, Roddick lost in 4 sets:7-6, 5-7, 4-6, 6-7

Another big upset

One of the guys on ESPN this morning said that with Djokovic out, Andy was now the third favorite to win. It was probably Patrick McEnroe, who loves Roddick.

I think it's time to conclude that Roddick's best days are behind him unless he does what Agassi did and work his butt off 24/7 to condition himself better. Agassi had the game, but it was his fitness that allowed him to continue winning slams for several more years. You can't win slams with just a big serve as your only weapon.

MiKey4
06-26-2008, 01:04 PM
Come on Murray, just beat the semi-finalist last year 6-4, 6-2, 6-2.

Jdz
06-26-2008, 11:00 PM
Roddick is a loser.

How is it even an upset he lost, he's crap and got beaten by a good player in Tipsarevic.

aldinton
06-27-2008, 09:42 AM
Ivanovic is playing pretty bad today again she is down 6-1, 2-1

But Serena is kicking ass, 7-6, 5-0

Zoupa
06-27-2008, 09:50 AM
I want Serena to lose so that espn will stop with the stupid WTA coverage.

aldinton
06-27-2008, 10:43 AM
Ivanovic is out....do you think this is the biggest upset so far?
If not what do you think is?

Safin is in his game leading 2-1. Let's see if he continues to play good

Zoupa
06-27-2008, 10:51 AM
Safin beating Joker is by far the biggest upset. Even the top WTA players (now that Henin is retired) aren't consistent enough for their losses to be huge upsets.

caj
06-27-2008, 02:10 PM
Safin, Federer, Hewitt, Serena, and Baghdatis all win today.

sammy21
06-27-2008, 03:40 PM
noooo....my favorite player is out :(






http://z.about.com/d/tennis/1/0/d/B/05-Stephanie-Morel-08.jpg




:(

aldinton
06-27-2008, 04:14 PM
noooo....my favorite player is out :(






http://z.about.com/d/tennis/1/0/d/B/05-Stephanie-Morel-08.jpg




:(

I'm sorry she fell out too, i really like her and was hoping she would reach at least to the semi-finals...but that's life...we dont always get what we want:(

SquatTilYouDrop
06-27-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm sorry she fell out too, i really like her and was hoping she would reach at least to the semi-finals...but that's life...we dont always get what we want:(Looks like it is wide open for one of the Williams sister to win again.

aldinton
06-28-2008, 05:51 PM
Looks like it is wide open for one of the Williams sister to win again.

The both of them may be in the finals...the only real competition for venus is Jankovic and Dimentevia for Serena

caj
06-30-2008, 06:10 AM
The both of them may be in the finals...the only real competition for venus is Jankovic and Dimentevia for Serena

Jankovic is now out. They're dropping like flies. lol

aldinton
06-30-2008, 06:51 AM
Jankovic is now out. They're dropping like flies. lol

yah...i agree, i never saw the match, but I guess her knee is still acting up

aldinton
06-30-2008, 06:53 AM
The second week is always the best. I think the men's side is gonna be extremely good. I was watching the Federer - Hewitt match before I left for work this morning. I wish I could watch it.

The network guys cut my access to espn360.com, I guess i was using too much bandwidth. So they kick me off:(

aldinton
06-30-2008, 07:05 AM
Federer has beaten Hewitt in straight sets and both the Williams sisters have won there matches and are in the quarter finals

aldinton
06-30-2008, 07:58 AM
I just did a check on the Williams sisters and neither of them have not lost a set as yet - they've won all their games in straight sets...That's impressive

MiKey4
06-30-2008, 01:04 PM
Anyone watching Murray?
Absolutely awesome match...
Two sets down and he is leading the 5th.

caj
06-30-2008, 01:15 PM
Anyone watching Murray?
Absolutely awesome match...
Two sets down and he is leading the 5th.

Yeah, I think he'll pull it out.

And Safin won too. Yes.

Zoupa
06-30-2008, 01:37 PM
Anyone watching Murray?
Absolutely awesome match...
Two sets down and he is leading the 5th.

yeah that's crazy. after gasquet won the 2nd set I thought that it was over, so I went to work out. Missed the last 3 sets.

caj
06-30-2008, 01:38 PM
Murray wins.

Murray vs Nadal will be good.

aldinton
07-01-2008, 07:31 AM
Murray wins.

Murray vs Nadal will be good.

This match should be very good. I hope i get a chance to see it.

Murray is extremely quick, from what i've seen Nadal is gonna have to fight hard to win this match

SquatTilYouDrop
07-01-2008, 01:12 PM
This match should be very good. I hope i get a chance to see it.

Murray is extremely quick, from what i've seen Nadal is gonna have to fight hard to win this matchI'm sure hoping Murray pushes Nadal. I'm afraid the Gasquet match may have taken it out of Murray. He spent a lot of energy winning it in 5 while Nadal breezed passed Youzhny in 3.

Can't see Murray beating Nadal from the baseline. He's gonna have to serve big and take chances at the net.

We will see:)

caj
07-01-2008, 01:34 PM
Who thinks Safin will play Federer in the semis?

aldinton
07-01-2008, 01:38 PM
I'm sure hoping Murray pushes Nadal. I'm afraid the Gasquet match may have taken it out of Murray. He spent a lot of energy winning it in 5 while Nadal breezed passed Youzhny in 3.

Can't see Murray beating Nadal from the baseline. He's gonna have to serve big and take chances at the net.

We will see:)

well....thats true...i think Nadal will win, but I think or at least hope it will be a good match

aldinton
07-01-2008, 01:39 PM
Who thinks Safin will play Federer in the semis?

I hope so

caj
07-02-2008, 09:28 AM
Men's Quarter Finals

Federer leads Ancic 2 sets to 0

Safin and Lopez are tied with 1 set each.

Nadal and Murray play later today.

JBDW
07-02-2008, 09:54 AM
Men's Quarter Finals

Federer leads Ancic 2 sets to 0

Safin and Lopez are tied with 1 set each.

Nadal and Murray play later today.

Make that Federer in straight sets.

caj
07-02-2008, 10:20 AM
Safin wins the 3rd set. He's now up 2 sets to 1.

Come on, Marat.

aldinton
07-02-2008, 11:25 AM
Safin wins the 3rd set. He's now up 2 sets to 1.

Come on, Marat.

Safin won it in 4 sets...playing Federer in the semis. I dont think he is going to win any of the sets from Federer. but I hope he gives him a challenge and put on a good match.

aldinton
07-02-2008, 11:28 AM
Nadal is leading Murray 2-0 and I think he should win in straight sets.

The finals will be Nadal and Federer as was predicted.

caj
07-02-2008, 01:24 PM
Both Federer and Nadal win their Quarter finals in straight sets.

Federer had 6 unforced errors in his match and Nadal had 8.

Incredible tennis from both players.

I still hope that Safin can pull off a miracle and beat Federer on Friday.

Zoupa
07-02-2008, 01:52 PM
I don't think that Safin will even get a set on Federer. Federer's serving ridiculous, hasn't even been broken this tournament. And the angles that he creates, especially with his slice will drive Safin nuts. I remember Safin saying that being told that he has to play Santoro is like being told that he is going to die, because of the angles/spins that Santoro uses. Safin would have to serve out of his mind to win. If this was hard court, I'd give Safin more of a chance.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-02-2008, 03:20 PM
I don't think that Safin will even get a set on Federer. Federer's serving ridiculous, hasn't even been broken this tournament. And the angles that he creates, especially with his slice will drive Safin nuts. I remember Safin saying that being told that he has to play Santoro is like being told that he is going to die, because of the angles/spins that Santoro uses. Safin would have to serve out of his mind to win. If this was hard court, I'd give Safin more of a chance.You're right

Safin has a bad record against Fed.

He also admitted in the post conference interview with ESPN that he was happy to have made it to the semi-final no matter what the outcome on Friday. Implying he's satisfied with his points and getting back into the top 50.

I also think Federer will crush him straight sets.

aldinton
07-03-2008, 06:48 AM
I also think Federer will crush him straight sets.

I totally agree

aldinton
07-03-2008, 06:57 AM
Venus is into the finals again, beating Dementieva in straight sets, even though she had to fight in the 2nd

I think Serena will also make it to the finals. Zheng looks pretty good, but i dont think she can handle Serena's serves

sammy21
07-03-2008, 08:47 AM
Anyone watching Schuettler-Clement?

5-5 in the fifth

aldinton
07-03-2008, 11:16 AM
Anyone watching Schuettler-Clement?

5-5 in the fifth

Schuettler won 8-6

and the Williams sisters are both in the finals again, i know not many people are happy. but it may be the first time that they play 3 sets since the tournament

aldinton
07-03-2008, 11:49 AM
The Bryan brothers are out in the semi-finals loosing to J.Bjorkman and K.Ullyett.

tmac4real
07-03-2008, 12:18 PM
what channel is this bitch on?
When is Safin-Federer on, that should be a good one.

tmac4real
07-03-2008, 12:20 PM
It's Rafael Nadal's year BTW.

aldinton
07-03-2008, 12:37 PM
what channel is this bitch on?
When is Safin-Federer on, that should be a good one.

ESPN2 or NBC

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 12:48 PM
It's Rafael Nadal's year BTW.

I don't know. Last year Nadal won more of the rallies, but Federer out aced Rafa 25-1, which was the difference. This year Fed's serve is way better... I think that Fed will take it in 5 again due to his serve. It will be hard for Rafa to break him or even take tie breaks.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-03-2008, 05:47 PM
I don't know. Last year Nadal won more of the rallies, but Federer out aced Rafa 25-1, which was the difference. This year Fed's serve is way better... I think that Fed will take it in 5 again due to his serve. It will be hard for Rafa to break him or even take tie breaks.I tend to agree. Fed is serving better this year but Rafa is also returning better this year. In fact, Rafa's entire game has become more offensive on grass.

I believe for Federer to win he must serve and volley more. I think playing from the back court gives Rafa the edge. I've also noticed that Rafa's exaggerated top spin shots are bouncing very high on the grass this year. That makes them doubly effective. Fed needs to get to the net. If he doesn't than Rafael Nada will win Wimbledon this year.

JBDW
07-03-2008, 06:10 PM
I tend to agree. Fed is serving better this year but Rafa is also returning better this year. In fact, Rafa's entire game has become more offensive on grass.

I believe for Federer to win he must serve and volley more. I think playing from the back court gives Rafa the edge. I've also noticed that Rafa's exaggerated top spin shots are bouncing very high on the grass this year. That makes them doubly effective. Fed needs to get to the net. If he doesn't than Rafael Nada will win Wimbledon this year.

Apart from being more offensive, people forget that Nadal is also serving better than last year. So while Federer might still hold the upper hand, serving-wise, Nadal is no slouch himself. And I agree that Federer needs to come to the net more if he wants to win Wimbledon this year. Nadal has adapted his game, Federer should do so accordingly.

sammy21
07-03-2008, 06:23 PM
I tend to agree. Fed is serving better this year but Rafa is also returning better this year. In fact, Rafa's entire game has become more offensive on grass.

I believe for Federer to win he must serve and volley more. I think playing from the back court gives Rafa the edge. I've also noticed that Rafa's exaggerated top spin shots are bouncing very high on the grass this year. That makes them doubly effective. Fed needs to get to the net. If he doesn't than Rafael Nada will win Wimbledon this year.

Why did Fed ever stop his serve and volley style of play at Wimbledon anyway? He doesn't do it nearly as much as he used to.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-03-2008, 07:45 PM
Why did Fed ever stop his serve and volley style of play at Wimbledon anyway? He doesn't do it nearly as much as he used to.He hasn't needed to.

The powers at be have slowed the grass courts down over the past several years to accommodate the base line style. This is one of the reasons Nadal has had success.

The courts were much faster when Becker, Edberg, and Sampras were winning titles. They changed them because a lot of criticism was being directed at Wimbledon for the big serves being so dominant. Too many slam bam aces and not enough tennis artisty. So they have slowed the courts down to make them both a more even playing field and viewer friendly.

Federer has been dominant over the passed 5 years because the courts are tailor made for his beautiful game and strokes. That may end on Sunday unless he does bring back his serve and volley game. It will be interesting.

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 07:50 PM
they changed the grass in 2002 (the year hewitt won it, surprise surprise) but it hasn't changed since. So this year it's the same as every other year that Fed won it.

The thing about Fed serve and volleying is that Rafa has the best passing shots in tennis and he also returns well. He's also the best baseliner, though. He's tried to S/V before against Rafa and he ends up getting passed a lot of the time. So maybe not S/V necessarily... but he has to get to the net early in the ralley.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-03-2008, 08:04 PM
they changed the grass in 2002 (the year hewitt won it, surprise surprise) but it hasn't changed since. So this year it's the same as every other year that Fed won it.

The thing about Fed serve and volleying is that Rafa has the best passing shots in tennis and he also returns well. He's also the best baseliner, though. He's tried to S/V before against Rafa and he ends up getting passed a lot of the time. So maybe not S/V necessarily... but he has to get to the net early in the ralley.Yes, I think the Goran Ivanisevic Ace machine victory in 2001 may have had something to do with the change.

It would be foolish for Federer to serve and volley every point. That's not his game. However, I do think he needs to increase the percentage of times he does do it and keep Rafa guessing.

He cannot get involved in too many long protracted rallies where Rafa starts taking over points with his top spin ground strokes. Fed needs to use both his low back hand slice and flat powerful forehand and come to the net when the opportunity presents itself. He also should draw Rafa in to the net and pass him himself. Fed is a master at that tactic. Fed needs to mix it up and keep the unforced errors to a minimum to win.

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 08:14 PM
Rafa actually likes that cross court slice because he's so quick and it ends up as a short ball on his forehand side. That's one of the reasons that he has so much trouble with Rafa is because that tactic (one which he uses a lot, especially on grass) doesn't work that well.

I thought that Fed hit with a lot of top spin, though? Maybe not.

I'm sure that Fed knows exactly what's needed to win, it's just a matter of him playing well enough to execute it.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-03-2008, 08:38 PM
Rafa actually likes that cross court slice because he's so quick and it ends up as a short ball on his forehand side. That's one of the reasons that he has so much trouble with Rafa is because that tactic (one which he uses a lot, especially on grass) doesn't work that well.

I thought that Fed hit with a lot of top spin, though? Maybe not.
Well slower grass or not the slice shot is still a great play even against Rafa's speed. It skids and stays low. Fed has to keep it consistently deep to keep Rafa from running around his back hand and hitting winning forehands.

Although these days Rafa has turned his back hand into a weapon too. Before it used to be a more of a defensive top spin counter punching type shot. Now he flattens it out and hits winners with it.

There aren't many holes left in the Nadal game for Fed to exploit. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a repeat of the French Open Final. That would be disastrous for tennis. Men's tennis needs a memorable final. Maybe we'll get one on Sunday.

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 08:46 PM
We won't see a repeat, I guarantee it. Fed was troubled quite a bit going into the final of the French and Nadal cruised. It looked like it'd be a slaughter even before the match just based on their form beforehand. This tournament they look fairly even, performance-wise.

I just can't wait till hard court season where Rafa will fade away like he always does.

aldinton
07-03-2008, 09:03 PM
We won't see a repeat, I guarantee it. Fed was troubled quite a bit going into the final of the French and Nadal cruised. It looked like it'd be a slaughter even before the match just based on their form beforehand. This tournament they look fairly even, performance-wise.

I just can't wait till hard court season where Rafa will fade away like he always does.

I guess this tournament they are fairly even. but i think federer has the upper hand. during the safin match the commentators said he has never been broken since the tournament start.

Therefore for Nadal to win he needs to be the first to get a break point from him. But I really do think he is capable and I know this finals should be very good and there is no way i am gonna miss it.

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 09:08 PM
I guess this tournament they are fairly even. but i think federer has the upper hand. during the safin match the commentators said he has never been broken since the tournament start.

Therefore for Nadal to win he needs to be the first to get a break point from him. But I really do think he is capable and I know this finals should be very good and there is no way i am gonna miss it.

Yeah Fed has done a bit better. Nadal's lost a set to Gulbis and Fed's had a slightly harder draw.

JBDW
07-03-2008, 10:33 PM
I'm still plugging for Federer. I've seen great players, but I've never seen an artisan like him before. Pure class on and off the court. If he didn't exist, then I might like Nadal, but right now he's standing in the way of my man Fed (no homo), so I hope he crashes and burns.

Although he deserves a massive amount of respect for switching up and improving his game tremendously on grass, something Fed has been unable to do on clay.

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 10:57 PM
I'm still plugging for Federer. I've seen great players, but I've never seen an artisan like him before. Pure class on and off the court. If he didn't exist, then I might like Nadal, but right now he's standing in the way of my man Fed (no homo), so I hope he crashes and burns.

Although he deserves a massive amount of respect for switching up and improving his game tremendously on grass, something Fed has been unable to do on clay.

There isn't much that Fed could do to improve his clay game. He has a 1 handed backhand that's a huge liability against Nadal on clay and he isn't quite as athletic. He also uses an 88 square inch racquet, which doesn't help handle the unpredictable bounces. He can't just switch up his game and be better than Nadal on clay. He'd basically just need to become unbelievably consistent and learn to handle high balls off his backhand side better, but that's a lot different from what Nadal did to get better on grass. Nadal changed tactics and is hitting through the ball more. But it isn't so simple for fed.

That said, he's been the 2nd best clay courter the past 3 years. It isn't his fault that he has to deal with arguably the best clay courter ever.

JBDW
07-03-2008, 11:02 PM
There isn't much that Fed could do to improve his clay game. He has a 1 handed backhand that's a huge liability against Nadal on clay and he isn't quite as athletic. He also uses an 85 square inch racquet, which doesn't help handle the unpredictable bounces. He can't just switch up his game and be better than Nadal on clay. He'd basically just need to become unbelievably consistent and learn to handle high balls off his backhand side better, but that's a lot different from what Nadal did to get better on grass. Nadal changed tactics and is hitting through the ball more. But it isn't so simple for fed.

That said, he's been the 2nd best clay courter the past 3 years. It isn't his fault that he has to deal with arguably the best clay courter ever.

Yup. If Nadal weren't around, Federer would have pretty much won EVERYTHING the past 4 years or so, including the past 3 French Opens. As it stands I think he's going to end up like Sampras, with no French Opens to his name by the time he retires.

Zoupa
07-03-2008, 11:06 PM
Yup. If Nadal weren't around, Federer would have pretty much won EVERYTHING the past 4 years or so, including the past 3 French Opens. As it stands I think he's going to end up like Sampras, with no French Opens to his name by the time he retires.

Yeah I agree. I think that his best chance was 2007, but he didn't play well enough.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 06:43 AM
I'm still plugging for Federer. I've seen great players, but I've never seen an artisan like him before. Pure class on and off the court. If he didn't exist, then I might like Nadal, but right now he's standing in the way of my man Fed (no homo), so I hope he crashes and burns.

Although he deserves a massive amount of respect for switching up and improving his game tremendously on grass, something Fed has been unable to do on clay.I'm also routing for Federer. I'd love to see him break Borg's MODERN day record of 5 in a row although I love Bjorn's game too.


There isn't much that Fed could do to improve his clay game. He has a 1 handed backhand that's a huge liability against Nadal on clay and he isn't quite as athletic. He also uses an 88 square inch racquet, which doesn't help handle the unpredictable bounces. He can't just switch up his game and be better than Nadal on clay. He'd basically just need to become unbelievably consistent and learn to handle high balls off his backhand side better, but that's a lot different from what Nadal did to get better on grass. Nadal changed tactics and is hitting through the ball more. But it isn't so simple for fed.

That said, he's been the 2nd best clay courter the past 3 years. It isn't his fault that he has to deal with arguably the best clay courter ever.That's true.

Federer is a fantastic clay court player. He just happens to be playing at a time when Nadal is also playing. Nadal may end up going down in history as the greatest clay court player of all time even surpassing the great Borg.


Yup. If Nadal weren't around, Federer would have pretty much won EVERYTHING the past 4 years or so, including the past 3 French Opens. As it stands I think he's going to end up like Sampras, with no French Opens to his name by the time he retires.Federer may end up with zero French open wins but he is light years ahead of Sampras's clay court resume. I hope history records Federer as remarkable champion on all surfaces.

And also if Federer weren't around Nadal may be working on his 3rd Wimbledon championship in a row. They both have been head and shoulders above the field over the last couple years. Only Djokovic seems to be challenging them.

Zoupa,

It will be interesting to see if Nadal fizzles in the summer hard court season again this year. The clay court season seems to drain him every year. Probably because he wins so many tournaments and plays so many matches that it has to take a toll. Nadal's game is very physically demanding. However he is entering his prime. We'll just have to wait and see.:)

aldinton
07-04-2008, 07:01 AM
I'm still plugging for Federer. I've seen great players, but I've never seen an artisan like him before. Pure class on and off the court. If he didn't exist, then I might like Nadal, but right now he's standing in the way of my man Fed (no homo), so I hope he crashes and burns.

Although he deserves a massive amount of respect for switching up and improving his game tremendously on grass, something Fed has been unable to do on clay.

i am also routing for Federer but I want the match to be one like last year. something memorable, and definately going to 5 sets, and the fifth set in a tie breaker:D

I cant wait

aldinton
07-04-2008, 07:02 AM
By the way, just in case anyone cares, Federer just beat Safin in straight sets, as most of us predicted.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 07:23 AM
By the way, just in case anyone cares, Federer just beat Safin in straight sets, as most of us predicted.
Yeah he did. At least Safin put up somewhat of a fight in the second set.:)

JBDW
07-04-2008, 07:49 AM
Based on the match, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict a Nadal victory. It seems to me that Nadal's power and topspin will just be too much for Federer to handle this year, especially if Fed plays like he did against Safin. He needs to be absolutely top-class in every respect, all the time, and I don't see Nadal allowing him to stamp his authority that easily.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 09:03 AM
Based on the match, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict a Nadal victory. It seems to me that Nadal's power and topspin will just be too much for Federer to handle this year, especially if Fed plays like he did against Safin. He needs to be absolutely top-class in every respect, all the time, and I don't see Nadal allowing him to stamp his authority that easily.
LOL.

When I read the first sentence of your post I thought you were talking about Schuettler. Going out on a limb and predicting a Nadal victory:D

Seriously, I'm upset with NBC's coverage of the Federer/Safin semi-final. We don't get to see it live. We have to watch taped coverage of it. Why? I haven't a clue.

Why can't NBC and ESPN get together somehow and show us these matches LIVE. They show all the 1st ,2nd , 3rd, rounds matches...etc live but when we it gets down to the nitty gritty it's TAPE DELAYED coverage. The networks wonder why tennis ratings are down. Well this may be one of those reasons. Who wants to watch taped coverage of an event that we already know the outcome of. Piss poor in my opinion.

Boo to NBC.

JBDW
07-04-2008, 09:09 AM
LOL.

When I read the first sentence of your post I thought you were talking about Schuettler. Going out on a limb and predicting a Nadal victory:D

LMAO. Hell yeah that was one tough prediction. :D

What's your take on the final?


Seriously, I'm upset with NBC's coverage of the Federer/Safin semi-final. We don't get to see it live. We have to watch taped coverage of it. Why? I haven't a clue.

Why can't NBC and ESPN get together somehow and show us these matches LIVE. They show all the 1st ,2nd , 3rd, rounds matches...etc live but when we it gets down to the nitty gritty it's TAPE DELAYED coverage. The networks wonder why tennis ratings are down. Well this may be one of those reasons. Who wants to watch taped coverage of an event that we already know the outcome of. Piss poor in my opinion.

Boo to NBC.

Wow, that sucks major balls. What about the final?

Zoupa
07-04-2008, 09:13 AM
The final will probably be shown both live and tape delayed. That's what usually happens.

JBDW
07-04-2008, 09:14 AM
The final will probably be shown both live and tape delayed. That's what usually happens.

Well, I'm watching it live anyway, so it's not a big deal for me, more so for you guys. Just so long as we're all watching an epic final together. ;)

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 09:37 AM
What's your take on the final?


Well 2 years ago Nadal lost in 4 sets to Roger. Very competetive.

Last year Nadal lost in 5 tough sets to Roger. Roger was lucky to survive.

This year Nadal's both improved in all facets of his game and confidence. He looks almost invincible.

I think the trend is clear.

I hate to say it. I think it's the end of Roger's grass court steak on Sunday. Rafa just looks too strong and focused to lose. I'm one of the biggest Federer fans out there but I'm realistic too. I'll still be cheering Roger on and crossing my fingers:D

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 09:39 AM
The final will probably be shown both live and tape delayed. That's what usually happens.Oh the final is broad cast live as "breakfast at Wimbledon". :)

It's just the semi-final coverage I'm a little miffed about.

JBDW
07-04-2008, 09:49 AM
Well 2 years ago Nadal lost in 4 sets to Roger. Very competetive.

Last year Nadal lost in 5 tough sets to Roger. Roger was lucky to survive.

This year Nadal's both improved in all facets of his game and confidence. He looks almost invincible.

I think the trend is clear.

I hate to say it. I think it's the end of Roger's grass court steak on Sunday. Rafa just looks too strong and focused to lose. I'm one of the biggest Federer fans out there but I'm realistic too. I'll still be cheering Roger on and crossing my fingers:D

Dammit, that's what I was thinking. But I'll just have faith that Roger is more fired up to come back and defend his title after having lost so badly at Roland Garros..doesn't help that Nadal just entered the prime age for tennis players (22), and looks set to dominate the game for the next few years. Although I think his longevity is limited by his playing style; I hear he has chronic tendinitis, which is ridiculous at his young age. He won't last long in the game with the style of play that he has.

Zoupa
07-04-2008, 09:58 AM
From what I've heard it's the hard courts that do him the damage to his knees. Tony Nadal told him that he doesn't want him playing many HC tournaments, but he has to if he wants to compete in the rankings.

For this reason I don't see him dominating the tour for the next few years. If Fed falls out of the rankings Djoko will probably dominate hard courts and keep it competitive.

I wasn't that impressed with Rafa today either. He blew Scheuttler away in the first set, but Rainer was just playing terrible. Then Rainer pushed him in the 2nd set and was holding his own in the 3rd. Rafa doesn't look invincible to me.

JBDW
07-04-2008, 10:08 AM
From what I've heard it's the hard courts that do him the damage to his knees. Tony Nadal told him that he doesn't want him playing many HC tournaments, but he has to if he wants to compete in the rankings.

For this reason I don't see him dominating the tour for the next few years. If Fed falls out of the rankings Djoko will probably dominate hard courts and keep it competitive.

I wasn't that impressed with Rafa today either. He blew Scheuttler away in the first set, but Rainer was just playing terrible. Then Rainer pushed him in the 2nd set and was holding his own in the 3rd. Rafa doesn't look invincible to me.

Sounds about right. His style of play is especially bad for his body on the hard surfaces, and unless he changes his style of play which works for him so well right now, he probably won't ever be a force on the hard courts. Look to Djoko and Nadal to dominate once Federer exits gracefully.

I only hope you're right about Nadal.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 10:13 AM
Dammit, that's what I was thinking. But I'll just have faith that Roger is more fired up to come back and defend his title after having lost so badly at Roland Garros..doesn't help that Nadal just entered the prime age for tennis players (22), and looks set to dominate the game for the next few years. Although I think his longevity is limited by his playing style; I hear he has chronic tendinitis, which is ridiculous at his young age. He won't last long in the game with the style of play that he has.


From what I've heard it's the hard courts that do him the damage to his knees. Tony Nadal told him that he doesn't want him playing many HC tournaments, but he has to if he wants to compete in the rankings.

For this reason I don't see him dominating the tour for the next few years. If Fed falls out of the rankings Djoko will probably dominate hard courts and keep it competitive.

I wasn't that impressed with Rafa today either. He blew Scheuttler away in the first set, but Rainer was just playing terrible. Then Rainer pushed him in the 2nd set and was holding his own in the 3rd. Rafa doesn't look invincible to me.

Yeah, given Nadal's musculature approach to the game of tennis it has to take wear and tear on the body.

I can't imagine him playing at this level for more than a few years. His game is just too demanding on the joints and tendons.

Brad Gilbert was suggesting that Nadal would someday have the grand slams title record surpassing both Sampras and Federer. I don't, for a second, think that's going to happen. It's more likely Nadal will burn out long before it gets close to that record and that's assuming NO injuries. A big if.

BTW - John McEnroe is predicting a Roger victory. If that means anything. lol.:D

Zoupa
07-04-2008, 10:22 AM
lol Brad Gilbert's such an idiot. He makes these ridiculous predictions hoping that they come true so that he can say "I told you so."

I trust John McEnroe's insight, though. He's unbiased and is actually a big fan of both players.

kartikr
07-04-2008, 11:33 AM
I am rooting for Rafa, I love his playing style and his attitude. I think Rafa is more modest than Federer and for that reason I like him more ( although it's true that Federer has more achievements to be proud of right now).

But Rafa so far has been almost invincible in his matches , except for that second set vs Schuettler. Federer looked beatable against Safin, if only the big guy hadn't made so many unforced errors! Both players hit almost the same number of winners, but Safin had so many more unforced errors.

Ofcourse, Federer can always take his level up a notch, but at his current level, I don't think he will beat Nadal.

Pssst
07-04-2008, 11:58 AM
I have no idea who I'm gonna be rooting on. I like both players a lot.

Nadal's style of play is CRAZY. It's hard to get some points off of him because of his consistency, and his attitude is probably one of the best in the game. I've never really seen him frustrated. It's hard enough winning a set from him; how do you win three?
I don't think I need to add anything for Federer, haha. His backhand might be a slight liability.
This year is gonna be GREAT. Most likely 5 sets. I think Nadal, if he keeps winning French could beat a couple records. He just needs to work on his hard court game a bit, and when Federer retires (or even before possibly) Nadal can get some valuable Wimbledon wins.

Has anyone considered that since Nadal is primarily right handed that his 2 handed backhand is powerful because of that? Not insulting Rafa in any way because that's crazy skill, but just something I thought about before when I was talking to my bro.

Zoupa
07-04-2008, 12:06 PM
hmmm... I doubt it. His left arm is about twice the size of his right. So I doubt that his powerful backhand is from being right handed.

I have seen him frustrated. Back when blake was owning him because blake likes smacking those high balls down. One of the reasons that I don't think he'll ever dominate hardcourts is because there are too many guys that like hitting his high topspin shots on that surface.


I am rooting for Rafa, I love his playing style and his attitude. I think Rafa is more modest than Federer and for that reason I like him more ( although it's true that Federer has more achievements to be proud of right now).

But Rafa so far has been almost invincible in his matches , except for that second set vs Schuettler. Federer looked beatable against Safin, if only the big guy hadn't made so many unforced errors! Both players hit almost the same number of winners, but Safin had so many more unforced errors.

Ofcourse, Federer can always take his level up a notch, but at his current level, I don't think he will beat Nadal.

To be fair, Safin is a much bigger test than Scheuttler. Scheuttler only made it so far because of his favourable draw. And Nadal has lost a set this tournament to Gulbis. He's also been broken more than Fed.

And the term 'unforced errors' is pretty inaccurate sometimes. Sometimes the errors really are forced. Meaning that the player forces you to play low percentage tennis in order to try and win points and therefore commit more 'unforced' errors.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 01:13 PM
hmmm... I doubt it. His left arm is about twice the size of his right. So I doubt that his powerful backhand is from being right handed.

I have seen him frustrated. Back when blake was owning him because blake likes smacking those high balls down. One of the reasons that I don't think he'll ever dominate hardcourts is because there are too many guys that like hitting his high topspin shots on that surface.



To be fair, Safin is a much bigger test than Scheuttler. Scheuttler only made it so far because of his favourable draw. And Nadal has lost a set this tournament to Gulbis. He's also been broken more than Fed.

And the term 'unforced errors' is pretty inaccurate sometimes. Sometimes the errors really are forced. Meaning that the player forces you to play low percentage tennis in order to try and win points and therefore commit more 'unforced' errors.

You're right on the money about Nadal's hard court game. His top spin shots are not as effective on it. The surface rewards pace and depth of shot. High top spin shots that land short are easy meat for the big flat ball hitters like Blake, Youhnzy, Roddick, Tsonga, Berydch. All these guys have beaten Nadal on hard courts. Some in straight sets. I haven't even mentioned Djokovic or Daveydenko who also have recently beaten Nadal on hard courts.

Yes he may win Wimbledon and he's #1 on clay but he still has not conquered the hard courts yet.

BTW - Bjorn Borg also didn't win a U.S. Open. He was 0-4
losing twice to Connors and McEnroe. Once on Clay at Forest Hills. The only reason I mention it is Nadal is often called the modern day version of Borg. Well Borg didn't win the U.S. Open either with his big exaggerated top spin shots. Nadal will certainly have to make adjustments to win at Flushing Meadows.

kartikr
07-04-2008, 03:02 PM
You're right on the money about Nadal's hard court game. His top spin shots are not as effective on it. The surface rewards pace and depth of shot. High top spin shots that land short are easy meat for the big flat ball hitters like Blake, Youhnzy, Roddick, Tsonga, Berydch. All these guys have beaten Nadal on hard courts. Some in straight sets. I haven't even mentioned Djokovic or Daveydenko who also have recently beaten Nadal on hard courts.

Yes he may win Wimbledon and he's #1 on clay but he still has not conquered the hard courts yet.

BTW - Bjorn Borg also didn't win a U.S. Open. He was 0-4
losing twice to Connors and McEnroe. Once on Clay at Forest Hills. The only reason I mention it is Nadal is often called the modern day version of Borg. Well Borg didn't win the U.S. Open either with his big exaggerated top spin shots. Nadal will certainly have to make adjustments to win at Flushing Meadows.


Very interesting point, I didn't know Borg had not won a US or Aus open. And Nadal was comprehensively beaten last yr Aus open by Tsonga. But then again Joker beat Fed pretty easily too. I guess you could call that tournament a bit of an anomaly for the top 2. I don't expect to see them lose so easily in the future.

If joker can improve his temperament, he can definitely become the No 1 player in years to come. Right now he doesn't have that calm cool composure that Fed/Nadal have, which you need to be a real champ!

Zoupa
07-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Nadal was in pretty normal form at the AO as far as hard court performance goes. Roger was in terrible form at the beginning of the year. His forehand was spraying everywhere and his movement was bad. A lot of people were saying that he was going to lose the #1 ranking before the French Open.

Djokovic is a punk. I straight out don't like him. Same with his parents.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Very interesting point, I didn't know Borg had not won a US or Aus open. And Nadal was comprehensively beaten last yr Aus open by Tsonga. But then again Joker beat Fed pretty easily too. I guess you could call that tournament a bit of an anomaly for the top 2. I don't expect to see them lose so easily in the future.

If joker can improve his temperament, he can definitely become the No 1 player in years to come. Right now he doesn't have that calm cool composure that Fed/Nadal have, which you need to be a real champ!
Djokovic severely hurt his chances at being #1 THIS year by losing in the 2nd round at Wimbledon. He had reached the semi-finals the previous year and had those points to defend. He will lose some ground to Nadal and Federer.

Also, Djokovic did very well last year on the summer hard court circuit and the US open. He has many points to defend. The pressure will be on him.

It's Nadal who has everything to gain by doing well this summer especially in Canada and Cincinnati (master series events) and the US open. Should he do well in those events and Federer do poorly he will be #1.

You are right. Djokovic is mentally fragile in the big moments against top players especially Federer and Nadal. He will need to toughen up mentally if he wants to be #1.

BTW - I'm not a big Djokovic fan. His arrogant attitude and court demeanor are turn offs. His annoying parents don't help either. So I wasn't too upset about his early upset at Wimbledon. Thanx Safin:)

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 03:31 PM
Nadal was in pretty normal form at the AO as far as hard court performance goes. Roger was in terrible form at the beginning of the year. His forehand was spraying everywhere and his movement was bad. A lot of people were saying that he was going to lose the #1 ranking before the French Open.

Djokovic is a punk. I straight out don't like him. Same with his parents.
Not to mention. Federer was battling mono at the time and was in a weakened condition. He still reached the semi-finals of the Ozzy open. I watched that Djokovic/Fed semi-final and I knew something was wrong with Fed. Turned out later it was Mono.

sammy21
07-04-2008, 03:55 PM
Not to mention. Federer was battling mono at the time and was in a weakened condition. He still reached the semi-finals of the Ozzy open. I watched that Djokovic/Fed semi-final and I knew something was wrong with Fed. Turned out later it was Mono.

Agreed, I watched that match also and it just seemed Fed was incredibly fatigued that match and the whole tournament, he gave up on a lot of points.

Although I'm a huge Fed fan I like Nadal a lot, I won't be at all disappointed if he were to take over the tennis world after Fed retires/declines, fun to watch, great spirit, great humility. As long as Djokovic stays out of the #1 spot. He's pretty arrogant for only having one slam under his belt, can't imagine what it would be like if he were to win more and become the #1 player.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-04-2008, 04:09 PM
Agreed, I watched that match also and it just seemed Fed was incredibly fatigued that match and the whole tournament, he gave up on a lot of points.

Although I'm a huge Fed fan I like Nadal a lot, I won't be at all disappointed if he were to take over the tennis world after Fed retires/declines, fun to watch, great spirit, great humility. As long as Djokovic stays out of the #1 spot. He's pretty arrogant for only having one slam under his belt, can't imagine what it would be like if he were to win more and become the #1 player.In every interview I've ever seen of Nadal he seems to be a very humble genuine person. He does everything right. He isn't full of himself or arrogant. He trains hard. He conducts himself professionally on and off the court. He sets a very good example for young athletes everywhere.

Nadal would be a fantastic #1 if it can't be Federer.

Both are quality human beings!

kartikr
07-04-2008, 05:28 PM
I agree that Nadal is a great guy. But I don't see why Joker is getting such a bad rap! I haven't see any post match interviews of his where he acts arrogant. He often applauds his opponents when they hit good shots. He has great confidence in himself but I don't recollect any occassion where he has said he thinks he is better than Nadal or Federer. He does yell a lot on court but that's anger directed at himself not anyone else. As far as his parents, I don't know what the story is but it would be wrong to judge Djokovic based on his parents.

Federer once said something along the lines: "I have beaten Agassi so much lately that I am not worried about him" . He has often in the past said that he was 'unbeatable'. The difference is that Fed is always smiling and gracious so he appears very humble, but his statements show that he has a fairly big ego as well.

Pssst
07-04-2008, 08:45 PM
Nothing wrong with Djokovic over here. I've never seen him arrogant, but I think he's a funny guy. Mentally weak, like somebody else pointed out, though. He was on an interview with Jay Leno that was pretty awesome.

Nadal's dedication and attitude makes everyone like him a lot, haha. He plays and practices harder than any other player (probably). He has a major problem on hard courts because he likes to hide behind the baseline as well as his topspin shots. He just needs to play more aggressive on the hard courts.

Zoupa
07-04-2008, 09:04 PM
Nothing wrong with Djokovic over here. I've never seen him arrogant, but I think he's a funny guy. Mentally weak, like somebody else pointed out, though. He was on an interview with Jay Leno that was pretty awesome.

Nadal's dedication and attitude makes everyone like him a lot, haha. He plays and practices harder than any other player (probably). He has a major problem on hard courts because he likes to hide behind the baseline as well as his topspin shots. He just needs to play more aggressive on the hard courts.

Well then you've never seen/read any of his post match interviews. He's an arrogant douche.

aldinton
07-05-2008, 12:37 PM
I liked the Williams' sisters match this morning. I think they really fought hard and was very competitive. Serena almost cried when she lost, but I think venus handled it pretty good so her sister didn't feel too bad.

tmac4real
07-05-2008, 12:39 PM
im so confused, what time is final and when is it and on what channel?

aldinton
07-05-2008, 12:40 PM
By the way...venus decided that she would win the ladies doubles for serena and they both did, and did it pretty easy as well. winning in straight sets 6-2, 6-2

aldinton
07-05-2008, 12:41 PM
im so confused, what time is final and when is it and on what channel?

Sunay morning on NBC at 9 am eastern time.

Pssst
07-05-2008, 01:08 PM
By the way...venus decided that she would win the ladies doubles for serena and they both did, and did it pretty easy as well. winning in straight sets 6-2, 6-2

Their groundstrokes are so powerful that they both set each other up for an easy volley. Same for serve, haha.

Was anyone rooting on Zheng Jie to beat Serena?

SquatTilYouDrop
07-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Was anyone rooting on Zheng Jie to beat Serena?

Sounds more like Chinese food than a tennis player.

I'll have mine with an egg role Pwease:D

aldinton
07-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Their groundstrokes are so powerful that they both set each other up for an easy volley. Same for serve, haha.

Was anyone rooting on Zheng Jie to beat Serena?

I wanted a Williams sisters finals mainly because if either of them were in the finals there would be no real competition. But when the tournament first started I was hoping for Ivanovic and venus finals. But no such luck:(


Sounds more like Chinese food than a tennis player.

I'll have mine with an egg role Pwease:D

LOL...

aldinton
07-05-2008, 07:41 PM
Nadal's great shot last year vs federer

x9v41uJeKK0

JBDW
07-06-2008, 05:39 AM
Final coming up in 20 minutes.

WAR FEDERER!

aldinton
07-06-2008, 06:41 AM
Final coming up in 20 minutes.

WAR FEDERER!

it has started and already seem to be a classic at 1-0

aldinton
07-06-2008, 06:47 AM
Nadal got first breakpoint from Federer in this wimbledon and is leading 2-1 and it about to serve

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 07:20 AM
Am I too late for this one :(

aldinton
07-06-2008, 07:23 AM
Am I too late for this one :(

no you aren't...check NBC, the game is still in the first set

aldinton
07-06-2008, 07:25 AM
Nadal has won the first set 6-4.

JBDW
07-06-2008, 07:26 AM
Federer's gonna get schooled at this rate. :(

3 break points and he lost them all!

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 07:26 AM
My reps then are on Federer

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 07:28 AM
Fed had his chances in the first set.

Nadal 6-4

aldinton
07-06-2008, 07:33 AM
Federer's gonna get schooled at this rate. :(

3 break points and he lost them all!

But Nadal had about the same set points as well and finally won

j_son88
07-06-2008, 07:35 AM
Come on federer!!!!!!!!!!!!

hes been awesome on serve. Nadal hasnt been as convincing on serve imo, but has been better in the base line ralleys. Federer starting to pick out nadals weakneses tho by coming to the net and making nadal play early.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 07:37 AM
Come on federer!!!!!!!!!!!!

hes been awesome on serve. Nadal hasnt been as convincing on serve imo, but has been better in the base line ralleys. Federer starting to pick out nadals weakneses tho by coming to the net and making nadal play early.Fed making a come back in the 2nd set up 3-0.:)

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 07:37 AM
Come on federer!!!!!!!!!!!!

hes been awesome on serve. Nadal hasnt been as convincing on serve imo, but has been better in the base line ralleys. Federer starting to pick out nadals weakneses tho by coming to the net and making nadal play early.

Nadal had the first ACE of the game!

His serve hasn't been that impressive but his like to play from the back of the court. The court has slowed a lot over the years so he should be getting shots he's missing.

Even though I'm routing for him - I think Nadal is gonna give a run for his money!

aldinton
07-06-2008, 07:42 AM
Fed making a come back in the 2nd set up 3-0.:)

No up 4-1, with 2 aces in the last point

wouldlikemuscle
07-06-2008, 07:43 AM
C'mon Nadal!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/mstokesy/Nadal1.jpg

aldinton
07-06-2008, 07:45 AM
Come on federer!!!!!!!!!!!!

hes been awesome on serve. Nadal hasnt been as convincing on serve imo, but has been better in the base line ralleys. Federer starting to pick out nadals weakneses tho by coming to the net and making nadal play early.

Federer serve has always been much better, but Nadal has made much improvements in serving since last wimbledon. and i agree almost everytime that fed comes to the net he wins the point

aldinton
07-06-2008, 07:53 AM
I've just seen the best play in the tournament at 4-3 in the 2nd set and 30-0. Nadal running back and making a great return

j_son88
07-06-2008, 08:00 AM
wow, awesome comeback from nadal!!! if he wins this set i think its all over....


3 BREAK POINTS!! :O

aldinton
07-06-2008, 08:07 AM
wow, awesome comeback from nadal!!! if he wins this set i think its all over....


3 BREAK POINTS!! :O

X2...Nadal is playing extremely well

Krucial B
07-06-2008, 08:11 AM
i really love nadal but being a die hard fed fan this is hard to watch. i still have faith even down 2 sets now.


this is seriously hard to watch

aldinton
07-06-2008, 08:11 AM
Nadal leads 6-4, 6-4 up 2 sets...this looks like Nadals year, i'm not sure Federer can come back from this

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 08:12 AM
Nadal new Wimbledon champ OR can Fed dig deep and come back in 5?

JBDW
07-06-2008, 08:13 AM
This is painful. Fed is just not taking advantage of all those break points he's been getting, while Nadal has. That's the difference. And it's pretty obvious that the stress is getting to Federer..I haven't seen him that upset in a long time.

Even as a neutral though, this is just annoying to watch. You want to see a 5-set classic, not a schooling like we're seeing..

COME ON FEDERER..

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 08:14 AM
This is painful. Fed is just not taking advantage of all those break points he's been getting, while Nadal has. That's the difference. And it's pretty obvious that the stress is getting to Federer..I haven't seen him that upset in a long time.

Even as a neutral though, this is just annoying to watch. You want to see a 5-set classic, not a schooling like we're seeing..

COME ON FEDERER..

yeah wtf is this ****

aldinton
07-06-2008, 08:15 AM
do you think that Nadal is playing this good...or its just federer making lots of faults??

I think Nadal is playing very good, but Federer is making unforced errors

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 08:15 AM
This is painful. Fed is just not taking advantage of all those break points he's been getting, while Nadal has. That's the difference. And it's pretty obvious that the stress is getting to Federer..I haven't seen him that upset in a long time.

Even as a neutral though, this is just annoying to watch. You want to see a 5-set classic, not a schooling like we're seeing..

COME ON FEDERER..

give me a good kick up the arse!

wouldlikemuscle
07-06-2008, 08:19 AM
If they don't hurry up... rain'll stop play.. it's on its way (yes raining where I am!)

aldinton
07-06-2008, 08:28 AM
Federer has had 8 break points so far and only won 1

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 08:28 AM
If they don't hurry up... rain'll stop play.. it's on its way (yes raining where I am!)

yep it's gonna piddle down on them!

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 08:36 AM
Federer has had 8 break points so far and only won 1And in many of those break points...Very good looks at 2nd serves.

Fed is making too many unforced errors. The wind may have something to do with it. But I think Nadal's game has more to do with it.

Nadal is in Feds head!

j_son88
07-06-2008, 08:37 AM
man federers arm turns to jelly on break points. He had 2 break points on 2 second serves and failed to take advantage. I think a rain break will benefit federer now...

Krucial B
07-06-2008, 08:39 AM
nadal isnt doing much to stop fed from breaking.... 83mph second serve and fed taps it into the net...... c'mon roger needs to step it up....


1/11 on breaks now

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 08:40 AM
Federer is just handing him the whole game!

Your right Nadal is in his head!

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 08:43 AM
wow this is a disaster

Zoupa
07-06-2008, 08:44 AM
I turned the match off after the 2nd set. It's too frustrating seeing the same thing every single time they play. Nadal abusing Fed's backhand and Fed being a mental headcase and crumbling on break points. He still has the ability, even though he's past his prime, but obviously Nadal is in his head. It got really bad in the clay season and now it's even worse.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 08:45 AM
Give Fed credit for surviving 0-40 down. Maybe Nadal is tightening up? Hmm?

aldinton
07-06-2008, 08:52 AM
raining...with ederer up 5-4 in the 3rd

JBDW
07-06-2008, 08:54 AM
Federer's mentally broken. I'm not going to stick around and wait when Federer is playing so poorly, and when I've got to wake up early tomorrow.

To all Nadal fans, congratulations in advance. Your guy played a fantastic game, and as much as I want to, I can't hate him.

aldinton
07-06-2008, 08:55 AM
nadal isnt doing much to stop fed from breaking.... 83mph second serve and fed taps it into the net...... c'mon roger needs to step it up....


1/11 on breaks now

i agree but serving 100mph 2nd serve and then 83mph is a big difference...it really caught fed by surprise...but he isn't playing good though, as everyone is saying Nadal is in his head and nerves is getting the better of him.

Maybe after the rain he will get his act together

Zoupa
07-06-2008, 08:58 AM
What I want to see Fed do is pull a Safin. Smash his racquet and maybe break a couple chairs or something.

aldinton
07-06-2008, 09:07 AM
What I want to see Fed do is pull a Safin. Smash his racquet and maybe break a couple chairs or something.

LOL...i doubt we'l see that

tmac4real
07-06-2008, 09:14 AM
any of yall gangstas got a stream fro this epic matchup

sammy21
07-06-2008, 09:14 AM
Still pulling for Fed, I think he can win the 3rd.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 09:50 AM
What I want to see Fed do is pull a Safin. Smash his racquet and maybe break a couple chairs or something.LOL. Maybe that would help? He does need a spark. A wake up call before it's too late.

Federer's has the better grass court game. He just needs to impose it and play more consistent especially on the big points. On the break points he's been anything but Federer like.

aldinton
07-06-2008, 09:52 AM
Still pulling for Fed, I think he can win the 3rd.

yes he can...but its going to be very hard for him to win 3 in a row (not impossible though)

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 10:33 AM
Yippie!!

4 sets:D

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 11:25 AM
holy ****ttttt

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 11:32 AM
Bloody Hell Federer is hanging in there by the skin of his teeth :eek:

sammy21
07-06-2008, 11:32 AM
5th set baby!

LETS GO FED!

best match I've ever seen in my life.

Krucial B
07-06-2008, 11:32 AM
dont EVER count out the heart of a champion!

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 11:32 AM
holy ****tttttGoing to 5!
Can you believe it!

Zoupa
07-06-2008, 11:32 AM
Win or lose this was huge for Federer. What a way to go from choking to keeping your composure.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 11:34 AM
Win or lose this was huge for Federer. What a way to go from choking to keeping your composure.
Fabulous backhand pass for Fed at match point down:)

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 11:38 AM
Federer is playing the game of his life! Absolutely AWESOME TENNIS!

wouldlikemuscle
07-06-2008, 11:56 AM
Bloody rain!

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 11:57 AM
ahhhh son of a bitch they'd better not have to come back tomorrow

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 11:58 AM
probably

sammy21
07-06-2008, 12:00 PM
I'm going to be pissed if this is delayed until tomorrow. Completely ruins the match, plus I won't be able to watch it.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 12:02 PM
:(
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_LGgcXOv4dvk/RwK4KqkN7rI/AAAAAAAAAc8/BnqmfcJA3S4/DSC02707.JPG

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 12:06 PM
Totally sucks but that's our weather for you :(

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 12:11 PM
i've always wondered why the **** they haven't built a retractable roof on centre court yet

iamlegend
07-06-2008, 12:13 PM
nadal pretty much choked that one away. Not much of a sack.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 12:14 PM
i've always wondered why the **** they haven't built a retractable roof on centre court yetIt takes Wimbledon forever to change.

Hell, they were the last grand slam to give women equal pay to the men.

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 12:15 PM
nadal pretty much choked that one away. Not much of a sack.What I was thinking. The double fault was weak and shaaaaky!

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 12:26 PM
Game's back on :D

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 12:32 PM
potentially greatest comeback in grand slam tennis history?

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 12:34 PM
Woot Woot Woot Federer Federer Federer!!!!

tmac4real
07-06-2008, 12:49 PM
**** federer took it.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 12:50 PM
**** federer took it.

Not just yet nearly though.

tmac4real
07-06-2008, 12:51 PM
Not just yet nearly though.

he's won the last two 7-6ers so I dunno, seems like he's taking everything.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 12:53 PM
he's won the last two 7-6ers so I dunno, seems like he's taking everything.

dunno this is getting really close :eek:

MiKey4
07-06-2008, 12:53 PM
first break of serve probbaly will decide the winner now

Project_BelAir
07-06-2008, 12:57 PM
1st time watching tennis, can anyone explain to me who's winning and how? Thanks.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 12:58 PM
1st time watching tennis, can anyone explain to me who's winning and how? Thanks.

not now would take to long sorry

On another note looks like nerves and tiredness are getting to the both of them.

00Baller
07-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Tennis scoring is mad confusing. This is like the third match ive ever watched. Why isn't Federer the winner after winning 3 sets?

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 01:01 PM
1st time watching tennis, can anyone explain to me who's winning and how? Thanks.

they're basically tied at this point

men play best of five sets, each set is won by winning 6 games, by at least 2. if they're tied at 6 games each, they play a tiebreaker of first to 7 points.

so if you look at the current score of 4-6, 4-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-6, that means the first two sets, Nadal won 6 games to 4, the second two sets, Federer won in a tiebreaker, and now they're basically tied again in the 5th set

except in wimbledon, the 5th set can't be won in a tiebreaker, it's just win by two...so it could potentially go for a while

basically this is epic

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:01 PM
first break of serve probbaly will decide the winner now

Federer needs to do this but Nadal is really good so I don't think it'll happen easily

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 01:01 PM
Tennis scoring is mad confusing. This is like the third match ive ever watched. Why isn't Federer the winner after winning 3 sets?

federer hasn't won three sets yet, they've both won 2 each.

00Baller
07-06-2008, 01:02 PM
1st time watching tennis, can anyone explain to me who's winning and how? Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_scoring

Explains it pretty well

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:04 PM
OMG did you see that last play - WELL DONE NADAL that was awesome playing.

00Baller
07-06-2008, 01:05 PM
federer hasn't won three sets yet, they've both won 2 each.


they're basically tied at this point

men play best of five sets, each set is won by winning 6 games, by at least 2. if they're tied at 6 games each, they play a tiebreaker of first to 7 points.

so if you look at the current score of 4-6, 4-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-6, that means the first two sets, Nadal won 6 games to 4, the second two sets, Federer won in a tiebreaker, and now they're basically tied again in the 5th set

except in wimbledon, the 5th set can't be won in a tiebreaker, it's just win by two...so it could potentially go for a while

basically this is epic


So Federer could win the match by winning 8-6 in the last set? And this is only in Wimbledon? So it would have gone to tiebreaker in a non-Wimbledon 5th set?

edit: well now 9-7?

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:08 PM
So Federer could win the match by winning 8-6 in the last set? And this is only in Wimbledon? So it would have gone to tiebreaker in a non-Wimbledon 5th set?

LOL it's got nothing to do with Wimbledon it could be any Grand Slam :)

SGMD1
07-06-2008, 01:08 PM
So Federer could win the match by winning 8-6 in the last set? And this is only in Wimbledon? So it would have gone to tiebreaker in a non-Wimbledon 5th set?

edit: well now 9-7?

exactly. there might be other tournaments which use the same rule but i'm not 100% sure as this is a relatively rare situation

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:09 PM
exactly. there might be other tournaments which use the same rule but i'm not 100% sure as this is a relatively rare situation

that's only because both of them want this so much.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:10 PM
Nadal's taking this match home

Project_BelAir
07-06-2008, 01:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_scoring

Explains it pretty well

Ok, thanks.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:17 PM
NADAL TOOK WIMBLEDON - WELL DONE

Well done to both players they both worked really hard and play excellent tennis!

They played the game of their lives.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:20 PM
Federer looks absolutely gutted. :(

iamlegend
07-06-2008, 01:20 PM
NADAL TOOK WIMBLEDON - WELL DONE

Well done to both players they both worked really hard and play excellent tennis!

They played the game of their lives.

Exactly!

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Exactly!

Wow games like that remind me why I love the game so much.

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Awe Nadal is such a good kid and has so much respect.

lollercopter
07-06-2008, 01:31 PM
EPIC match. Props to both of them for putting up an exciting battle.

Purostaff
07-06-2008, 01:41 PM
reps for both Nad and Fed..

SquatTilYouDrop
07-06-2008, 01:49 PM
Awe Nadal is such a good kid and has so much respect.Yeah,

He seems very humble and respectful.:)

Mindi912
07-06-2008, 01:52 PM
Yeah,

He seems very humble and respectful.:)

LOL at him walking over everything at the end to say thanks to everyone

aldinton
07-06-2008, 03:22 PM
I liked the way that Nadal showed respect to Federer and the way he spoke about him...he is a real big man...

and of course federer did the same thing....


CONGRATS NADAL

Krucial B
07-06-2008, 03:27 PM
yeah this was a classic match, it still hurts being a fed fan though. i really like nadal and i hope he can do well on the hardcourts, fed should be back in the finals at the US since he will be healthy unlike at the aussie. i just hope fed or nadal or anyone beats the **** out of djokovic, i cant stand that guy, he thinks he belongs in the ranks with fed and nadal...

aldinton
07-06-2008, 03:33 PM
yeah this was a classic match, it still hurts being a fed fan though. i really like nadal and i hope he can do well on the hardcourts, fed should be back in the finals at the US since he will be healthy unlike at the aussie. i just hope fed or nadal or anyone beats the **** out of djokovic, i cant stand that guy, he thinks he belongs in the ranks with fed and nadal...

yea...i can't wait for the finals of the US open...once nothing doesn't go wrong we should have this same final for a few years to come unless there is someone new to match these guys...they are the best by far

aldinton
07-06-2008, 03:45 PM
The headline on the wimbledon site also says it is the longest game in wimbledons history lasting 12 minutes under 5 hours

Zoupa
07-06-2008, 03:47 PM
Joker is arguably the best hard courter right now. His shots penetrate well on the surface. He has trouble with movement and the bounces on grass, which prevents him from being top 2 there.

Good match by Rafa today, although I wish that Fed would've won. Still good to fight from 2 sets down.

caj
07-07-2008, 06:03 AM
Nadal's win over Federer in five sets has done something special - it's gotten everyone talking about tennis again.

This is the rivalry we've been waiting for. We knew Nadal was king of clay and Federer was king of grass. We've just been waiting for one to de-throne the other.

And it could not have been more dramatical than yesterday's match.