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beniprovince
03-03-2003, 12:43 PM
can anyone please advise me what should I take
to improve my wood availability and strength

I am considering l-arginine or 1-AD or 4-AD , can anyone
help me I have a younger girlfriend and she thinks I should
be jumping around like a 20 year old, but I currently can not
I eat clean, train in the gym, bike and power walk, just need
some advice on the libido side please kind folks, I try to avoid
doctors if at all possible

I am nearly 50

ANY SUGGESTIONS please please ????

thank you kind sirs
kind regards
BENI

MagicMel
03-03-2003, 01:32 PM
I'm 48.
Over a month ago I was supplementing with Nitro-AKG from MASS. It is a timed release arginine-AKG just like NO2, but not as expensive. The hemodilation effect was definitely noticeable starting within the first week of loading. The "pump" seemed to last forever. I'm still not sure if I made any muscular gains from it, but I enjoyed the overall muscular hardness throughout the day. Now as far as "nighttime" goes, I also noticed a much firmer pump. It has been compared to Viagra before, but I can't comment on the comparison since I have never taken it before. You might just want to try it and see.

I've also take Adaptagen-N from the same company. It's main ingredient is Tribulus Terrestris which is supposed to increase testosterone. One of the "side effects" of Trib is increased libido. You might want to look into Trib supplements like Syntrax Fuzu, or Sopharma Tribestan, etc.

Hope this helps.

BTW, my wife is 32. We've had no problem, except for that fact that she is now pregnant.

Dutchman
03-03-2003, 04:01 PM
Whoa there Beni me lad! You DON'T want to take 1-AD if your looking for stronger wood. Stronger muscles yes, but all of the 1-Test PH's have the side effect of reducing your libido. 4-AD, though I've never taken it, is commonly used in conjunction with 1-AD to increase strength and muscle gains but also to keep your libido raging, so it might not be a bad alternative. Another herb that I personally like is the aptly named "Horny Goat Weed" which is available online and at GNCs etc. It'll definitely increase your interest in seconds and thirds!

You might even try to supplement with some hard Squat routines in the gym. I kid you not when I say that they seem to crank up the old testosterone somehow. Trust the old Dutchman, at 61 yrs old, he knows things...chuckle chuckle chuckle!

Belle
03-03-2003, 04:22 PM
Buy some dhea tablets and quarter (6.25mg = a 25mg tab split in four) them and take a quarter a day at nightime before bed. There will be lead in your pencil alright. :)

It will naturally increase all other sex steroids and if this is not enough after a month step the dose up by another quarter.

*smiles* I am sure this will be equal to if not as EFFECTIVE as anything else suggested. Just be careful and observe how YOU feel personally and give it some time.

Belle
03-03-2003, 04:27 PM
I could quite believe the Dutchman here where he refers to squatting as being a possible exercise to aid the increase of testosterone naturally. In theory your toning the quads and glutes and hamstrings and the quads have got to be fairly larghe muscles which means would have a larger boost on the metabolism where GH production and other anabolics are concerned or stimulation of such by your own body--not to mention the strength gains in those areas for rompy pompy. ;)

Belle
03-03-2003, 05:20 PM
Increased activity in itself increases DHEA those anabolics to small degrees. DHEA at the dose I mentioned is a drop in the ocean and merely a "tweak" and dhea's are only dangerous in large doses that are above physiological levels half of the time such as 120mg and above. It's like anything else, you CAN take TOO much. Belladonna in the right dose cures certain condtions but kills if the dose is large enough. Sometimes less is more. DHEA supplements are far safer I would have thought than taking anabolics.

Belle
03-03-2003, 05:24 PM
Look up this Doctor here who says:

One advocate of DHEA, Dr. Ray Sahelian, warns that high doses (25-50mg daily) can be bad for your heart. It can trigger heart palpitations, irregular heartbeats and even heart attack. His advice is to take no more than 10mg a day and avoid it altogether for at least one or two weeks a month.

That's why I suggested only 6.25mg per day which is one 25mg tablet chopped into four pieces.

http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/dhea1.htm

Link to his page on longevity:

http://www.raysahelian.com/longevity.html

Link to his page about dhea:

http://www.raysahelian.com/dhea.html

Link to his page about andro:

http://www.raysahelian.com/androstenedione.html

Link to his index page about numerous problems:

http://www.raysahelian.com/books.html

back2it
03-03-2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Chi1
1-AD used in conjunction with 1-AD... Dutchman can you explain?

I think He meant 4-AD . it has the same effects Dutchman descibed when used with 1-AD .

Belle
03-03-2003, 05:56 PM
Probably a good idea getting the levels checked via blood testing. Mostly the side-effects apply if you make dhea plentifully as a young guy for example and then take a supplement on top of that. However, if your low in the stuff, taking a small supplement could be beneficial. I'd ask the Doctor. Most of the drugs they prescribe for the same problem only have temporary effects (such as viagra or yohimbe can be bought over the counter) but they are equally as dangerous if not more so and can affect your heart anyway. That Dr I pointed to from here has done much research into the subject though and has contact with many people who have tried the supplements he talks about and has had feedback so he has determined decent healthy doses of such over the years it seems.

Of course any stress will stomp all over those hormones, so the mopre the gf stresses you out, the worse it is likely to get unfortunately--- not talking about performance anxiety--but rather stresses in a relationship or stresses financially or in a job or whatever...if they are prolonged for months on end it will affect your hormones and thus libido and muscle growth.

Dutchman
03-03-2003, 08:32 PM
Chi1, sorry about the misprint above. Back2it was right on with his correction, I was referring to 4AD.

As for the use of 1AD, I have been writing about it and my results both in muscle and strength increases as well as it's prostate friendliness for more than a year now. Having battled severe prostate problems repeatedly for 40 years I am extremely cautious in this situation. Nonetheless I have had simply great results with the 1AD whereas I had horrible results with other prohormones. I can only ascribe it to the lack of conversion to DHT and my regimin of saw palmetto, lycopin etc. Getting a checkup is an important first step and continued monitoring is crucial. Still I am of the belief that 1AD is the best suited PH for us old farts, at least in my experience. In this case however it is not what Beni is looking for, it would be very counterproductive.

priapis
03-04-2003, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by beniprovince
can anyone please advise me what should I take
to improve my wood availability and strength

I am considering l-arginine or 1-AD or 4-AD , can anyone
help me I have a younger girlfriend and she thinks I should
be jumping around like a 20 year old, but I currently can not
I eat clean, train in the gym, bike and power walk, just need
some advice on the libido side please kind folks, I try to avoid
doctors if at all possible

I am nearly 50

ANY SUGGESTIONS please please ????

thank you kind sirs
kind regards
BENI

herbs for wood:
avena sativa
yohimbe


drugs:
viagra of course

beniprovince
03-04-2003, 10:37 AM
thanks to everyone for the great advice, I think Belle
has hit it on the head for me, I have been suffering
from bad work related stress for sometime, so I think it
must be affecting my hormones, I will certainly try some
of the supps mentioned, thanks to all of you, it is great
to have such knowledge on the board


thanks to you all for the help most appeciated ladies and gents !

Beni

Dutchman
03-04-2003, 12:32 PM
Chi1, no offense taken. That's the nice thing about this board, it's full of people who are serious, hardtraining, open, knowledgable, helpful and often downright funny. Here everyone has earned the benefit of the doubt so you know there is always a mature, honest intention or meaning behind everything.

As to your 1AD question, I could only best direct you to the same hyperlink you listed. It's been up there for more than a year. At the bottom of the article click on the "1AD frequently asked questions" and go to the second one which deals with possible prostate effects. I have no test evidence to support my opinion, only my own experience which supports their theory about it's friendliness. I do hedge by maintaining a strict vitamin therapy regimin and by allowing for double the time off between each cycle, ie 4 weeks on then 8 weeks off.

The negative side effects I have found were I added some fat each time along with lots of muscle. I often broke out with more zits than normal on my back or legs etc. The best way for me to avoid that has been in the summer by maintaining a good tan. I also noticed increased sexual lethargy and the Dutchess has to be more of the initiator instead of me. Once started however I didn't notice any further effects. Lastly, I do feel more agressive and channel that energy into my workouts where I become a bit of a grunting, groaning madman as I repeatedly push myself to the limits.

Most people find that 1-Test is even stronger and more effective than 1AD for obvious reasons. I have not tried the new ethergels that reportedly work well, and my skin is much too sensitive for dermal application so I stay with the, for me, tried and true 1AD. I plan on another couple of cycles this year.

maxallen
03-04-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by beniprovince
I try to avoid doctors if at all possible


Beni, why? You eat healthly and excercise, so you're obviously concerned about your health. Regular visits to your doctor should be part of your health regimen. Also, a good doctor would have some advice regarding your libido concerns.

Dutchman
03-05-2003, 06:46 PM
Chi1, gern geschehen...(gladly done)! Viel Glueck...good luck!