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Charger
03-02-2003, 09:47 AM
It's time:D As planned, it's March, time to cut.

Current stats:
Weight: 212
Bf% 14.7
Lean mass 180.7
fat weight 31.2

I used a 3 fold skin fold test for body comp, I think I am a bit higher than 14.7 but won't argue with the numbers.


Goals:
9 to 10% bf and keep lean mass. Doing the math this would mean getting down to 198lbs with no loss of leam mass.
I am going to take it slow this year. Hope to reach my goal by June 1. This will average at or slightly above 1lb a week. I'm ready!

Routine HIT weight training doing a 3 day split using a push/pull
style.
Cardio 3 days a week on off days
One day off, doing nothing but watching racing:D

Hibiscus09
03-02-2003, 09:58 AM
Looks good, Charger! Good luck! You're pretty lean already!

originally posted by Charger
I used a 3 fold skin fold test for body comp, I think I am a bit higher than 14.7 but won't argue with the numbers.

That sounds like me -- you'd better watch out! That's not a good sign. You may be touched in the head.

TwoWalks
03-02-2003, 10:09 AM
Charger, great goals, sounding like a solid plan and view.

Funny in a way - my goal for the other end of summer is to be where you are starting at least for the BF%, be a little smaller for LMM:)

Eye2_Man
03-02-2003, 10:11 AM
Sounds like reasonable goals. Good luck man!

back2it
03-02-2003, 10:35 AM
Looks like a good plan . Certainly realistic .

Gollum
03-02-2003, 10:47 AM
Charger,

Even 14% is pretty lean.Coming down to single digits will be great.I'll be jumping on the bandwagon in April.

What kind of a diet are you planning on following?

Good luck,bro.

Hardcore!

Macattack
03-02-2003, 10:58 AM
post a picture before and after shot charger, thank you:)

Charger
03-02-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Gollum
Charger,


What kind of a diet are you planning on following?



High protein-low carb-low fat. This I think is the best way for me to go.

Mac, I am planning on pre and post, just not putting the pre up until Jun 1 with post pics. Good to hear form you,where ya been?

Back2it, eye,walks, thanks!
Hib, ofcourse I'm touched in the head, pounded more like it:D

Thanks for the replies, I am going to do weekly updates.

kendo
03-02-2003, 11:17 AM
Hi Mate

Good targets and plan Charger - you know what your're doing, just wishing you luck! :)

Brother Phil
03-02-2003, 01:29 PM
Sounds like a good plan, Charger, good luck. I'll be starting a similar program next month. I'll post a thread and probably some before pics when I do. I look forward to your updates.

TrishB
03-02-2003, 01:49 PM
Good luck on the challege honey! You looked great in your last posted pics.. Getting down to 9%, you will be looking really, really nice. :)

GLAlexander
03-02-2003, 02:01 PM
Charger

Good luck on your challenge. I am sure you will do well. I am working to get to 17% BF. I couldn't even imagine at this time getting to nine.

Anomeley
03-02-2003, 02:34 PM
Good luck Charger. Looks like we have a lot of similarities as I too am starting to cut. I'm a bit heavier at 225 but have no clue on BF other than an electronic guage that someone brought to the gym a few weeks ago which had me at like 18%. I need to get a caliper I guess and check it out. I liked the suggetion on before and after pics. I was going to get a few at the gym yesterday doing some heavy bench since I am quite sure I wont be seeing those kind of lifts again till next fall and winter :(

At any rate...I will be joining you on your journey. Maybe we can help each other out. I will get Deb to snap a "before" pic later today and put it up (today) then another about June 1 when we get finished punishing ourselves. What do ya think bro? I dont have a weight goal or BF goal really. I use the mirror and my waste size. Im a 32 now and would really like to be a 29 while keeping a 50 chest (that will be tough) and I want to see my abs again (all of them) all I see now are the top two and a vague shape to the rest (very vague, in fact it may be imagination on the rest lol) So lets do it...whatdaya say?

Charger
03-02-2003, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Anomeley
So lets do it...whatdaya say?

Anomely, your more than welcome to come along. I am already a bit jelous of your numbers. My 34's are tight around the waste as is, I 'm going for the 32's. I carry ALL my fat in 2 places, around my waist and my head:D I'll be working on some photo's when the kids are gone, I'm real entertaining.

Thanks Kendo, I may think I know what I am doing but some of that has came from you. I recieved some advice from you last year for a mystake I don't plan on making again this year.

Phil, Trish, and Alexander, thanks:D
How can I go wrong with all the support here.

tracyb555
03-02-2003, 04:14 PM
9%? Wow! Can't wait to see those photos. Keep up the good work.

Charger
03-02-2003, 04:28 PM
Anomeley,
I used a cheap set of calipers and used a 3 fold test. I was suprised at the number 14.7 and to be honest I would have guessed 18% for myself. Anyway, I am going to stick with the numbers I got now and the method, even if it's not 100% accurate it will give me an idea if I am losing fat or lean mass as long as I do it the same every week. You can pick up a cheap pair for around 20 bucks. They helped me last year when I started seeing my lean mass go bye bye while my fat stayed the same. Without the calipers it would have taken me more time to see that in the mirror.
If your coming along, let me know and I will edit the thread and add you to it.

Anomeley
03-02-2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Charger
Anomeley,
I used a cheap set of calipers and used a 3 fold test. I was suprised at the number 14.7 and to be honest I would have guessed 18% for myself. Anyway, I am going to stick with the numbers I got now and the method, even if it's not 100% accurate it will give me an idea if I am losing fat or lean mass as long as I do it the same every week. You can pick up a cheap pair for around 20 bucks. They helped me last year when I started seeing my lean mass go bye bye while my fat stayed the same. Without the calipers it would have taken me more time to see that in the mirror.
If your coming along, let me know and I will edit the thread and add you to it.

I'm with you all the way bro. Ready to shed some fat gained the last few months. Here is my before shot, please be kind to me group! Just keep in mind, anyone bold enough to show he is a HUGE Huskers fan after the year they had deserves a kind word!

Charger
03-02-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Anomeley
Just keep in mind, anyone bold enough to show he is a HUGE Huskers fan after the year they had deserves a kind word!

AH, HUSKERS FAN??? You did notice where I am from didn't you? :D thats ok, I'm not much of a cyclone fan anyway, I'm a Hawkeye fan. I'll see what I can do with the thread. welcome aboard. Huskers fan? man:D

Anomeley
03-02-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Charger
AH, HUSKERS FAN??? You did notice where I am from didn't you? :D thats ok, I'm not much of a cyclone fan anyway, I'm a Hawkeye fan. I'll see what I can do with the thread. welcome aboard. Huskers fan? man:D


It was one of those pre-ordained deals. I was a Husker fan since I was a kid, then one of my good friends was almost recruited by them (he went to Missouri instead, bad choice) and finally I marry a girl who lived in Lincoln that I met while doing some work in our Omaha office, but that's another story! Weird huh?

Hibiscus09
03-02-2003, 05:05 PM
Anomeley, you look great - looks like you have plenty of muscle --good luck with your challenge! :)

tracyb555
03-02-2003, 05:45 PM
Anomely - looking good! If you haven't already, you should add your pics to the over 35 pictures thread.

TwoWalks
03-02-2003, 08:30 PM
A duo thread, this should keep it exciting:)

Anomeley looking really great, will be a fantastic experience hearing how you and charger are both doing on one thread

phikappa
03-03-2003, 11:07 AM
Charger,

Good luck, bro! I'm really envious of everyone who does a challenge like this. You all have my utmost respect! My attention span is too short to do this kind of thing. I'm satisfied to live vicariously through you guys! Post some pics when you're done.

Charger
03-04-2003, 08:36 PM
OK, thanks to Chi, we now have the first duo Challenge. Anomeley, whats your goals besides your waist and whats your plan?
I am also starting Max-out next week.

Someone brought donuts to work today, I am so proud:D I didn't eat one.

Anomeley
03-05-2003, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Charger
OK, thanks to Chi, we now have the first duo Challenge. Anomeley, whats your goals besides your waist and whats your plan?
I am also starting Max-out next week.

Someone brought donuts to work today, I am so proud:D I didn't eat one.

I thought I would log in from the office and see what was going on. Guess where my mind is lol? Back in the gym is where! My plan of attack follows:

I modified my workout schedule this week a bit by changing my hours here. Im in the gym now by 0530 and lift till almost 0700 before I head here. It has allowed me to add 2 more lifts a day totaling 6-8 more sets. I am lucky in that I eat almost all day long here, keeping a fridge in the office and microwave, blender, etc. so I still use my lunch hour for the gym. I am getting my cardio in at lunch along with abs. Cardio is something I have blown off ALL WINTER LONG while bulking. So far so good. Im keeping my protein intake high while trying to reduce my calories / carbs. Its been hard to break my eating habits this week thus far (very clean, just a lot of calories) but I will get there. I know the extra lifts and cardio will do their job in time. My goals are losing the little bit of flab I have, total 6 pack visible again, 30 inch waste as mentioned and once I get a good handle on my BF % maybe a 9 % with you eh? I'll get there with everyones help I'm sure. (PS: Thanks for adding me to the thread!)

Charger
03-05-2003, 04:14 PM
Man that sounds like me. I have avoided cardio for the most part all winter. Talk about getting winded on the stair climber.
My diet is the same, nothing exact or weighed, just cutting the carbs. My big need is more water. Got to start drinking more water.

Macattack
03-05-2003, 05:52 PM
I have been working long days and get home and just dont feel much like reading and posting much.

Been sick to the last 5 days with allergys everything is blooming around here and it's killin me man!!!!!

Sounds like a good diet plan, i took some pictures last night hoping i would see myself realistically and i did, i need to do more then what i've done so far(elliminating burgers) i still cant get the weight off i desire i think carbs are going to have to go also not just the high fat with ya there.

What gets me is this chest and bean belly Ugh!!!!!!!!! i can pinch all sorts of fat on my chest and my stomach is hard but theres like a 2 inch layer of fat all around it LOL, hey i've come along ways but damn this is like trying to rebuild the body over again.....

Charger
03-05-2003, 06:08 PM
Now I can see how you do suck heavy inclines, wow, what a chest.
As for diet, have patients, stick with it, it'll happen.

Anomeley
03-05-2003, 06:40 PM
Looking real good there Mac!

Macattack
03-05-2003, 09:23 PM
I need a support bra LOL, i got discouraged tonight and had a double with fries, WAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa oh well it's outta my system now ate a shat load of ALA afterwards...

LOVE INCLINES :)



anomeley you cut around 20 pounds and you'll look like a different person i bet, damn wish i had a 32 inch waste mine 42 dude ......

Belle
03-05-2003, 09:47 PM
I love the paint job. That color suits you to a "t." LOL. I just chop my self off at the knees and the neck..hehehe.

Phatman1179
03-06-2003, 07:00 AM
Mac - I wouldn't get to down on your self, you got an awesome set of shoulders and Huge chest. Strip that layer off and Ba Bing.

Anomeley - You look great already, Your bf% has to be close to single digits already. You and Charger are going to kick ass. BTW you guys got any friendly wagering going on? lol

Where is your pic Charger? (just bustin yur chops a little)

Macattack
03-06-2003, 04:08 PM
Belle i have enemy's on the net had a picture i had posted on another site taken and put onto a Gay site sometime back by an old friend playing games so dont like to show my face much ya know, i have an image to uphold here:)

Phatman been working shoulders sometimes twice a week there starting to get an idea that it's time to grow now, fat is so stubborn seems to have its own mind made up that it's staying, only way i found to lose it was literally starving myself....

TrishB
03-06-2003, 05:13 PM
Mac....if you want opinion, I think you are looking pretty good. :) You are a big guy, nothing wrong with that. ;)
You've come a long way honey, in more ways than one.
A double with fries is not going to set you back. It's done and gone.... now just keep moving onward.

And when you are really satisfied with how you look...I think you will be showing that handsome face too.
If you don't, I might have to head to the west coast, just to check it out! :)

Charger
03-06-2003, 05:21 PM
Trish, your gonna make the big guy blush:D I beat he's turning red now. gosh.

IPR
03-06-2003, 05:52 PM
Charger, anomeley......good luck with the challenge :)

Mac.....looking BIG.

Anomeley
03-06-2003, 07:15 PM
Thanks everybody. I know Charger is as commited as I am. I was talking with a bro at the gym this afternoon while I did cardio (since I am lifting with a different crowd earlier now) and he is going to bring calipers tomorrow or Monday after he talks to Sharon about her bringing her electronic guage back in to compare. She says that its accurate to 2% (she is a nurse) for what that is worth. I'm coming up on the end of my first week of the new schedule and it's going great. My diet is always pretty clean, I don't cheat a lot but I do eat a lot lol! That part needs to change.

Changing my lifting hours were the best part. Anyone notice how not really changing the way you lift as opposed to say the "time" you lift makes a huge difference mentally? I think you get in that routine with the same faces and get a little stale, all the new faces and the much more crowded atmosphere drive me to lift harder and heavier. I was thinking of a way to hold everyones interest as we go along (and maybe there is a thread like it somewhere) but would you all like to see some pics of where I lift? Some of the guys I lift with? Some of the ones that drive me nuts and lead me to contribute on the "Things I hate at the Gym" thread lol? Also, how about some cardio help. I am weak...no LAME in that area. I want to break it up week by week so I don't get bored with it. What works best for you all? I have an hour at lunch with about 45 minutes out of to work with. This week I did the stationary bike for 30 minutes / abs 15 minutes.

Hibiscus09
03-06-2003, 09:39 PM
Mac -- I'm not sure I've seen a pic of you before -- you're looking pretty darn good sweetie! Great chest! :)

Charger
03-07-2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Phatman1179
Where is your pic Charger? (just bustin yur chops a little)

Ok, here goes nothin. I am NOT at 14.9 bf%. Looking at these pics made me thnk that, got to get with the diet. By the way, I gained a pound in these pics, I am at 213 here.

Charger
03-07-2003, 05:32 PM
The last one looks like I got a tan, ya right, here is the white me.

Charger
03-07-2003, 05:35 PM
This is my trademark name sake shot, just to prove it's me.

Hibiscus09
03-07-2003, 05:59 PM
Wow, you look pretty great! :) Lots of mass! Where's that good looking face? ;)

TwoWalks
03-07-2003, 06:04 PM
Mac and Charger, some great looking pics with lots of good mass: brings a certain amount of envy to this fat/skinny mass old guy :)

tracyb555
03-07-2003, 06:06 PM
Mac & Charger - Woo Hoo! You guys are both looking really good!

Anomeley
03-07-2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Charger
Ok, here goes nothin. I am NOT at 14.9 bf%. Looking at these pics made me thnk that, got to get with the diet. By the way, I gained a pound in these pics, I am at 213 here.


Looking BIG Charger, how did your week go?

IPR
03-07-2003, 09:06 PM
Charger....looking big :)

btw, you don't look like you're carrying that much fat, so 15% may not be far off, although I like the way the pics didn't expend down as far as the stomach area ;)

I think you can get really cut from this starting point, go for it big guy. :D

Phatman1179
03-08-2003, 07:02 AM
Yep, Your gonna wear that 10% VERY well. Big chest and Shoulders. Only bad thing is the diet won't take that Tat Off :)

I'm a Viking Fan so I have no room to talk :)

Are you guys doing MAX_OT or GVT?

TrishB
03-08-2003, 07:20 AM
Charger...wow, you look really good now! You've gained alot of mass since I last saw your pics, but I don't see much increase in fat at all. Can't wait to see the final results!

BTW...Me and Hib would like to see the face next time.
We know you are one goodlookin' BBer, so you might as well show everyone. ;)

(Now who's blushing?)

Charger
03-08-2003, 07:35 AM
Gee Gosh, I'm blushing now. Thanks everyone. Trish, the fats there, i just croped it out:D IPR noticed. I'll add my smile in the June pics along with more of a tan I hope.
Phatman, sorry to hear the bad news, must be tough being a Vikings fan these days:D I am starting Max-ot. I will do GVT next fall when I bulk again, looking forward to that.

TwoWalks
03-08-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Charger
i just croped it out:D

I cropped the fat out of one of my pictures to post once ... ended up not posting it, all that was left were the ears:D

Charger
03-09-2003, 09:57 AM
Walks, don't make me laugh that hard first thing in the morning, too funny!

kendo
03-09-2003, 11:03 AM
Your b/f% measurement isn't to far out Charger just stick with them mate. They will be relative anyway as long as you use the same method/tools each time. Lookin good love the tat!

Anomely I think your right about changing the scenery/training hours. I rescheduled my hours around my training partner's lifestyle and he has been avoiding me lately - I found out he has been training with someone else and hadn't the balls to tell me - 2nd time he's done that! so I am scheduling workouts routines to suit myself and it's like a new lease of life! - yeah and its like gettin away from those "things you hate in the gym" that we discussed.

Mac lookin good what I would suggest is replace some carbs with healthy fats ie flax oil you prob already do but make you fat/carb ratio a bit higher in term of fats. I'm taking plenty in each day also an effort to reduce knee pain and I feel a lot better for it - don't go too low fat! I thought I recognised your face from all those gay porn sites ;)

Belle
03-09-2003, 02:17 PM
Nearly spat my coffee all over the screen here...

Hope they were nice ears...LOL!

Macattack
03-09-2003, 04:13 PM
Kendo sending you the link for my gay cam site check your mail hotdog:)

Damn charger you have gotten way bigger in this last year much more mass then last year back is HUGE dude....

Trish can come and visit any time she likes, ALONE:)

LMAO twowalks always make me laugh:)

Hang in there anomeley and charger i have been sick as hell all week so frustrating to get like this keep asking what i did wrong what could i have taken to avoid this but virus's are cruel little critters just takes that one to git in and reak havoc UGH....

Charger
03-09-2003, 04:23 PM
Thanks Mac, hope you get better soon.
Kendo, thanks also, if you seen the abs you'd know what I am saying, all the mass gains were at the expense of my abs.

Anomeley, I agree 100% on changing times. I changes gyms a couple years ago and make great gains, helped a bunch. Then a year ago came back to first gym, my head really swelled with all he completments. What ever works, but I think you are right, things get old if done the same way, at the same time, at the same gym. Change is good.

Now for the part I have put off, my first week has not gone so well.
Even though I can say I have cleaned up my diet more, I had to work some OT and packed to much food. As of yesterday I had gained a pound, oops! Maybe I should try to bulk, maybe I would lose:D
I am not going to bother doing bf% this week, no reason to , I know it's not any better. I have let myself down and others as well. I will do better next week.

Macattack
03-10-2003, 08:36 AM
Takes awhile for the body to adjust to a new diet it might be thinking it is going into a famine and holding onto the fat, just a thought Charger hang in there Bro.......

TwoWalks
03-10-2003, 10:10 AM
At the end of one week things may not have gone as planned for the week, but Bro you sure did not let any one down. Besides, the weight gain may just be water retention:D

Hibiscus09
03-10-2003, 10:22 AM
Tell me about it. :)

phikappa
03-10-2003, 11:43 AM
Well, I guess we know what Hib's week is going to be like :) Let your husband know that we're all thinking of him :D

Charger, don't get down. It ususally takes me about two weeks to notice a diff. For some reason there's something magical about two weeks. Before then, everything is a struggle. After that, I can drop weight just by sneezing. Keep it up!

Hibiscus09
03-10-2003, 12:49 PM
Actually, Phikappa -- it's not that time for me. LOL It's just so traumatic I can't forget the bloating throughout the month. I'll start letting you guys know when (although I think I already whine about it plenty on this site) so you can pray for my sweetie.

Charger
03-14-2003, 07:06 PM
Today I weighed in at 209, 3lbs lost. What made that even better was I was able to add weight to all my lifts today. I even had someone at work ask me if i had lost, I am thinking ya, but not much, what the?? anyway, I feel like I am on my way, had a really!!!!!!! big cheat meal tonight with kids, it will set me back but oh well. Kids wanted GodFathers pizza

Anomeley, how are you doing?

Anomeley
03-14-2003, 07:33 PM
Good job bro! I weighed for the first time today since the 28th, I weighed 219 (started at 225). My lifts have been good, not losing any strength but not really gaining either. The cardio and extended morning workouts are doing their job. I feel good. I usually do not lift on weekends especially since its time to fish again but we have a special safety meeting scheduled tomorrow morning at 0900 so I am going to do some deadlifts afterwards and maybe take a sauna to get rid of some water and soreness before I come back home.

IPR
03-15-2003, 03:39 AM
Sounds like its going well for both you guys. Keep us posted.

Just remember we're watching, just waiting for the moment you get out of line and we can give the needed slap :D

tracyb555
03-15-2003, 06:44 AM
Anomely & Charger - sounds like you are both doing well, keep up the good work. Charger, hope you enjoyed that pizza :)

TrishB
03-15-2003, 08:52 AM
You boys are both doing fine.
Charger, glad you got yourself back into the groove with the diet.....well except for the pizza.
And blaming the kids is a very sad excuse. :D

edster951
03-15-2003, 01:18 PM
Charger don't worry about the pizza.

I always have one thing in the back of my mind....

"My family and my health are more important to me", so eating pizza with the kids is OK by me.

My boss commented to me that I only work 8-5. I just blerted...

"My family and my health are more important to me than any job".

His boss said, so it should be, which surprised both of us.

Nobody EVER feel guilty for putting family first.

Thats the reason why I train at 6am. They're all still asleep and don't even know I've gone. Lisa my wife knows as my body is changing for the better.:)

Charger
03-15-2003, 06:49 PM
Even though Trish is right, I could have done better, I enjoyed myself:D I am a weekend dad so kids kinda get there way some on Fri. night anyway.

Did cadio today and joined kids in pool so may have worked off extra calls, feel good about it now.

I am feeling much better anyway about my start, I am not out to set the world on fire, slow and steady.

TwoWalks
03-15-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Charger
I am a weekend dad so kids kinda get there way some on Fri. night anyway.




Charger and Anomely, you are both doing great, have enjoyed following along as you post.

Charger, the few pizza's you have witht the kids won't make any real difference when its all said and done. The fact you do things with the kids on weekends says a whole lot about you as a man. Just think how many people have kids and never do anything with them, you are to be commended. Enjoy the pizza and the kids ... just order the vegitarian small:D

Hibiscus09
03-16-2003, 05:32 PM
You guys are doing great!

I celebrated my son's 13th birthday this weekend with Chicken Quesadillas & strawberry layer cake! Yummy! It was all his fault! :D

Charger
03-16-2003, 08:11 PM
This is going perfect, just did bf analysis and here are results.

Lean weight, 180.9
Fat weight, 29.05
bf% 13.8


I have lost appox. 2lbs fat while just barely increasing lean mass. BF has gone down 1%, perfect!! I want to hold on to the mass as much as I want to lose the fat.
I'll try and post again next Sun.

TrishB
03-17-2003, 05:50 PM
You are doing it just like you wanted to. Great work!

And you are allowed to cheat once in awhile, especially when the kids twist your arm. ;)

Brother Phil
03-17-2003, 07:54 PM
Good job Charger! Just wondering what your diet consists of (besides pizza!), as I'll be starting cutting in a couple of weeks. (That question's for Anomeley also)

tracyb555
03-17-2003, 07:58 PM
Way to go Charger! Guess the pizza didn't hurt you too much & kept the kids happy!

Charger
03-18-2003, 04:22 AM
Thanks for the replies Phil and Ladies,
Can't beleive I am on here this early, as for what it eat?

I am trying to stick with lean meats, salads, eggs, apples, yogart,lots of tuna. I like tuna but it's already getting old.
Todays meals
cereal pre workout
Post W/o Shake
3 eggs(whites only)/granola bar
Chicken lettuce salad/apple
yogart
Pork Chop/salad
I'll munch on peanuts if I get hungry in the PM:

IPR
03-18-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Charger

cereal pre workout
Post W/o Shake
3 eggs(whites only)/granola bar
Chicken lettuce salad/apple
yogart
Pork Chop/salad
I'll munch on peanuts if I get hungry in the PM:

LOL......no wonder to hit the pizza hard at the weekend :)

Glad to hear things are going well.

Anomeley
03-18-2003, 07:43 PM
Sounding good Charger. You sound pumped. I find myself doing very, very well with our goals BUT fencing with the same demon that I always do. What one is that you ask? The strength demon. He perched on the bench next to me this morning and laughed his ass off all morning.

I must say I was pleased (and irked) at your strength gains posted the other day. I was holding my own pretty well till this morning when I had a VERY lame chest day. Nearly got pegged with some heavy weight. I managed it but OMG what a struggle. Then I completely passed on the incline except for two pitiful sets of DB presses. I did 3 lifts in all rather than 5. Cardio and abs went well at lunch...I don't want to turn into stick man though, yes I do, no I don't, yes I do, no I don't.....get the picture? This is what gets me every single time. I think I am losing too much weight too quick and with it some hard earned muscle. I never need a spotter with weight like I lifted today, never. I wonder if the name "Bench Weenie" is available? Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Guys were looking at me like WTF? I lamely said my right shoulder hurt, which it did but hey, that's nothing new.

Big sigh....bi's and tri's tomorrow. I wonder if 1/2 pound db's are available somewhere? Hmmmm. But seriously...I will put up my diet and overview of what I am doing tomorrow from the office. Someone tear it apart and fix me. The lower abs have a much better outline than two and a half weeks ago (thats a plus) but still have a long way to go. I'll get there, just feeling like Pee Wee Herman at the moment.

Signed,

"Bench Weenie of the Ozarks" (and only sickly oxen envy me today)

Charger
03-18-2003, 08:01 PM
I've been where your at and it sucks. This year I am going at it slower and I have help also. I stumbled on to a GREAT supp I am going to start another thread on that I believe has helped a bunch!!! I started taking HMB and Creatine and doubled my usual dosage on the creatine.
Today I really kicked butt, this stuff really works, if you didn't catch my earlier thread on HMB I'll try to bump it back up so you can read the study on HMB. I am impressed, got to run, will post more later. It takes a couple weeks to kick in but when it does, wow!

TwoWalks
03-18-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Charger
GodFathers pizza

Charger great job, it is always such a emotional boost to see the goals we set coming to life. Now my own personal opinion:

I think the diet has caused the fat loss
The pizza aided in muscle retention:D

Anomeley
03-18-2003, 08:50 PM
Wellll..........hmmmmmmm........see my wall of shame.....but see wall of shame 2 that follows......it did not help....AND YES, IT SUCKS!!!! Sigh....

Anomeley
03-18-2003, 08:52 PM
Part 2

Hibiscus09
03-18-2003, 08:54 PM
That's great, Anomely!!! :D Don't be so down on yourself -- we all have those days at the gym. You'll be strong again -- :). Sometimes it takes the body a little bit to adjust to a new diet.

Anomeley
03-18-2003, 08:54 PM
65 second rule on posting.......just like my day...sucks! Here we go ......Part 2

tracyb555
03-18-2003, 10:30 PM
Anomely, sorry you are having a bad day :( Hope tomorrow turns out to be a better one for you :)

Belle
03-19-2003, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Anomeley
65 second rule on posting.......just like my day...sucks! Here we go ......Part 2

It's just one day.

Charger
03-19-2003, 04:15 AM
Now when I saw that I thought you were going to show the Cornhuskers wall:D
Anomeley, I couldn't make out from the photo's what you were taking. Did you have HMB in the list? This stuffs for real in my book.

As for feeling like you are the shrinking man, the ladies can help here but big is one thing, more of the manly thing, but big and cut is worth it even with slight lose of size. Last year I got close to where i want to be, I had to fight that voioce in my head also.
Think of it this way, give it a go, get your bf% down as low as you set a goal for, then if you don't like the change, enjoy the bulk! It won't take long to put it all back on.

Last of all, slow down the weight lose, have some cheat meals, you will lose less muscle. My guess is you are just as hard core with diet as your lifting, that can mean to much of a reduction in cals.

Here is the link to the study done by Iowa State University
http://www.iastate.edu/~nscentral/releases/2003/feb/sharp.shtml

edster951
03-19-2003, 12:44 PM
http://www.hmb-mti.com/052.cfm

try this link..

it say with creatine and HMB

1+1 doesn't=2

1+1=3 when on both creatine and HMB.

enjoy reading.

Charger
03-19-2003, 07:49 PM
Edster, thanks man, good reading. I have to be honest, I had all but thought I had been taken to the cleaners with a supp costing 40 bucks a month and no results, then wham, I made some good gains at the same time I lost weight, wow.

Hibiscus09
03-19-2003, 07:59 PM
I enjoyed the link also Edster. :) I was wondering if HMB was something women could take & the article answered that question.

originally posted by Charger
As for feeling like you are the shrinking man, the ladies can help here but big is one thing, more of the manly thing, but big and cut is worth it even with slight lose of size. Last year I got close to where i want to be, I had to fight that voioce in my head also.

Here, here for the big AND cut thing. ;)

Just so you guys don't think it's only a guy thing -- I used to work out with a group of guys & had the same mentality. I had to do 815lbs on the leg press and 215lb squats or I sucked. LOL It's amazing how when you back off in strength due to a cutting diet (or thunder thighs), it effects you psychologically. I always wanted to be able to lift strong no matter what. Maybe I was a guy in another life. :D I kind of slowed down when I started thinking my thighs looked like a guys. LOL

Belle
03-19-2003, 08:09 PM
Lots of cardio will reduce muscle in the thighs if that's what you want. Guess you just have to keep working at it. ;)

Belle
03-19-2003, 08:12 PM
Cept it will prolly reduce it verywhere else also as anything in life, you can't spot reduce---but guess if you just didn't do leg workouts though and lot's of cardio, you'd eventually reduce fast twitch muscle and develop lot's of slow twitch muscle and leaner thighs like marathon runners.

Trouble is, take any amount of time off and it will be thunder thighs again in no time. You can't win!

edster951
03-19-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Belle
Cept it will prolly reduce it verywhere else also as anything in life, you can't spot reduce---but guess if you just didn't do leg workouts though and lot's of cardio, you'd eventually reduce fast twitch muscle and develop lot's of slow twitch muscle and leaner thighs like marathon runners But after doing 10x10 squats I lost all endurance in the legs and now struggle to run 8kms. It went very quickly. November 3rd Marathon, Jan 3rd, struggle. And in the time in between, I did GVT on the legs.

I guess I want lean mass, so running huge distances is now out. I did it, just to prove I could. Now bulk, cut etc. Just need to get rid of this damn spare tyre!!! :mad:

edster951
03-19-2003, 11:07 PM
BTW Charger, did 10x10 squats at 176lbs just for the hell of it today.

Had to sit down at the end or fall down. very light headed, stinking headache, soaking wet.
Was great.

Belle
03-20-2003, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by edster951
BTW Charger, did 10x10 squats at 176lbs just for the hell of it today.

Had to sit down at the end or fall down. very light headed, stinking headache, soaking wet.
Was great.

Well I'm hoping my spare tyre vanishes too actually! Well two small spare tyres actually now it's sagged..LOL!

I can jog but I can't run for some reason. My legs really feel it and I seemed to take ages to get to the point where I was comfortable with jogging. I had to do Interval Training to shock my metabolism and break into jogging. I did one minute walking and one minute running alternating for 30 minutes, but I hated it. I think it is because I have not run for such a long time. At school I was one of the best cross country runners though in our year and I also swam well. I did Gymnastics as a 9 yo and had excellent flexibility and did comps in that. These days all I can manage cardio wise is rowing and cycling. Last few weeks when not using my legs I would warm up with the cycle they had at the gym which is turned upside down. You pedal it with your hands anyway as opposed to your feet.

I've just started doing 10 minutes cardio now after each workout. May up it next week to 15 minutes. It does make my joint knne give way I go uphill or have to use pressure to push the pedal on the stationary cycle. I can bend my leg further than 110 degrees now so the rower has been good last week.

IPR
03-20-2003, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by edster951
BTW Charger, did 10x10 squats at 176lbs just for the hell of it today.

Had to sit down at the end or fall down. very light headed, stinking headache, soaking wet.
Was great.

:D Ed's back :D

edster951
03-20-2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by IPR
:D Ed's back :D da da da da daaaaaaa!!!!
Is it a bird..

is it a plane...

nah, just edster.

With buying the new bike, riding to the gym, working out, biking home (5kms each way, 15mins), I'm pretty near stuffed. Haven't driven a car for a whole week. Bit hard on the legs after yesterdays workout.

Hopefully with the reduction in calories, and biking everywhere, my spare tyre might start moving. The other night I was up every hour or two pissing. I thought those little fat cells had decided to dump the water they've been holding to stay alive, but my weight at the gym remained the same :(

Hibiscus09
03-20-2003, 12:44 PM
originally posted by Edster951

The other night I was up every hour or two pissing.

This happens with me and I always just assume it's the higher levels of protein. Except, I don't do what you did -- I tinkle. LOL


All that biking is bound to help!!! :D

Brother Phil
03-20-2003, 01:33 PM
Charger,
I was interested to read the success you are having with the HMB and creatine. I use creatine and I tried HMB, but I just bought one bottle to see how it worked. The bottle only lasted about 2 weeks so now I'm thinking it never had a chance to get into my system enough for me to see the benefits. I'll have to give it another try for a longer duration. BTW the melatonin has really helped with the restless nights. Thanx for the tip.

Charger
03-20-2003, 04:18 PM
Edster, AKA Squatstillhedrops, I know you love the pain:D

Phil, glad to hear the Meletonin helped, as for HMB, I'd sure give it another go, I am just starting my third week or so and have now noticed the gains. Now I have to decide whether to stay on it or just go back to liver tabs. HMB is a little pricey for me, but it works so it's worth it I guess. Time to order more.
Which brand name did you get? Did you buy each seperate(creatine-HMB) or go with the mixed product?

Anomeley
03-20-2003, 06:50 PM
Charger, thx for the links (and the swipe at Big Red lol). Yeah, I have used it twice (HMB) in November & December. I have to say, I was feeling huge and strong New Years Eve when we did some heavy lifts for a year end bench mark but that was at the end of 8 weeks of several PH's stacked also. January & February were basically protein drinks, creatine, glutamine and multi-vitamins with a clean diet (high in protein and moderate carbs). Maybe it's worth another look by itself (HMB) with the creatine I take now. If it produces I will owe you one. At least I will be able to tell the difference since I am not using anything else so to speak. I was going to put up some details yesterday or the day before but it seems someone who is so self absorbed in himself lately forgot a 10 year anniversary (19th) and her birthday today......oops. I do not recommend that stunt to anyone. I knew it was coming, even remembered the dates last month when I was thinking about them but I just really blew it. Since they go hand in hand I recouped a little when the 19th arrived and I realized what today was too and played it off to doing something this weekend for both since they fell in the middle of the week. Can anyone say LAME? No card in hand, no flowers, no gift.......ouch.

Charger
03-20-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Anomeley
Can anyone say LAME? No card in hand, no flowers, no gift.......ouch.

No lovin too I'm betting:D

Hibiscus09
03-20-2003, 07:31 PM
originally posted by Anomely
I was going to put up some details yesterday or the day before but it seems someone who is so self absorbed in himself lately forgot a 10 year anniversary (19th) and her birthday today......oops.

Damn! I think I'll even cut you off for that! LOL

Belle
03-20-2003, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by edster951

Hopefully with the reduction in calories, and biking everywhere, my spare tyre might start moving. The other night I was up every hour or two pissing. I thought those little fat cells had decided to dump the water they've been holding to stay alive, but my weight at the gym remained the same :(

So bloody frustrating when that happens huh! Sounds like you may have been a little low on sodium? The only reason I could think you'd be up peeing all night anyway. If you have been cycling in the sort of weather we have had here Edster, you lose a hell of a lot in sweat and stuff.

Brother Phil
03-21-2003, 08:27 AM
Which brand name did you get? Did you buy each seperate(creatine-HMB) or go with the mixed product?

It was Sci-Fit HMB, which I chose because it was the cheapest one I could find. I was taking it experimentally, so I was just looking for any results. As I remember, the dosage was 6-10 tabs a day, and it was a 60 tab. bottle, and I was taking 6, so I guess I only took them for 10 days. I should really have known better bacause I usually try anything new for at least 3 weeks in order to give the supplement a resonable evaluation. I think I was looking for any sign of effect, and I didn't notice anything, and as you stated, it's a little pricey, so I didn't try it again. I'm not sure now if I was on or off my creatine cycle at the time, but I was taking the HMB seperately. I'm loading creatine right now, and love the additional workout energy I get, as well as the pump it gives the muscle, even if it is just water, it looks good, and kinda boosts your "mental" energy.

Charger
03-23-2003, 01:54 PM
Not posting stats this week, blew it again. I did good all week but Fri. night came and what a pig I have been. We went away for the weekend and diet went out the window. Post again next SUN. I hope, I really got to get my sh!@ together. Nice day here today and the shorts a fittin a bit tight.

Hibiscus09
03-23-2003, 03:12 PM
Post a picture please! -- LOL, just teasing! ;)

TrishB
03-23-2003, 07:42 PM
Charger...give yourself one day week of cheating. Or two if you are going away.
Hib and I have been doing that forever, and we are still losing tons of body fat. (well, maybe not tons....but quite abit )
It makes doing the diet thing alot easier during the week.

Don't worry honey...you'll get to where you want to be. :)

Charger
03-23-2003, 07:45 PM
Hib, its not a pretty picture, believe me. I really need to start getting it together. Since my last post we were invited to a BBQ, need I say more:D Burgers and Beers!

tracyb555
03-23-2003, 07:50 PM
Hang in there Charger! Blowing 1 or 2 days doesn't have to mean total disaster for your overall program. Just get back on track as soon as possible.

Back when I was in weight watchers, they had an analogy that I found pretty helpful. Many people will be diligent for a long time, make one mistake, then get so discouraged that they continue sliding downhill. To them, our leader used to say "If you were washing dishes, and broke one of your good plates, you wouldn't take the rest of your plates and start smashing them, would you?" So acknowledge the broken plate & move on!

Charger
03-23-2003, 07:51 PM
Thanks Trish:D

Charger
03-23-2003, 08:11 PM
Tracy, that makes sense, I am not giving in by any means but I am a pretty intense person, well actually pretty mello except when it comes to training. I expect the best and the most from myself, this is what makes me mad at me. Thank you for reminding me we are all human, and I would also like to thank all you ladies for the support you have given me:D

TwoWalks
03-23-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Charger
Tracy, that makes sense, I am not giving in by any means but I am a pretty intense person, well actually pretty mello except when it comes to training.

Charger look at this as a win/win situation: If the diet ends up taking awhile to get started, you will know if MAX really works as a mass builder:D

Got to stay positive no matter what Friday night hold for us:)

Anomeley
04-06-2003, 06:11 PM
Charger, how are things by now?? We have been out on a two week vacation (got back Friday)..gag..back to work. I made sure I could train daily through out both weeks although the diet was a little heavy on occasion. Debs family are a bunch of well fed Cornhuskers lol. The first week in Lincoln was not bad, I am glad we went to a warmer climate this week...the weather looks like it leaves a bit to be desired up there now! I am going to have Deb take a pic or two tomorrow or Tuesday and put up for a one month interval. I am very pleased with my progress, my strength is back up where it needs to be, I am definately more cut and looking harder. I have been doing 2 a days (5 days a week) since the 1st of March as you know (lifting in the morning, cardio at noon) and training in heavy sweats. Since I did not lift Friday (travel day back) I went over to the gym yesterday for some cardio and forgot to pack my sweats so I had to wear a tank I keep in my locker and some shorts. I got some great compliments that made me feel pretty good. So good I got home and was telling Deb about it while I was messing around with our labs when I stuck a coke can between my pecs and gripped it (for one of them to grab) Debbie just looked at me, did this :rolleyes: and walked off. Hehehehe. Women. I made up for the anniversary / birthday fiasco on vacation though :)

Charger
04-06-2003, 06:34 PM
Nice trick with the coke can, can't say I've tried that one. Sounds like things are good with you, cool! I am suprised you managed to train while on vacation, and cut! Good job!
I am holding my own, I have cleaned up the diet but need to cut back on cals more. I am still waiting for that little bell to go off and remind me summers coming and to get more serious about this. I am making good gains in the gym right now also, I hate to cut cals too low and hurt my gains. Anyway, I am waiting for better results before doing another bf% check. My pant are fitting better but my weight is stuck. Since my weights are going up in the gym, thats cool.
Get the pics up, I want to see the coke can thing.

Gollum
04-06-2003, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by Anomeley
So good I got home and was telling Deb about it while I was messing around with our labs when I stuck a coke can between my pecs and gripped it (for one of them to grab) Debbie just looked at me, did this :rolleyes: and walked off. Women.

That's pretty cool.When I was with my ex(we were together for 6 years) I used to like to show her tricks like that and feats of strength.I always got the :rolleyes: thing,too!One of my favorites was when I was so proud that my lats had gotten big enough that I couldnt put my arms down.Her response was:

"That's nice,honey.Keep it up,pretty soon you won't be able to move at all."

Bang...zoom!

Charger,

I hear what you're saying about the calories vs gains in the gym.I am having the same problem.I cleaned up my diet as well and lost some bodyfat.Now I am at a point where I need to reduce the calories even further,but I am afraid I will lose too much muscle/strength.I'll get there though.It's just tough.


Great work,guys!

Anomeley
04-08-2003, 06:29 PM
Isn't that just it guys? Cut the cals and the strength suffers, it has always killed me before but not this time. I honestly feel like my BF is dropping and I am still gaining some muscle, not a lot but some. My strength is a good barometer, the mirror tells me the rest. I have had a crazy two days back at work. CRAZY. I will put some pics up Saturday (complete with the coke can and lab trick). Charger, the only good thing about my Y memebership is it travels with me. I trained in Lincoln with one of Debs brothers (well, he came twice) the first week and then last week we stayed in two places with fitness centers. They were a little lame weight wise but they kept me from feeling like I was missing out.

Yeah, overall I am doing really good. I am really pleased. I can see a real difference from the early March pic already. That keeps me motivated. That and mornings like I had today on chest. It was the best chest workout I have had since December. I had a crazy pump to go with the crazy day. This freaking weather though! Spit snow all day. I thought we were through with that crap.

Charger
04-08-2003, 06:38 PM
Ya, the snow is melting from the weekend and the green grass underneath is starting to show,CRAZY!
Glad to hear you are doing well, I am stuck. I have got to get with it. It's really hard this year for some reason. My hat goes off to you for keeping up with the training. By the way, I am also a Y member, had no idea you could use that in any Y.

mainer001
04-09-2003, 07:02 AM
We all go through these periods. I am lucky that I am just starting and the enthusiasm is very high. In 6-8 months when I feel like slacking off I am glad that I will have a group like this to kick me in the ass and get me going again.

Training and diet should be an everyday thing BUT what good is all of this training if you cannot indulge once in a while and enjoy life, food, and the pursuit of happiness. Take that however you like :D. Keep grinding away and the cheat days will not matter.

kendo
04-09-2003, 03:44 PM
Dont worry about having a pig out weekend so early on Charger. I had one last weekend as well and sort of extended into Sunday :rolleyes: But it should actually help keep that metab going during the week. I hope you ain't dropping cals too much yet - just cleaning up the diet at the start and gradually coming down is the way to go.

Roll on the weekend..

Charger
04-09-2003, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by kendo
I hope you ain't dropping cals too much yet - just cleaning up the diet at the start and gradually coming down is the way to go.

Roll on the weekend..

Boy do I roll:D Thanks Kendo, good to hear from you. No problem cutting too much, I am just breaking even, I am stuck between 210 and 212. My lifts are going up though, this helps. My pants are not quit as tight around the waist but I can't see any difference. The warmer it gets, the easier it gets to cut back. I hate wearing shorts without a shirt and a roll.

Hibiscus09
04-09-2003, 09:28 PM
Noone would notice anyway (at least not me) with that good looking smile. ;)