Bodybuilding.com Forums
Old 12-24-2002, 01:11 PM   #1
SHOT
Banned
 
SHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Failure doesn't exist In my forum
Posts: 9,794
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 40
Rep Power: 0
SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
Visit SHOT's BodySpace
Raver's T-3 article

Raver's T-3 article

This is one of my favorite articles. Here is what I have of it. I thought it would be a nice addition

Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as **** in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3
SHOT is offline  
Old 12-25-2002, 10:07 AM   #2
SHOT
Banned
 
SHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Failure doesn't exist In my forum
Posts: 9,794
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 40
Rep Power: 0
SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
Visit SHOT's BodySpace
bump
SHOT is offline  
Old 12-25-2002, 10:35 AM   #3
SHOT
Banned
 
SHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Failure doesn't exist In my forum
Posts: 9,794
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 40
Rep Power: 0
SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)SHOT has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
Visit SHOT's BodySpace
bump it
SHOT is offline  
Old 01-20-2003, 07:17 AM   #4
windows250279
Member
 
windows250279's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 192
Rep Power: 8
windows250279 is on a distinguished road. (+10)
good read shot.

Are there any worries of having a rebound effect after you have come off the T3.
windows250279 is offline  
Old 01-26-2003, 04:26 AM   #5
borgia
Registered User
 
borgia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Age: 43
Posts: 107
Rep Power: 8
borgia is on a distinguished road. (+10)
bump, because this is interesting and very usefull info.
borgia is offline  
Old 02-14-2003, 07:38 PM   #6
gofer
Member
 
gofer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tibet
Posts: 805
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 8
gofer is on a distinguished road. (+10)
Visit gofer's BodySpace
I'm planning to use t3 during my next cycle, not noly to keep the fat and bloat down but to also uincrease my appetite.
__________________
MISTAKES: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Author Unknown
-------------
gofer is a fictional character roleplaying, the player neither use's nor condones the use of steroids.
gofer is offline  
Old 02-23-2003, 02:16 PM   #7
bighig
Member
 
bighig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Chicago
Age: 37
Posts: 90
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 8
bighig is on a distinguished road. (+10)
Visit bighig's BodySpace
Unhappy

i use 37.5 mcg year round, is this dangerous?
__________________
I can do all things through him that gives me strength.

Phil 4:13
bighig is offline  
Old 03-21-2003, 02:19 AM   #8
hitmeoff
Member
 
hitmeoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: CA
Age: 32
Posts: 359
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 8
hitmeoff is on a distinguished road. (+10)
Visit hitmeoff's BodySpace
I posted this question over at another board in response to this article, no one gave me any answers so I'll post it here:

Its a very interesting post and Im a HUGE fan of T3. Ive used it before and absolutel loved it.

One thing I am curious about is this: Raver suggests using T3 to rid yourself of fat after a cycle. T3 is catabolic, we know this. So how does it make sense to use T3 post cycle, when your body is already at its most catabolic state?

Also how could T3 be used in a cycle if you are using Slin and GH as well? Since alot of the anabolic action of the Slin/GH combo comes from IGF-1 production, and T3 suppresses IGF-1? Or is raver stating that 25-50mcg of T3 wont effect IGF-1 much?
__________________
"I beat Russians and Iranians way tougher than Nikoli Volkoff and The Iron freakin Shiek!" ~ Your Olympic Hero, Kurt Angle
hitmeoff is offline  
Old 04-16-2003, 08:12 AM   #9
bigjay00
Registered User
 
bigjay00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Age: 27
Posts: 3,192
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 516
bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)bigjay00 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
Visit bigjay00's BodySpace
bump
__________________
Anabolic-evolution.com owner
bigjay00 is offline  
Old 05-20-2003, 08:35 PM   #10
highpower1111
Registered User
 
highpower1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Age: 24
Posts: 2,411
Rep Power: 115
highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)highpower1111 has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
37.5 mcg year round? not in cycles?
highpower1111 is offline  
Old 12-13-2003, 11:27 AM   #11
Blindfaith
Registered User
 
Blindfaith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 30
Posts: 2,195
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 150
Rep Power: 1037
Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
Visit Blindfaith's BodySpace
250mcg of t3/day...wow thats insanity! Sounds intriguing though...so if a person was 250lbs (someone like me) were to take 250mcg/day...for how many weeks would i be on it for? And would there be a huge rebound effect after the cycle is over? What would a typical post cycle Raver T3 cycle look like for a 250lbs guy?
__________________
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.

The body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive.

Practice doesnt make perfect....perfect practice makes perfect
Blindfaith is offline  
Old 12-13-2003, 11:28 AM   #12
Blindfaith
Registered User
 
Blindfaith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 30
Posts: 2,195
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 150
Rep Power: 1037
Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)Blindfaith has a reputation beyond repute. Best rank possible! (+100000)
Visit Blindfaith's BodySpace
250mcg of t3/day...wow thats insanity! Sounds intriguing though...so if a person was 250lbs (someone like me) were to take 250mcg/day...for how many weeks would i be on it for? And would there be a huge rebound effect after the cycle is over? What would a typical post cycle Raver T3 cycle look like for a 250lbs guy?
__________________
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.

The body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive.

Practice doesnt make perfect....perfect practice makes perfect
Blindfaith is offline  
Old 01-25-2004, 05:03 PM   #13
Skillz
Banned
 
Skillz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NY
Age: 22
Posts: 3,087
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 35
Rep Power: 0
Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)Skillz is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)
Visit Skillz's BodySpace
Send a message via AIM to Skillz Send a message via Yahoo to Skillz
Question

So your saying you take this stack when your using a 1-test? Hows M1T sound?

So if I take M1T and the stack given above, i will gain all lean mass and burn fat and have no bloat at all? is this true? Would I take the stack PCT?
Can this be taken without any 1-test? Say I just want to workout naturaly but want to burn fat, can I take this?
Skillz is offline  
Old 02-03-2004, 02:26 PM   #14
agaudin
Registered User
 
agaudin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Age: 34
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 0
agaudin is on a distinguished road. (+10)
Exclamation

I'm new to this board. Who is this Raver and and or Shot, and how do you know if this info is reliable. A thyroid is a terrible thing to waste. If he is credible, more power to him. I would be interested in pm him. For the record I'm not a kid. I'm 28 have been training for 10 years and am interested in this theory of 1mcg per lb. If you are the forementioned person, please pm me. thank you for your time.
agaudin is offline  
Old 03-01-2004, 07:32 PM   #15
Imaplayer99
Member
 
Imaplayer99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 42
Rep Power: 0
Imaplayer99 is on a distinguished road. (+10)
i have seen in many places that you should not go over like 125-150 mcg of T3 per day...... i weigh about 210... would it REALLY be safe to take that much (200-225mcg) per day???? I will stack it with clen so it should not be needed to go up that high in dosage???

BUt, if you think it will work.... then ill try it////... i need to lose about 15lbs of pure fat anyways...

Thanks and great article
TC
Imaplayer99 is offline  
Old 07-13-2004, 08:32 PM   #16
stone5
New Member
 
stone5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1
Rep Power: 0
stone5 is on a distinguished road. (+10)
respect

Thanks for taking the time to write a thorough review, best I've seen. Details help!

Keep Truckin'
stone5 is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Member Login

Sign in for more FREE features and tools!

Username or
Email Address:
Password:
Remember Me


New to Bodybuilding.com?
Sign Up Now It's FREE!




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:10 AM. Archive