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    How much milk can lead to Kidney Stones?

    I was wondering, before I start bulking, how much milk is too much? My main issue is I don't want to develop kidney stones down the line from the calcium. Is four glasses too much per day? (in association with whey).

    Also, another question, What can I do for prevention purposes of kidney stones while taking excess milk?
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    You can drink as much as you want as long as you also drink enough water. I drink about a half gallon a day.
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    I have over a gallon a day for a few years and I've never had one. 4 glasses a day is absolultey nothing. Have a few litres a day. You'll be fine.
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    studies have actually found that dairy products may actually reduce your risk of kidney stones and the theory that milk leads to kidney stones is a myth. Kidney stones are nt caused by calcium found in foods.
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    4 glasses a day is not too much. Just try to keep your calcium intake below 2500mg and you should be fine. 2500mg of calcium is considered the safe upper limit and it's about a half gallon worth of milk.
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    Ive drank a 1 litre a day + for a long time now and had no problems youll be fine with four glasses a day
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    Originally Posted by ozigal View Post
    studies have actually found that dairy products may actually reduce your risk of kidney stones and the theory that milk leads to kidney stones is a myth. Kidney stones are nt caused by calcium found in foods.
    Yes, studies have shown that PROPER calcium intake will reduce your risk of kindey stones. However, excessive calcium intake can increase your risk of getting kidney stones.
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    Thank you all I appreciate the answer! Are there any links as well, that would put some closure around the issue?
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    great question....links would be good, im very curious about this too
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    LOL too much milk gives me gas and other stomach problems. I used to drink milk like crazy but it seems that age brought with it stomach problems.
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    I drink 1/2 to 3/4 of a gallon of skim milk a day. but as soon as i digest my protein shake that i put milk into i get the worst gas ever. It is like satan is climbing out my a-hole. it makes me gag. but milk by itself doesnt give me gas. Milk is awesome!
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    Drink plenty of plain water, that's was my doctor's advice the last time I was bulking as he was concerned that I might be at risk of developing kidney stones due to my high protein intake at the time.

    It's the exessive protein and salt that contributes to it, not calcium.
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    Excessive intake of vitamin D and urinary calcium both can contribute to the risk of developing kidney stones, since 4/5 kindey stones are calcium stones...
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    XX ... I've had kidney stones and I can tell you what little I do know.
    Stay away from foods high in Oxalate. Google it.
    The above is correct about drinking tons of water.
    Also Black Olives dissolve kidney stones. I wish I could give you a reference but test it out and see for yourself. My reference is protected.
    Take 6-10 Black Olives every day.
    Ascorbic Acid is also a Huge Red Flag ... Avoid this in large doses.
    As far as your question about drinking milk ... I would not worry about it if your water consumption is ample. I'm agreeing with the others above.
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    I will back the drink plenty of water statement as well. I had a kidney stone in 2004, two days before my wedding. I earned it from being dehydrated all the time, and I NEVER drank milk. If you keep enough water flowing through your kidney's its very hard for a solid to form since you keep things diluted enough.
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    Originally Posted by Mia Monster View Post
    XX ... I've had kidney stones and I can tell you what little I do know.
    Stay away from foods high in Oxalate. Google it.
    The above is correct about drinking tons of water.
    Also Black Olives dissolve kidney stones. I wish I could give you a reference but test it out and see for yourself. My reference is protected.
    Take 6-10 Black Olives every day.
    Ascorbic Acid is also a Huge Red Flag ... Avoid this in large doses.
    As far as your question about drinking milk ... I would not worry about it if your water consumption is ample. I'm agreeing with the others above.
    Thank you for your advice, I am glad you could share your experience as well, that sounds great!
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    Originally Posted by v4lu3s View Post
    I will back the drink plenty of water statement as well. I had a kidney stone in 2004, two days before my wedding. I earned it from being dehydrated all the time, and I NEVER drank milk. If you keep enough water flowing through your kidney's its very hard for a solid to form since you keep things diluted enough.
    two days before the wedding That's horrible, I hope it ended well though!
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    Originally Posted by xxndnromeoxx View Post
    Thank you all I appreciate the answer! Are there any links as well, that would put some closure around the issue?
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    Originally Posted by X-Mark-X View Post
    Yes, studies have shown that PROPER calcium intake will reduce your risk of kindey stones. However, excessive calcium intake can increase your risk of getting kidney stones.
    actually no, the most recent research has shown that normal calcium intake AND even higher calcium intakes reduce the risk of getting kidney stones. I've posted a few of the links, so happy reading (BTW they're reputable). It's not calcium in dairy that increases risks, its calcium in tablets.
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    Originally Posted by ozigal View Post
    studies have actually found that dairy products may actually reduce your risk of kidney stones and the theory that milk leads to kidney stones is a myth. Kidney stones are nt caused by calcium found in foods.
    Kidney stones form when small crystals mass together. These crystals can be made up of a number of different substances. The most common cause of kidney stones is the presence of too much calcium in the urine. High calcium levels can be caused by a kidney defect; a diet high in a chemical called oxalate (found in poultry, meat, and fish); diseases such as renal tubular acidosis, inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), some types of cancers; and certain thyroid disorders. Kidney stones can also be made of uric acid, which builds up when people become severely dehydrated. High uric acid levels also occur in people with gout. Kidney stones are called struvite stones when they are made up of phosphate, magnesium, and ammonium. These form when the urine is infected with bacteria. Kidney stones also occur in a rare inherited disorder called cytinuria, in which too much of an amino acid called cystine builds up in the urine and forms stones. I had them I know! http://www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/jkl/kidneystones.htm
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    Ok, everybody here who is saying that calcium does not increase the risk of kidney stones seems to agree that excessive vitamin D can. Well, milk happens to contain more vitamin D than it does calcium as far as the % RDA is concerned, just FYI.
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    i drink 4glasses or more of milk a day and have alotta dairy and i have had zilch for problems. my grandpa and dad both had them and they were from dehydrationa nd they only drank one glass of milk a day tops
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    Originally Posted by X-Mark-X View Post
    Ok, everybody here who is saying that calcium does not increase the risk of kidney stones seems to agree that excessive vitamin D can. Well, milk happens to contain more vitamin D than it does calcium as far as the % RDA is concerned, just FYI.
    but if your kidneys are functioning properly and you drink plenty of fluids, the excess vitamin d is filtered out of your body. Kidneys are meant to filter. This is why they say that kidney stones primarily occur in people whose kidneys are malfunctioning or in people who have a genetic predisposition for kidney stones.
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    Originally Posted by ozigal View Post
    but if your kidneys are functioning properly and you drink plenty of fluids, the excess vitamin d is filtered out of your body. Kidneys are meant to filter. This is why they say that kidney stones primarily occur in people whose kidneys are malfunctioning or in people who have a genetic predisposition for kidney stones.
    Yes, i'm not disagreeing with that. And as for Matt's reply, i'm not saying that milk causes kidney stones, i'm simply saying that it can lead to an increased risk of kidney stones if taken in excess. So in other words, you could drink 2 gallons of milk/day and not have kindey stones, or you could not even drink milk and still develop kidney stones. I'm just saying that it can be a factor, and 4 glasses of milk/day is not excess.
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    Originally Posted by X-Mark-X View Post
    Yes, i'm not disagreeing with that. And as for Matt's reply, i'm not saying that milk causes kidney stones, i'm simply saying that it can lead to an increased risk of kidney stones if taken in excess. So in other words, you could drink 2 gallons of milk/day and not have kindey stones, or you could not even drink milk and still develop kidney stones. I'm just saying that it can be a factor, and 4 glasses of milk/day is not excess.
    ok i do see your point
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    What about 1 gallon of milk recommended by Mark Rippetoe for people who wants to gain mass on his routine? This is what I'm looking at. Maybe 3/4 gallon, this mixed with Cytogainer for even more calcium. And I'll be taking 2 mulitivitamins a day? What do you guys think about this? I'm about 137 lbs and 5'10. Also, I'm talking about whole milk? Should I be using non-fat, or 2% milk instead?
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    drink a lot of water and it doesnt matter if you drink 1 gallon of whole milk, 1 gallon of skim milk or one gallon of 2% milk. you have to keep the system flowing or else you get build up when things go dry.
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    no reason to have more than a couple glasses of milk a day really.
    i stick to about two.
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    Originally Posted by Goofxta View Post
    I have over a gallon a day for a few years and I've never had one. 4 glasses a day is absolultey nothing. Have a few litres a day. You'll be fine.
    Aint milk great? I love it. It tastes great, so healthy and full of nutrients. I never broke a bone, and rarely get cavities, from all the calcium I get.
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