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    too high or too low? seems right to me.
    Aye, infractions and I may behave. Ban, and I won't post... at least a while. And dying in my bed, many years from now, would I be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell the mods that they may take my reps, but they'll never take... OUR RANT!
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    Originally Posted by SDFlipStyle View Post
    too high or too low? seems right to me.
    far too high.

    54kg benchpress for a 165kg untrained male. Need I say more?
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    I wouldn't call a 362lbs. BP, and 567lbs. DL elite at my weight, but that's just me. Numbers don't seem that far off though, but of course there's no 'one size fits all' standard.
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    According to that list, I am well on my way to the advanced level of deadlifting for my weight. Sounds about right.
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    Originally Posted by d3v View Post
    far too high.
    Meaning... as in "unattainable"? Those numbers are definitely doable for a dedicated strength trainer, IMO.
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    Originally Posted by aqua-beowulf View Post
    Meaning... as in "unattainable"? Those numbers are definitely doable for a dedicated strength trainer, IMO.
    No I'm on about the untrained column.
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    Originally Posted by d3v View Post
    No I'm on about the untrained column.
    guess you have some work to do...... i know i do
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    Originally Posted by d3v View Post
    No I'm on about the untrained column.
    Just give yourself some time. I'm past the advanced column, and definitely don't consider myself to be advanced. Looking at the list again, I'd say those numbers are low... but like I said already, "standards" don't mean much really... they're about as useful as one rep max calculators. You do what you can do, simple as that.
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    Originally Posted by d3v View Post
    far too high.

    54kg benchpress for a 165kg untrained male. Need I say more?
    what? you're saying you're 370+ lbs and can bench 120lbs?

    are you reading the chart wrong...... you realize it's in pounds not kgs.
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    Originally Posted by d3v View Post
    far too high.

    54kg benchpress for a 165kg untrained male. Need I say more?
    what are you talking about? I don't see any row with the numbers 165 and 54.
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    cool! I've got lots of work to do, but those are good numbers to shoot for, I also the clean and press nubmers!
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    Originally Posted by d3v View Post
    far too high.

    54kg benchpress for a 165kg untrained male. Need I say more?
    Why did you convert the bench press weight to kg, but then turned the 165lb into 165kg?
    Its 54kg bench press for a 75kg untrained male.
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    This is a copy of the WLStandards.pdf that was posted awhile ago. The numbers seem fairly accurate.

    Untrained
    Novice 3-9 months
    Intermediate up to 2 years
    Advanced Multi-year training
    Elite athletes competing in strength sports less than 1% of the weightlifting pop

    Just because you made it into the elite column doesn't mean you're near the top of the elite. Overall, it's probably a bell curve.
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    At 220 which I am at I am Advanced on all and close to elite on a couple (well year or two out )

    I think the numbers are fairly accurate personally.
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    That's pretty interesting. I'm in between Intermediate and Advanced, which makes sense.
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    i think the numbers are right...im about intermediate with all the lifts
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    well it has me mostly in the novice range which is right for my near 4 months in the gym.

    my wife is novice for her weights....except for the squat it says she is advanced....she just started doing squats 2 weeks ago and is doing 135lbs for reps and if the 1rm calc is halfway accurate that means she is able to do 160ish 1rm.

    it doesn't seem to be a perfect set of charts but its good enough. i just find it funny that my wife who has even less experience than I do is classified as "advanced" though i am mortified that she can squat more than her own body weight and I am not even close to being able to...
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    I would say BS too.....way to low. I have a 523 raw bench in the 242's and I am far from elite
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    rediculous chart... why would u even publish it...

    a 275lb guy according to them should only be benching approximately 7lbs more than a 240lb guy
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    Originally Posted by MrSinister View Post
    rediculous chart... why would u even publish it...

    a 275lb guy according to them should only be benching approximately 7lbs more than a 240lb guy
    ^^^ uh huh
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    stupid question

    are those charts based on 1RM?
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    I dont know I think a 600 lb deadlift would place most people as elite (more then advanced) there should be something after elite though.. like Grandmaster. lol
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    Well, for my progress i'd say the chart is pretty accurate. Back when I was untrained at 150lbs my max bench was under 135. Now i've been training for a few years and at 180lbs my max is around 260lbs.
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    See I don't see where they charts say that just because you are at the elite level doesn't mean there isn't more left. By the time you get to an elite level You are ready to start challening on an elite level. Oh like every guy that is a serious strength athlete is performing those lifts well above the elite level under 5 years training RAW.


    Edit after reviewing the play I see that its probably for your avg lifter as opposed to you strength athlete
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    Arguments for what's expected for untrained males can vary I guess.

    I'm thinking they're measuring that by lean weight though, not total weight, would that make more sense?

    Also, untrained probably meaning they do have the strength for the lift, but not the form.
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