Nutrabolics Anabolic Window (Best deal for PWO shake)

**leonidas300** · 12-22-2006, 03:56 PM

Hate to say it but this product looks very good and is priced great.
Only $2 a serving which makes it the cheapest I have seen for a product of this quality.

's In It?
Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 3 Scoops (92g)
Servings Per Container: 24

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories 300
Calories From Fat 2 3
Saturated Fat 0 g
Trans Fat 0 g
Cholesterol 65 mg 22%
Sodium 105 mg 4%
Potassium 170 mg 5%
Total Carbohydrates 43 g 14%
Sugars 3 g
Protein 30 g 60%

Vitamin C 0.36 mg
Calcium 221 mg 20%
Iron 0.10 mg

Anabolic Shock Matrix: 12g (12,000mg)
L-Leucine Ethyl Ester, L-Arginine Ethyl Ester, L-Citrulline Ethyl Ester, L-Norvaline Ethyl Ester, N-acetyl-l-glutamine, L-Glycine, Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid, Micronized Taurine, K-R-ALA

Ingredients:
Multi-stage insulinotropic carbohydrate blend, (modified potato starch, d-glucose, instantized maltodextrin, trehalose), ultra high D.H. anabolic protein matrix (complete spectrum whey protein hydrolosate, cross-flow microfiltrated whey protein isolate, partially microfiltered whey protein concentrate), sucralose, natural & artificial flavors

**ksa-muscle** · 12-22-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by leonidas300

Only $2 a serving which makes it the cheapest I have seen for a product of this quality.

compared to what

**Mr. Aries** · 12-22-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by ksa-muscle

compared to what

anator/myozene/replenish are all products in this category

**ksa-muscle** · 12-22-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

anator/myozene/replenish are all products in this category

http://homepage.mac.com/coulaid/

thanx i found it

**pu12en12g** · 12-22-2006, 04:21 PM

Interesting... maybe Hal can add it to his comparison chart. The K-R-ALA is a nice touch, and the NAG is interesting, but I don't see the need for the 4 difference carb sources really.

If it tastes good it should be a winner with some (personally I'll stick to whey+milk+oats and solid foods postworkout... guess I'm old school

).

**TinyMan** · 12-22-2006, 04:25 PM

On the surface, this actually looks pretty decent; going to need more time to go through and evaluate it vs. the quality of other workout formulas, and compared to doing a custom one...

**Elliptical Envy** · 12-22-2006, 04:28 PM

It looks pretty decent, but I don't like the 12g prop blend. It would be better to have those as separate blends to estimate how much of what supplement you are taking in.

**Mr. Aries** · 12-22-2006, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Interesting... maybe Hal can add it to his comparison chart. The K-R-ALA is a nice touch, and the NAG is interesting, but I don't see the need for the 4 difference carb sources really.

If it tastes good it should be a winner with some (personally I'll stick to whey+milk+oats and solid foods postworkout... guess I'm old school

).

the 4 different carb sources are probably put in for their different digestion rates so they hit your body at differnt times..

and you are not old school, just old

**deserusan** · 12-22-2006, 04:36 PM

I'm not a fan of ethyl esters as of late. They aren't necessary, are a gimmick, and conversion into ethanol. This does not bode well for phosphorylation and despite only affecting it slightly seems counterproductive to someone trying to maximize athletic ability or performance.

**pu12en12g** · 12-22-2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

.....and you are not old school, just old

on a positive note, Rodney still owes me a years worth of NutraBolics protein... if you can convince him to send it (Rasberry flavor) I'll share it wit ya

**Phosphate bond** · 12-22-2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

the 4 different carb sources are probably put in for their different digestion rates so they hit your body at differnt times..

I like that part. I'm not sure I like all the ethyl ester stuff though.

**Mr. Aries** · 12-22-2006, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Phosphate bond

I like that part. I'm not sure I like all the ethyl ester stuff though.

i dont believe i have used anything with EE in it for a long time now.. The usage of EE seems to have died down a lil bit as of late.. I rememebr when it first came to market, everyone had it in their products.

**Dr. Pepper** · 12-22-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

I'm not a fan of ethyl esters as of late. They aren't necessary, are a gimmick, and conversion into ethanol. This does not bode well for phosphorylation and despite only affecting it slightly seems counterproductive to someone trying to maximize athletic ability or performance.

well said,
you started using the thesaurus!

**FS#33** · 12-22-2006, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

I'm not a fan of ethyl esters as of late. They aren't necessary, are a gimmick, and conversion into ethanol. This does not bode well for phosphorylation and despite only affecting it slightly seems counterproductive to someone trying to maximize athletic ability or performance.

doesnt anator use ethyl esters also ?..i dont believe myozene or relentless use them

**deserusan** · 12-22-2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by FS#33

doesnt anator use ethyl esters also ?..i dont believe myozene or relentless use them

Yes it does...and as said before I'm not fan of ethyl esters as of late.

**Mr. Aries** · 12-22-2006, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

Yes it does...and as said before I'm not fan of ethyl esters as of late.

I doubt the little bit of ethyl ester and methyl ester in Anator would be of concern... Overall it's a solid formulation and I'm excited to try my first whey hydro product.

And I like the paper boxes these come with.. they make things easier to stack on the supp shelves at my gym

**FS#33** · 12-22-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

Yes it does...and as said before I'm not fan of ethyl esters as of late.

would myozene be a better option than anator because it doesnt contain esters ?

**Mr. Aries** · 12-22-2006, 04:56 PM

oooOoOOOOOO.... loaded question

**deserusan** · 12-22-2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by FS#33

would myozene be a better option than anator because it doesnt contain esters ?

I wouldn't make my choice based on the amount of esters in Anator but Myozene is a viable option. I just don't like product sthat have everything listed as an ethyl ester because it would appear to me there is more than their should be and might actually be counterproductive.

Also, when something has an ester attached there is less of the active ingredient it is supposed to shuttle per gram. The high ester content of this would appear to make the prop blend contain significantly less actives then it implies.

**FS#33** · 12-22-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

I wouldn't make my choice based on the amount of esters in Anator but Myozene is a viable option. I just don't like product sthat have everything listed as an ethyl ester because it would appear to me there is more than their should be and might actually be counterproductive.

gotcha thanks deserusan

**Dr. Pepper** · 12-22-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

I wouldn't make my choice based on the amount of esters in Anator but Myozene is a viable option. I just don't like product sthat have everything listed as an ethyl ester because it would appear to me there is more than their should be and might actually be counterproductive.

Also, when something has an ester attached there is less of the active ingredient it is supposed to shuttle per gram. The high ester content of this would appear to make the prop blend contain significantly less actives then it implies.

the molecular weight of esters isn't that high, nice try

edit: i cant believe how hard you try to look smarter

**TinyMan** · 12-22-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

I'm not a fan of ethyl esters as of late. They aren't necessary, are a gimmick, and conversion into ethanol. This does not bode well for phosphorylation and despite only affecting it slightly seems counterproductive to someone trying to maximize athletic ability or performance.

I think the term for it is saponification? I'm not sure anymore; Bane tossed the term at me a good while back. I'm not sure how much ethanol you will see being produced from the amino ethyl-esters though. I believe in something like CEE, wasn't it something like 1.2g per 100g of CEE (I'm really pulling numbers out of my ass now; I read that well over a year ago now)?

**deserusan** · 12-22-2006, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Pepper

the molecular weight of esters isn't that high, nice try

edit: i cant believe how hard you try to look smarter

Break it down then...what is the molecular weight of the ester used in any of the compounds listed above.

**Dr. Pepper** · 12-22-2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

Break it down then...what is the molecular weight of the ester used in any of the compounds listed above.

depends on the types of esters it uses, however its not a big issue

**deserusan** · 12-22-2006, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by TinyMan

I think the term for it is saponification? I'm not sure anymore; Bane tossed the term at me a good while back. I'm not sure how much ethanol you will see being produced from the amino ethyl-esters though. I believe in something like CEE, wasn't it something like 1.2g per 100g of CEE (I'm really pulling numbers out of my ass now; I read that well over a year ago now)?

Saponification is the conversion of esters to alcohols in alkaline conditions. I guess you could consider blood slightly alkaline but the stomach environment certainly isn't and is quite acidic. I still don't like the fact there is any conversion to ethanol. Admittedley, I am nit picking, however along with all the other viable supplement choices why take something which isn't going to help you at all?

**deserusan** · 12-22-2006, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Pepper

depends on the types of esters it uses, however its not a big issue

No...since you are so bright and love to bust my balls I'm asking for you to break down the molecular weights of the contents of the prop blend here. I've done it for another product full of ethyl esters and it didn't look good. So let's see what ya got Dr. Pepper.

**leonidas300** · 12-22-2006, 05:39 PM

I am not much of a fan of ethyl esters at all and think it is all just a marketing ploy to have you pay more for a substance that works fine without estrification. That being said I don't believe it makes much difference in the case of this product as the consumer is still getting a good value and a decent amount of leucine in the product. I don't like the proprietary blend either but am consoled that leucine is listed first.

**Phosphate bond** · 12-22-2006, 06:16 PM

Check out Relentless from Xtreme Formulations too. Then just figure out what the best deal is for your purposes.

**TinyMan** · 12-22-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by deserusan

Saponification is the conversion of esters to alcohols in alkaline conditions. I guess you could consider blood slightly alkaline but the stomach environment certainly isn't and is quite acidic. I still don't like the fact there is any conversion to ethanol. Admittedley, I am nit picking, however along with all the other viable supplement choices why take something which isn't going to help you at all?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...saponification

This isn't really directly relevant to this thread, but it's a bit more on the conversion of the ethyl in CEE into ethanol (saponification) - the concept is pertinent enough, I'd think. Something to get the feet wet in the idea, at least. I thought it was worth going through for anyone unfamiliar or rusty in the concepts.

**SwolenONE** · 12-22-2006, 06:53 PM

Relentless is my personal favorite of all the higher end post workout shakes Ive used.

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