Well I believe that is because chins/pullups mainly stretch the shoulder girdle and lats. While chins/pullups with a narrow grip are in line with the lats natural line of pull and work them from the lat belly up.
Though I can work my lats on damn near any exercise. Hell I can flex them while I am driving in my car. They used to be hardest muscle for me to "feel" while training them. Now my mind-muscle connection with them is flawless.
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12-19-2006, 07:46 PM #61
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Last edited by DiamondDelts; 12-19-2006 at 07:56 PM.
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12-19-2006, 08:18 PM #62
Lord, how tough is this?
the supination or pronation of your hands has ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RELEVANCE to lat involvement
none. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Why? Because the lats don't cross the damn wrists.
All that matters is the motion the humerus goes through. If it is in front of the body i.e. close grip, then it will involve the lats different than if the humerus passes to the side i.e. wide grip. Is the pull straight up and down (i.e. BTN/adduction) or is there a slight angle in the line of pull, i.e. wide grip front pullups = adduction + extension
As for biceps involvement, who the hell cares? I have yet to meet anyone who can curl their bodyweight for repetitions, but I've met a whole lot of people that can chin (or pull!) their bodyweight for repetitions.
Know what that tells me? That the idea that "chinups work the biceps way more than lats" is pure BS.
Which one is going to be easier? Depends on what you normally do. If you specialize in hammer grip chins, then chances are good you'll also be better at hammer grip curls versus conventional curls. Why?
Because that's what you do a whole helluva lot more often. There are quite a few people that can do far more supinated pullups than hammer grip pullups simply because they have done supinated curls for so long (typical bench/biceps jockeys)
Blah. What a bunch of fooey here.
Oh yeah, Kingdom Come, you're a jackass and a douchebag, and as a result, you received a much deserved neg for your retarded comments involving Defiant and W8.
Oh yeah, your statements were wrong, as well.
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12-19-2006, 08:21 PM #63
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12-19-2006, 08:41 PM #64
Wow.
There is no verses here, you do both.EoR is powered by unique Nanomolecular Hyperdispersion Technology. Giving him high bioavailability and myocellular saturation.
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12-20-2006, 06:07 AM #65
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12-20-2006, 06:21 AM #66
If your hands are in the same position as a reverse curl when you are doing wide grip chins, then you are not doing wide grip chins. A WIDE grip chin will have your palms/thumbs/biceps parallel...just like a hammer chin. You sound you are describing "wide grip chins" as the chin ups done in boot camp.
The question about biceps is not "different" but MORE.
I totally agree that a hammer grip works the bicep differently than a supinated grip....
But DIFFERENT is not MORE..
Why is that concept so difficult to understand?
I use the studies to point out what I know from experience, and you damned well know it....
people are taking exercises and making friggin' demagogues out of them.
Deadlifts for lats, Chins for biceps; nothing else needed. A load of stinking fly infested festering crap.
Arnold, Franco, Scott....hell EVERYONE was wrong when they called Wide grip chins....Wide grip chins...because some clown on the internet says so. That they are "pull-ups".....
Give me a break.
A bunch of phucking bull****.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-20-2006, 08:44 AM #67
I think the myth arises from the days of gradeschool when some knucklehead gym teacher delineated the imaginary dichotomy.
now, it has become almost standard fare, kinda like calling a "tissue" a "kleenex".
it's not a kleenex, kleenex is a brand, but when you say "kleenex", everyone knows what you're talking about.
many people now associate "chinups" with the supinated pullup and "pullups" as any exercise done with a pronated grip, with hammer grip exercises being described as "hammer chins" or "hammer pullups"
it's a matter of semantics, and is, essentially, irrelevant.
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12-20-2006, 08:46 AM #68
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12-20-2006, 08:47 AM #69
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12-20-2006, 08:47 AM #70
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12-20-2006, 08:49 AM #71
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12-20-2006, 08:51 AM #72
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12-20-2006, 08:51 AM #73
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12-20-2006, 08:53 AM #74
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12-20-2006, 08:58 AM #75
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12-20-2006, 09:07 AM #76
at the end of the day any pull-up/chin-up grip with give ya big bi's and lats with the correct diet
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12-20-2006, 09:09 AM #77
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12-20-2006, 09:14 AM #78
Nice straw-man.
I guess if you want "Cherry-coke" you are **** out of luck since there is no one word name for it.
I'd love to see you order wine or beer. You must drink a lot of generic ****.
What if you have to say "palms up" or "palms forward" you get all flustered?
Must be a bitch to say "hammer grip".CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-20-2006, 09:17 AM #79I don't know either lol
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12-20-2006, 09:22 AM #80
mrrrweeeeeooowwrrr!!!!!!!!
*hisses and bares claws*
you two...back to your corners. I order you both to eat a pound of pasta and get the sand out of your vaginas...this premenstrual hypoglycemia you're both experiencing is giving me a rash.
MRRWOWOOEEEEOOOOWWWWRRRR!!!!!
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12-20-2006, 09:22 AM #81
There is a difference between defending what a huge majority think and have thought from internet bull**** "newspeak" and declaring things renamed because AJ thinks so...
I am defending the status quo. $AJ was in fact doing the opposite of what I am doing...
PLUS it was what the original poster asked.......CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-20-2006, 09:24 AM #82
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12-20-2006, 09:25 AM #83
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12-20-2006, 09:26 AM #84
I grew up in Pittsburgh, and everyone called it "pop". I joined the military and moved to Washington, and everyone calls it "soda"
If you ask me for "coke", I'm going to call the police.
Originally Posted by W8
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12-20-2006, 09:31 AM #85
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anyone call them soft drinks still?
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12-20-2006, 09:35 AM #86
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12-20-2006, 09:38 AM #87
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12-20-2006, 09:49 AM #88
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12-20-2006, 09:52 AM #89
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12-20-2006, 09:56 AM #90Originally Posted by wikipedia
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