teens + supplements don't = massive

[ANDY.OG]

Some teens in this website are looking for the easy way out. It is really p***ing me off. You don't need to take supplements to be big. I like protein as much as everyone else but you get protein from a good diet.

So f*** if you feel like crap in the gym after several sets that doesn't mean you need to take creatine. Feeling like crap after some extreme reps is just natural and it is showing you that your work out is extreme and thats a good thing.

Fat loss tablets are for losers. They can't be bothered to lose weight them selves and put in the hard work.

These supplements are not miracles in a bottle. It takes hard work and time to become massive. I don't say that i am massive because i am far from what i want to be. I am sure some bitches on here will say well what do you bench then but i don't care. Atleast i aint throwing my money away and i don't lie about my lifts.

When you feel that the supplements are not working like what you want them to be you will only move on to worse or quit. the best thing to do is eat correctly, sleep and dedication.
peace out

[lslars31]

Hell yea, smart kid up there. =) ^^^^^^^^^^^

Supplements are meant to "supplement" your work out. Not to promote the easy way out and lazyness.

It does take hard work and that's why these supplements seem so amazing. Don't worry, just make sure you eat a ****load, lift a ****load, and get enough rest. All in good time it will come.

[Grahamefc]

Originally Posted by ANDY.OG

Some teens in this website are looking for the easy way out. It is really p***ing me off. You don't need to take supplements to be big. I like protein as much as everyone else but you get protein from a good diet.

So f*** if you feel like crap in the gym after several sets that doesn't mean you need to take creatine. Feeling like crap after some extreme reps is just natural and it is showing you that your work out is extreme and thats a good thing.

Fat loss tablets are for losers. They can't be bothered to lose weight them selves and put in the hard work.

These supplements are not miracles in a bottle. It takes hard work and time to become massive. I don't say that i am massive because i am far from what i want to be. I am sure some bitches on here will say well what do you bench then but i don't care. Atleast i aint throwing my money away and i don't lie about my lifts.

When you feel that the supplements are not working like what you want them to be you will only move on to worse or quit. the best thing to do is eat correctly, sleep and dedication.
peace out

What's the point of your post? Basically your telling people not to be lazy in the gym, but why lay laziness in the gym at the feet of supplements?

When used correctly and in conjuction with a good diet and training program, supplements will only help.

Getting 200 grams of protein a day is difficult, but supps make it a lot easier, and creatine and a multivit wouldn't go a miss for anybody.

If you don't pay your dues in the gym then you won't grow, period. But thats not a revolutionary new statement, everybody knows you only get out of bodybuilding what you put into bodybuilding.

Having a go at people who use supplements is just silly. JUST becuase somebody uses supplements it by no means makes them lazy.

[lslars31]

You are correct sir. However, he is talking about those guys that don't use supplements to "supplement". He is talking about the new kids who hear about all this stuff and think it is all a miracle and that it's all you need to get big. They will definitely help, but you need a good diet, and program first.

Actually, getting 200g of protein is not that hard. I just got around that much yesterday without using any supplements. You just have to eat right and eat a lot! Like many people before me have said.

I guess you just didn't understand his post in the way that he intended for it to be understood.

[altkeys101]

Originally Posted by lslars31

I guess you just didn't understand his post in the way that he intended for it to be understood.

Eggggggggactly. Another summary of the first post, which was great by the way, was that new kids on the block want it the easy way out, and they think supplements will work for them without proper diet and exercise.


Personally, I am too nervous about using anything other then my protein and multivitamins. This was a great post. Like you were saying about dedication Andy is also true, because it also takes dedication and strength to not get sucked into the hydroxycut or any other supplement makes you lose 13% bf and get abs in 6 weeks with good diet and exercise.

[63beast]

Originally Posted by lslars31

Hell yea, smart kid up there. =) ^^^^^^^^^^^

Supplements are meant to "supplement" your work out. Not to promote the easy way out and lazyness.

It does take hard work and that's why these supplements seem so amazing. Don't worry, just make sure you eat a ****load, lift a ****load, and get enough rest. All in good time it will come.

May i correct you in that '

Supplements SUPPLEMENT your diet

[Grahamefc]

Originally Posted by altkeys101

and they think supplements will work for them with proper diet and exercise.
.

They will! Thats my point. You obviously don't have much experience with supplements. Why would you be nervous about using them? You realise that proper training and diet is required for them to work, so what harm would creatine, or glutamine, or an MRP do?

Don't blame supplements for people laziness. People are lazy with or without supps.

If you want to get people to work harder in the gym, then write a post about paying your dues, about changing your mentality, not slating supplements.

[Germanic]

I'm so glad you have it all figured out.

[corple]

pretty much everything he said i can relate to, ya know, i get wheres hes comin from. but if he means protein powder is a waste, thats far from it...you know how many chicken breasts = 1 jug of whey. you save TONS of mother ****in money. and its got a better amino complex than chicken breast :/ so anybody against protein powder, **** you

[Natetan]

Yeah you are right. BUt think about this.

Two kids have the same routine and both work equally hard during the workout.

One kids gets 100g protein per day.
The other gets 200g protein per day.

Obviously the kid with the 200 g will probably have better results. Everyone knows working hard and staying on task and settings goals are incredibly important, but whey protein and maybe creatine arent hurting anyone.

[Thewhite9t]

Why bother argueing your point when cell tech has already proved you wrong?

[altkeys101]

Originally Posted by Grahamefc

They will! Thats my point. You obviously don't have much experience with supplements. Why would you be nervous about using them? You realise that proper training and diet is required for them to work, so what harm would creatine, or glutamine, or an MRP do?

Don't blame supplements for people laziness. People are lazy with or without supps.

If you want to get people to work harder in the gym, then write a post about paying your dues, about changing your mentality, not slating supplements.

You know I mean to say without... Seriously.

And yes I agree with you, supplements are not bad, but those who are inexperienced with them, like newbs, will not know what to do with the supps, or what to do with themselves for that matter. All andy was saying was that, dont think supps will work if your not going to work by doing some lifting and exercise and eating right.

[Grahamefc]

Originally Posted by altkeys101

You know I mean to say without... Seriously.

And yes I agree with you, supplements are not bad, but those who are inexperienced with them, like newbs, will not know what to do with the supps, or what to do with themselves for that matter. All andy was saying was that, dont think supps will work if your not going to work by doing some lifting and exercise and eating right.

OK, I take your point. The fundamentals should be in place before supps should be used, or they not going to work.

I just don't like the way people think supps are evil. They're not, they're designed to help and they will help if they're used properly.

[scrace]

i hear you, but i take protien and creatine but i also have a calorie untake of 4500+.

[dalywm]

Originally Posted by ANDY.OG

Some teens in this website are looking for the easy way out. It is really p***ing me off. You don't need to take supplements to be big. I like protein as much as everyone else but you get protein from a good diet.

So f*** if you feel like crap in the gym after several sets that doesn't mean you need to take creatine. Feeling like crap after some extreme reps is just natural and it is showing you that your work out is extreme and thats a good thing.

Fat loss tablets are for losers. They can't be bothered to lose weight them selves and put in the hard work.

These supplements are not miracles in a bottle. It takes hard work and time to become massive. I don't say that i am massive because i am far from what i want to be. I am sure some bitches on here will say well what do you bench then but i don't care. Atleast i aint throwing my money away and i don't lie about my lifts.

When you feel that the supplements are not working like what you want them to be you will only move on to worse or quit. the best thing to do is eat correctly, sleep and dedication.
peace out

I completely agree with you about kids trying to take supplements to get the easy way. Supplements are not magical. Taking supplements without a good workout routine and a good diet will not get you anywhere.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by ANDY.OG

Some teens in this website are looking for the easy way out. It is really p***ing me off. You don't need to take supplements to be big. I like protein as much as everyone else but you get protein from a good diet.

So f*** if you feel like crap in the gym after several sets that doesn't mean you need to take creatine. Feeling like crap after some extreme reps is just natural and it is showing you that your work out is extreme and thats a good thing.

Fat loss tablets are for losers. They can't be bothered to lose weight them selves and put in the hard work.

These supplements are not miracles in a bottle. It takes hard work and time to become massive. I don't say that i am massive because i am far from what i want to be. I am sure some bitches on here will say well what do you bench then but i don't care. Atleast i aint throwing my money away and i don't lie about my lifts.

When you feel that the supplements are not working like what you want them to be you will only move on to worse or quit. the best thing to do is eat correctly, sleep and dedication.
peace out

We all know this already.

And fat loss tabs are for those that are lazy?

Stfu

[UNDlSCLOSED]

Supplements made me massive....

[altkeys101]

But you had a good diet and exercise plan? Am I wrong undisclosed?

[Davy19]

Originally Posted by Grahamefc

What's the point of your post? Basically your telling people not to be lazy in the gym, but why lay laziness in the gym at the feet of supplements?

When used correctly and in conjuction with a good diet and training program, supplements will only help.

Getting 200 grams of protein a day is difficult, but supps make it a lot easier, and creatine and a multivit wouldn't go a miss for anybody.

If you don't pay your dues in the gym then you won't grow, period. But thats not a revolutionary new statement, everybody knows you only get out of bodybuilding what you put into bodybuilding.

Having a go at people who use supplements is just silly. JUST becuase somebody uses supplements it by no means makes them lazy.

True. And supplements are just that supplements. I take them not to find a easy way out, but to get the best out of my workouts and help be the best i can. Sometimes it is hard to eat all the right things at the right time and get 8 hours of sleep, when you have a life around bodybuilding. So instead of posting a useless thread, you should just suck it up and keep on doing what your doing if it works for you.

[Latzilla]

Originally Posted by Thewhite9t

Why bother argueing your point when cell tech has already proved you wrong?

lol

[swordfish87]

your not going to be able to get 2 grams per pound of bodyweight of protein in per day without supplements...... you just cant eat that much.........

[Bignbuff]

Originally Posted by ANDY.OG

Some teens in this website are looking for the easy way out. It is really p***ing me off. You don't need to take supplements to be big. I like protein as much as everyone else but you get protein from a good diet.

So f*** if you feel like crap in the gym after several sets that doesn't mean you need to take creatine. Feeling like crap after some extreme reps is just natural and it is showing you that your work out is extreme and thats a good thing.

Fat loss tablets are for losers. They can't be bothered to lose weight them selves and put in the hard work.

These supplements are not miracles in a bottle. It takes hard work and time to become massive. I don't say that i am massive because i am far from what i want to be. I am sure some bitches on here will say well what do you bench then but i don't care. Atleast i aint throwing my money away and i don't lie about my lifts.

When you feel that the supplements are not working like what you want them to be you will only move on to worse or quit. the best thing to do is eat correctly, sleep and dedication.
peace out

My sentiments exactly. Well said, and repped.

I'm going to stick this for a week or two.

There's no need to take anything besides whey protein, multivitamins, and EFA's, until you've been training for at least 3 years or so, as far as I'm concerned.

[Fallen_]

Wow, sticky already ?? Congrats.

[ANDY.OG]

READ IT PROPERLY BEFORE YOU BITCH I AM TALKING ABOUT NEWBZ

thanks for all the comments. lets get more detailed with what i trying to saying. i was meaning for newbz sake. supps are good in order to aid with improvements that can't be denied. it helps when finding it tough to get the most protein needed in order to help with muscle development.

i was meaning to say that when first coming into weight lifting it is just stupid to waste money on anything. first off read about things. when looking on the net all products seem to sound like they work wonders. nothing is a miracle supplement otherwise they would put everyone out of business. supplements are there to aid us in our goals. but some bitches on here that don't know nothing think the fancy words that brands use are true and they go out and buy ****. they are too easily manipulated e.g. muscletech.

i agree with everyone. i was trying to state that people that are starting should not be so easily influenced. yes there are fat kids on here using fat loss tablets as the easy way out.

i never slated supplements that the thing i think some of you lads should read more. stop reading into **** deeper than i am typing it. i love suplements but i was saying that it aint a easy alternative and we all know there has been lads on this site saying what can i take before they ask what they can do to their routine and diet. DONT YOU AGREE CHARLIE BROWN.

i never once griefed supplements i griefed the users that know nothing and just started and want something straight away.

one of you said well motivate us and dedicate us. well how about you think of your favourite bodybuilder. how about you think of the gains you can make or the potential. have targets you aim to reach. lissen to pumpin tunes that get you in the state of mind that makes you go at it in the gym.

[Bignbuff]

Most people don't realize the kind of results yielded from pure dedication, goal-driven focus, and hard work, in regards to diet and training.

Of course, doing everything necessary to reach one's desired level is not an easy task. But nothing worthwhile in bodybuilding, comes without sacrifice.

Supplements work best for those who understand these principles I have just stated, for those very reasons. They actually use these products as "supplements" of their already perfected diets and intense training regimes.

[lslars31]

Originally Posted by 63beast

May i correct you in that '

Supplements SUPPLEMENT your diet

I hope I am not making an assumption by saying I have a feeling you knew what I meant. However, they do indirectly supplement your work out.

[lslars31]

Originally Posted by swordfish87

your not going to be able to get 2 grams per pound of bodyweight of protein in per day without supplements...... you just cant eat that much.........

actually yes, it is quite easy. I do it every day. You just have to eat the correct foods.

[Bignbuff]

Originally Posted by swordfish87

your not going to be able to get 2 grams per pound of bodyweight of protein in per day without supplements...... you just cant eat that much.........

In general, whey protein is fine for a beginner to use, in order to get his desired daily amount of protein. The majority of it should still come from real foods however.

[blah12345]

Why is this thing stickied?

[ghostfacekilla]

because too many peopel takign no explode