If my goal is to increase overall strength, would you suggest that i perform incline/decline barbell presses or dumbell presses?
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12-03-2006, 07:41 AM #1Banned
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Dumbell Press vs Barbell Press
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12-03-2006, 08:21 AM #2Registered User
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in general, barbell all the way....but, from time to time you can do some db presses also because they have their own benefits such as showing when one side is getting stronger than the other
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12-03-2006, 08:48 AM #3Squats traps to grass
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Originally Posted by bigphishy56
Either.
Whichever one you like more.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-03-2006, 08:56 AM #4Registered User
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They are both great workouts, just make sure you also do incle press, sometimes I like to rotate, if I do a flat barbell, then I'll do a incline dumbell, and vice-versa...
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12-03-2006, 09:32 AM #5Registered User
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do both, works different muscles and db stimulates more fibers than barbell
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12-03-2006, 09:42 AM #6He said his goal is to gain strength optimally...Originally Posted by Defiant1
Generally speaking, you can gain good strength on either. But you would obviously be able to do more on the barbell press to start with. So then you would be able to make increments more often. And, you have to make 10lb increments with DB's unless you have microplates.Originally Posted by bigphishy56
So I would go with BB if there was no other particular reason why you want to use DB's.
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12-03-2006, 09:47 AM #7Squats traps to grass
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No **** best regards.Originally Posted by homer1
Functional strength is different than how much you actually move. Again, by your logic, a hammer strength press would be better than both because you can use more weight.
Dumbbells develop real world strength, as you are using each side in isolation.
In fact, if you really were a sports trainer, you would know that bilateral movements limit the amount of force you can generate, and are mostly useful in bilateral applications.
Stop claiming to be a sports trainer. I know you are not one.
Generally speaking, you can gain good strength on either. But you would obviously be able to do more on the barbell press to start with. So then you would be able to make increments more often. And, you have to make 10lb increments with DB's unless you have microplates.
So I would go with BB if there was no other particular reason why you want to use DB's.
Wrong, as explained above.
You need to knock it off.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-03-2006, 09:59 AM #8Yeah well screw you. Put on ignore so I dont have to read your crap.Originally Posted by Defiant1
But to answer your question, yes, DB's require more muscular stabilization, as each side have to push the weight up individually.
And I usually use DB's in athletes like football players since they will rarely use both arms at the same time with the exact same amount of force on each end. And like you said, DB's would be superior in that respect.
But we dont really know what he is wanting to use his strength for. If he is looking to just add as much weight to the bar as he can, BB would be better. If he is looking to gain maximal muscle, well, either could work. Functional strength, probably a DB. It all depends...
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12-03-2006, 10:03 AM #9Championing Mediocrity
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I think they both give good strength gains if I had to choose I would pick Barbell Press.
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12-03-2006, 10:04 AM #10Squats traps to grass
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Originally Posted by homer1
Well......
then stop making definative statements like this..
And it wasn't a question...Originally Posted by homer1
It was a statement explaining how you were incorrect.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-03-2006, 10:13 AM #11Registered User
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Defiant post crap? lolOriginally Posted by homer1
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12-03-2006, 10:18 AM #12He quotes every statement I make and acts like I'm lying about who I am...Originally Posted by SmallStrength
tries to act like he knows me or somethin..
so yes....
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12-03-2006, 10:26 AM #13Registered User
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???Originally Posted by Defiant1
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12-03-2006, 10:33 AM #14Squats traps to grass
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Give it up dude, you aren't a "sports trainer" that is working on his PhD. What is your thesis on? I'd be interested to know.Originally Posted by homer1
That would mean you have a Masters in a related field, and you sure as hell wouldn't need to cut and paste most of your info or use "Rippetoes" as the basis of your knowledge on correct squat depth.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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12-03-2006, 10:33 AM #15Registered User
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He has proven himself the be one of the most knowledgeable and helpful people on this forum...Originally Posted by homer1
You on the other hand just joined this forum and no one knows who you are yet you keep posting as if everything you say is fact, only to be proven wrong later on. You won't even give out your background, stats, or anything. You need to gain the trust of the forum before you post the way you do. If not, make your post more opinion oriented than fact.
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12-03-2006, 10:49 AM #16Banned
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thanks for the advice everyone. Would you recommend two chest workouts a week - one in which i perform a barbell press and one in which i perform a dumbell press? I speculate that this would develop individual as well as coordinated aspects of the muscle group, though i am by no means an expert when it comes to weight training.
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12-03-2006, 11:34 AM #17Registered User
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Originally Posted by bigphishy56
thats one way to go about it...then again there are many ways which will work. If you are relatively new at lifting (2 years or less) id have you mainly stick with barbells for the main movements...but also use soem dumbells
maybe like this
Mon
barbell bench 4-5 sets x 5 reps
incline db bench 3x8-10
Thur
barbell bench 3x6-8 reps
incline db 3x6
or something like that.
IMO until you are benching like 225 for reps with a barbell, you dont have a lot of business using db's as the main exercise. The exception would be if you have been flat bb benching for like 12 weeks or something and are just burned out on it. In that case you need to switch to somethign else for a while to give the body some variability....so dumbells might be used in that period for maybe 4-8 weeks or something. But then get back to building that flat bench up.
just a side note....a lot of pros might say 'flat bench isnt all that important'.....but then you find out that they worked up to 450-500 on flat bench, lol. So it is sort of like a millionaire saying "money isnt important to me"
Barbells will always be the bread and butter....this has been proven for at least 50 years now"Humility comes before honor"
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12-03-2006, 12:55 PM #18I code in Iron!
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Yarr, but lets say your options were limited, and... oh i dont know, you had to choose between a Smith BB Press and a DB Press?
Did Matt Furey for a month.
Did Arnolds beginner program for a month.
Starting out Rippetoes now, checking back in a few weeks with stats :)
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12-03-2006, 01:49 PM #19DB Press for sure...Originally Posted by Baradir
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12-04-2006, 03:25 PM #20Registered User
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Ok another maybe not so hypothetical situation... let's say one pec is significantly larger, stronger, and fuller than the other. But you're still at the beginner/novice weightlifting level. Should one do DB's until they even out then switch to BB press, or do BB press primarily?
Yeah this is my problem. I did BB only for a while hoping it would just fix itself, but it has not, both sides have grown so are larger and still VERY uneven. And shaped differently. (One seems almost atrophied, there is a strip of fibers across the small pec that has not grown at all...). So been doing DB for months, but not much difference it seems.
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12-04-2006, 03:53 PM #21It'll take care of itself usually... have you gotten stronger on the bench press?Originally Posted by jb0ne
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12-04-2006, 04:44 PM #22Demon Fitness - Owner
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Here, here! I've never seen someone do so much cut and pasting in a forum before!!Originally Posted by Defiant1
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12-04-2006, 07:39 PM #23Registered User
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Looks to me like you've answered your own question. You wish to even out your chest muscles which you beleive have gotten worse since using a BB. Maybe you should give DB's a try.
As for me, using DB's helped significantly for strength. I was barely moving up with a BB when I swiched to DB's exlusively for 3 months. When I switched back I realized how much of a huge jump in stength I had made. Please also keep in mind that this could have been due to variation which seems like something you may want to remember as from the sounds of things you have been using a BB for a while.
DB's take a bit to get use to but once your supporting muscles get use to stablizing the weights and you get to really isolate chest (be patient this could take a couple weeks or more) you'll really notice the benefits. I used BB alone for two years before switching. Now, I love DB presses. The ability to strech and gain more range with them is priceless along. I credit incline DB presses as giving me the ability to make growth in my upper chest.
I will add that I am no PH.D and just offering my opinion from personal experience and witnessed change.
Originally Posted by jb0ne
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12-04-2006, 11:34 PM #24Registered User
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if i were u i would use machines for mass.do the peck deck for a little while...that made my bench go from 540 lbs to 610.5 in only 10 workouts(not a typo) so yeah use the peck deck and only peck deck for ur chest workouts and ull notice great results...Originally Posted by bigphishy56
my workout was..
peck deck - 37 sets of 20 reps
on chest days
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12-04-2006, 11:53 PM #25Registered User
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someone punch this guyOriginally Posted by bahpster
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12-05-2006, 12:12 AM #26Registered User
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yeah that reminds me midwest....gettign punched in diff muscles makes them huge and hard.so go and get punched by ppl
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12-05-2006, 03:54 AM #27hahaha for those of you who dont know, he was jokingOriginally Posted by bahpster
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12-05-2006, 06:45 AM #28Registered User
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Homer1 is a 14 year old kid that gives advice out the wazoo without any real world experience backing it???Originally Posted by mjw8204
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