What not to take with Halodrol LiquiGels?

[Matth3wJL]

Is there anything I should not be taking while dosing Halodrol LiquiGels?

My current supplementation is:

Multi-V
Vitamin B Complex
Liver Caps
Potassium Caps
ALA Caps
Co-Q10 Caps
CLA Caps
Sesamin Caps
L-Arginine Powder
Glucosamine Caps
Green Tea Caps
Omega 3-6-9 Caps
BCAA Caps
Vitamin C Caps
L-Glutamine
Protein Powder
CEE Creatine

[ab-swing asianbabe]

They should be taken with high protein meals and EFAs limited. But first of all you should wait until 21+.

[deserusan]

Anti-inflammatories:

Cissus
Fish Oil
NSAIDS
Glucosamine
ALA
Green Tea
Milk Thistle
Vitamin E (excess)
Chromium (excess)
Grapeseed Extract
Berberine
CLA
Sesamin
Tumeric
St. John's wort
Rosemary

[tombstone3@cox.net]

Originally Posted by deserusan

Anti-inflammatories:

Cissus
Fish Oil
NSAIDS
Glucosamine
ALA
Green Tea
Milk Thistle
Vitamin E (excess)
Chromium (excess)

I thought Glucosimine simply helped lubricate joints and is not an anti-imflammatory of any kind. Why avoid it while on AA? I think if you have joint pain, the last thing you should do is discontinue Glucosimine as it's not going to interfere with it at all. Milk Thistle also makes no sense to avoid because it also doesn't seem to have any properties potent enough to lower or interfere with AA in the body and it has liver protectant properties you are going to want while on a methylated oral. Other than that your list looks like it has merit if you're looking to be super anal. Really fish oil and NSAIDs are the main ones to avoid.

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by tombstone3@cox.net

I thought Glucosimine simply helped lubricate joints and is not an anti-imflammatory of any kind. Why avoid it while on AA? I think if you have joint pain, the last thing you should do is discontinue Glucosimine as it's not going to interfere with it at all. Milk Thistle also makes no sense to avoid because it also doesn't seem to have any properties potent enough to lower or interfere with AA in the body and it has liver protectant properties you are going to want while on a methylated oral. Other than that your list looks like it has merit if you're looking to be super anal. Really fish oil and NSAIDs are the main ones to avoid.

You know nothing about cyclooxygenase.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by deserusan

Anti-inflammatories:

Cissus
Fish Oil
NSAIDS
Glucosamine
ALA
Green Tea
Milk Thistle
Vitamin E (excess)
Chromium (excess)
Grapeseed Extract

My current supplementation is:

Multi-V
Vitamin B Complex
Liver Caps
Potassium Caps
ALA Caps
Co-Q10 Caps
CLA Caps
Sesamin Caps
L-Arginine Powder
Glucosamine Caps
Green Tea Caps
Omega 3-6-9 Caps
BCAA Caps
Vitamin C Caps
L-Glutamine
Protein Powder
CEE Creatine

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

My current supplementation is:


Vitamin B Complex
ALA Caps
Co-Q10 Caps
Glucosamine Caps
Green Tea Caps
Omega 3-6-9 Caps
CLA
Sesamin

Drop these....also your multi probably contains enough B-complex.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by deserusan

Drop these....also your multi probably contains enough B-complex.

I take NOW ADAM Multi-
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/adam.html

What would be the reason for dropping Co-Q10?

Also forgot to add that I take Xceed Pre-workout.

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

What would be the reason for dropping Co-Q10?

NOW ADAM is fine. Co-Q10 boosts vitamin e's inhibition of cyclooxygenase.

[tombstone3@cox.net]

Originally Posted by deserusan

You know nothing about cyclooxygenase.

I think you're full of it. Prove that Glucosimine is an anti-imflammatory and not just a joint fluid supporter? From what I've read you are wrong here. Just because you say it, doesn't make it right. And there have been several threads on X-Factor and Glucosimine and none that I've run across state proof that Glucosamine interferes with AA.

The effects of Glucosimine appears anti-inflammatory in the way it relives pain but it does NOT involve blocking the enzyme, cyclooxgenase. As stated in a pasage by The American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy's own website:

"This anti-inflammatory action results from a mechanism other than inhibition of cyclooxygenase."

Blocking those enzymes is what counteracts the saturation of AA in X-Factor and Halodrol liqui-gels. Since Glucosamine doesn't block cycloxgenase enzymes it won't effect AA.

Not only that but you recommend dropping supplements that are so weak in their effect on cyclooxgenase that it's pointless to even think about using or not using them. The effect is minimal. Omega-3 acids are extremely mild in their effect but it "might" be enough to recommend not supplementing any and certain NSAIDs are the MAIN thing to recommend avoiding as they definitely have lab proof on effecting AA strongly enough to inhibit it's benefits on muscle growth. Those others such as Vitamin-E have such a small effect that it's pointless to even worry about it.

There, I know "nothing" but it's apparently more than you on this subject. And that's just using google for 20 minutes and I can find that you are wrong here. Good day.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by tombstone3@cox.net

I think you're full of it. Prove that Glucosimine is an anti-imflammatory and not just a joint fluid supporter? From what I've read you are wrong here. Just because you say it, doesn't make it right. And there have been several threads on X-Factor and Glucosimine and none that I've run across state proof that Glucosamine interferes with AA.

The effects of Glucosimine appears anti-inflammatory in the way it relives pain but it does NOT involve blocking the enzyme, cyclooxgenase. As stated in a pasage by The American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy's own website:

"This anti-inflammatory action results from a mechanism other than inhibition of cyclooxygenase."

Blocking those enzymes is what counteracts the saturation of AA in X-Factor and Halodrol liqui-gels. Since Glucosamine doesn't block cycloxgenase enzymes it won't effect AA.

Not only that but you recommend dropping supplements that are so weak in their effect on cyclooxgenase that it's pointless to even think about using or not using them. The effect is minimal. Omega-3 acids are extremely mild in their effect but it "might" be enough to recommend not supplementing any and certain NSAIDs are the MAIN thing to recommend avoiding as they definitely have lab proof on effecting AA strongly enough to inhibit it's benefits on muscle growth. Those others such as Vitamin-E have such a small effect that it's pointless to even worry about it.

There, I know "nothing" but it's apparently more than you on this subject. Good day.

Can't we all get along?...

[zachattack43]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

Is there anything I should not be taking while dosing Halodrol LiquiGels?

My current supplementation is:

Multi-V
Vitamin B Complex
Liver Caps
Potassium Caps
ALA Caps
Co-Q10 Caps
CLA Caps
Sesamin Caps
L-Arginine Powder
Glucosamine Caps
Green Tea Caps
Omega 3-6-9 Caps
BCAA Caps
Vitamin C Caps
L-Glutamine
Protein Powder
CEE Creatine

Drop the following
glutamine
sesamin
omega 3-6-9 caps
green tea
Also avoid advil, Ib, and the like.
Avoid olive oil, fish oil and fish products and so on

[ianthegreat]

Originally Posted by deserusan

You know nothing about cyclooxygenase.

lmao. brutally direct.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by zachattack43

Drop the following
glutamine
sesamin
omega 3-6-9 caps
green tea
Also avoid advil, Ib, and the like.
Avoid olive oil, fish oil and fish products and so on

No glute? =(

I was getting tired of taking all of these :0

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by tombstone3@cox.net

I think you're full of it. Prove that Glucosimine is an anti-imflammatory and not just a joint fluid supporter? From what I've read you are wrong here. Just because you say it, doesn't make it right. And there have been several threads on X-Factor and Glucosimine and none that I've run across state proof that Glucosamine interferes with AA.

The effects of Glucosimine appears anti-inflammatory in the way it relives pain but it does NOT involve blocking the enzyme, cyclooxgenase. As stated in a pasage by The American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy's own website:

"This anti-inflammatory action results from a mechanism other than inhibition of cyclooxygenase."

Blocking those enzymes is what counteracts the saturation of AA in X-Factor and Halodrol liqui-gels. Since Glucosamine doesn't block cycloxgenase enzymes it won't effect AA.

Not only that but you recommend dropping supplements that are so weak in their effect on cyclooxgenase that it's pointless to even think about using or not using them. The effect is minimal. Omega-3 acids are extremely mild in their effect but it "might" be enough to recommend not supplementing any and certain NSAIDs are the MAIN thing to recommend avoiding as they definitely have lab proof on effecting AA strongly enough to inhibit it's benefits on muscle growth. Those others such as Vitamin-E have such a small effect that it's pointless to even worry about it.

There, I know "nothing" but it's apparently more than you on this subject. And that's just using google for 20 minutes and I can find that you are wrong here. Good day.

Congrats on proving the obvious. Perhaps you can ask a MOD to change your name to Captain Obvious. With that said glucosamine, believe it or not, contributes to insulin resistance due to increase glycogen synthase activity within type II muscle fibers. Now when you take an anabolic substance you certainly don't want to increase insulin resistance now do you.

[tombstone3@cox.net]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

Can't we all get along?...

I would lay off this guy but he likes to neg me from previous threads for reasons that make little or no sense, so I'm giving him a hard time until he quits the "mightier than thou" BS.

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by tombstone3@cox.net

I would lay off this guy but he likes to neg me from previous threads for reasons that make little or no sense, so I'm giving him a hard time until he quits the "mightier than thou" BS.

You might want to correct that statement because I am mightier than thou in both mind and body.

[zachattack43]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

No glute? =(

I was getting tired of taking all of these :0

well i personally believe glutamine is useless, you get plenty from your protein shakes

[Matth3wJL]

Ok heres the new supplement menu, what do you guys think?

Anything I should add or remove, or move?

Daily Supplements:

Meal 1 Supplements:
1 Multi-V Cap
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
2 Tsp L-Arginine
1 Halodrol Liquigel Cap

Meal 2 Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
2 BCAA Caps

Meal 3 Pre-workout Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
2 BCAA Caps
1 Vitamin C
1 Scoop Xceed
2 Tsp L-Arginine
1 Halodrol Liquigel Cap

Meal 4 Post-workout Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
2 BCAA Caps
1 Vitamin C

Meal 5 Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
1 Halodrol Liquigel Cap

Meal 6 Supplements:
1 Multi-V
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap

And heres the diet:

Meal 1 – 100g Carbs, 35g Protein
¾ Cup Egg Whites
1 Whole Wheat Bagel
½ Cup Oatmeal

Meal 2 – 75g Carbs, 35g Protein
3 oz Chicken/Steak
7 oz Sweet Potato
1 Cup Brown Rice
Green Veggies

Meal 3 Pre-workout – 100g Carbs, 35g Protein
1 ½ Scoops Protein
½ Cup Carbo Gain
10 oz Sweet Potato

Meal 4 Post-workout – 100g Carbs, 35g Protein
1 Scoop Whey Protein
½ Cup Carbo Gain
1 Whole Wheat Bagel

Meal 5 – 50g Carbs, 35g Protein
4 oz Chicken/Steak
1 Cup Oatmeal
Green Veggies

Meal 6 – 0g Carbs, 35g Protein
1 Scoop Casein Protein
½ Cup Fat Free Cottage Cheese

[tombstone3@cox.net]

Originally Posted by deserusan

Congrats on proving the obvious. Perhaps you can ask a MOD to change your name to Captain Obvious. With that said glucosamine, believe it or not, contributes to insulin resistance due to increase glycogen synthase activity within type II muscle fibers. Now when you take anabolic substance you certainly don't want to increase insulin resistance now do you.

Do you have a research paper stating that the effect of Glucosamine on insulin resistance is siginificant enough to effect muscle growth in a negative way? Oh, I'm sorry, I like PROOF with someone's rhetoric when it's highly questionable and relatively NOT common knowledge.

You said "believe it or not". I choose NOT. The effect is likely to be so slight that it won't effect your muscle growth negatively on X-Factor.

[ab-swing asianbabe]

yikes!!!
Seen "bring it on" too many times...??!?

[zachattack43]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

Ok heres the new supplement menu, what do you guys think?

Anything I should add or remove, or move?

Daily Supplements:

Meal 1 Supplements:
1 Multi-V Cap
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
2 Tsp L-Arginine
1 Halodrol Liquigel Cap

Meal 2 Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
2 BCAA Caps

Meal 3 Pre-workout Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
2 BCAA Caps
1 Vitamin C
1 Scoop Xceed
2 Tsp L-Arginine
1 Halodrol Liquigel Cap

Meal 4 Post-workout Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
2 BCAA Caps
1 Vitamin C

Meal 5 Supplements:
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap
1 Halodrol Liquigel Cap

Meal 6 Supplements:
1 Multi-V
2 Liver Caps
1 Potassium Cap

And heres the diet:

Meal 1 – 100g Carbs, 35g Protein
¾ Cup Egg Whites
1 Whole Wheat Bagel
½ Cup Oatmeal

Meal 2 – 75g Carbs, 35g Protein
3 oz Chicken/Steak
7 oz Sweet Potato
1 Cup Brown Rice
Green Veggies

Meal 3 Pre-workout – 100g Carbs, 35g Protein
1 ½ Scoops Protein
½ Cup Carbo Gain
10 oz Sweet Potato

Meal 4 Post-workout – 100g Carbs, 35g Protein
1 Scoop Whey Protein
½ Cup Carbo Gain
1 Whole Wheat Bagel

Meal 5 – 50g Carbs, 35g Protein
4 oz Chicken/Steak
1 Cup Oatmeal
Green Veggies

Meal 6 – 0g Carbs, 35g Protein
1 Scoop Casein Protein
½ Cup Fat Free Cottage Cheese

that looks great, but why 2 doses of Multi-V in a day, is the serving size 2 caps, so you splitting the dose?

[tombstone3@cox.net]

Originally Posted by deserusan

You might want to correct that statement because I am mightier than thou in both mind and body.

A matter of opinion. One in which again you provide no proof. And an "intelligent" mind will provide backup to his rhetoric on demand. Better hit google man and back your s**t up.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by zachattack43

that looks great, but why 2 doses of Multi-V in a day, is the serving size 2 caps, so you splitting the dose?

Yes the serving on the NOW ADAM Multi says:

Directions:
Take 2 tablets daily, preferably with meals.

So I just split them em in the day

[dvsness]

i only see 210g protein in there.

you seem to have more supps than food.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by dvsness

i only see 210g protein in there.

you seem to have more supps than food.

im like 190-195..

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by dvsness

i only see 210g protein in there.

you seem to have more supps than food.

revised it a lil bit:

High
425g Carbs, 300g Protein, 0g Fat

Meal 1 – 100g Carbs, 50g Protein
1 Cup Egg Whites
1 Whole Wheat Bagel
½ Cup Oatmeal

Meal 2 – 75g Carbs, 50g Protein
6 oz Chicken/Steak
7 oz Sweet Potato
1 Cup Brown Rice
Green Veggies

Meal 3 Pre-workout – 100g Carbs, 50g Protein
2 Scoops Protein
½ Cup Carbo Gain
10 oz Sweet Potato

Meal 4 Post-workout – 100g Carbs, 50g Protein
1 ½ Scoops Whey Protein
½ Cup Carbo Gain
1 Whole Wheat Bagel

Meal 5 – 50g Carbs, 50g Protein
6 oz Chicken/Steak
1 Cup Oatmeal
Green Veggies

Meal 6 – 0g Carbs, 50g Protein
1 Scoop Casein Protein
1 Cup Fat Free Cottage Cheese


I forgot i was cycling my carbs and replacing them with protien, now im just doing high on all days and med on off days to pack on the mass.

[dvsness]

Originally Posted by Matth3wJL

im like 190-195..

exactly! that would be sufficient for most people your size, but if you lift, you neeed more than the average joe. if you are serious enough about your training to use supplements, you should be serious about your diet as well.

so where's the protein?

edit: that's better. now where's the fat (you're not at zero like you indicated, but you should be at at least 50)?? and you should recheck those numbers on macros, many of the calculations are wrong.

[xenowang]

While you're not eating high-fat foods here, it's inaccurate to say you're taking in 0g of fat. For example, one cup of oatmeal has 6 grams of fat and steak has considerable fat content (even the leanest cuts will have a fair amount of fat).

That said, don't be afraid of fat- it's crucial for a good diet.

[Matth3wJL]

Originally Posted by xenowang

While you're not eating high-fat foods here, it's inaccurate to say you're taking in 0g of fat. For example, one cup of oatmeal has 6 grams of fat and steak has considerable fat content (even the leanest cuts will have a fair amount of fat).

That said, don't be afraid of fat- it's crucial for a good diet.

Understood just showing the amount of fat I would of added such as Natty PB.. Thanks!