Having difficulties/slimming down! HELP!!!

[mudy]

Hi,
I seriously get depressed sometimes, even had crying fit -I know, pretty laughable..-and I don't know what to do.
Sometimes I just want to go without eating anything or just throw the food up...


I about 123lb and 5'6", WF. It sounds OK. But am I not sure if it's a bless or curse but I have this hour-glass figure. All the excess fat goes on the sides of my tights and butts -little here and there, boobs, belly,arms. If I gained more, I would probably trasfer to triangle..OK, I am not bad but I do have excess fat on me, which mainly bothers me, and since I had gave up on my diet and exercise, I can't really fit in my old pants.

So, I wanted to slim down, at least my legs. I followed some people's advice on a forum, kinda like online training. (How can you train someone withouth being present thru the workout, doesn't work for me!) Worked out 5 days, I trained each bodypart 1 time a week, except my legs and butts. It was monday and friday. I was on a strickt diet -for me at least-, ie: no wheat, bread, sugar -splenda!-, no dairy -only FF cottage cheese daily, and mozarella sometimes, no soy products-, and no fruits bc of the fructose content, and of course no fat no this and no that... For about 2-3 months. Instead of getting skinnier legs (calves are okay), I got THICKER and this is NOT what I wanted and still do NOT. I had some trainer in my gym but I didn't like it, also the pressure of selling me more sessions..(I'd rather have someone independent trainer and nutritionist)

I am on my own little diet, little fat, no pizza and junk food,not as srickt as before since it didn't work and also I am not going to compete, so you got the point, I only do cardios now 3 times a week for 30mins or more -started about 1.5 months ago-, and I see no result on loosing on pants sizes. This is why I don't know what to do, I think it has to be something there that I can't digest..


I am asking you guys here to help me and put me on an eating plan, tell me what to do! I wouldn't mind loosing muscles right now, I just want to loose from my ass first, than I'll built muscle.


Thank you so much!!!!

ps.: just for the idea -a little bigger at tights
http://jeans-and-accessories.com/wom...hourglass.html

[Shivati]

omg i have your same problem /sigh.... i have gone through the same conflict of emotions, broken down crying, considered lipo etc.... my problem, may or may not be similar to yours, is i lost 60 lbs 5 yrs ago (and have keep most of it off)... and was left with loose skin NO BOOBS and my hips and thighs still GRAVELY unproportional to the rest of my body (imo). I am half black and ppl say 'oh its nice to have a ghetto booty bla bla bla'. Well its not... i see ppl on bb.com and websites that have lost 75-100lbs and go on to have 'normal' figures... NO excess skin, even enter BB contests!!!!!!!! /sigh

anyway chica what i have to say is your not alone, don't give up.... i may be able to give some suggestions to you, but you have to find what works for your body... write everything down.... i even used to keep a journal of how food made me feel.

and DO LEG WORKOUTS. i honestly believed that crap for years.... bulky makes you look fatter. Well true you can't target fat in certain areas but ya know what.... in the end do i want a fat ass with no muscle or fat on my ass with rock solid muscles underneath to hold that derrier up!!!!

also something im getting into lately that has doubled my strength... do compound exercises. WOW, we woman have been lied too for so long. WHY DID NO ONE EVER SHOW ME THESE??? deadlift, squat, chest press, and military press till ur blue in the face. Get excited about altering what you can... and when you see the results from that you (and i ) will have more confidence to either except our thighs or be able to drastically alter them as well.

[skibbi9]

nice suggestions shiv. I especially like the part where you recommend to do leg exercises. Tightening that stuff up can't hurt and getting some muscle in the easiest places will only help your metabolism (bmr)

as for your diet, I'm sure someone here or else where will be able to help you. I've got a date with my bed, so i'll be brief.

you mention little to no fat diets
read ozigal's thread about fats:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=936089

I also recommend you look into a couple books:

"Burn the fat, feed the muscle"
"The abs diet" (believe they did a female version of this, lots of good information but the diet itself needs tweaking, as you should be doing macro breakdowns and doing BMR calculations, as well as more exercise and cardio then they lead you to believe)
"Body for Life"

They're all good reads that will help with motivation and give you some pretty good pointers.

Also your previous diet looks awkward. No wheat and no dairy makes everyone on bb.com go crazy. (don't mind if I do!!!)

Hopefully you'll get more diet advice. I'd also suggest more cardio! run/eliptical/etc til you're sweating (i know girls hate sweating) and dying and then go 5 more minutes! but seriously 4-5x 30min a week. You should be able to get your lifting down to 3-4 times a week (especially if you don't mind doing some compounds that will really work the main muscles and tighten you up)

Take Care,
Skibbi

Maybe you'll want to post your diet,

[mudy]

Hi there!

Thanks for the response and cheering

Yeah, I did all that, deadlifts, smith machine, power lift, squats -leg here and there, this position that position.. I believe this is why I got thick.

I think this is my heaviest ever. I normally am about 110-115lb(this is already too much for me) and I still have the "sticking out" part on the tights..

Haha, ghetto booty, I personally think the same about it. Those are some nice and round buns (I am curved from the front, from side look, I am pretty flat..), I would have them.
Excess skin is probably more annoying then fat, I watch these tv shows and I see that the only way is cut them off.. Sorry, didnt mean to scare u.


I did have a journal, too. I put it on fitday what I ate a day.

I just want to pull my hair out sometimes when I see a hot girl and wondering how they made it.

Ps.: I have this book, Power eating but the minimum Cal. diet is 1300 which I think is a lot..and I don't agree with certain parts in the book.

[ryanohio]

tell us what you eat on an average day. How intense are your weight lifting sessions? How long do they last? What type of exercises are you doing? Do you do any cardio?

Nobody can help you with what you have posted. Help us help you and give us a better understanding of your lifestyle...

[smith79]

Mudy,

Don't beat yourself up too much

I can't give you much advice in terms of exercise and food control, not least because you are a female. What I would recommend is getting a book by guys like Gunnar Petersen or Matt Roberts, who cater almost exclusively for women. As you sound completely gutted about your body shape, it is well worth investing in a personal trainer, even if it is just for 10 sessions or so. Ask the trainer to show you how to properly implement the plans in the book, and you ensure you stick to the food control plans outlined. Get through a few weeks of it, get used to it, then ditch the trainer and continue solo.

Just be optimistic. Don't kill yourself over your body; believe me, it would be a heck of a lot worse if you were one of those "Atkins ladies" who weigh 300 lbs or more. They have an entire PERSON to lose in weight, whereas you just need to tone up by the sounds of it!

Look, when I was 18 I was immensely overweight and a social outsider. I wanted to turn my body and my life around. All I had was a navy t-shirt, a pair of ill-fitting shorts, a very bad pair of black trainers, and one 10 lbs dumbbell. Yet with that humble equipment, I managed to lose some 60 lbs, become a regular five or six mile runner, do countless calisthenics, sculpt a pretty good body...and started dating some tremendously attractive women. The turnaround was sensational.

I mention that because we live in this age of big gyms, big equipment, big diet pills, big diet books, big diet food ranges, big fitness videos etc. Yet a guy like myself managed to do an astounding u-turn with none of these things to my name.

This is what YOU have to accept. Stop beating yourself up over your lack of progress, and start getting EXCITED instead. Get a book, throw out all the junk food in your kitchen and restock it with healthy stuff, hire a personal trainer for a block of 10 or 20 sessions, and then say to yourself "I am going to get SEXIER each and every day. Working out several times a week and consistently eating a fresh, healthy diet -- I am looking BETTER every day!"

You know what I mean? Don't look at body transformation as something you HAVE to do. This isn't like having the credit card people sending you last warning notices. A body transformation is something you CHOOSE to do because you WANT to, not necessarily because you have to. I can CHOOSE to learn French, just so I can say I speak another language. I can CHOOSE to get a great haircut, just so I will feel more confident. And you can CHOOSE to get in better and sexier shape every day.

It's a grand thing you want to do. Don't cry about it -- love it!

[mudy]

????
It's all there.
I do not lift -in the past 3 months-, I only do cardio.

When I lifted, I did it 5 days, 1-2 bodyparts a day for about 1.5-2 hours with stretching before and after.

My diet is not right, this is one of the things I need help with!!!!

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Hey Skibbie, thanks for all. Sleep tight!
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Smith, thanks a lot for you too!
You know, I was optimistic but I didn't transfer the way I wanted, I reached the opposit.
And I did have 2 trainer, from my gym. You know what? None of them looked better then me. I dont know why they hire people with fat on them, this is not a good advertisement. I want to look like "someone", the person at least who trains me, so that I know she/he knows what she/he does. Untill the person have the body I don't desire for myself, I don't take it as a trainer. Sorry
So I have this Power eating book from a phd lady and there is a lot more out there, don't know which would work for me.

[mudy]

Oh, I do not have junk in the fridge.
I have one cheat day a week, other than that I dont eat crap and go to gym mostly after 7PM (I have to be at work all day)

I just bought an Isopure protein powder for the hours when I cant get food.
I LOVE FOOD and Love cooking unfortunatelly..

[mudy]

Oh God, I just read gymgurl's post, she has the same problem as I do. I don't want to work out for 2 years with no result!!!!

It has to be something out there, or something wrong with this bodytype..(or just me)

Oh, btw, when I exercised, I used both machines and free weights (FW only on upper body -except triceps pull-down) On legs, I did squats with semi-heavy weights -actually pretty heavy for me, standing calves ie.: 8x225lbx3, but wasn't growing..

Should I just use my own bodyweight or light weights? I really like her body -tights little thick, but OK-, however she is not big but muscular, nice arms, too!!
http://www.jamieeason.com/swimwear.htm

[gymgurl]

Hey girl, I am in the same boat

I hate my lower body, it seems to have a mind of its own..I like my top half, but bottom half is kinda huge..and my waist couldn't be tinier..(dammit)..

Anyway, lets try and beat this together, I think we are pretty much the same height and weight...

GOOD LUCK!!

P.S. yes I have been an obsessed gym goer for 2 years, but watching my diet has been low on the priority scale for those 2 years..I am going to change that now though

[arose70]

for both of you...you have to post your diet--what do you eat everyday and how many cals, grams of protein/carbs/fat do you get?

mudy--most likely your legs did not get thick from working them---it was from your diet.

To look like jamie eason you lift hard and heavy and have your diet in check. Notice she has little body fat with a (even though I hate the expression) 'toned' appearance? That is from lifting hard and eating clean consistently. She didn't get that way by doing only cardio and you can't either.

Post up your exact diet. Then post up your exact workout. Then we can help more.

[mudy]

Thank you!

I think it wouldn't be useful to post my diet, since it is not a diet, nor a plan.
I don't know what I should eat,I only know I have to reduce fat (what are good fat??), reduce carbs (what are good carbs?), what is processed food?

I am willing to lift weight, I did it untill 3 months ago but 1st post why I left out. I do now cardio, 30 mins 2-3-4 times a week.
I do not know what I should lift, I mean the weight, what is too much for me, what is not enough?How many reps etc. I did this one bpart a week,which didn't really work for me...

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Ok, let's see for example what I did today.
In this gym, I never lifted, only did cardio, so I am just getting familiar what is where.
Also, this is not my regular daily rutine. I normally at work during the day, get out about 7PM and can't cook there -when I get home if I went to gym for 30 mins cardio- is at least 9PM.
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I ate:
2slice of WW bread (Weight watcher's style, 2 slice 90Cal)
With 1Tbsp peanut butter (whole foods market, do it yourself from fresh peanuts)
Small coffee with splenda with 1/3 c whole milk -normally I have skim but not today
Half of a Danone light and fit yogurt 30Cal
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Later I scoop Isopure prot powder with water
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Lettuce (Dole Green salads)
some sunflower seeds and walnuts
I orange sliced in
Chiken breast (I made a brine, salt,pepper,mustard powder, paprika and a little teriyaki sauce, let is sit for about 45mins. Grilled in George Foreman Lean mean..) Ate about 2 slices on 0.5 inch thick, d=6-7 inch.
Wild, dark brown rice (2tbsp, cooked with diced carrots, peas and mushroom)
Asparagus canned(1/3 cup about)
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Exersice
Legpress 3x15
Sitting Legcurl 3x15
Leg extention 3x15
Hip abduction 4x15
Made it nice and slow, held a little on positive stat.
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3/4 scoop Isopure
1tsp honey
3tbsp Whole milk
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Same lettuce as earlier, same rice, little seeds (1tsp of sunflower, walnut), asparagus, NO CHICKEN -so I can bring some tomorrow with me
Half Light and fit yog.

So there you are, you may critisize!
Thanks

[dragonpit]

1. Water ( 1-2 gallons)
2. Walking (1/2 hr a day)
3. Fish oils (2-4 gms a day)

And just eat clean especially salmon and tilapia

[mudy]

OK, I gotta edit it, I dont want to put it ina new section
I did have like 32Fl Oz water during workout and some before and after too..
Can't walk when I am at work...

I LOVE raw salmon but I hate cooked, so fishy, have to cover it with nuts or something and bake/fry on canola oil -this is what I mainly use- to stomach it..


Anything else??

[mudy]

Today I am not gonna have the time to go to gym, so I am going tomorrow for an other lift/cardio set. See, I already feel bad that it wont fit in my daily rutine..

Do you guys like Precor and Cybex, withouth arm? I cant run or do steps, got a little asthma..

[arose70]

That leg workout needs some help...

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/index.php is a good sight for you.

Your diet seems very low in calories--1200 maybe?

Boost that up a bit with protein at dinner and the whole cup of yogurt in the morning and at night.

[mudy]

Thanks!

Well, "normally" I do lungs and squats, too but yesterday I didn't want to overwork myself and not be able to get up in the morning -no pain at all, I actually like the pain...

Let me see that site ..

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Today I ate:
1 pack of Kashi Apple oatmeal (same calorie as the plain) with water 150cal
6 oz coffee, 2 oz milk, splenda
Half of a yoghurt 30cal

1 slice of toasted bread with 1 tbsp peanut butter
few cubes of honeydew, 2 slices of oranges

Little of the brown rice mixture, greens -lettuce-, grilled chicken, about the amount of yesterdays

1 pack of Kashi oatmeal with 1/2 scoop of Isupure

Lettuce, 3almonds, 3 hazelnuts, 3 tbsp sugarfree orange jam


100 crunches

Opinion and any other comments would be appreciated again!

Thanks.

[evosil98]

You need to eat more protein and healthy fats in every meal. Looking at your diet you need to eat more food.

Here is an example of a 1,500 cal cut diet from Scivation/Primaforce by Chuck Rudolph, Med, RD , Marc Lobliner and Derek Charlebois. THere are also 1,200 up to 4,000 cal diets.

Cut diet 1,500 (eat meal every 2-3 hours)
Meal 1
6 egg whites
1 whole egg
1 oz grilled chicken
1 cup steamed spinach
6 almonds
8 oz PEELED ruby red grapefruit – Splenda packets can be used to sweeten if desired

Meal 2
1.5 scoops SUBSTANCE Protein Powder + 5g GlutaForm
4 tsp peanut butter or 12 almonds or 2 oz avocado
1 cup steamed Broccoli or asparagus or green beans

Meal 3
5 oz Chicken or halibut or Sirloin fillet or Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water) or LEAN turkey breast
1 cup Steamed Broccoli or Asparagus or Green beans or 1 cup Lettuce, 1/4 cup Tomato and 1/4 cucumber
4 tsp peanut butter or 12 almonds or 2 oz avocado or 1 oz avocado, 2TBSP Reduced Fat Dressing

Meal 4
4 oz Chicken or halibut or Sirloin fillet or Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water) or LEAN turkey breast
1 cup Steamed Broccoli or Asparagus or Green beans or 1 cup Lettuce, 1/4 cup Tomato and 1/4 cucumber
4 tsp peanut butter or 12 almonds or 2 oz avocado or 1 oz avocado, 2TBSP Reduced Fat Dressing

Meal 5
1.5 scoops SUBSTANCE Protein Powder + 5g GlutaForm
12 almonds
½ cup steamed Broccoli or asparagus or green beans

Meal 6
4 oz Chicken or halibut or Sirloin fillet or Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water) or LEAN turkey breast
½ cup steamed Broccoli or asparagus or green beans
1 oz avocado

Protein – 192g = 768 Calories, Carbohydrates (not including Carbohydrate night) – 65g = 260 Calories, Fat – 55g = 495 Calories
Total Calories – 1523 Calories NON-carbohydrate night
Total Calories – 1821 – Carbohydrate nights

Every 18th meal is the Carb meal. It is the last meal and it replaces Meal 6. The Carb Meal must be eaten in this order.

1. 1 cup steamed green beans or asparagus
2. ½ cup oatmeal (measured dry then add water and microwave) 2 tbsp raisins 4-6 packets splenda for sweetening 12 almonds used in oatmeal
3. 5 oz yam or sweet potato 2 tsp peanut butter or almond butter 4-6 packets splenda for sweetening.

You can clearly see the difference of food choices and amounts. You also need to lift heavy weights and of course cardio. I hope this helps and good luck. Stay motivated and you will get there.

[mudy]

Hi Evo,
Thanks a lot!!

This is great! But, I think 1500Cal is a little much for me.

I did a 1300 with Heavy weights -as you suggested- and instead of slimming I was thickening Which I dont want.

Also, are you saying that I shouldn't eat oatmeal -as I did yesterday and doing now- for breakfast?

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Arose, that site is pretty helpful and explains a lot of things I dodn't know before.

WHAT IS negative reps???

[evosil98]

What do you mean thickening? I'm guessing your gaining some muscle, which looks like your getting thick but since your diet is not in check , the fat is not coming off. Weight lifting gets you stronger and adds lean muscle, diet losses the fat. I don't know what females normal cal intake are but I think 1,500 is a pretty good starting point. Its better to start a little high to preserve and even gain muscle and as you loss fat , then you can slowly drop the cals as the weeks go by. If you start to low, ya you might loss the weight a little faster but I can guarantee you it's going to be your lean muscle, which is not good.

Oatmeal is great carb source. This diet is a carb cycle type of diet, I don't want to get into much detail because I don't want to give misinformation about this diet but the guys at Scivation are great guys and know what they are doing. They hang out in the Derek Charlebois' Contest Prep Section on this forum, which is located a few section above. If you have any questions about this type of diet, you should ask them and they are always willing to help. They also have a book thats called Game Over which is free and you only need to pay shipping.

They are alot of great diet programs out there and you have to see what works best for you.

You can give negative reps when another member gives very bad advice or is being a dumb troll but it doesn't always work that way. Positive Reputaions are the opposite, pretty much when a member gives good advice and was being very help " like me", I had to put that in there. If you need, there is a 1,200 cal diet but I think that might be to low. Good luck

[mudy]

Hi!
Thanks for you too!

Nono, I lifted heavy and my diet was clean. As I wrote above, I had no kinds of wheat, bread of course, no milk, no yoghurt only FF mozarella sometimes and FF cottage cheese, mostly every day. Oatmeal or cram of wheat for breakfast only. No fruits because of the fructose, no soy, no fat (cooked with canola oil) and I had 1 day or 1 meal a week to cheat. Combined with my average of 2 hours exercise, lifting mostly free weights. Everything is above in the first few posts, I just don't know what went wrong.
I do eat now whole wheat bread (in my meal list, you see above), I eat yoghurt, only Danone light and fit and FF ***e Greek yogurt (http://www.totalgreekyoghurt.com/). I also eat fruits, very rarely FF milk.

Today I was at work all day, barely had some time so breath..

I had:
1 pack of oatmeal (Honey/apple)with 1 small pack of soy lecithin oatmeal(almond)
1 Light n fit yogurt
7oz coffee with 1 oz whole milk

Apple

2 slices of ww bread with anpb and SF orange jam
4 cubes of honey dew
4oz red wine
4oz diet RC

1 scoop Isopure w. water and a half of a small banana

3 grapes, 2 small pinapple, 3 mini carrotts

A slice of chicken breast on
greens (dole green mix)
5 almonds
3 hazelnut
1 slice of sundried tomato in oil
2 tbsp asparagus in can
2 tbsp SF orange jam


Exercise after work, I didn't have much time to work out, the gym was closing.
Sitting legcurl 3x15
Kickback 3x18, each leg
Hib abduction 3x20

10 minutes cybex
gym closed

By negative reps, I red somewhere that someone reached the goal by doing negative reps (like there is the pyramid.. ) Sorry if I was not clear, I didnt mean negative replies or positive replies to questions.

Thanks all

[Shivati]

Originally Posted by mudy

Hi Evo,
Thanks a lot!!

This is great! But, I think 1500Cal is a little much for me.

I did a 1300 with Heavy weights -as you suggested- and instead of slimming I was thickening Which I dont want.

Also, are you saying that I shouldn't eat oatmeal -as I did yesterday and doing now- for breakfast?

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Arose, that site is pretty helpful and explains a lot of things I dodn't know before.

WHAT IS negative reps???

theres some really great calculators for calories and such on bb.com.
for me personally i am at around 1450 to lose weight.... i an actually go higher and will still lose just slower.

mudy you have tyo stop believeing that starving yourself is the key and it's very unlikely you gained weight on a deficient diet that didnt have an ampel amount of protein unless it was your body holding onto fat. Try the calculators and if they show you you need such an extremely low amount... maybe your not active enough? I personally am seeing results after a LONG plateau. I am eating 1400-1600 cal a day, doing about 100-120 min of cardio a week, i change it up as far as amount/ what type every day (i hate cardio). I lift 4 days a week with this routine: chest/shoulders.... back... legs... arms.

i when that stops working (about every 3 months you should change up your routine) ill go back to push/ pull/ leg & shoulder and day 4 maybe some abs :P i dont do abs because i teach belly dance and well... i have pretty stong abs. (especially my obliques.... real stretched out.... i sware i feel taller)

btw i do these squats (which i may have made up on my own) i call them dancer squats... stand on angle one foot slightly ahead the other on tippey toes, with 10lbs or more in each hand and with a str8t back go down !do not release tension! and stand str8t up. You wont be about to do many of thoes unless your a ballerina.... but great for the legs. Guys i dare u try it. Stay on tipey toes... works calves thru quad.

that sciavation meal plan he recommended is great and so is that website with the chic doing a barbell squat! As far as the question as how much you should lift.... well im bias. I was a wimpy wimpy wimp all my life and still am alittle bit. For the first time in 5 years i am now starting to see substancial muscle growth especially in my arms and i LOVE IT! So i life as heavy as my body allows and still have good safe form. Thats my recommendation but others may disagree. Start with the 45lb bar use it for your squarts, press and deadlift and then start adding the weights in increments of 5-10. Every week you wil discover you can do more and more and it is VERY encouraging!

[355 Spyder]

Mudy - I will make this short and to the point:

1. Your diet will determine 80% of your success. If you are not making progress the first place to look is your diet. For cutting diet is paramount. You have to plan ahead and eat exactly as planned. There is no shortcut.

2. Someone posted Chuck's 1500 calorie diet. On Chucks website there is a 1200 calorie diet. Start that asap and listen to your body. If you cut too fast or too slow adjust accordingly.

3. Have a good workout split - 3 days lifting with 3 days cardio should be fine. Workout will give you only about 10% of your results. The balance will come from rest i.e. sleep.

Good Luck!

[mudy]

Hello everybody!

Thans for the advice!
Shivati, I AM scared of the heavy weight because this is what made me thick tights. Can't recall, someone told me that if I like jamie Eason's muscles, I don't have to lift heavy, just moderate, otherwise I will get big. On on her site, I think she is just in the shape I dont call big nor small.


Also, I can not find chuck's 1200 Calorie plan, do you know a link? I found a 2500 and 3000 but obviously those are not good for me! And yes, I do need a plan, I can not just eat whatever comes up in my head..

Oh, a cheat day fits or should I leave it out till Xmas? I am already scared of xmas' good food..

[evosil98]

Hi mudy, I think your motivated to start and wanting to change your life , which is great.

I'm still not understanding what you mean that lifting weights got you thick, again I have an idea that your diet wasn't in check so you didn't loss the fat and probably gained some lean muscle which looked like you got thick. Lifting heavy weights don't give you thick tights, the fat around the muscle does.

What do you mean by moderate lifting? I hope you don't mean lifting those pink dumbells for 20-30 reps to get that "toned" look, man I hate that word. I hope a few females can back me up here but I can guarantee you that you will not get big. Most woman does not have enought testosterone to build hugh amounts of muscle to become big. Even if they tried, it takes many many years of intense weight training, very strict diet and in some cases the use of drugs to become "big".

I just checked out Jamie Eason's website that you posted above and I can tell you that she didn't get a body like that by lifting moderate weights. Looking at the pictures she has a good amount of muslce mass and low body fat. She gained muscle by lifting heavy and dropped her bodyfat with a good diet.

I still think 1,500 is a good start because you can always drop the cals when you plateau. But if you start at 1,200cals and the weight stops dropping, then what are you going to do, drop to a 1,000 cals or 900cals diet and I think that is way to low. But your a grown person and have to make your own decisions. Heres the link to the 1,200 cal diet from scivation/Primaforce by Chuck Rudolph, Med, RD , Marc Lobliner and Derek Charlebois http://www.cutdiet.com/cdforwomen.htm Good Luck

[mi_*ke]

Sounds like your body is in starvation mode. If it thinks that you are not feeding it properly, it will try to conserve energy by not burning the stores of fat that it has. It is wondering if it will get another proper meal! Try to feed it more while still all the cardio and weights that u can. Daily meal plan.
1st meal . 1 cup raisen bran with no fat milk.
2nd meal: 10.00 am. 1 cup plain oatmeal with splenda.
3rd meal: noon can of tuna with raw carrots and an apple
4th meal: 3pm 1 cup plain oatmeal with splenda. or a small yogrt ( no fat )
5th meal: 6 pm chicken breast, green beans, salad
6th meal: maybe raw carrots, with ranch (no fat) dressing for a snack

If you feed it the good stuff and plenty of it you can train all u want and not be hungry and u will obtain your goals. Remember what took 10 years to put on will not come off in 10 days!

[Shivati]

Originally Posted by evosil98

Hi mudy, I think your motivated to start and wanting to change your life , which is great.

I'm still not understanding what you mean that lifting weights got you thick, again I have an idea that your diet wasn't in check so you didn't loss the fat and probably gained some lean muscle which looked like you got thick. Lifting heavy weights don't give you thick tights, the fat around the muscle does.

What do you mean by moderate lifting? I hope you don't mean lifting those pink dumbells for 20-30 reps to get that "toned" look, man I hate that word. I hope a few females can back me up here but I can guarantee you that you will not get big. Most woman does not have enought testosterone to build hugh amounts of muscle to become big. Even if they tried, it takes many many years of intense weight training, very strict diet and in some cases the use of drugs to become "big".

I just checked out Jamie Eason's website that you posted above and I can tell you that she didn't get a body like that by lifting moderate weights. Looking at the pictures she has a good amount of muslce mass and low body fat. She gained muscle by lifting heavy and dropped her bodyfat with a good diet.

I still think 1,500 is a good start because you can always drop the cals when you plateau. But if you start at 1,200cals and the weight stops dropping, then what are you going to do, drop to a 1,000 cals or 900cals diet and I think that is way to low. But your a grown person and have to make your own decisions. Heres the link to the 1,200 cal diet from scivation/Primaforce by Chuck Rudolph, Med, RD , Marc Lobliner and Derek Charlebois http://www.cutdiet.com/cdforwomen.htm Good Luck

evo ill back u up.... this is try you wont get "thick". there are woman that WOULD LOVE to "get thick" and BUST THEIR asses doing 3x's the weights i do and still arent "thick" or "bulky" or look like men. These woman would curse you darling if you really had the secret genetic code to building awesome quads. And the term toned only means your bf % is low enough to see some muscle. Its a bs term for womans world magazines. But i say these things to help educate you and encourage you even if they sound a little... sarcastic. With patrience and knowledge you can achieve.

As for the Christmas question.... it really depends... see some ppl can have 'cheat' days that arent binge days, and some ppl cant. This is a hard one for me. Hard to not go over board. Id say dont "schedule" cheat days or meals (like every sunday etc). But if a holiday party, family meal, event comes around... plan to enjoy it and dont over do it. After the holidays get strict and if you feel the need for a cheat... cheat meals are much better than cheat days.

[Shivati]

Originally Posted by mi_*ke

Sounds like your body is in starvation mode. If it thinks that you are not feeding it properly, it will try to conserve energy by not burning the stores of fat that it has. It is wondering if it will get another proper meal! Try to feed it more while still all the cardio and weights that u can. Daily meal plan.
1st meal . 1 cup raisen bran with no fat milk.
2nd meal: 10.00 am. 1 cup plain oatmeal with splenda.
3rd meal: noon can of tuna with raw carrots and an apple
4th meal: 3pm 1 cup plain oatmeal with splenda. or a small yogrt ( no fat )
5th meal: 6 pm chicken breast, green beans, salad
6th meal: maybe raw carrots, with ranch (no fat) dressing for a snack

If you feed it the good stuff and plenty of it you can train all u want and not be hungry and u will obtain your goals. Remember what took 10 years to put on will not come off in 10 days!

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good meal plan mike but not enough protein, change that glass of milk in meal one to a protein shake and have cottage cheese with them carrots. theres also no fat whatso ever there.... you need good fats...NEED, your brain cant function without it.

[mudy]

Thanks Everyone!

No, I did not mean the little pink ones. I meant like: I can do a 20 lb barbell biceps 4-5 or whatever times, I would lower the weight, so I can do more reps. ???

My legs I guess gained muscles, but big (thick) muscles not nice and small ones, and to spots/parts where I don't want to be "thicker". I know a person, she is not fat, you can tell on her positure, legs and all, that she works out a lot without asking her. But she has big muscles not smal (lean?)muscles, like Jamie or other fitness women.
OK, who's got thick..Beyonce. ..She's also thick, check the pic with the pink dress on this lady. http://www.jennifertom.com/EyeCandy1.html I don't want that. I was called by someone meety -I got it as a compliment, by the way...
I also like hers, totally normal, slim. Mine technically is the same shape except when I gain all the fat goes on the tight where it jumps out a little on her, so I look more wider. After doing the heavy weights I got thicker right above the knees too, see on her : http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/photo.p...ook%20Pictures

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As about the plan. Thanks for all of you!

When I did this strickt diet and the workout -the one I got thicker from..- I was about 115lb. I still needed to shred my fat off from my tights, hips and ass but I was suggested to do a 1200-1300 Cal meal/day, 40P 30F 30Ch ratio. SO I am affraid again that if I ate more that 1200 now (since I am about 122lb now) and back then I was 115 and did that much and I gained, I am going to do again. I would be veeerrrry mad. Or out of my mind..Cant fit in my old pants I used to thru the summer..

I just bought plain lowfat soymilk (the fatfree had a lot of sugar in and more carbs), I cant really drink milk.

I am going to that site and see that 1200 cal meal plan.

Thanks a lot again!!!!
Cheers

[Shivati]

whats your body fat % mudy. i think you should find out and have a goal % and go for that. you should stop focusing on the 'thigh fat thing' because i think its unhealthy and will only blunt your progress. if you bf% is low, then you may have a body image problem, it may be (please dont take this wrong!!) 'in your head' or maybe not fully in your head but may deal with deep rooted emotional issues (your self image).

and i dont know your nationally dear but it may be genetic... i am half black, its NOT a stereotype.... my butt/ thighs are the way they are partially because i am genetically pre-disposed to carry fat there. even my moms thats 6ft 130 lbs has a bigger bottom. you may have to accept this is how your bodies going to be EVEN if you get down to a low weight.

but seriously..... body fat %
best way to keep a real perspective on things.