The Acne Puzzle Revealed!

[Vanquish39]

The kombucha has probiotics already in there and everyday i drink something called Miracle greens.

The organic flax already has some protein in there so it will help.

[Vanquish39]

ElMariachi can I get your personal response to the regimen I have?

[Vanquish39]

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[Vanquish39]

I think the coconut oil gives cramps..

[CY.]

I think the coconut oil gives cramps..

Are you using virgin/extra virgin coconut oil?

Generally coconut oil should help with cramps and bowel problems....

[cows_r_yummy]

JESUS CHRIST! im asian and all i eat is white rice and spices! MY GOD.. IM SO UGLY.. cant really change it though, i just wash my face every morning/night and try not to touch little things on my face, becuase they usually end up being bigger if i do.

[CY.]

JESUS CHRIST! im asian and all i eat is white rice and spices! MY GOD.. IM SO UGLY.. cant really change it though, i just wash my face every morning/night and try not to touch little things on my face, becuase they usually end up being bigger if i do.

No kidding?

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Seems you'd be eating cows too considering your name...and thats not helping acne either.....

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..troll..

[ElMariachi]

ElMariachi can I get your personal response to the regimen I have?

Seems like you know what you are doing, the coconut oil is especially beneficial, if you use the right kind. It needs to be cold-pressed, and organic. Garden of Life makes my favorite, but there are many varieties. I usually take a serving of coconut oil in the morning, with breakfast, and I've noticed that it has pushed my energy levels way up. I also usually take one at night, with a little bit of egg protein.


I love to have a fresh squeezed lemon with water in the morning, that was one of the first things I started doing to help improve my rosacea, and when I don't drink it, I notice that my digestion is a little more sluggish, a bit off. Its definitely worth it considering how cheap lemons are.


I can't drink that Kombucha stuff though, I tried it once, I felt like gagging, heh



I do take saw palmetto, a multi, and I also throw in some added B2 since it is especially beneficial for those who have(it never really vanishes entirely) rosacea.


To me, the key nutrients for skin/acne support would be.


EFA's....EFA's....EFA's.


Lecithin.

Vitamin E

Vitamin A(in beta-carotene form is best)

Selenium(careful with the doses though, even a bit too much selenium is not a good thing)

Plenty of zinc and B vitamins in the diet, along with potassium, which most people don't get enough of anyways. Low-sodium V8 is absolutely LOADED with potassium, one glass has almost twice the potassium of a regular banana.

[Punjabi2007]

reading all the facts on acne i feel that the causes vary from person to person because each persons body is different and reacts differntly

[Vanquish39]

To the people who posted a thread on December 5. Read the thread and you should learn that antibiotics are not the true idea!

[Vanquish39]

CY and Mariachi so far the regimen has been going for about 3 days and so far I haven't seen a single result. I still have pimples from the previous breakouts. I think that I would see results in about 3 weeks because pimples take about 2-3 weeks to form. :-/ Just a theory.

[CY.]

CY and Mariachi so far the regimen has been going for about 3 days and so far I haven't seen a single result. I still have pimples from the previous breakouts. I think that I would see results in about 3 weeks because pimples take about 2-3 weeks to form. :-/ Just a theory.

Well the regimen pretty much works to prevent new breakouts. However, a good side effect is that the current pimples should become less aggrivated as hormones even out. The pimples will take as long as they need to heal, and that is not affected by the regimen much, except that your antioxidants help the skin to heal (as well as the kombucha). I suggest applying aloe vera gel on your entire face 3-4 times a day to speed healing. CVS makes a cheap aloe vera gel that's pretty effective.

Another thing that may help is to take the herb Echinacea. Echinacea is an immune boosting herb that will help fight the infections in your skin. I make my own blend of various Echinacea species with garlic and cayanne + habanero peppers. I also add goldenseal to it. You can probably find Echinacea (or echinacea + goldenseal) in a local drugstore/grocery store.

Like milk thistle, Echinacea must be cycled. I recommend 2 weeks on, 1 week off, or 5 days on, 3 days off.

[Vanquish39]

I have a aloe vera plant at home. I probably will take some leaves from it and put it on.

[Wcustom]

Went to see a chinese doctor one time about my skin, he also said it had to do with your body internally. This info is so helpful, thanks a lot man.

[Vanquish39]

Welcome WCustom!

[Luke530]

this is pretty rediculous.

people who have acne will believe anything just to try another "cure"

nobody knows what causes it. I had a very mild case, and i absolutely do not follow any part of the diet regimen. it's almost comical.

washing helps, but only so much.
benzol peroxide may or may not work. it tends to irritate the skin.

if your acne is only on your face, it's not you "diet"
maybe if you are getting acne everywhere, something is internally wrong, and you MAY want a detox.

by all means, if you have acne, try whatever, maybe even change your diet to a "detox" diet.

just don't wash your face too much 2-3x per day, maximum.
try a soap/paraben free cleanser 1-2x per day, and maybe a salycilic acid cleanser or pad 1x per day (for a total of 2-3).
don't irritate. just keep it clean. use a facial mosturizer.

[Vanquish39]

Luke please don't tell us what is wrong or right. From the information you have provided, I can see that you don't know as much as we do. So in our case we are correct and you should go research yourself and find out of the wierdest coincidence, you would find mostly all the same answers you found on this thread. So please, don't ruin it for others if you don't believe this issue.

-Cheerio

[Luke530]

Luke please don't tell us what is wrong or right. From the information you have provided, I can see that you don't know as much as we do. So in our case we are correct and you should go research yourself and find out of the wierdest coincidence, you would find mostly all the same answers you found on this thread. So please, don't ruin it for others if you don't believe this issue.

-Cheerio

believe what you want, it's not like I care to convince anyone otherwise...

you can see the I don't know as much as "you" do... that's an "out-there" statement. How do you know what I know? Do you know the cause of acne has not yet been found?

truth is...
people eat like ****, drink tons of pop, lots of sugar, blah blah blah and have perfectly clear skin.
I have seen plenty of people with elevated liver enzymes, jaundice, and clear skin.
I have seen people take aas and break out, or keep their very clear skin.

You cannot directly, with evidence, relate internal "toxicity" with acne.
...then again, what do i know...

(just some "food for thought")

[CY.]

believe what you want, it's not like I care to convince anyone otherwise...

Believe what you want. If you are hurting yourself, thats not our problem.

you can see the I don't know as much as "you" do... that's an "out-there" statement. How do you know what I know? Do you know the cause of acne has not yet been found?

Unfortunately, when there is nothing else to measure, we must judge a book by its cover. That is your case. The info you provided has been corrected already many times in the thread. And yes, the cause*es* of acne have been known. I'm not going into it because that, too, has also been covered many times in the thread.

truth is...
people eat like ****, drink tons of pop, lots of sugar, blah blah blah and have perfectly clear skin.
I have seen plenty of people with elevated liver enzymes, jaundice, and clear skin.
I have seen people take aas and break out, or keep their very clear skin.

That is the truth.
Everyone's different. Acne is a very complicated disorder. There are hundreds of causes, and you cannot expect every single person who suffers from acne to be treated the same way. We're just providing a method that will benefit a broad range of people, especially teenagers.

You cannot directly, with evidence, relate internal "toxicity" with acne.

Yes you can.
When a person's body is overloaded with waste (from bad diet and habits), that person may get acne, depending on his or her body (remember, everyone's different. Some people can handle more than others, and can handle situations differently). When the other organs are overloaded with the job of removing toxins and waste, the skin (which is an excretory organ as well), must work harder and excrete more. The acne bacteria flourishes from this cellular debris and waste (which also builds up in the pores, and if the right conditions are there, ie. excess oil, the pore can become blocked) in the same way that the bacteria living in your underarms lives off waste excreted there by your lymphatic system. In addition to that, the other organs (liver, kidneys, etc) that are working harder to remove waste must reduce the capacity for which they handle other body processess, including maintaining the skin. And this is just an overview.

...then again, what do i know...

(just some "food for thought")

You know what commercialism wants you to know. Are you proud?

You yourself said you only had a case of 'mild' acne. I doubt you had true acne. I also doubt that you did any serious deep research (this means the library, books, journals, as well as the internet). You have the right to say what you want, but in this case you do not have the experience to comment on what's right or wrong.

[CY.]

I have a aloe vera plant at home. I probably will take some leaves from it and put it on.

Good

Fresh is always better.

[CY.]

Went to see a chinese doctor one time about my skin, he also said it had to do with your body internally. This info is so helpful, thanks a lot man.

I love Chinese herbs. The smell of an herb shop is just so wonderful....

Remember though, if you use Chinese herbal remedies, they take TIME. The effects of the herbs build up over use. Therefor, you must be paitent.

[Luke530]

Believe what you want. If you are hurting yourself, thats not our problem.



Unfortunately, when there is nothing else to measure, we must judge a book by its cover. That is your case. The info you provided has been corrected already many times in the thread. And yes, the cause*es* of acne have been known. I'm not going into it because that, too, has also been covered many times in the thread.



That is the truth.
Everyone's different. Acne is a very complicated disorder. There are hundreds of causes, and you cannot expect every single person who suffers from acne to be treated the same way. We're just providing a method that will benefit a broad range of people, especially teenagers.



Yes you can.
When a person's body is overloaded with waste (from bad diet and habits), that person may get acne, depending on his or her body (remember, everyone's different. Some people can handle more than others, and can handle situations differently). When the other organs are overloaded with the job of removing toxins and waste, the skin (which is an excretory organ as well), must work harder and excrete more. The acne bacteria flourishes from this cellular debris and waste (which also builds up in the pores, and if the right conditions are there, ie. excess oil, the pore can become blocked) in the same way that the bacteria living in your underarms lives off waste excreted there by your lymphatic system. In addition to that, the other organs (liver, kidneys, etc) that are working harder to remove waste must reduce the capacity for which they handle other body processess, including maintaining the skin. And this is just an overview.



You know what commercialism wants you to know. Are you proud?

You yourself said you only had a case of 'mild' acne. I doubt you had true acne. I also doubt that you did any serious deep research (this means the library, books, journals, as well as the internet). You have the right to say what you want, but in this case you do not have the experience to comment on what's right or wrong.

Well... I can definately say I like the response.

Yes, there is no evidence diet can change acne, and as you said, there are possibly hundreds of causes. I'm sure it's a possibility, but to what extent>

If you ares suffereing from strong acne, I highly doubt a change in diet will make it go away. Hormones and the overproduction of oil in sebaceous glands have a lot larger part to do with it then diet.

What commercialism wants me to know? I've spoken to doctors, and dermatologists when I started to break out and it was getting worse and worse. It lasted just under a year for me, and I did gather quite a bit of info. I'm sure a dermatologist, who is also a family friend, would not lie very much nor would med school give him false information...

[CY.]

Well... I can definately say I like the response.

Yes, there is no evidence diet can change acne, and as you said, there are possibly hundreds of causes. I'm sure it's a possibility, but to what extent>

If you ares suffereing from strong acne, I highly doubt a change in diet will make it go away. Hormones and the overproduction of oil in sebaceous glands have a lot larger part to do with it then diet.

Overproduction of oil usually is only a side effect of unbalanced hormones. Unbalanced hormones can be corrected with diet, and it has been discussed to great extent in the thread, if you bothered to read it . I myself, as well as many others in this thread, have reported good results when using a diet based approach to correcting hormones and fighting acne.

What commercialism wants me to know? I've spoken to doctors, and dermatologists when I started to break out and it was getting worse and worse. It lasted just under a year for me, and I did gather quite a bit of info. I'm sure a dermatologist, who is also a family friend, would not lie very much nor would med school give him false information...

Who do you think provides the information to educate these dermatologists? The government? haha...

Independent research does most of the research, and although they might sound like they're on your side, in the world of acne, if an independent researcher discovers something, he just takes it to make money. This is how companies like Proactive and Skintactix are formed. People are obviously willing to pay to clear their skin with minimal work.

This is the reason you yourself still do not know the causes of acne (and you referred to it as the 'cause.' As I explained, there are hundreds of causes. Only companies or uninformed persons will tell you that acne has a single unknown cause. Not to insult you just making a point. Sorry if its harsh). Companies create a maze so that acne looks much harder to understand than it really is, and so that their product will be glorified and you will buy it.

In all of this, where do the dermatologists get their information from? They are educated to treat paitents under ideas that 'acne is the result of overproductive oil glands,' 'diet has nothing to do with acne,' and 'the cause of acne is unknown' from information provided by companies. In this way, the companies manage to keep their products in focus while shoving alternative treatments under the couch. Dermatologists, people, and thousands of websites (and quite a few websites that are truly trying to help) repeat the information provided by companies and help those companies keep their buisness. The number of dermatologists that treat paitents by the words of a company greatly outnumber dermatologists that seek alternative routes of treatment. On these forums, ElMariachi works in dermatology and has had good success with his paitents and a diet based approach.

It may not be that your family friend is lying to you, he just probably doesn't know better. After all, his methods are only as good as what he's been taught.

I hope you don't feel as if I've attacked you. I really don't mean it that way. I'm just trying to show you the other side to what you've said.

[Vanquish39]

cy did you know that kombucha is a chinese herb...?

[CY.]

Kombucha isn't really a herb. It's more like a slab of several organisims that live together happily (they're symbiotic). Kombu is a type of seaweed, and in Kantonese, 'cha' means 'tea', however I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the name 'Kombucha.'

[marcFE]

Just figured I'de throw this out here for anyone who says that acne and diet have no correlation


I had been eating really good for about a week straight, my acne was clearing up extremely nicely and I loved it, had absolutely no white heads which I tend to always have, and the red marks were nearly all gone. I went out with some buddies and went partying, involved alot of alcohol and a ton of ****ty food, didn't think much of it since ****ty food and alcohol tend to go hand in hand. Got home from drinking and looked in the mirror, before I left I had absolutely no white heads, after I had like 5 forming all over my face. Say what you want, but I personally believe there is definately something more to acne then only genetics when prior to this I would have none or occasionally one whitehead form during the day and suddenly when I eat like **** and drink, I end up with 5.

O well lesson learned, time to get back to the diet, gonna try drinking without eating like **** next time and see what happens(which is EXTREMELY hard because your mental capacity to say no to food isn't exactly at its peak )

[CY.]

Just figured I'de throw this out here for anyone who says that acne and diet have no correlation


I had been eating really good for about a week straight, my acne was clearing up extremely nicely and I loved it, had absolutely no white heads which I tend to always have, and the red marks were nearly all gone. I went out with some buddies and went partying, involved alot of alcohol and a ton of ****ty food, didn't think much of it since ****ty food and alcohol tend to go hand in hand. Got home from drinking and looked in the mirror, before I left I had absolutely no white heads, after I had like 5 forming all over my face. Say what you want, but I personally believe there is definately something more to acne then only genetics when prior to this I would have none or occasionally one whitehead form during the day and suddenly when I eat like **** and drink, I end up with 5.

O well lesson learned, time to get back to the diet, gonna try drinking without eating like **** next time and see what happens(which is EXTREMELY hard because your mental capacity to say no to food isn't exactly at its peak )

Thanks for posting this. However, the alcohol probably isn't helping your acne either. Alcohol really encumbers the liver.

[marcFE]

Thanks for posting this. However, the alcohol probably isn't helping your acne either. Alcohol really encumbers the liver.

Haha I know first time drinking in 2 weeks and prob won't again for a while

[CY.]

Haha I know first time drinking in 2 weeks and prob won't again for a while

[CY.]

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