help bulking up

[RONNY_ZZR]

help me with bulking pls.i am confused between X-factor and jungle warfare.i want to bulk up thats it.both these suppliments seem good.

and what shud i satck with em.or just standalone of either will be beneficial.

currently on budget.

i also thought white blood,green budge stack.

bulking is my greatest concern.any help and advice is appreciated.

[MAX-OT-IVAN]

I keep it simple:

Protein
Creatine
Glutamine
Tribulus
BCAA's

More importantly, are you taking in enough calories and breaking up your nutrients properly (protein,carbs,fats)? You are welcome to look at my bodyblog to see an example of my current bulking diet.

Also, your training program must be built around gaining muscle.. Insufficient muscle overload will result in insufficient muscle gains.

Good luck :-D

[Shutup]

JW might be the most effective of the lot.

I did see you're on a budget, but, if you were to stack creatine/arginine/x-factor and JW you'd be more effective.

[UnionHooligan]

Originally Posted by RONNY_ZZR

help me with bulking pls.i am confused between X-factor and jungle warfare.i want to bulk up thats it.both these suppliments seem good.

and what shud i satck with em.or just standalone of either will be beneficial.

currently on budget.

i also thought white blood,green budge stack.

bulking is my greatest concern.any help and advice is appreciated.

As i am sure you know diet is #1. Then get your basics
Protein
Multi
Fish Oil
Creatine

My feeling on X-factor are from the logs i have read i am sure it works but the joint pain sides and the no NSAIDS and deminished effect of taking Fish oil with it has always caused me to shy away from taking it.

[RONNY_ZZR]

thanks friends, i am now on CEE,whey,BCAA. and now i want something extra to help me in bulking for atleast 3 months.pure bulk .i am taking good care of my pro/fat/carbs intake.

shud i go for the above mentioned things such as JW or Xfactor or shud i add NO product or anything.

[RONNY_ZZR]

hey thanks max-ot-evan.i will see ur bodyblog.ur pic seems interesting.very well defined physique.best of luck to u ..for future

[UnionHooligan]

Originally Posted by RONNY_ZZR

thanks friends, i am now on CEE,whey,BCAA. and now i want something extra to help me in bulking for atleast 3 months.pure bulk .i am taking good care of my pro/fat/carbs intake.

shud i go for the above mentioned things such as JW or Xfactor or shud i add NO product or anything.

I am not a fan of NO products much i would go with JW or Xfactor over a NO.

[chimpilico]

I know you're already on creatine, but you may want to look at Gaspari SizeOn. I tried it, and it works extremely well. I have never looked so full. Gaspari SuperPump250 would also stack extremely well with SizeOn.

[MAX-OT-IVAN]

If you want a NO product, go with Citrulline Malate over Arginine. Trust me.

Plus, a Testosterone product, like AndroTest by ********* is going to help you leaps and bounds over NO. The NO products out there in it of themselves will not bulk you up. They help in nutrient delivery, some see faster recovery, some endurance and a feeling of fullness.

Too much credit has been given to NO type products regarding their ability to "BULK" you up. Don't buy into the hype.

[user903890348904]

Well I did hyperdrol + White blood and gained 4kgs in 30 days..

Im currently on xfactor and have gained nothing nor lose extra fat easily.... so personally id say JUNGLE WARFARE OR HYPERDROL

[smallguyjoe]

Romeo, Thanks for the encouragement, bro! So, you're having trouble making weight gains... well, I'll say this to start - you look how I'd like to look, so I wouldn't be too upset. I understand you want to look even better, and I'm sure when I get to where you're at I'll want the samne thing... it's our human nature to not be satisfied. So, again I'll say this, GREAT WORK ON WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR!!!

Ok, are you at least making strength gains? If you aren't then it's most likely these two things that ned to be changed - diet and training. I wouldn't put all of your faith into suppliments. They can help, but it's mostly diet and training that will make you progress. I don't know much about supps, diet, or training, but I'll share with you what has helped me and what I've heard.

First, let me just recommend Size On by Gaspari. I gained 10 lbs in a month while using it. I took it every day. Some of that weight was fat, but not all, and it is inevitable that you will gain some fat while bulking. It sounds like you are an ectomorph body type since you are so lean and having trouble putting on weight... although not a full out ecto... maybe you are a meso/ecto - being able to put on good mass, but it's kinda hard since you tend to burn off most of what you eat. Here's what I suggest you try:

Since you aren't putting on weight, I suspect the reason is you are burning off too much. You want to train a bit less. I know it's not as fun, but being in the gym less will help you gain some weight. What you want to do is work the muscle hard and good... let it fully recover and then hit it again. All week you want to eat plenty of food - 232g protein/ 387g carbs/ 80g fat per day... this will be about 30% protein/ 50% carbs/ 20% fat. You may need more to gain. I suggest trying that out first, and if after 2-3 weeks you haven't gained any strength or weight I suggest increasing the carbs and fat a bit.

Now as for training you will have to experiment with a few splits and rep ranges to see how your body responds. I had the best mass gains when I did 3-4 sets per exercise and did reps like 12,10,8,6 or 10,8,6, failure. I would pic between 3-4 exercises for each muscle. Keep a log to track your gains in dumbbell and barbell weight and reps. Each week your goal should be to add a rep to each exercise. Once you've added a rep or two, then add 5-10 lbs to the exercise next week and worl your way up to the amount of reps you had been doin with the lighter weight. You probably know all of this, but try new workout routines and rep ranges to see if your body responds well.

As for training less, I suggest trying a 3 day split for a few weeks to see if you put on some weight. I know 3 days sucks, b/c you wanna be in the gym more, but trust me, when you're in the gym you're burning up calories and hindering your body from recovering and growing. If growth is what you want then train the muscle, eat, and let it fully recover/grow and then hit again. Try this split:

Mon - chest, shoulders, tri's

Wed - legs, abs

Fri - back, traps, bi's

If this doesn't work after 3-4 weeks change it up. Add another day in... maybe give shoulders and traps their own day or arms their own day... maybe train abs twice instead of once. Or if you really want to train a muscle twice you could try a split that overlaps like this:

Mon - chest/back

Tues - legs, abs

Wed - arms

Thurs - shoulders/traps

Fri - off

Sat - Mondays workout (chest/back)

Sun - off

Mon - Tuesdays workout (legs, abs)

Tues - Wednesdays workout (arms)

Get it?

I still suggest that you try 3 days first to see if you grow. Since you are probably more of an ectomorph you need more food and more recovery time to grow. Good luck... God bless you, brother. Take care.

Your friend, Joe

[pu12en12g]

Originally Posted by RONNY_ZZR

bulking is my greatest concern.any help and advice is appreciated.

You're on the right track man... some more ideas:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1310631

[NamesAreHardToPick]

You could always try a four day split which I prefer personally. The first three days you divide your workouts, with one day off and the restart. The problem is most bodybuilders lose track of where they are, but the truth is that in 28 days you have 7 days off and 21 days of working out, which each muscle can be worked out approximately 1.9 times a week so it's pretty close to that.

But it works every four days, not every seven days so you have to keep track of what you did the previous day. So far, my muscle and memory have greatly improved.