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    how did congress become so corrupted

    do nothing congress that voted themselves 300 pay raises, but adamantly shot down a bill for raising the minimum wage (what is it anyways something like $5.50 an hour, what a shame), whole long list of them caught for money laundering, cohersion, and witness tampering. at least 4 republican congressmen resigned over midst of illegal dealings. Foley facing pedo charges, now lately this evangelical leader who aligns himself with the republican party for also being gay and using drugs.

    they are out of control.

    i cannot sit back and watch all this crap any longer and morally and consciously vote for this party next tuesday. they are such hypocrites its beyond unbelieveable ,

    its mind boggling.

    they always seem to be blaming someone else and never taking responsibility. they have only themselves to check , and mostly sent memo's to themselves to get anything they want passed.

    the american constitution has a perfect political system in which the senate and congress are in placeto keep the government in check, that was the point of it,

    but this government has a rubber stamp on any issue it wants to pass,

    and that's a dangerous thing.

    they are not representing the american people,

    and they are running this country into the ground. and congress ain't opposing them because of republican party affiliation.

    we cannot afford another 2-4 years of this crap.
    i know who i'm voitng against next week.
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    How did they become so corrupted? They allow bribes. Of course, they call them "donations" but lets be real, they're bribes. The whole system is based around them. The only time Australia started being heard in the US was when we hired a lobbyist who pays hundreds of thousands in "donations" to people who can get us the presidents ear.
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    This congress's corruption is no different then any other congress's corruption, anyone telling you different is selling a line of BS.
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    How did they become so corrupted? Lack of Oversight. And yes, we have seen a new level of corruption from this congress.
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    Any one of us will become morbidly corrupted if we play politics above city/town level. When there are a lot of people offering you hundreds of thousands to millions worth of bribes, it's almost impossible to turn it down.
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    Part of the problem is that everyone hates Congress but generally likes their own representative. HELLO?????????? Nothing will change if you keep voting your own representative back into office.
    1. I thought all along you'd be the death of me, but I met one tonight who wants what's left of me!
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    do nothing congress that voted themselves 300 pay raises, but adamantly shot down a bill for raising the minimum wage (what is it anyways something like $5.50 an hour, what a shame), whole long list of them caught for money laundering, cohersion, and witness tampering. at least 4 republican congressmen resigned over midst of illegal dealings. Foley facing pedo charges, now lately this evangelical leader who aligns himself with the republican party for also being gay and using drugs.

    they are out of control.

    i cannot sit back and watch all this crap any longer and morally and consciously vote for this party next tuesday. they are such hypocrites its beyond unbelieveable ,

    its mind boggling.

    they always seem to be blaming someone else and never taking responsibility. they have only themselves to check , and mostly sent memo's to themselves to get anything they want passed.

    the american constitution has a perfect political system in which the senate and congress are in placeto keep the government in check, that was the point of it,

    but this government has a rubber stamp on any issue it wants to pass,

    and that's a dangerous thing.

    they are not representing the american people,

    and they are running this country into the ground. and congress ain't opposing them because of republican party affiliation.

    we cannot afford another 2-4 years of this crap.
    i know who i'm voitng against next week.


    I am a repub, but they ALL need to be cleaned out. Armed rednecks with guns should frequently camp outside the house of representatives and make sure they are doing there jobs.

    We need more tara and feathering too.
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    Originally Posted by AccountantGuy
    I am a repub, but they ALL need to be cleaned out. Armed rednecks with guns should frequently camp outside the house of representatives and make sure they are doing there jobs.

    We need more tara and feathering too.
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    do nothing congress that voted themselves 300 pay raises, but adamantly shot down a bill for raising the minimum wage (what is it anyways something like $5.50 an hour, what a shame), whole long list of them caught for money laundering, cohersion, and witness tampering. at least 4 republican congressmen resigned over midst of illegal dealings. Foley facing pedo charges, now lately this evangelical leader who aligns himself with the republican party for also being gay and using drugs.

    they are out of control.

    i cannot sit back and watch all this crap any longer and morally and consciously vote for this party next tuesday. they are such hypocrites its beyond unbelieveable ,

    its mind boggling.

    they always seem to be blaming someone else and never taking responsibility. they have only themselves to check , and mostly sent memo's to themselves to get anything they want passed.

    the american constitution has a perfect political system in which the senate and congress are in placeto keep the government in check, that was the point of it,

    but this government has a rubber stamp on any issue it wants to pass,

    and that's a dangerous thing.

    they are not representing the american people,

    and they are running this country into the ground. and congress ain't opposing them because of republican party affiliation.

    we cannot afford another 2-4 years of this crap.
    i know who i'm voitng against next week.
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    Voters are by and large lazy and ignorant people. So few people take the time to crack open a book and learn about the issues. Instead we have a system where retards are won over by clever catch phrases that sound right to them but lack substance. The few people who do take the time to study the issues only do so to gain ammunition for arguments with people from other parties. They don't learn to form an opinion because their party has already told them what they think. It makes me so ****ing sick to see people breaking every argument into liberal and conservative extremes. It is like political ideologies have become religions. No room for heresy, only faith in the party line will be tolerated.
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    do nothing congress that voted themselves 300 pay raises, but adamantly shot down a bill for raising the minimum wage (what is it anyways something like $5.50 an hour, what a shame), whole long list of them caught for money laundering, cohersion, and witness tampering. at least 4 republican congressmen resigned over midst of illegal dealings. Foley facing pedo charges, now lately this evangelical leader who aligns himself with the republican party for also being gay and using drugs.

    they are out of control.

    i cannot sit back and watch all this crap any longer and morally and consciously vote for this party next tuesday. they are such hypocrites its beyond unbelieveable ,

    its mind boggling.

    they always seem to be blaming someone else and never taking responsibility. they have only themselves to check , and mostly sent memo's to themselves to get anything they want passed.

    the american constitution has a perfect political system in which the senate and congress are in placeto keep the government in check, that was the point of it,

    but this government has a rubber stamp on any issue it wants to pass,

    and that's a dangerous thing.

    they are not representing the american people,

    and they are running this country into the ground. and congress ain't opposing them because of republican party affiliation.

    we cannot afford another 2-4 years of this crap.
    i know who i'm voitng against next week.
    This is why the government majority changes about every 6 years. One party gets in powe for 6 years, all this news of corruption comes out and then the opposite party runs with it and gets elected.

    After that, it's just a repeat until the next 6 years.

    Seriously, look at the people we have to work with. Not a single mother****er can talk about the issues, all they can do is dodge questions and deny allegations. **** the whole lot of them.
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    do nothing congress that voted themselves 300 pay raises, but adamantly shot down a bill for raising the minimum wage (what is it anyways something like $5.50 an hour, what a shame), whole long list of them caught for money laundering, cohersion, and witness tampering. at least 4 republican congressmen resigned over midst of illegal dealings. Foley facing pedo charges, now lately this evangelical leader who aligns himself with the republican party for also being gay and using drugs.

    they are out of control.

    i cannot sit back and watch all this crap any longer and morally and consciously vote for this party next tuesday. they are such hypocrites its beyond unbelieveable ,

    its mind boggling.

    they always seem to be blaming someone else and never taking responsibility. they have only themselves to check , and mostly sent memo's to themselves to get anything they want passed.

    the american constitution has a perfect political system in which the senate and congress are in placeto keep the government in check, that was the point of it,

    but this government has a rubber stamp on any issue it wants to pass,

    and that's a dangerous thing.

    they are not representing the american people,

    and they are running this country into the ground. and congress ain't opposing them because of republican party affiliation.

    we cannot afford another 2-4 years of this crap.
    i know who i'm voitng against next week.


    People were saying the same thing in 1994. It doesn't matter, Democrat or Republican, all politicians are the same, they are tempted by the same things, and there is plenty to be tempted by. If you think a Democrat Congress will all of the sudden be immune from corruption and scandal, you need to get your head checked.



    PS-Raising the minimum wage only causes more problems, not fixes them. Artificial government wage controls only lead to further issues. Most economists agree upon this simple point.
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    It is your system. Karl Marx said: Put never politics together with capital...

    It destroy evrything.

    In germany politicians must say what they earn, they must list up evry income they have and it is totally puplic. That is good system i think.
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    Money is King in congressional elections. If a guy gets elected a few times and develops a large purse and connections with deep pocketed individuals, he can't be touched. Think Ted Kennedy. That's why we need term limits in congress. It would keep people from being influenced by power and greed, and give regular people a better chance.
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    Originally Posted by ElMariachi
    People were saying the same thing in 1994. It doesn't matter, Democrat or Republican, all politicians are the same, they are tempted by the same things, and there is plenty to be tempted by. If you think a Democrat Congress will all of the sudden be immune from corruption and scandal, you need to get your head checked.



    PS-Raising the minimum wage only causes more problems, not fixes them. Artificial government wage controls only lead to further issues. Most economists agree upon this simple point.
    I agree. That is why a small and limited government is neccessary. Its really the democratic party that supports more governmental controlled programs. Higher taxes = more governmental control = more corruption

    The republican party has alot of problems that they need to resolve. I would like to see the party reformed with more libertarian views.
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    Originally Posted by ElMariachi
    People were saying the same thing in 1994. It doesn't matter, Democrat or Republican, all politicians are the same, they are tempted by the same things, and there is plenty to be tempted by. If you think a Democrat Congress will all of the sudden be immune from corruption and scandal, you need to get your head checked.



    PS-Raising the minimum wage only causes more problems, not fixes them. Artificial government wage controls only lead to further issues. Most economists agree upon this simple point.
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    We only have ourselves to blame. Without the votes, they would not be in office.

    To the OP. I detect a little hypocrisy in your post. Talk about raising minimum wage while at the same time talking about personal accountability... If folks were responsible and accountable, they wouldn't be living on minimum wage.
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    Originally Posted by Flashover
    How did they become so corrupted? Lack of Oversight. And yes, we have seen a new level of corruption from this congress.
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    Originally Posted by Chowboy
    We only have ourselves to blame. Without the votes, they would not be in office.

    To the OP. I detect a little hypocrisy in your post. Talk about raising minimum wage while at the same time talking about personal accountability... If folks were responsible and accountable, they wouldn't be living on minimum wage.
    what the hell are you talking about . are u even kidding me.

    this statement boggles the mind

    .. If folks were responsible and accountable, they wouldn't be living on minimum wage.

    ...i dont know what to say about such a stupid sweeping statement.
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    i wanted to say alot of people agreed with my post and showed their appreciation thru reps. this congress has got to go.
    remember all the Fock ups we had and remember now that today this is your chance to change all that.
    Alot of republicans are talking of voting democrat to send a message the corrupted people that now hold congress. this is goiung to have a trigger effect and it will boost democrat swing.
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    do nothing congress that voted themselves 300 pay raises, but adamantly shot down a bill for raising the minimum wage (what is it anyways something like $5.50 an hour, what a shame), whole long list of them caught for money laundering, cohersion, and witness tampering. at least 4 republican congressmen resigned over midst of illegal dealings. Foley facing pedo charges, now lately this evangelical leader who aligns himself with the republican party for also being gay and using drugs.

    they are out of control.

    i cannot sit back and watch all this crap any longer and morally and consciously vote for this party next tuesday. they are such hypocrites its beyond unbelieveable ,

    its mind boggling.

    they always seem to be blaming someone else and never taking responsibility. they have only themselves to check , and mostly sent memo's to themselves to get anything they want passed.

    the american constitution has a perfect political system in which the senate and congress are in placeto keep the government in check, that was the point of it,

    but this government has a rubber stamp on any issue it wants to pass,

    and that's a dangerous thing.

    they are not representing the american people,

    and they are running this country into the ground. and congress ain't opposing them because of republican party affiliation.

    we cannot afford another 2-4 years of this crap.
    i know who i'm voitng against next week.
    perhaps some of the corruption is rooted in people claiming to stand for "family values" yet are some of the biggest scum around....
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    I'm probabaly gonna open up a can-o-worms with this one but here goes...

    Repeal the 17th amendment (Election of sentors by popular vote), and put the power back in the state legislatures. That way Senators actually answer to the representatives of the people. I think that would limit the influence that big money has on the elections. It would also put things back to the way that the framers of the constitution intended. I beleive that they had good reason for everything that they did.
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    Originally Posted by cowboyathlete
    Part of the problem is that everyone hates Congress but generally likes their own representative. HELLO?????????? Nothing will change if you keep voting your own representative back into office.
    Term limits would solve a lot of problems.
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    i wanted to say alot of people agreed with my post and showed their appreciation thru reps. this congress has got to go.
    remember all the Fock ups we had and remember now that today this is your chance to change all that.
    Alot of republicans are talking of voting democrat to send a message the corrupted people that now hold congress. this is goiung to have a trigger effect and it will boost democrat swing.

    Keep dreaming, you are just replacing one set of corrupt azzholes with another set of corrupt azzholes.
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    Power corrupts. The Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, Communist China and Russia, and basically every other governing entity eventually becomes corrupted. Some systems are more prone to it, some less. No governing system is immune to corruption (and neither is any individual). The US constitution was layed out with this in mind and sought to, among other things, provide a system requiring as infrequent "refreshings" as possible.

    Judicial adherence to the constitution is an example of something which has become debauched over the years, with SCJs feeling the need to play the role of Congress. As another example, in the Legislative branch, members of Congress have adeptly fouled the process for passing bills - the most repugnant example being the proliferation of "riders" (unpopular/wasteful spending bundles of crap attached to completely unrelated bills that contain popular components, forcing Congress to pass the **** hiding inside or vote against the entire bill).

    What does that do? It leaves members of Congress unaccountable for their actions because nobody sifts through the details of every rider. You get $50,000 potato sculptures hitching a ride on $100,000,000 highway bills - doesn't sound like much, but when it rides alongside with 50 or so other "barely documented" leeches (some riders costing tens of millions alone), it adds up. This is exactly where lobbyists collect their return on investment. And this is the source of the greater part of Congressional corruption.

    One solution is to put a line-item veto in the hands of the executive - the problem with this is that it shifts too much power to that branch. A related solution is to give the executive branch access to a "weak line-item veto". This allows the president to decouple from spending bills their individual components, forcing Congress to vote on the decoupled items independently, and allowing the rest of the bill to pass unmolested. Again, however, this is not a constitutional measure, because it places too much power in the hands of the executive.

    So what can we do? They are all crooked, R and D. And if you put the third parties in there (gradually - not a wholesale replacement, which is not feasible), it won't take long before they aren't much different. There is just too much money in the hands of the government - especially the federal government. The government needs to shrink, it needs to starve. That will not only reduce corruption, but it will limit its reach.
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    Originally Posted by types_with_fist
    Power corrupts. The Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, Communist China and Russia, and basically every other governing entity eventually becomes corrupted. Some systems are more prone to it, some less. No governing system is immune to corruption (and neither is any individual). The US constitution was layed out with this in mind and sought to, among other things, provide a system requiring as infrequent "refreshings" as possible.

    Judicial adherence to the constitution is an example of something which has become debauched over the years, with SCJs feeling the need to play the role of Congress. As another example, in the Legislative branch, members of Congress have adeptly fouled the process for passing bills - the most repugnant example being the proliferation of "riders" (unpopular/wasteful spending bundles of crap attached to completely unrelated bills that contain popular components, forcing Congress to pass the **** hiding inside or vote against the entire bill).

    What does that do? It leaves members of Congress unaccountable for their actions because nobody sifts through the details of every rider. You get $50,000 potato sculptures hitching a ride on $100,000,000 highway bills - doesn't sound like much, but when it rides alongside with 50 or so other "barely documented" leeches (some riders costing tens of millions alone), it adds up. This is exactly where lobbyists collect their return on investment. And this is the source of the greater part of Congressional corruption.

    One solution is to put a line-item veto in the hands of the executive - the problem with this is that it shifts too much power to that branch. A related solution is to give the executive branch access to a "weak line-item veto". This allows the president to decouple from spending bills their individual components, forcing Congress to vote on the decoupled items independently, and allowing the rest of the bill to pass unmolested. Again, however, this is not a constitutional measure, because it places too much power in the hands of the executive.

    So what can we do? They are all crooked, R and D. And if you put the third parties in there (gradually - not a wholesale replacement, which is not feasible), it won't take long before they aren't much different. There is just too much money in the hands of the government - especially the federal government. The government needs to shrink, it needs to starve. That will not only reduce corruption, but it will limit its reach.
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    Originally Posted by maverick22
    yup you said it. power corrupts, so its time for a change !
    It doesn't help much to replace one set of corrupt assholes with another. I doubt you are interested in the problem of corruption.
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    personally i would say that congress is a good representation of society. society itself is corrupt, it is full of criminals, drunks, drug users, those bribed and those doing the bribing.

    if you truly wish to fix it, look at how it became so corrupt. the problems begin with our society, not with our government. the government is a representation of the people. we have high crime rights and corruption on the streets, why would we expect our government to be any different?
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