fork in the road!

[Spitfire-1]

I would like some feed-back on the following.......

If you've been to my bodyspace you will be aware that i used to compete before I had a family.
That was over 15 years ago!
I got back into serious training about a year or so ago, and its going better than i expected. I belive there is something to this muscle memory theory.

anyway , my aim is to compete again and im not sure of the best way foreward.

I have looked into natural shows, and spoke to people down the gym about it.there is a very mixed bag of responses.
Most people seem to think that they are full of contestants who are on some form of enhancement or another.(gear..or similar). and most get away with it because the show promotors cannot fund the testing to any kind of acceptable standard.

If this is the case, am i wasting my time trying natural contests?

I did use for my other shows (15 years ago) and most natural shows demand a 10 year clean period, so im well within the guidelines. ( sorry if this offends the life-long naturals). but i would rather not use...if poss

i want to start my bodyblog of my progress from now till i compete. but i need to set my aims /goals and methods first.


thanks guys/girls

[kimsquit]

Hi Spitfire,

Props to you for wanting to get back up on stage - did you have a particular competition date in mind?

As to your query, the first question that comes to my mind is: who is it that you've been talking to?

Originally Posted by Spitfire-1

I have looked into natural shows, and spoke to people down the gym about it.there is a very mixed bag of responses.
Most people seem to think that they are full of contestants who are on some form of enhancement or another.(gear..or similar). and most get away with it because the show promotors cannot fund the testing to ant kind of acceptable standard.

Are these people who have competed and placed or are they just wannabes who don't differentiate between their facts and their opinions?

I'm not familiar with the UK bb'ing arena but here in North America there are natural organizations that are quite stringent in their testing policies. There are also some orgs which are more casual about it.

I like to go to the various organization's websites and read through their respective policies, take a look at the photos of the competition winners (usually a good indication) and then track down some people who've actually competed and done well with that organization.

But just because an event is "untested" doesn't mean that you won't do well in it - because it's not just about size.



~ Chris

[TWright]

I would go to a couple of shows and see what you think. You'll know right away if you can compete or not. I would if I were you. Your not planning on getting your procard anyways are you? It's all for fun and the thrill of being on stage bro. Go for it.

[Odin1970]

Originally Posted by TWright

I would go to a couple of shows and see what you think. You'll know right away if you can compete or not. I

Solid advice. There are also plenty of small federations around (at least in the states) that are all natural and enforce drug testing at shows. I went to one this july, its not in the class of an IFBB event but these guys were tested, period.

I looked at your profile, you certainly wouldnt have to much trouble in my opinion, I think its wise to take baby steps first. No sense in going for "mr britian" straight out of the gate.

Focus on a small show first, see how it goes.

[hapkido]

I'd like to see a show that requires that you look the same for a one year period.
That would be something

[kimsquit]

Originally Posted by hapkido

I'd like to see a show that requires that you look the same for a one year period.
That would be something

clickety-click

[hapkido]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

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Just my opinion.

[kimsquit]

Originally Posted by hapkido

Just my opinion.

I realize that however I'll be damned if I can see any logic or sober thought behind it.

To suggest that not doing anything different for an entire year is an acheivement is, IMO, just an excuse to justify not pushing yourself to actually compete at something.

Unless you're suggesting that competitive bb'ers should maintain 4% or less bodyfat for a full 12 months, which is even dumber.

[hapkido]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

I realize that however I'll be damned if I can see any logic or sober thought behind it.

To suggest that not doing anything different for an entire year is an acheivement is, IMO, just an excuse to justify not pushing yourself to actually compete at something.

Unless you're suggesting that competitive bb'ers should maintain 4% or less bodyfat for a full 12 months, which is even dumber.

A person after training for a few years would be better off maintaining the perfect body year round.
And if what I suggest is so easy everyone would be trying it. I guess I'm loooking thru a different glass than you
Thin skin and drop dead diets do not have any appeal to me.

[GREENFEATHER]

Originally Posted by hapkido

A person after training for a few years would be better off maintaining the perfect body year round.
And if what I suggest is so easy everyone would be trying it. I guess I'm loooking thru a different glass than you
Thin skin and drop dead diets do not have any appeal to me.

Then why in the hell do you make it a point to stick your nose into something you don't have a clue about? Stick to what you know and leave the rest to those that have been there and done that!! Chris HAS competed, you have not!! I wish this was usenet because you'd be plonked REAL fast and I wouldn't get to see your useless drivel.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kimsquit again.

[Defiant1]

Originally Posted by Spitfire-1

I would like some feed-back on the following.......

If you've been to my bodyspace you will be aware that i used to compete before I had a family.
That was over 15 years ago!
I got back into serious training about a year or so ago, and its going better than i expected. I belive there is something to this muscle memory theory.

anyway , my aim is to compete again and im not sure of the best way foreward.

I have looked into natural shows, and spoke to people down the gym about it.there is a very mixed bag of responses.
Most people seem to think that they are full of contestants who are on some form of enhancement or another.(gear..or similar). and most get away with it because the show promotors cannot fund the testing to ant kind of acceptable standard.

If this is the case, am i wasting my time trying natural contests?

I did use for my other shows (15 years ago) and most natural shows demand a 10 year clean period, so im well within the guidelines. ( sorry if this offends the life-long naturals). but i would rather not use...if poss

i want to start my bodyblog of my progress from now till i compete. but i need to set my aims /goals and methods first.


thanks guys/girls

I was wondering why your picture was in "sepia"


Seriously, some of the natural orgs are better than others. You can simply tell by looking at the athletes.

Check with some of the natural competitors on the site.

The worst that could happen is it could give you focus, right?

Which makes a huge difference in training in my experience.

[hapkido]

[QUOTE=GREENFEATHER]Then why in the hell do you make it a point to stick your nose into something you don't have a clue about? Stick to what you know and leave the rest to those that have been there and done that!! Chris HAS competed, you have not!! I wish this was usenet because you'd be plonked REAL fast and I wouldn't get to see your useless drivel.




I guess Thats not allowed in here .
Sorry

[kimsquit]

Originally Posted by hapkido

A person after training for a few years would be better off maintaining the perfect body year round.
And if what I suggest is so easy everyone would be trying it. I guess I'm loooking thru a different glass than you
Thin skin and drop dead diets do not have any appeal to me.

You do realize that you're on a bodybuilding website, right?

This isn't JustWannaToneUp.com

I'm baffled that you'd even post in a thread about one person's specific interest in competing if you don't approve of it. Perhaps you ought to be exercising here since it meets your ideals.

[hapkido]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

You do realize that you're on a bodybuilding website, right?

This isn't JustWannaToneUp.com

I'm baffled that you'd even post in a thread about one person's specific interest in competing if you don't approve of it. Perhaps you ought to be exercising here since it meets your ideals.

The thread was leaning on natural or juice, I had my opinion on that issue.
I will just leave it to you pros from now on.

[kimsquit]

Originally Posted by hapkido

The thread was leaning on natural or juice, I had my opinion on that issue.

I'm not sure how this statement:

Originally Posted by hapkido

I'd like to see a show that requires that you look the same for a one year period.
That would be something

constitutes an opinion on whether Spitfire should compete naturally or not. I'd ask you to clarify it but instead I'm just going to do what I suspect a lot of people in your life wish they could do:

This message is hidden because hapkido is on your ignore list.

[GREENFEATHER]

Originally Posted by hapkido

The thread was leaning on natural or juice, I had my opinion on that issue.
I will just leave it to you pros from now on.

I don't see anywhere where he said he was going to do juice? He asked if he was wasting his time competing against someone who WAS on the juice. It LEGAL to USE and POSESS in The UK!

[jaguarr]

Originally Posted by hapkido

I'd like to see a show that requires that you look the same for a one year period.
That would be something

Worst...idea...ever...

jag

[SR800]

I agree, look into the organizations, look at the photos, make some contacts, you are in great shape and have certainly put in the work, if I were a natural competitor and you were showing up, I would be worried!

[lukamar]

Go for it. For most competitors it's the competition not the trophy and from the way you describe the way you feel it will make you happy no matter what the outcome. You already have the experience so all you have to do is get ready and go.

[hapkido]

Lets move past roid issues

[=M=]

Ummmm, who started it?

[Mr. Someday]

I go to a lot of natural shows as there is a bunch of us in our area who compete and we tend to all go and root each other on. Most organizations I've seen polygraph test their shows, as piss tests are just way too expensive. Seems to me that is a pretty good deterrent. However, I've definitely seen competitors at these shows who are in no way "natural". To me, that is just the dumbest, most cowardly thing someone can do. If you made your bed, lie in it and go compete with the open shows that aren't tested. The way I look at any show....I have ZERO, and I mean ZERO, control over who shows up in my class.....only thing I can do is come in as dry, hard and full as I possibly can. If I do, I win (at least in my own personal battle).

So I say go ahead and do it!

[Mark1T]

You will mostly find encouragement here. I say sincerely, do it.

[Spitfire-1]

im going to do as suggested....go see some shows (good advise).

and look into some orgs .... but i think as you are all mainly saying, the proof is in the shows themselves.