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What should the middle east look like?
This is a question primarily directed as muslims or those who have lived in the middle east, although of course everyones input is welcome. I'd ask that this doesn't turn into a flame thread, but I don't know how much good it will do. Trolls will be trolls.
What governments/cultures in the middle east do you think are currently something that the rest of the region can be modeled after? Which governments do you think provide the best opportunity/freedom for their people?
Is democracy compatible with Islam? If not, what form of government would be best suited?
Is pluralism compatible with Islam?
Do you think the U.S. is being realistic in trying to start up democracies in Afghanistan/Iraq? Is it compatible with the cultures there? Do you think the attempt will be successful?
(My personal choice would be the UAE. I was impressed with the wealth that seemed to be being created in Dubai, Bahrain, etc. and how it seemed to be pretty well distributed (as opposed to Kuwait.) It also seemed someplace where foreigners/christians could feel comfortable and welcome.)
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10-31-2006, 09:56 PM
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Everything besides Israel, uninhabited because of massive explosions.
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Hmm this thread hasn't turned out like I planned (do they ever?) But I'll attempt to reset the table... (any takers to the questions below?)
What governments/cultures in the middle east do you think are currently something that the rest of the region can be modeled after? Which governments do you think provide the best opportunity/freedom for their people?
Is democracy compatible with Islam? If not, what form of government would be best suited?
Is pluralism compatible with Islam?
Do you think the U.S. is being realistic in trying to start up democracies in Afghanistan/Iraq? Is it compatible with the cultures there? Do you think the attempt will be successful?
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11-01-2006, 03:48 PM
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Not that I don't appreciate the responses so far, but this wasn't intended to be a 'Islam will take over the world" or "Islam will be wiped out" discussion.
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11-01-2006, 03:54 PM
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Not that I don't appreciate the responses so far, but this wasn't intended to be a 'Islam will take over the world" or "Islam will be wiped out" discussion.
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I feel for you. But you did say mideast right?
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11-01-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bulldog559
For over 1700 years, we've been killing those who have tried to seperate our faith from our people. Arabs and Persians especially, but most definitely Turks.
We dont care what you are, what you believe...as our history proves. We will KILL EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU IF YOU TRY TO TOUCH OUR UNSHADED PORTIONS. Want to color it all in? KILL US ALL, IF YOU CAN. Ottoman Empire tried from 1915, and Kemalists as well, but we've stood tall against much greater empires than the Soviets of the past or anyone around today.
Funny thing about it...we're such a small population today. In Artsakh, we had a population of 100,000 and we declared our independence from a population of 7 MILLION, who had Chechen terrorists helping them as well as the taliban. Russians and the US turned their backs to us and with simple kalishnikovs, we were able to DRIVE ALL MUSLIMS OFF OF OUR HISTORIC CHRISTIAN AND ARMENIAN LANDS.
Come and die, mohamedan, if you want to shade some more Armenian lands. You can do it, but we'll take a lot of you to the after world in the process. Try it.
We are the Israel of Southwest Asia...alone and surrounded by enemies, but far from surrender.
polor azget kunem arab shun.
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11-01-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Need2ShapeUp
Hmm this thread hasn't turned out like I planned (do they ever?) But I'll attempt to reset the table... (any takers to the questions below?)
What governments/cultures in the middle east do you think are currently something that the rest of the region can be modeled after? Which governments do you think provide the best opportunity/freedom for their people?
Is democracy compatible with Islam? If not, what form of government would be best suited?
Is pluralism compatible with Islam?
Do you think the U.S. is being realistic in trying to start up democracies in Afghanistan/Iraq? Is it compatible with the cultures there? Do you think the attempt will be successful?
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Only monarchies will work in the Mid East. People are too hot-headed and vengeful. Monarchs appease the masses to the point of contentment, which is all they need in that area. Dread democracy or theological government.
pluralism is compatible. Look at almost any country in the mid east!
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11-01-2006, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 974g63awd
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That was meant for my nemesis, Syriankid.
cliff notes:
islamic imperialism has always failed against Armenians.
We've fought every 'superpower' since Jesus died, and we've always been a 'small, insignificant people'...but God is with us.
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11-01-2006, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Need2ShapeUp
Not that I don't appreciate the responses so far, but this wasn't intended to be a 'Islam will take over the world" or "Islam will be wiped out" discussion.
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Every god dam thread ends up that way. You can start a thread about fu*king bread and somehow someone will mention muslims or jews and the flaming begins. I honestly question the age and maturity of some posters here.
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11-01-2006, 03:59 PM
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Every god dam thread ends up that way. You can start a thread about fu*king bread and somehow someone will mention muslims or jews and the flaming begins. I honestly question the age and maturity of some posters here.
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Same thing with any bush/kerry thread...turning into 'democrats/republicans' fight.
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11-01-2006, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 974g63awd
Every god dam thread ends up that way. You can start a thread about fu*king bread and somehow someone will mention muslims or jews and the flaming begins. I honestly question the age and maturity of some posters here.
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I thought of maturity but not age. Interesting point.
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11-01-2006, 04:01 PM
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...but God is with us.
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Im sorry but this whole "God is with us" or "we are Gods choosen people" seems very ignorant to me. Why would God choose a certain group?
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11-01-2006, 04:02 PM
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I think sometimes people just forget that it's possible for someone to be wrong or even way-out-there-wrong without necessarily being evil.
Democrats = not the source of all evil
Republicans = not the source of all evil
Jews = not the source of all evil
Muslims = not the source of all evil
Christians = not the source of all evil
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11-01-2006, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 974g63awd
Im sorry but this whole "God is with us" or "we are Gods choosen people" seems very ignorant to me. Why would God choose a certain group?
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From a religious standpoint, I suppose because they made a deal with G-d or they just "got it right" in regards to observance.
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11-01-2006, 04:05 PM
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From a religious standpoint, I suppose because they made a deal with G-d or they just "got it right" in regards to observance.
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Yeah, I guess you can look at it that way.
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11-01-2006, 04:06 PM
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Yeah, I guess you can look at it that way.
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Not saying that I necessarily do.
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Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja
Not saying that I necessarily do.
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I know you don't and neither do I. I was seeing it through the eyes of a religous person. Oh by the way, I hope you didn't take me saying "we are gods choosen people" is ignorant as a flame towards jews. I was simply using it as an example.
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11-01-2006, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 974g63awd
I know you don't and neither do I. I was seeing it through the eyes of a religous person. Oh by the way, I hope you didn't take me saying "we are gods choosen people" is ignorant as a flame towards jews. I was simply using it as an example.
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Practitioners of every religion think that they are their god's chosen people.
Just like how every parent thinks that their kid is the shiznit, or every kid thinks that their dad could beat up everyone else's dad.
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Originally Posted by bulldog559
For over 1700 years, we've been killing those who have tried to seperate our faith from our people. Arabs and Persians especially, but most definitely Turks.
We dont care what you are, what you believe...as our history proves. We will KILL EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU IF YOU TRY TO TOUCH OUR UNSHADED PORTIONS. Want to color it all in? KILL US ALL, IF YOU CAN. Ottoman Empire tried from 1915, and Kemalists as well, but we've stood tall against much greater empires than the Soviets of the past or anyone around today.
Funny thing about it...we're such a small population today. In Artsakh, we had a population of 100,000 and we declared our independence from a population of 7 MILLION, who had Chechen terrorists helping them as well as the taliban. Russians and the US turned their backs to us and with simple kalishnikovs, we were able to DRIVE ALL MUSLIMS OFF OF OUR HISTORIC CHRISTIAN AND ARMENIAN LANDS.
Come and die, mohamedan, if you want to shade some more Armenian lands. You can do it, but we'll take a lot of you to the after world in the process. Try it.
We are the Israel of Southwest Asia...alone and surrounded by enemies, but far from surrender.
polor azget kunem arab shun.
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WTF?! This guy is a freakin psycho! Who the hell even mentioned Armenians?!
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polor azget kunem arab shun.
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That's raaaaaaaaacciiiiiiiiiiiiisstt.
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"And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
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WTF?! This guy is a freakin psycho! Who the hell even mentioned Armenians?!
That's raaaaaaaaacciiiiiiiiiiiiisstt.
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For all you know, he could be saying that he loves the way they wear their beards.
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For all you know, he could be saying that he loves the way they wear their beards.
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I strongly doubt it, but you have a point  .
Correction: That's potentially Raaaaaaaaaccccciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisst.
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"The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
"And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
(Qur'an 25:63,74-75)
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I strongly doubt it, but you have a point .
Correction: That's potentially Raaaaaaaaaccccciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisst. |
No, you were right. An Armenian translated it, this:
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polor azget kunem arab shun.
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Means:
F**k your whole race you Arab dog.
Seriously what kinds of manners are these to come from so-called "religious" posters? That is racism, racism is supposed to be against religion.
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No, you were right. An Armenian translated it, this:
Means:
F**k your whole race you Arab dog.
Seriously what kinds of manners are these to come from so-called "religious" posters? That is racism, racism is supposed to be against religion.
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Reported. If this isn't banned camp material, I don't know what is. This is blatant anti-Semitism.
What a coward for saying it in a foreign language.
Edit: Mission was already acomplished. Who's "polor azget"ed (sp?) now?  .
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"The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
"And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
(Qur'an 25:63,74-75)
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the middle east should look like a nuclear waste land
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the middle east should look like a nuclear waste land
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But I have family in the Middle East..
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"The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
"And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
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But I have family in the Middle East..
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dear god...the horror
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