Saturday I was doing 275 deadss and by back went blew up. This is the second time in the last three years. Everytime i get the itch to doing deads, it bites me in the ass. From my best guess I'll be off work for at least a week. It feels a lot like the last time in '04 . My mri then showed a herniation and a few bulged discs.
Anybody else done this. What the best and fastest road to recovery? I need to get back to work plumbing as I am the sole financial support for the family. I went to the chiropractor this am and he just shook his head saying I learn really hard. I agreed and told him my deadlifting days are over.
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10-30-2006, 01:59 PM #1Registered User
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10-30-2006, 02:12 PM #2Banned
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Just curious .. how's your form? Have you been deadlifting on a regular basis prior to this or did you just pick up 275 out of the blue? Do you do a lot of warming up/other core work? Do you use a belt?
Gotta be careful with your back ...
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10-30-2006, 02:44 PM #3The Big Man
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no offence, but it sounds like you've randomly did dead's twice in two years.
also, no offence again
, but at the age of 39, your back isnt as durable as it was 20 years previous.
So i'm not saying be fragile, just be careful. Build up to it, because if your back's ruined, your life will be a whole lot harderHeight -6'7"
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10-30-2006, 02:50 PM #4U.S. Navy Sub Vet
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Plumher - I'm 39 also and it not easy to deadlift any more. You really have to take it easy and use strict strict form - I cannot emphasize this enough - I've screwed my back up in the past and it almost hurts to deadlift any more at my age, but I do very carefully with a lot less weight than I used to do.Originally Posted by plumherUnited States Navy Veteran - GO NAVY!
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10-30-2006, 03:07 PM #5Internet Badass
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and to be honest, some people just arent born to deadlift no matter how good their form is. seems like that may be you. you can develop a great back even without deadlifts if you have to.
if you still wanna try em, i would suggest trying sumo (puts less pressure on lower back) and maybe trying rack pulls to focus on getting your form down and maintaining a fairly upright and neutral spine.Best Raw USAPL Competition Lifts
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10-30-2006, 03:16 PM #6Bingo. If you don't like them, don't do them. Its as simple as that.Originally Posted by LSU1Audentis Fortuna Iuvat
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10-30-2006, 03:35 PM #7Registered User
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not really just random deadlifting, but I've only done 15 or 20 workouts with deadlifts. I can squat 335+, and my hams,glutes, are strong. I had another lifter check my form w/ 225. He said it was pretty good, but I was looking down he said" don't have to look up, but damn sure don't look down. Most people say "look up" to keep you from looking down.
I'll just have to find other ways to work my back. The pain I'm going through right now is not worth a few more bumps on my back.Last edited by plumher; 10-30-2006 at 03:49 PM.
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10-30-2006, 04:01 PM #8The Big Man
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well, regardless of how much you can squat, you should try and create a more solid deadlift routine before doing them.
imagine if you have never bench pressed, but done tricep extensions and then whacked 300 on and pushed out 10. im sure you'd be pretty sore too
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10-30-2006, 04:38 PM #9Yep, vegetarian.
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10-30-2006, 04:40 PM #10Must.. pull.. more
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Your loss.Originally Posted by plumher
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10-30-2006, 04:40 PM #11Jacques Rhott
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I'm 39 myself and have seen my share of back trouble but I can honestly say I've never hurt it doing Deadlifts. How's your form? Are you trying to lift too much?Originally Posted by plumher
After the chiro gets you sorted out, practice your form with nothing but an empty bar if you have to. I use an ampty bar as part of my DL warmup just to visualize and make sure my form feels right..
DL's are great and I hate to hear about people giving them up because of injuries..
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10-30-2006, 05:28 PM #12Childish Insults
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10-30-2006, 05:34 PM #13spell of iron
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as LSU and others said earlier some people just arent meant to deadlift. doesnt matter how good your form is for some of us, deads just dont work out. if they give you problems, just dont do them. its as simple as that.
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10-30-2006, 05:40 PM #14Registered User
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hm... i always had horrible back problems till i started doing beltless squats adn deadlifts being sure to support myself by flexing my abdominal muscles. I started out very light and Slowly built up and if it doesnt feel right i dont do it or go very light.
I had a pinched siatic nerve and have a degenerative disk along with scholiosis. Kinda sucks because im so young. My back has never been stronger thouh and I have no problems what so ever now.
I would recommend stretching and doing light exercises 1-3 times a day using body weight such as supermans. That is where you lay on your stomach and lift your legs and your arms (streched out above your head) off the ground
It worked wonders for me. When i had a pinched nerve nothing i or the chiropractor did seemed to make the slightest difference until i started doing body weight exercises (we went to a doctor who told me to do this)obessession is a a lazy persons word for dedication.
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10-30-2006, 05:41 PM #15Why So S3ri0us?
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Good form=Safe Deadlifts
Bad Form=Dangerous Deadlifts
Mark Ripptoe's "Starting Strength" teaches you how to pull from the floor right. With every possible detail. If you pull with a neutral spine..then there is no danger. Most people either round their back or raise their ass out of position before the weight even leaves the deck.
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10-30-2006, 05:44 PM #16spell of iron
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read my above post. sometimes it doesnt matter how good your form is, you can still get hurt. some people just arent meant to deadlift.Originally Posted by (((A^T^R)))
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10-30-2006, 06:06 PM #17Registered User
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people here are right some people are not built to deadlift, they are usually guys that are good squatters. Long torsos short legs and arms. If i was you i would want to get back doing some work for your back. Try and find a gym that has a reverse hyper, they seem to be great for strengthening a back without hurting it.
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10-30-2006, 06:09 PM #18High Plains Lifter
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When you recover, you could try some light Rack Pulls, then build from there. Set the bars about 2 to 3 inches below the knees.
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10-30-2006, 07:00 PM #19Registered User
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[QUOTE=Kouta]people here are right some people are not built to deadlift, they are usually guys that are good squatters. Long torsos short legs and arms. If i was you i would want to get back doing some work for your back.
I definately fall into that category. I'm 5-9 and have 29-30" inseam. Isn't it hard too keep your form perfect through the whole set. I tried going more slowly this time around,but as a veteran lifter, I always seem to want to lift more than the previous workout. My partner said looking on that it seemed like I wanted to pull the weight like a barbell row with my arms over my knees before the rest of my body caught up. No matter, call me pussy or whatever you like. My routine will be well rounded, but deads won't be in it.
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10-30-2006, 09:03 PM #20Postural Advocate
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I had a similar thing with the pain in the leg, groin, and low back and your right, bodyweight exercises and stretching can make a big difference.Originally Posted by ericszimmerman3"I'm worried about deadlifts too. I mean the word "dead" has got to be in there for a reason. Are you sure they won't kill me?" - olympic
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10-30-2006, 11:53 PM #21Agreed. After a back injury (inflamed spinal nerve sheath I think it was), deads caused it to flare up and I'm confident my form was good. So, much as I loved them I;ve let them go and now do rack pulls instead and have had no more problems. Depending on the nature of your injury they could be worth looking at - nothing beats the feeling of lifting a huge* amount of iron.Originally Posted by MrSinister
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10-31-2006, 03:36 AM #22Moderator
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Sorry to hear about your injury. Going by a lot of the deadlift videos posted on YouTube, it's no surprise why the lift causes so many problems. Beyond a back angle of around 30-45°, the exercise becomes a lot more dangerous and you're rolling the dice every time you lift. Some guys are lucky to have been blessed with strong backs built for it which allows them to get away with it.Originally Posted by plumher
Also, some people simply don't have favorable proportions for deads, i.e. long torso with short limbs, so it's always going to be an uphill battle, just like squats are for those with the opposite (long limbs, short torso). You can work around that by keeping your form strict and keeping the hips down or switching to sumo, but some people have specific weaknesses that make it difficult (weak hams and glutes, etc.) so they need to be addressed first. The main problem with pulling from the floor is learning to keep the hips down. Not so low that you're "squatting" it up (I'm talking about conventional deads here) but not so high that you're stiff-legging it. Somewhere between the two extremes.
Assuming an injury isn't serious, I'd be experimenting with sumos first, then the trap bar, and if all that fails, stick with rack pulls, especially if you have no interest in powerlifting and just want to build the back.
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10-31-2006, 04:24 AM #23Registered User
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It could be a series of problems than anything else.
1. If it hurts the lower back, then he has a problem coming off the floor and staying tight to the patella.
2. Middle to upper back, his traps and rhomboids are weak. He needs to do fold over shrugs.
Pin Pulls or Rack Pulls are the best thing for you now. Your lower back is soooo weak, and I am being serious.You need to strenghten it by doing lower back extensions with weight, supermans on the floor, work up to reverse hypers. Practice some good mornings with very light weight.
Last question: do you have a alternate grip or double overhand? If you use the double over hand, it has the predispostion to pull you out of your bodies fluid motion (it pulls your forward). So instead of sitting back, like your squat, you are actually coming forward in the lift, instead of up.
Band training with deadlift-this will help your stablizer muscles to control the lift during explosion movement. You are a fish when the weight gets heavy=your body isn't tight when you are lifting the weight. Using bands helps to train the muscles that balance the weight on your body.Dont start nuthin, wont be nuthin
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10-31-2006, 06:10 AM #24Banned
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Couple things:Originally Posted by Phlexjr
1) what makes you think his back is weak? plenty of strong individuals have blown out their backs for one reason or other.
2) alternate/double overhand has absolutely nothing to do with leaning forward. I don't see HOW it's possible to pull forward on a deadlift. that doesn't even make sense. standing too far from the bar is another story, but that's more of a beginner's "mistake" that everyone makes until they get their form down
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10-31-2006, 06:18 AM #252021 Mr.Internet
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Sorry to hear about the injury.
I've had sciatica and shifted discs, pins and needles when ever I sat with bad posture and I thought deadlifting would be something I would have to miss.
It was the opposite. Deadlifts and other posterior strengthening exercises helped strenghen my core and keep better posture and spinal alignment.
90% of my back problems went away, but I started VERY VERY light and got my form down. I made sure each set I was following the proper form checklist. I watched videos and asked many questions.
Recovery, well believe it or not but water aerobics would be great. Definitely leaving out deadlifts and other exercises like good mornings and whatnot. I am not sure if you are taking medication, it's not severe enough for surgery?
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10-31-2006, 08:20 AM #26Registered User
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Originally Posted by plumher
First off sorry about your injury, secondly you're not old but to damn old for deadlifts. ha! I am 36 and there is not need for us to be doing deadlifts right? What the hell are the benefits? nothing. Leave that excercise for the young'uns. I dont even lift heavy anymore, its all about being cut and fit for me.
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10-31-2006, 11:34 AM #27But I only wanted to tone
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I don't know why trap bar deads aren't more widely used. Takes a lot of the form issues out of the lift.
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10-31-2006, 11:44 AM #28Most gyms don't have them.Originally Posted by Viking22
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10-31-2006, 12:02 PM #29Registered User
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I don't do barbell deadlifts from the floor at all anymore.
I'm 47 and have had back issues before. I do NOT want them again. I will do trap bar deadlifts and barbell rack pulls now only. They are great exercises and much much safer.
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11-01-2006, 07:09 PM #30Every second counts
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Does this thread scare anyone else? I've been deadlifting for months and (thank God) haven't had any problems. I think my form is good, I follow Starting Strength closely. Still, reading this forum and seeing that some people "just aren't built for it" scares me- does this mean I have to get injured (even if I use perfect form) before I find out I'm not "built for it"?
, but at the age of 39, your back isnt as durable as it was 20 years previous.
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