1-Androsterone & 4-AD

[phate5180]

Okay so I put together a lil cycle to try these products out. I'm curious to try them. I was able to get these two with arom-x which is an anti-est product all for about $110. This is not set in stone yet so I want some guidance / opinions from others how this sounds.


Cycle
1-androsterone
4-ad
Arom-x
LiverX with BioSorb
CoQ10

PTC
Legal Gear Formadrol
Get Diesel, Diesel Test
Saw Palmetto
Milkthistle
CoQ10
DHEA?


Of course I was considering trying to include tamoxifen citrate for PTC but I have been kinda scared off by that whole illegal thing and needing a prescription but perhaps its not even necessary since this isn't a real hardcore cycle? Any opinions or guidance on anything would be appreciated.

[rip]

Originally Posted by phate5180

Of course I was considering trying to include tamoxifen citrate for PCT but I have been kinda scared off by that whole illegal thing and needing a prescription

Prescription not required, just be innovative with your research.

Edit: Apparently google doesn't work very well for my riddle... since I can't post the direct link try googling "innovative research net". Hope this isn't against board rules.

I believe this is where most board members get there tamoxifen.

[phate5180]

Anybody want to comment on this cycle/pct?

[Mr.Robertson]

excuse my ignorance, but whats a PTC?

[UNCnate]

Originally Posted by Mr.Robertson

excuse my ignorance, but whats a PTC?

Post Cycle Therapy.

[LDragon]

Originally Posted by phate5180

Okay so I put together a lil cycle to try these products out. I'm curious to try them. I was able to get these two with arom-x which is an anti-est product all for about $110. This is not set in stone yet so I want some guidance / opinions from others how this sounds.


Cycle
1-androsterone
4-ad
Arom-x


PCT
Legal Gear Formadrol
Get Diesel, Diesel Test
Saw Palmetto
Milkthistle
Nolva



Of course I was considering trying to include tamoxifen citrate for PCT but I have been kinda scared off by that whole illegal thing and needing a prescription but perhaps its not even necessary since this isn't a real hardcore cycle? Any opinions or guidance on anything would be appreciated.

I made a few suggestions up top. I would not say this is not a real hardcore cycle. Both products convert to testosterone, so keep that in mind. I would definitely use Nolva for PCT. I would use Arom-X as a bridge between on and off cycle. Good luck. Happy gains. 1-Androsterone should be on bb.com by next Wednesday.

[tweak7]

what brand of 1ad and 4ad do you have??
is the 4ad, 4 androstenediol? or is it a dione?
personally i would have went with a diol (converts more efficiently)

good luck bro

what dose of 1ad and 4ad are you running??

[ronjon]

I doubt you need to get Tamoxifen for this. In fact you have a very responsible PCT in mind. I would drop the DHEA though from your PCT.

What is your plan for the prohormones? What doses are you going to use?

[joe dax]

Originally Posted by phate5180

Okay so I put together a lil cycle to try these products out. I'm curious to try them. I was able to get these two with arom-x which is an anti-est product all for about $110. This is not set in stone yet so I want some guidance / opinions from others how this sounds.


Cycle
1-androsterone
4-ad
Arom-x
LiverX with BioSorb
CoQ10

PTC
Legal Gear Formadrol
Get Diesel, Diesel Test
Saw Palmetto
Milkthistle
CoQ10
DHEA?


Of course I was considering trying to include tamoxifen citrate for PTC but I have been kinda scared off by that whole illegal thing and needing a prescription but perhaps its not even necessary since this isn't a real hardcore cycle? Any opinions or guidance on anything would be appreciated.

if its AMS 4ad etc u won't need pct cause the stuff is sh*t, i hope u haven't paid for it!!

[BillyB]

Originally Posted by joe dax

if its AMS 4ad etc u won't need pct cause the stuff is sh*t, i hope u haven't paid for it!!

You have no data yet to back this statement. Noone knows how or if this altered compound will convert.

[LDragon]

Originally Posted by BillyB

You have no data yet to back this statement. Noone knows how or if this altered compound will convert.

Absolutely true!! No one has tried 1-Androsterone yet, because it has not made it to the stores. Since these compounds are said to convert to testosterone you will NEED PCT!!. Frankly I would not risk it. You only have one body, you can't simply trade it in like a car if it starts running bad.

[LDragon]

Originally Posted by joe dax

if its AMS 4ad etc u won't need pct cause the stuff is sh*t, i hope u haven't paid for it!!

And you supporting data for this assumption.......????

[phate5180]

Originally Posted by LDragon

Absolutely true!! No one has tried 1-Androsterone yet, because it has not made it to the stores. Since these compounds are said to convert to testosterone you will NEED PCT!!. Frankly I would not risk it. You only have one body, you can't simply trade it in like a car if it starts running bad.

Then how does my PCT look? Do you think I need to go as far as gettin tamo or clomid?

[PeoplesChamp]

google mass nutrtion they have it....somebody run it and log it and save all of us the wait....take one for the team

[tweak7]

i just recieved this email:
~Without a doubt, the most powerful and best selling prohormone of all time was Ergopharm's 1-AD. The active ingredient 1-Androstenediol converted to 1-Testosterone in the body which proved to be 700% more anabolic than regular testosterone. Supplement companies eventually built on this technology and started producing many different potent variations of this formula. The most notorious being M-One-T, Monster Test, and Methyl 1-Test Xtreme. Almost two years ago, however, they were all taken off the market.

Earlier this month, we brought you a reformulated version of one of the first prohormones, 4-AD. This came and went as we blew through our entire stock in just a few days. We were thrilled to have one of the originals back but we had no idea what was eventually in store for us. Fast forward a few weeks and *************.com has on our hands the "gold standard" of prohormones, a product that replicates the 1-AD's and 1-Test's of yesterday. The name is 1-ANDROSTERONE and is once again manufactured by Advanced Muscle Science. Not only does 1-ANDROSTERONE convert at a very high rate to 1-Testosterone and is orally active like its predecessors, but it also is naturally occurring in the body making it a completely non-toxic compound. Add this to the fact that there is virtually zero estrogenic activity and very minimal water retention and you have an ideal supplement for building lean muscle mass and burning body fat. If you already have a bottle or two of the 4-AD from Advanced Muscle Science, it would be perfect to stack the 1-ANDROSTERONE with it.~~

so they are saying that 1 "androsterone" converts to 1-test at a very efficient and effective rate.

well i'm **~~subscribed~~**
have you started it yet??? very currious to see the results on this NEW product.

peace

[Duff62269]

I didn't know multiple compounds converted to 1-test. I hope this isn't just dhea or something. If androsterone really converted to test in the 4-ad they would halve already come out with it years ago. Im curious about this but also a little skeptical.

[tweak7]

from the sounds of it, you won't need to take many support supps, but you may want to, you never know.

AMS board rep, has this product been tested in a laboratory??
anything to back the acclaimed statements up, for this product??

[tweak7]

Originally Posted by Duff62269

I didn't know multiple compounds converted to 1-test. I hope this isn't just dhea or something. If androsterone really converted to test in the 4-ad they would halve already come out with it years ago. Im curious about this but also a little skeptical.

i feel the same as well
well dhea is a two step precursor to testosterone, but i don't think 1-test.

[slurp]

i am also looking forward to some feedback on actual cycles with results before i start my cycle.

i have found ams board rep l-dragon has been extremely helpfull in answering my questions and im sure he will answer all your doubts

[DrnkMnky]

'm very interested in seeing the results from these supps. When are you starting?

[DoubleUp]

just out of curiousity... would this version of 4AD be as efficient as the old 4AD if you were running Ergopharms 1AD?

[Kevin-T]

Originally Posted by tweak7

i just recieved this email:
~Without a doubt, the most powerful and best selling prohormone of all time was Ergopharm's 1-AD. The active ingredient 1-Androstenediol converted to 1-Testosterone in the body which proved to be 700% more anabolic than regular testosterone. Supplement companies eventually built on this technology and started producing many different potent variations of this formula. The most notorious being M-One-T, Monster Test, and Methyl 1-Test Xtreme. Almost two years ago, however, they were all taken off the market.

Earlier this month, we brought you a reformulated version of one of the first prohormones, 4-AD. This came and went as we blew through our entire stock in just a few days. We were thrilled to have one of the originals back but we had no idea what was eventually in store for us. Fast forward a few weeks and *************.com has on our hands the "gold standard" of prohormones, a product that replicates the 1-AD's and 1-Test's of yesterday. The name is 1-ANDROSTERONE and is once again manufactured by Advanced Muscle Science. Not only does 1-ANDROSTERONE convert at a very high rate to 1-Testosterone and is orally active like its predecessors, but it also is naturally occurring in the body making it a completely non-toxic compound. Add this to the fact that there is virtually zero estrogenic activity and very minimal water retention and you have an ideal supplement for building lean muscle mass and burning body fat. If you already have a bottle or two of the 4-AD from Advanced Muscle Science, it would be perfect to stack the 1-ANDROSTERONE with it.~~

so they are saying that 1 "androsterone" converts to 1-test at a very efficient and effective rate.

well i'm **~~subscribed~~**
have you started it yet??? very currious to see the results on this NEW product.

peace

Aren't prohormones actually now regulated and controlled in the USA and North America? Just wondering. You mean, there still are legal avenues to obtain such stuff?

[tweak7]

Originally Posted by Kevin-T

Aren't prohormones actually now regulated and controlled in the USA and North America? Just wondering. You mean, there still are legal avenues to obtain such stuff?

YES, exactly. there ARE legal ways to obtain such stuff.

[tweak7]

Originally Posted by DoubleUp

just out of curiousity... would this version of 4AD be as efficient as the old 4AD if you were running Ergopharms 1AD?

i don't know, but i have my doubts.
WE SHALL SEE how this log goes...................

[Kevin-T]

Originally Posted by tweak7

YES, exactly. there ARE legal ways to obtain such stuff.

I don't want to risk any kind of flagging or closing of the thread, but that said, maybe you can tell me something about the legal avenues haha. Under what circumstances is it legal or illegal to use them in USA?

[slurp]

look on bb.com for ams 4-ad and 1-androsterone.

as for why you can buy them, from what i am aware is that they change slightly. its not the same as the old stuff but from what im hearing its ment to be close.

the only thing is no ones done a cycle and logged it yet so no one is to sure of the gains/sides etc.


any guinea pigs out there????

[rj71]

Hmmm
Still can't find AMS or Advanced Muscle Science products on BB.com

[slurp]

Originally Posted by rj71

Hmmm
Still can't find AMS or Advanced Muscle Science products on BB.com

keep looking bro there on there.

look under the shopping supersite thingy type 4-ad or ams just keep searching you will find it i did or if someone can tell me how to add a link? i will do it for you

[rj71]

Found it
Thanks bro!

[bart452]

anybody saw the ams 1-ad yet on bodybuilding.com

thought they would have it by wednesday???

Bart