So it's illegal to have any foreign substances on gloves in the MLB, specifically pine tar. But it's said that lots of pitchers secretly have pine tar anyways. It was made into such a big deal in the World Series right now. So how does pine tar affect pitches anyways? I know it makes bats stickier, but you can only apply it legally to the bottom of the bat for better grip. But how does it affect pitching?
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Ok, Rogers took the dirt/whatever it was off after the first inning...and the Cards still werent hitting anything....matter of fact nobody has hit him in the post season.
If you look at the picture on CNNSI, whatever it was on the bottom of his palm...how would that help him get a better grip? When I played I used to pick up dirt all the time to help me get a better grip."It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great." - Tom Hanks
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10-23-2006, 07:11 AM #10Originally Posted by dangoody27
And to get a better grip, he could either:
1.)Rub it directly onto the ball from that spot when the ball is in his glove
2.)Press his fingers down onto the spot to get some pine tar on his fingers and thus getting a better grip.
Looks like #2 is probably what he was doing.
Also, I'm not sure what pitches Kenny throws, but if he throws a circle change up or any other pitch where the ball is palmed, it could keep the ball from coming out of his hand in a natural motion, thus leading to the ball moving suspiciously.
My best friend plays baseball at a D1 college, so I get the lowdown on what a lot of these guys do to cheat (steroids and **** like that). He said most pitchers put pine tar right at the crotch of their pants, like where the taint is and the seams of the pants come together, so no one can see it.
10-23-2006, 07:28 AM #11
It's pine tar, illegal for him to have on his pitching hand...period. Not sure whether or not that would affect his circle change and other pitches but I'm sure it gives him an advantage of having a better grip. It's not like a Gaylor Perry spitter or scuffing the ball like Joe Niekro "allegedly" did. We'll see how he pitches in game 6 with all eyes on his poopie palm.
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10-23-2006, 09:44 AM #15Originally Posted by Epihall
Kenny still pitched 7 unbelievable "dirtless" innings though.
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Rogers had that pine tar on his hand during the ALDS, ALCS and now the World Series. It's an illegal substance for pitchers to have on their hands. The umpires didn't follow the rule book because they never really inspected it when it was brought to their attention. The baseball reporters all said that according to the rule book, he should have been tossed from the game.
He did continue to pitch very well after the first inning and Detroit now has a splits going to St. Louis.Gritt Tuff
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Pinetar doesen't help you get more velocity... Kenny Rogers doesen't throw very much harder than Maddux.
You use something like your spit to make it act like a hardcore forkball or splitter, it reduces spin.
Or you can slash the ball with your belt buckle or an emery board, then put the cut on the ball where you wan't the ball to move. Or have your catches scuff the ball against his shinguards. One catcher I knew used to sharpen his so he could do this.
If you use pinetar you can get more grip on one of your fingers, which will result in more movement on the ball... but it doesen't help you throw faster unless the ball is ****ed up to begin with (rain, sweat, whatever).
For pitchers like Kenny Rogers they could care less about velocity. I would venture to say that if Kenny Rogers threw any harder he would be more hittable than he is now.
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