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    Should we allow teachers the option to conceal carry guns to school?

    I'm all for allowing our teachers to conceal carry guns to school. This does not mean that I think we should give a gun to every teacher and say, "here, if a lunatic walks in with a gun you shoot them in the head." I just think that we should give them the option to CCW (conceal carry a weapon).

    Have them take extra courses specific in the school environment. These courses would be in addition to the normal courses and tests required to get a CCW permit.
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    If we gave teachers the right to beat their students at will, they wouldn't need to carry guns because the kids will be scared ****less of the whip.
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    Originally Posted by irpker
    If we gave teachers the right to beat their students at will, they wouldn't need to carry guns because the kids will be scared ****less of the whip.
    It worked back in the day.
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    Doesn't alot of schools have metal detectors to check students for weapons. I'm not so sure about arming teachers though.
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    has its pros and cons. Probably easier and safer to have metal detectors at entrances, or have security guards/school police officers constantly on duty rather than give the weapons to teachers.
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    I'd rather give guns to socialpathic serial murderers than some of the teachers I had.
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    Metal detectors won't help prevent some 40 year old guy on a suicide mission from walking into a school and start shooting, and that has happened twice now recently.

    I think it is time for armed security guards/a cop full time at schools.

    You can lock the doors from the outside but there are to many ways around that
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    I think it should be mandatory.
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    Not just yes but hell yes.

    Just think if all the kids and adult criminals know theres many teachers with guns , there would be a lot less of this school shooting were seeing.

    Criminal seek out vulnirible targets , unarmed schools are an easy target.

    No tax dollars for security no cost for metal detectors , it would cost the price of a hand gun , to put a big wrench in peoples plans to target schools.

    But knowing how Govt does everything else we will have security guards that can't be in every class room , metal detectors , and a false since of security , there will be more school shootings , Gues who they would shoot first(the security guard) then it would be open season.

    If i was a teacher as an adult , i would consider it my job to teach and protect my students during the time i have them , i would take gun safety classes , get a permit to conceal/carry , and protect my life and my students , it's a no brainer.
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    Originally Posted by BigGameJames
    I'm all for allowing our teachers to conceal carry guns to school. This does not mean that I think we should give a gun to every teacher and say, "here, if a lunatic walks in with a gun you shoot them in the head." I just think that we should give them the option to CCW (conceal carry a weapon).

    Have them take extra courses specific in the school environment. These courses would be in addition to the normal courses and tests required to get a CCW permit.

    The courses and test required to get a CCW in my state consist of an application that is less than half a page long.
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    I can't say that I would trust my life to 99% of the teachers I've had in my life. Most teachers would not have the training and instincts to react properly to a hostile situation. I could also see a multitude of bad things happening as well. That being said the only way I would be comfortable with a teacher carrying a conclealed firearm in school would be:

    -Law enforcement or licensed security program built around this. Something like a minimum of 40 hours of training and you have to pass (like school).
    -There is no available security or police presence at the facility
    -There are no metal detectors or other proper controls at the facility
    -Students should be unaware of which teachers have firearms (guns + kids = No f*cking good)

    All that and I am still not comfortable with this... Good discussion though.
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    Originally Posted by basement iron
    Metal detectors won't help prevent some 40 year old guy on a suicide mission from walking into a school and start shooting, and that has happened twice now recently.

    I think it is time for armed security guards/a cop full time at schools.

    You can lock the doors from the outside but there are to many ways around that
    I agree with this but at a small school this is probably not practical otherwise I fully agree with you. It would help to control who is going in/out of the school. Metal detectors, mandatory checkin and classrooms locked would all be good starts...
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    Yes, but only if they go through a THOROUGH psychological evaluation, and weapons training. Sometimes the psychos ARE the teachers.
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    Bad idea, students outnumber teachers by far, if a group of kids find out that their teacher has a gun on him, they could easily over take him/her and **** could get ugly really fast. Even in prison the CO’s don’t carry within a certain point.
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    I dont think so. We could make security guards armed with non-lethal weapons in schools mandatory, but I woudln't support giving anyone guns in school. We could do a better job of checking students on entry into schools as well.
    Teachers can't be trusted to secure their computer passwords or test answers and those things are trivial compared to the risk of an unsecured firearm. It only takes one mistake and it could be your child who pays the price for it.
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    I can't for the life of me see the argument against this , your already trusting the teachers with your kids , so.

    Teachers aren't shooting up schools , criminals are , the arguments against this are just silly , so a trained security guard is ok , but a trained to use guns teacher is not?

    But the people that love big Govt will spend away tax dollars for something that will not have an impact on the problem.
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    Originally Posted by fkn_give_me_abs
    has its pros and cons. Probably easier and safer to have metal detectors at entrances, or have security guards/school police officers constantly on duty rather than give the weapons to teachers.

    A school that has a metal detector would just be an easy target for a maniac. The metal detector only stops the goodguys from bringing weapons into a school. A gunman that intends to shoot up a school would not be stopped by a metal detector.
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    Originally Posted by saloman
    Teachers can't be trusted to secure their computer passwords or test answers and those things are trivial compared to the risk of an unsecured firearm. It only takes one mistake and it could be your child who pays the price for it.
    And you trust them to teach and guide your children , but you wouldn't trust them to guard there life even with proper training , it's not hard to become a security guard with a gun.

    Ok so lets see the score , criminals are way ahead in school shootings , teachers haven't shot anyone , a security guard and a cop can make the same mistake as a teacher and shoot a kid , ever see the video of the cop giving gun saftey lessons to kids in class then he shoots himself in the foot?

    Sure acidents happen , but ill take one accident instead of mass killings because teachers are for some reason less qualified than security guards and cops.

    The teacher is the perfect one to be protecting the kids , unless you put a cop in every room (not gonna happen) , remember teachers can be put through the same training as cops and security guards for use and safety.
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    Don't the Isrealis do this? You never hear about any wackos making it into any of their schools.
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    And you trust them to teach and guide your children , but you wouldn't trust them to guard there life even with proper training , it's not hard to become a security guard with a gun.
    actually, no I don't. I trust them to aid me in teaching and guiding my children, but i'm ultimately responsible for that, and I decide how much they get to influence my kids. I take the same stance on how much risk I would be willing to permit my children to take by sending into a classroom with a teacher hiding a gun.

    Ok so lets see the score , criminals are way ahead in school shootings , teachers haven't shot anyone , a security guard and a cop can make the same mistake as a teacher and shoot a kid , ever see the video of the cop giving gun saftey lessons to kids in class then he shoots himself in the foot?
    Their job is security however, and by them being the experts in the area of security they are better suited for the job then a math teacher would be.

    Sure acidents happen , but ill take one accident instead of mass killings because teachers are for some reason less qualified than security guards and cops.
    I wouldn't. We aren't talking about money here, but rather lives. What is an acceptable margin of error? To put it in other terms, how many of your own kids would you be willing to let die from accidents which were caused by attempts to protect them before you decided enough was enough and it wasn't worth the risk?
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    what has the world come too when we require protection from gunmen in SCHOOLS for christ's sake?

    instead of focussing on how to protect students from gunmen shooting up school's we should be focussing on the root of the problem... but i guess the root is already too far out of control in the united states.
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    Def. No. That's just asking for more trouble.
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    I'd be satisfied if they simply revoked the state laws banning the possession of firearms by faculty within private schools (not because crime is a problem in private schools, but because it is a good way to break the ice).
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    Originally Posted by saloman
    actually, no I don't. I trust them to aid me in teaching and guiding my children, but i'm ultimately responsible for that, and I decide how much they get to influence my kids. I take the same stance on how much risk I would be willing to permit my children to take by sending into a classroom with a teacher hiding a gun.?
    I agree with this , i have all along been for home schooling , or private school teaching , if it was my kid they wouldn't be in public school , so there would be no shootings accident or not.



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    Their job is security however, and by them being the experts in the area of security they are better suited for the job then a math teacher would be.
    Thats why you train the teachers that are willing , so they to would be qualified and if anything more qualified since there with the kids most of the day.Like i said people act like cops / security guards are experts , they went through a simple class and time on the shooting range that anyone else could do , the expert part is the courage they have to protect us from criminals.




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    I wouldn't. We aren't talking about money here, but rather lives. What is an acceptable margin of error? To put it in other terms, how many of your own kids would you be willing to let die from accidents which were caused by attempts to protect them before you decided enough was enough and it wasn't worth the risk?
    That would depend, my guess is there would be more life saved , so to me i would wrather have guns in teachers hands than in a criminals hand that knows he can walk in to a school right now completely free to kill untill someone shows up with a gun to stop him.

    Besides accidents would be rare , school shootings aren't rare there increasing.
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    Originally Posted by Power-Quest
    school shootings aren't rare there increasing.
    http://youthviolence.edschool.virgin...shootings1.gif
    http://www.schoolsafety.us/pubfiles/savd.pdf
    (last page for summary table)

    They are rare and decreasing (despite gun ownership increasing).
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    I'm just not comfortable putting more guns in schools no matter who's carrying them. Let's hypothesize that a teacher is trained expertly and has a CCW license and carries into his/her classroom. This same teacher is halfway thru the year and 1 student is doing poorly. This student flips one day and brings a gun to school. He threatens the teacher to change his grade. The teacher pulls out his/her gun. Now you have a standoff between a kid and an adult both armed. Will the teacher be able to separate him/herself from the personal feelings of knowing the child and teaching them for months? He/She may also know the childs parents. Will the training allow the teacher to instantly block those thoughts/feelings out of her mind so he/she can pull the trigger if necessary?

    When guns at schools are a problem, adding more guns to the situation just doesn't seem like a logical solution IMO.
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    Originally Posted by Garnett
    I'm just not comfortable putting more guns in schools no matter who's carrying them. Let's hypothesize that a teacher is trained expertly and has a CCW license and carries into his/her classroom. This same teacher is halfway thru the year and 1 student is doing poorly. This student flips one day and brings a gun to school. He threatens the teacher to change his grade. The teacher pulls out his/her gun. Now you have a standoff between a kid and an adult both armed. Will the teacher be able to separate him/herself from the personal feelings of knowing the child and teaching them for months? He/She may also know the childs parents. Will the training allow the teacher to instantly block those thoughts/feelings out of her mind so he/she can pull the trigger if necessary?

    When guns at schools are a problem, adding more guns to the situation just doesn't seem like a logical solution IMO.
    I'd rather there be a standoff than a massacre.
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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja
    I'd rather there be a standoff than a massacre.
    In the above situation, why would the teacher being unarmed result in a massacre? The logical progression to me would follow that the teacher promises to change the grade in order to prevent the situation from further escalating. In my opinion, students who are distrusting of authority figures and have psychological issues would only grow more distrusting if they knew teachers carried. I don't think students would be in fear to bring a gun to school then, but would feel they needed to bring a gun to school now more than ever just because they know some teachers are now carrying.
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    if u give teachers guns, than you gotta go through all the hassle of teaching them how to use it....rules, regulations, etc etc...which usually costs money.....for schooling. not worth it at all.


    why not just have ppl who are actually trained to use weapons on campus? (ie: police)
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    Originally Posted by AGS
    if u give teachers guns, than you gotta go through all the hassle of teaching them how to use it....rules, regulations, etc etc...which usually costs money.....for schooling. not worth it at all.


    why not just have ppl who are actually trained to use weapons on campus? (ie: police)

    There are some teachers that already have a CCW permit with all the training and are just not allowed to carry in the schools. It would not cost any money at all to allow them to carry.

    Having more police on campuses would cost more money.
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