Necessary to carb deplete/carb load if you're already lean enough?

[cflivinadream]

If you're right on target at 1 week out is it necessary to carb deplete/ carb load? Or can I just maintain the diet and plan on just doing sodium loading/depleting? Will I still be able to drop water weight without having to do the whole carb deplete/load?

[BB is 4 life :)]

Yes, if your ready, depletion and load isnt necessary....sodium manipulation is always a good way to get yourself that bit drier....
some peopel feel comfortabel maintaining their normal dieting levells throughout the last week and then do maybe a mini load the last day befor eht ehsow when they cut water and increase salt to fill out as much as possible and dry out as much as possible.

Normally the people that do that are th eones that '**** load' and last minute carb load on pizza and things like that, lots of sodium and lots of carbs, dicey game, but if i t works, you end up full as hell, dry as hell and vascular.

Or the exact opposite.

[cflivinadream]

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Yes, if your ready, depletion and load isnt necessary....sodium manipulation is always a good way to get yourself that bit drier....
some peopel feel comfortabel maintaining their normal dieting levells throughout the last week and then do maybe a mini load the last day befor eht ehsow when they cut water and increase salt to fill out as much as possible and dry out as much as possible.

Normally the people that do that are th eones that '**** load' and last minute carb load on pizza and things like that, lots of sodium and lots of carbs, dicey game, but if i t works, you end up full as hell, dry as hell and vascular.

Or the exact opposite.

That's good to know. :-) Sodium loading/depleting works great for me. But for my last two shows I carb depleted/loaded because I wasn't quite lean enough. This time, I'm lean enough one week ahead of time. I would hate to screw things up trying to deplete/load for nothing.

Thanks!

[JLB001]

Do you still look full or are you flat? If you're flat...load a lil the day before.

[cflivinadream]

Originally Posted by JLB001

Do you still look full or are you flat? If you're flat...load a lil the day before.

Still full. :-) I was just making sure that I would still be able to drop water weight without having to do the carb deplete/load.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by cflivinadream

That's good to know. :-) Sodium loading/depleting works great for me. But for my last two shows I carb depleted/loaded because I wasn't quite lean enough. This time, I'm lean enough one week ahead of time. I would hate to screw things up trying to deplete/load for nothing.

Thanks!

Carb depletion and loading has very little affect on your conditioning, mainly because you cut cardio out your last week ( 5 days before show days you should stop all cardio ) so its a general rule that how you look at 7 days out is pretty much how you will look on stage minus the water....

Good luck bro, let us kno how ya do.

[cflivinadream]

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Carb depletion and loading has very little affect on your conditioning, mainly because you cut cardio out your last week ( 5 days before show days you should stop all cardio ) so its a general rule that how you look at 7 days out is pretty much how you will look on stage minus the water....

Good luck bro, let us kno how ya do.

Ok, will do! Yes, I plan on stopping cardio 1 week out.

Thanks for all your help!

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by cflivinadream

Ok, will do! Yes, I plan on stopping cardio 1 week out.

Thanks for all your help!

No worries bro....

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by cflivinadream

If you're right on target at 1 week out is it necessary to carb deplete/ carb load? Or can I just maintain the diet and plan on just doing sodium loading/depleting? Will I still be able to drop water weight without having to do the whole carb deplete/load?

striated glutes?

[cflivinadream]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

striated glutes?

Yes. :-)

[RBEliminator]

Originally Posted by cflivinadream

Yes. :-)

I know many will disagree, but when I'm working with some to help get ready, if they are looking great one week out I won't have them change very much. I say this because some will respond differently. So IMO, if you feel you'll be happy with your physique on stage now then keep it where your at. Taper off the water the day prior but just keep everything else in check. again IMO.

Kyle

[J.L.C.]

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Yes, if your ready, depletion and load isnt necessary....sodium manipulation is always a good way to get yourself that bit drier....
some peopel feel comfortabel maintaining their normal dieting levells throughout the last week and then do maybe a mini load the last day befor eht ehsow when they cut water and increase salt to fill out as much as possible and dry out as much as possible.

Normally the people that do that are th eones that '**** load' and last minute carb load on pizza and things like that, lots of sodium and lots of carbs, dicey game, but if i t works, you end up full as hell, dry as hell and vascular.

Or the exact opposite.

Cut water AND increase sodium?

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by J.L.C.

Cut water AND increase sodium?

Yeah its a common drying out method....its grueling and not alot of people can see it through, but if you stick with it, it works a treat......can cause stomach pains, well...more stomach pains as eating dry foods without water causes that anyway....all part of the fun i say :

Its only for one day and the end of the day you drink and eat like **** anyway....

[str8flexed]

no need to cut water if you aren't on androgens

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

no need to cut water if you aren't on androgens

Alot of people beg to differ, besides, people that do take androgens dont use injectables up to show day, and long acting are cut at a time in prep so they will have cleared the system by show day and any subsequent water retention from their use will be gone.

Orals are normally taken from the point of stopping all injectables as many orals that contains hardening agents reduce water retention further and thus aids in drying out, these are also cut before show day so no possible conditoning related sides from their use will be evident. And water restriction is common practice. Even in these cases.....If the final depletion and load of carbs and the restriction and reintroduction of sodium to the body is done properly and water restriction is timed to suit the individual DIURETIC use is not needed.

But many people that take in seemingly large quantities of water will still hold water even though they are getting the 'flushing' effect from the excessive intake......this problem is diminished and/or eradicated when the water is cut and the body still continues draining out the sub-q water thinking it is going to be replaced with a fresh supply.

By the time the ADH's are being produced its too late, the majority of the water is gone and the person looks crisp ( that is if its all been timed properly and has gone to plan ).

The flawed logic behind taking in large quantities right through to show time is that even though the body continually flushes the excess subcutaneous water out, if the intake exceeds the expultion ( and in most cases it does ).....water is going to be retained no matter what, that is why finding your bodies set point for water is necessary if this method is going to work to great effect, and finding your bodies set point is difficult to do, especially come contest time when your carb intake has fluctuated.
Fact of the matter is, some people can do this method and use it well, others cant.....

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Alot of people beg to differ, besides, people that do take androgens dont use injectables up to show day, and long acting are cut at a time in prep so they will have cleared the system by show day and any subsequent water retention from their use will be gone.

Orals are normally taken from the point of stopping all injectables as many orals that contains hardening agents reduce water retention further and thus aids in drying out, these are also cut before show day so no possible conditoning related sides from their use will be evident. And water restriction is common practice. Even in these cases.....If the final depletion and load of carbs and the restriction and reintroduction of sodium to the body is done properly and water restriction is timed to suit the individual DIURETIC use is not needed.

But many people that take in seemingly large quantities of water will still hold water even though they are getting the 'flushing' effect from the excessive intake......this problem is diminished and/or eradicated when the water is cut and the body still continues draining out the sub-q water thinking it is going to be replaced with a fresh supply.

By the time the ADH's are being produced its too late, the majority of the water is gone and the person looks crisp ( that is if its all been timed properly and has gone to plan ).

The flawed logic behind taking in large quantities right through to show time is that even though the body continually flushes the excess subcutaneous water out, if the intake exceeds the expultion ( and in most cases it does ).....water is going to be retained no matter what, that is why finding your bodies set point for water is necessary if this method is going to work to great effect, and finding your bodies set point is difficult to do, especially come contest time when your carb intake has fluctuated.
Fact of the matter is, some people can do this method and use it well, others cant.....

water balance is regulated down to the minute, by the time you are thirsty your body is already releasing hormones that cause water retention. What's worse is the notion that you will lose exclusively sub cutaneous water. You'll lose just as much from the muscle.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

water balance is regulated down to the minute, by the time you are thirsty your body is already releasing hormones that cause water retention. What's worse is the notion that you will lose exclusively sub cutaneous water. You'll lose just as much from the muscle.

No using hostile diuretics such as lasix causes water secretion from the muscle also.....and i know, when you experience thirst your body begins its fight to retain water.....thats why its also common practice to take sips of water regularly to keep the feeling of thirst at bay.

And when you do begin to hold water because the release of anti diuretic hormones is inevitable.....you intake sodium to draw the consequent subcutaneously retained water into the stomach and GI tract as it is needed more there to absorb the sodium than it is under the skin.
This is the reason people reduce sodium prior to show day, because the bodies response to the sodium will be greater if sodium levels have been at a minimum for a few days than if they are kept at a constant level.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Also, i never stated that ONLY sub-q water would be reduced and excreted.....so dont know why that comment was passed.