Question on shoulder exercise

[yeow_hwee]

ok, I don't usually do military presses standing up because of the strain in the back. Thus, i prefer siting down on an incline bench with my back fully supported. when training for bulk in shoulders, should i use dumbell or should i use a bar to press ??
i want to bring out the sides, and yes, i do lateral raises also...

btw, i do not do behing the neck presses, feels wierd in shoulders.. thanks for the help..

[BigBadT51]

You should do them sitting upright, not on an incline. From what it sounds you are doing more like an incline barbell/dumbell press. Try sitting straight up, here is a link to help.

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...lderPress.html

[yeow_hwee]

ic, so, which would be better, db or bar ??

[BRIT_BEEF]

Both variations are comparable to each other. If you train on your own db's are probably an easier option to do.

[amusclehead]

Originally posted by yeow_hwee
ic, so, which would be better, db or bar ??

imho, they're both about equal

[shpongled]

Do seated dumbbell presses, with the weight on either side of your head. This'll hit all three heads of your shoulders, where mil. press focuses on the anterior heads. If you're benching those should be developed enough already, so military presses are only of secondary importance. The three most important exercises for shoulders are dumbbell press, lateral raises, bent over lateral raises.

David

[Vehementi]

Originally posted by yeow_hwee
ic, so, which would be better, db or bar ??

I do both Side laterals and front raises as well.

[BRIT_BEEF]

Originally posted by shpongled
Do seated dumbbell presses, with the weight on either side of your head. This'll hit all three heads of your shoulders, where mil. press focuses on the anterior heads. If you're benching those should be developed enough already, so military presses are only of secondary importance. The three most important exercises for shoulders are dumbbell press, lateral raises, bent over lateral raises.

David

I disagree with a couple of points.
No overhead press will hit your rear delts, it is used when the arm is pulled back, like in rear laterals.
If you're benching correctly your delts should not be getting too much stimulation.
Just my opinion.

[shpongled]

Originally posted by BRIT_BEEF
I disagree with a couple of points.
No overhead press will hit your rear delts, it is used when the arm is pulled back, like in rear laterals.
If you're benching correctly your delts should not be getting too much stimulation.
Just my opinion.

Overhead presses: Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about: seated, dumbbell positioned above each shoulder with elbows flared, push straight up. This position is not the same as the one employed using real lateral raises. This exercise is the best exercise for hitting all three heads, and hits the medial head(s) more than most.

Bench press: If you're doing it correctly, the anterior deltoids are going to get heavy involvement no matter what. Sure, different grips etc. can lessen this but they'll still be heavily involved. The best way to involve the shoulders less is using dumbbells. But I know very few people who ONLY do dumbbell bench press.

David

[BRIT_BEEF]

Originally posted by shpongled
Overhead presses: Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about: seated, dumbbell positioned above each shoulder with elbows flared, push straight up. This position is not the same as the one employed using real lateral raises. This exercise is the best exercise for hitting all three heads, and hits the medial head(s) more than most.

Bench press: If you're doing it correctly, the anterior deltoids are going to get heavy involvement no matter what. Sure, different grips etc. can lessen this but they'll still be heavily involved. The best way to involve the shoulders less is using dumbbells. But I know very few people who ONLY do dumbbell bench press.

David

Rgarding bench I am one of the lucky few who feels nearly all the stress in my pecs, big chest/short arms, I hardly even feel it in my triceps. So yeah your point about it hitting shoulders quite hard is probably going to be true for alot of trainers.

I still disagree about overhead pressing hitting all three heads of the delts. While you're sat there now mimic the move and feel your rear head, it tucks underneath. It tenses at the bottom of the move but at the top its almost relaxed. This is the same on military press and seated db press.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just giving my opinion on what you said.