*The Bible* is called the greatest story ever told, NOT the greatest book of facts!

[TeamInzer]

Almost the entire new and old testament is just the re-telling of **** that's already happened, wtf..? Most all Christians don't even know this! They also don't know some other stories like the story of Crishna, Horus, Buddha, etc. which are all the exact same story as Jesus of Nazerath. But they sit there and call those others religions cults and crap, and say they're going to burn in hell lol. Which btw no one has ever burned in hell sorry the break the news to ya...


...:ISCUSS::....

[BMF_Dallas]

In his A Ready Defense, Josh McDowell outlines four basic fallacies that people often commit when linking Christian accounts with mystery religions. I summarize them here briefly: 2

1. Combinationism or universalism - This fallacy basically takes all the different mystery sects from 1500B.C. to 500 A.D., amalgamating them together, and saying that they are a coherent belief system from which Christianity borrowed. Many of these religions evolved greatly over that 2000 year time span. To say that Christianity stole this belief or that one when those beliefs weren't necessarily even regarded as part of that system any longer (or had yet to be developed) is ridiculous.


2. Coloring the Evidence - Basically, this error occurs when a critic distorts the teaching of the mystery religion by using Christian-type language to describe a belief - and then claiming that Christianity stole from it because the beliefs read similarly. In reality the mystery practice is usually something completely different in intent or symbolism that the Christian "counterpart".


3. Oversimplification - Many critics will find thing such as a resurrection story and then try to demonstrate how Christianity borrowed from this type of belief. Usually, this is at the expense of many crucial details that really differentiate the myth from the historic Christian account. Also, many of these stories aggrandize the myth more than is necessary.


4. Who's Influencing Whom? - This error happens quite often. It consists of assuming that because there is an element in an Eastern religion as well as in Christianity, the Christians must have borrowed from the Eastern tradition since that religion's founder lived first. The problem is that Christianity was so aggressive in its spread over the Roman Empire and Asia, many of these religions adopted Christian symbology and practice in order to make their religion look more appealing to stop losing converts to Christians. This can usually be discovered by looking into the various practices of those religions and noting that a feature similar to Christianity wasn't recorded or mentioned in any writing until after the Christian era had proliferated.

[Dr. Painburner]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

Which btw no one has ever burned in hell sorry the break the news to ya...

you gonna burn in hell...

[1dayIWillBeBig]

Originally Posted by disturb3d15

you gonna burn in hell...

As will you.


And before you say it, yes, I will too. See you there!

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by disturb3d15

you gonna burn in hell...

Sorry buddy I won't burn or goto hell because lucky for me Jesus took the keys to death and hell! Since he has left no one has entered, "He took the keys to hell!" Before he did this the people that were asleep in hell were not burning! Lets say de-coding the bible and people that actually study facts are all wrong right!?!? I still won't burn or go there because I've accepted him as my lord and savior. That's all it takes right? Confess his name real simple..

[TeamInzer]

LOL, no one goes to hell! I can't believe people still believe that garbage errr!!!!!!!

[wonderdude2]

TeamInzer, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. What exactly is your point? That the Bible just repeats itself and that Christianity simple copied other religions? Do you have proof to back up your hypothesis? I'd appreciate seeing actual evidence of such claims.

[Jonathon]

I agree with TeamInzer xtianity is just a copy off of older Pagan myths. It's so painfully obvious if you've studied Pagan religions, which most xtians dont hence the ignorance.

[Mauler]

What did Buddha do to give his people salvation? What kind of facts do you need about the Bible? It is called faith for a reason. God wants us to have it, and if you dont, I feel bad for ya.

[dannyman80]

I remember this summer I was at the Calgary stampede and they had this bullriding thing. And I went over and asked how much to ride it and the guy said it's free so I thought awesome. I go over and then he says, ok, I just ask for 2 minutes of your time. Then he goes into this huggggge spiel about God and religion and basically the main point of it was that if I don't accept Jesus Christ into my heart I'm going to hell, and towards the end he said "They bible is the most well documented and accurate piece of writing that exists today" and right then I had to bite my lip so hard not to burst out laughing.

Then when we were done he stood there and said "Ok guys now do you want to say a prayer with me and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour?"

I said "sorry, no". They still would have let me ride the bull but I was so pissed at this lame, sneaky attempt to pound their message into peoples' heads that I just left.

The "most accurate writing ever" part though still gives me a nice chuckle. Ignorance is bliss.

[Jonathon]

Mauler, your god wants you to "have faith" because it can't prove it's own existance. If it was capable of doing anything then you wouldn't need "faith".

[Mauler]

Originally Posted by Jonathon

Mauler, your god wants you to "have faith" because it can't prove it's own existance. If it was capable of doing anything then you wouldn't need "faith".

God proved his existence a long time ago and still does but most people will never realize that and will lead pointless lives and then end up in eternity without God. Its actually very sad.

[tranceaddict]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

Almost the entire new and old testament is just the re-telling of **** that's already happened, wtf..? Most all Christians don't even know this! They also don't know some other stories like the story of Crishna, Horus, Buddha, etc. which are all the exact same story as Jesus of Nazerath. But they sit there and call those others religions cults and crap, and say they're going to burn in hell lol. Which btw no one has ever burned in hell sorry the break the news to ya...


...:ISCUSS::....

and you care because.....?

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by Mauler

God proved his existence a long time ago and still does but most people will never realize that and will lead pointless lives and then end up in eternity without God. Its actually very sad.

I lol'd. When and how did he prove his existance? Did he "appear" to some person and perform some magical tricks? Then did this person write his experience down? LOL @ naive fools.

[heathershubby]

Yes He did appear and what the man at the stampede should have said is that the life of christ (gospels)is the most documented writings there is over 1/4 of a million writings outside of the bible itself that document or talk about Jesus and the things he did. These are texts within a 100 year period which is what historians use to validate historical events that are beyond proof. The Christian faith did use things of pagen origin while converting people such as Christmas and the tree the wedding ring and many many more but this takes nothing away from the truth of Jesus. I am afraid you are the one who needs to read the stories of Crishna, Horus, Buddha,ect cause none of them are even remotly related to the salvation story.

As for hell I don't belive Jesus would have said it if it wasn't true and if you are right I still have nothing to lose but if I am right you do.

God Bless

P.S. I do love that you are talking about this tho this one of them God using all things to the good. Keep thinking of Him cause He's thinking of you.

[basement iron]

Originally Posted by Mauler

God proved his existence a long time ago and still does but most people will never realize that and will lead pointless lives and then end up in eternity without God. Its actually very sad.

And the proof was.................?

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by wonderdude2

TeamInzer, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. What exactly is your point? That the Bible just repeats itself and that Christianity simple copied other religions? Do you have proof to back up your hypothesis? I'd appreciate seeing actual evidence of such claims.

Yes, the bible is a repeat of **** that has already happened. Proof you say lol? Are you kidding? Go read the stories of buddha, crishna, horus etc. WTF are you talking about hypothesis huh...? If you wanna see evidence GO READ you fing idiot!

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by Mauler

What did Buddha do to give his people salvation? What kind of facts do you need about the Bible? It is called faith for a reason. God wants us to have it, and if you dont, I feel bad for ya.

I do have faith. Lots of it! I'm just saying christianity is BS and their beliefs. Everyone is going to hell except us LOL give me a fing break..

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by tranceaddict

and you care because.....?

does it matter why i care these christians are blind......? If your not for one or the other **** off and get outta here! Go find a thread that fits you...

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by heathershubby

Yes He did appear and what the man at the stampede should have said is that the life of christ (gospels)is the most documented writings there is over 1/4 of a million writings outside of the bible itself that document or talk about Jesus and the things he did. These are texts within a 100 year period which is what historians use to validate historical events that are beyond proof. The Christian faith did use things of pagen origin while converting people such as Christmas and the tree the wedding ring and many many more but this takes nothing away from the truth of Jesus. I am afraid you are the one who needs to read the stories of Crishna, Horus, Buddha,ect cause none of them are even remotly related to the salvation story.

As for hell I don't belive Jesus would have said it if it wasn't true and if you are right I still have nothing to lose but if I am right you do.

God Bless

P.S. I do love that you are talking about this tho this one of them God using all things to the good. Keep thinking of Him cause He's thinking of you.

**** should i just neg all you idiots!?!?!?

[Mauler]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

I do have faith. Lots of it! I'm just saying christianity is BS and their beliefs. Everyone is going to hell except us LOL give me a fing break..

What is your faith in oh mighty faithful one?

[Mauler]

Originally Posted by basement iron

And the proof was.................?

The Bible, thought that was universally known. You can pick one up at any bookstore. If Jesus came to your house, would you then know he was God? He doesnt want that to have to happen, that is why it is called FAITH. You have it or you dont. I used to be just like all the rest of the God doubting people on here until I woke up and realized i was being a fool.

[wonderdude2]

"Yes, the bible is a repeat of **** that has already happened. Proof you say lol? Are you kidding? Go read the stories of buddha, crishna, horus etc. WTF are you talking about hypothesis huh...? If you wanna see evidence GO READ you fing idiot!"

Ok, friend, let's go over this.... have you actually read the Bible all the way through or are you just regurgitating information you heard? And yes, your claims are solely hypotheses (definition: A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation.) until you can verify all of these claims. (If it's true that Christianity copied other religions, surely there is a chart that will present what Christianity stole from other religions. And I suppose you could probably find a link to that.)

I have spent a lot of time researching the validity of Jesus's birth, death, and resurrection. And yes, I've looked at both sides of the argument, not just the Christian side. In addition, I have researched archeological reasons to believe in the Bible. According to archeological findings, the Bible is true. If you want more information I(unlike you) will be glad to present the facts on these issues. Maybe I'm not the only one that needs to read more....

Oh yeah, and I liked your insightful response to heathershubby's information. Lol. Your response just strengthened my faith.

[BMF_Dallas]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

**** should i just neg all you idiots!?!?!?

I think the whole thread just lol'd....i don't think anyone would notice if you negged everyone.

[1dayIWillBeBig]

Originally Posted by heathershubby

As for hell I don't belive Jesus would have said it if it wasn't true and if you are right I still have nothing to lose but if I am right you do..

Cool, so you believe for insurance purposes. Good luck fooling God.

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by wonderdude2

Ok, friend, let's go over this.... have you actually read the Bible all the way through or are you just regurgitating information you heard? And yes, your claims are solely hypotheses (definition: A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation.) until you can verify all of these claims. (If it's true that Christianity copied other religions, surely there is a chart that will present what Christianity stole from other religions. And I suppose you could probably find a link to that.)

I have spent a lot of time researching the validity of Jesus's birth, death, and resurrection. And yes, I've looked at both sides of the argument, not just the Christian side. In addition, I have researched archeological reasons to believe in the Bible. According to archeological findings, the Bible is true. If you want more information I(unlike you) will be glad to present the facts on these issues. Maybe I'm not the only one that needs to read more....

Oh yeah, and I liked your insightful response to heathershubby's information. Lol. Your response just strengthened my faith.

It doesn't matter what you say about the bible being true, actually so what if it is right! The fact is Ancient Egypt was in a time before Christ and the stories in the old and new testament were re-tellings of stuff that happended during Ancient Egpyt that would make the Christians the copykat! The story of Horus is almost identical to the story of Jesus of nazareth! Your just whatever bro. and I know yeah you might have ead the bible but I guarantee you haven't studied egyptology or any of that **** or you wouldn't be talking out your ass...

[BMF_Dallas]

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

Aren’t there some striking parallels between the Jesus and Horus stories?

Hardly. For those unfamiliar with the Horus story, Horus is a character in Egyptian mythology, the son of the gods Isis and Osiris. There actually appear to be multiple dieties named 'Horus', but the one who is the son of Isis and Osiris is the one the critics claim influenced the Jesus story. For a quick and unbiased debunking of this story, go to any search engine and find a site on Egyptian mythology and read the Horus story for yourself. Acharya S's book "The Christ Conspiracy" is the apparent source of this list, but the author provides evidentiarly footnotes for only five of the claims, and those footnotes frequently disagree with her own claims!

Here are the claims of parallels between Jesus and Horus, with my responses:

1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth.

Also, she was just "Isis", not "Isis-Meri". Acharya's footnotes don't provide evidence for the claim of Isis being a virgin or for "Meri" being part of her name. Only Christ-mythers make the claim that "Meri" was part of her name.

Horus was supposedly born on the last day of the Egyptian month of Khoiak, which corresponds on our calendars to November 15th.

Horus was born in a swamp, not a cave/manger. Acharya's footnotes for this point only make the claim that Jesus was born in a cave, and say nothing about Horus being born in one.

Horus' birth was not announced by a star in the east

There were no “three wise men” at Horus’ birth, or at Jesus’ for that matter (the Bible never gives the number of wise men, and they showed up at Jesus’ home, not at the manger, and probably when Jesus was a year or two old).

Acharya's source for the last two claims appears to be Massey, who says "the Star in the East that arose to announce the birth of the babe (Jesus) was Orion, which is therefore called the star of Horus. That was once the star of the three kings; for the 'three kings' is still a name of three stars in Orion's belt . . . " Massey's apparently getting mixed up, and then the critics are misinterpreting it. Orion is not a star, but a constellation, of which the 'three kings' are a part. And even if there is a specific star called 'the star of Horus', there's no legend stating that it announced Horus' birth (as the critics are claiming) or that the 'three wise men' (the three stars in Orion's belt) attended Horus' birth in any way.

2) His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

First of all, there is no parallel between the Egyptian name “Seb” and the Hebrew name “Joseph”, other than the fact that they’re common names. Also, Seb was Osiris’ father, not Horus’.

3) He was of royal descent.

This one’s true! But it's not really a comparison to Jesus. When followers speak of Jesus being of 'royal descent', they usually mean His being a descendent of King David, an earthly king. Horus was, according to the myth, descended from heavenly royalty (as Jesus was), being the son of the main god.

4) At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

He never taught in any temple and was never baptized. Also, Jesus didn't 'disappear' in the years between His teaching in the temple and baptism. He worked humbly as a carpenter.

5) Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.

Again, Horus was never baptized. There is no “Anup the Baptizer” in the story.

6) He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

Horus had four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’). There’s another reference to sixteen followers, and a group of followers called ‘mesnui’ (blacksmiths) who join Horus in battle, but are never numbered. But there’s no reference to twelve followers or any of them being named “Anup” or “Aan”.

7) He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

He did perform miracles, but he never exorcised demons or raised his father from the dead. Also, Osiris is never referred to as ‘El-Azarus’ or ‘El-Osiris’ (clearly an attempt to make his name more closely resemble the Bible’s “Lazarus”).

8) Horus walked on water.

No, he did not.

9) His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

Horus was never referred to as “Iusa” (nor was anyone in Egyptian history - the word does not exist) or “Holy Child”.

10) He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

Horus never delivered such a sermon, and, as pointed out above, he was never referred to as “Iusa”.

11) Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

No, he was not.

12) He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

Horus was never crucified. There’s an unofficial story in which he dies and is cast in pieces into the water, then later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request. This unofficial story is the only one in which he dies at all.

13) He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

The only titles Horus is given are “Great God”, “Chief of the Powers”, “Master of Heaven”, and “Avenger of His Father”. None of the above titles are in any Egyptian mythology.

14) He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

He was never referred to as “the fisher”, and there are no lamb or lion in any of the stories. Acharya S.'s footnotes on this claim only show an association with fish (which is that Horus WAS a fish, unlike Jesus), with no evidence of his being called 'the fisher' or having any association with a lamb or lion.

15) He came to fulfill the Law.

There was no “law” he was supposed to fulfill.

16) Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

He was never referred to by either of these titles. "Krst", in Egyptian, means "burial", by the way. It wasn't a title.

17) Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."

No mention of this in Egyptian mythology.

[TeamInzer]

Here if you don't want to listen to me then watch this series okay. The guys above post is absolutely ridiculous and shows very little knowledge in this subject...

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9t9s94-J3Y

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwgToqyJY2s

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs-11JauqEQ

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WJMxvGkI5k

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WJMxvGkI5k

[Ruhanv]

Originally Posted by BMF_Dallas

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

Aren’t there some striking parallels between the Jesus and Horus stories?

Hardly. For those unfamiliar with the Horus story, Horus is a character in Egyptian mythology, the son of the gods Isis and Osiris. There actually appear to be multiple dieties named 'Horus', but the one who is the son of Isis and Osiris is the one the critics claim influenced the Jesus story. For a quick and unbiased debunking of this story, go to any search engine and find a site on Egyptian mythology and read the Horus story for yourself. Acharya S's book "The Christ Conspiracy" is the apparent source of this list, but the author provides evidentiarly footnotes for only five of the claims, and those footnotes frequently disagree with her own claims!

Here are the claims of parallels between Jesus and Horus, with my responses:

1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth.

Also, she was just "Isis", not "Isis-Meri". Acharya's footnotes don't provide evidence for the claim of Isis being a virgin or for "Meri" being part of her name. Only Christ-mythers make the claim that "Meri" was part of her name.

Horus was supposedly born on the last day of the Egyptian month of Khoiak, which corresponds on our calendars to November 15th.

Horus was born in a swamp, not a cave/manger. Acharya's footnotes for this point only make the claim that Jesus was born in a cave, and say nothing about Horus being born in one.

Horus' birth was not announced by a star in the east

There were no “three wise men” at Horus’ birth, or at Jesus’ for that matter (the Bible never gives the number of wise men, and they showed up at Jesus’ home, not at the manger, and probably when Jesus was a year or two old).

Acharya's source for the last two claims appears to be Massey, who says "the Star in the East that arose to announce the birth of the babe (Jesus) was Orion, which is therefore called the star of Horus. That was once the star of the three kings; for the 'three kings' is still a name of three stars in Orion's belt . . . " Massey's apparently getting mixed up, and then the critics are misinterpreting it. Orion is not a star, but a constellation, of which the 'three kings' are a part. And even if there is a specific star called 'the star of Horus', there's no legend stating that it announced Horus' birth (as the critics are claiming) or that the 'three wise men' (the three stars in Orion's belt) attended Horus' birth in any way.

2) His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

First of all, there is no parallel between the Egyptian name “Seb” and the Hebrew name “Joseph”, other than the fact that they’re common names. Also, Seb was Osiris’ father, not Horus’.

3) He was of royal descent.

This one’s true! But it's not really a comparison to Jesus. When followers speak of Jesus being of 'royal descent', they usually mean His being a descendent of King David, an earthly king. Horus was, according to the myth, descended from heavenly royalty (as Jesus was), being the son of the main god.

4) At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

He never taught in any temple and was never baptized. Also, Jesus didn't 'disappear' in the years between His teaching in the temple and baptism. He worked humbly as a carpenter.

5) Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.

Again, Horus was never baptized. There is no “Anup the Baptizer” in the story.

6) He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

Horus had four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’). There’s another reference to sixteen followers, and a group of followers called ‘mesnui’ (blacksmiths) who join Horus in battle, but are never numbered. But there’s no reference to twelve followers or any of them being named “Anup” or “Aan”.

7) He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

He did perform miracles, but he never exorcised demons or raised his father from the dead. Also, Osiris is never referred to as ‘El-Azarus’ or ‘El-Osiris’ (clearly an attempt to make his name more closely resemble the Bible’s “Lazarus”).

8) Horus walked on water.

No, he did not.

9) His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

Horus was never referred to as “Iusa” (nor was anyone in Egyptian history - the word does not exist) or “Holy Child”.

10) He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

Horus never delivered such a sermon, and, as pointed out above, he was never referred to as “Iusa”.

11) Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

No, he was not.

12) He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

Horus was never crucified. There’s an unofficial story in which he dies and is cast in pieces into the water, then later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request. This unofficial story is the only one in which he dies at all.

13) He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

The only titles Horus is given are “Great God”, “Chief of the Powers”, “Master of Heaven”, and “Avenger of His Father”. None of the above titles are in any Egyptian mythology.

14) He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

He was never referred to as “the fisher”, and there are no lamb or lion in any of the stories. Acharya S.'s footnotes on this claim only show an association with fish (which is that Horus WAS a fish, unlike Jesus), with no evidence of his being called 'the fisher' or having any association with a lamb or lion.

15) He came to fulfill the Law.

There was no “law” he was supposed to fulfill.

16) Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

He was never referred to by either of these titles. "Krst", in Egyptian, means "burial", by the way. It wasn't a title.

17) Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."

No mention of this in Egyptian mythology.

Mate, your analysis is not really reflective of the similarities in the Mesapotamian religious world and it's fairly superficial. There will always be differences as it's not a case of one story being the exact duplicate of another. Christianity was a Jewish cult with strong Hellenistic influences (Horus, Dionysus, Appollinius and Mithras to a smaller degree).

If this was only one religion which contained these similar narratives and if the religion of Horus was a small marginal religion then your argument might bear some weight, however it simply fails on both accounts.

We have dozens of man/gods who had virgin mothers who later healed the sick and raised the dead. We even have around 5 guys names Jesus calling themselves the Messiah around the same time in the 1st century. Then you are neglecting to mention that Horus was the primary religion in Rome and it was later replaced by Mithras before being replaced by Christianity. Mithras most definitely borrowed from Dionysus and Horus and it's impossible to see how Christianity also didn't borrow from these two man/god stories.

[BMF_Dallas]

Look at this list of comparisons between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy:

1. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were elected to Congress in '46 (1846 in Lincoln's case, 1946 in Kennedy's). Both became President in '60.
2. Both had lazy eye muscles which would cause one eye to wander.
3. Both had been skippers on boats (Lincoln on the Mississippi river boat 'Talisman' and Kennedy on the PT-109)
4. Both were the second sons in their families. Each lost a sister to death before becoming President. Both married 24-year-old brunettes who had been previously engaged to other men, and who spoke French fluently.
5. Both had a child die while living in the White House.
6. Both were related to U.S. Senators, U.S. Attorney Generals who graduated from Harvard, and ambassadors to the Court of St. James.
7. Both were acquaintances of a man named Adlai E. Stevenson who ran for either Vice-President or President, a doctor named Charles Taft and a man named William Graham.
8. Both were advised not to go to the place where they died.
9. Both Lincoln's theater box and Kennedy's car were altered for their benefit (Lincoln's theater box had a partition removed to accomodate his party, Kennedy's car had a raised rear seat)
10. Both were slain on a Friday before a major Holiday (Lincoln on the Friday before Easter, Kennedy on the Friday before Thanksgiving). Both were shot while sitting next to their wives and in the presence of another couple. Of the other couple, the man was also wounded by the assassin, but neither wife was wounded.
11. Both were shot from behind and in the head. Both of their wives cradled their husband's heads after they were shot.
12. John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln from inside a theater, and fled to a warehouse. Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from inside a warehouse and fled to a theater.
13. Lincoln was shot while inside the Ford theater, in box 7. Kennedy was shot while inside a Ford automobile, in car 7 in the motorcade.
14. Both were pronounced dead in places with the initials P.H. (Lincoln in the Peterson House, and Kennedy in Parkland Hospital)
15. Both of their assassins escaped, and were killed before going to trial.
16. Both of their assassins were privates in the military. Each was detained after the shooting by a policeman named Baker. Both were eventually killed by a Colt revolver.
17. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were succeeded by southern ex-senators named Johnson who were born in '08. Both Johnsons were in their mid-fifties when they took the office and both suffered from urethral stones (the only presidents to have them). Both Johnsons could have run for re-election in '68, but chose not to.

By the logic of the critics, this list is absolute, undeniable proof that John F. Kennedy is a fictional character based on Abraham Lincoln. Of course, I haven't verified all of the items on this list, so it's possible that some are untrue. But by the logic of the critics, that doesn't matter. A list with untrue items will do just fine, right? The reason that this list really doesn't mean much is that we're looking ONLY at what they have in common. For each thing they do have in common, there are dozens of differences between them. It's the same with Jesus and the earlier deities. There are a few similarities in some cases (though not nearly as many as the Christ-Mythers would have you believe), but the differences far outweight them.