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    Creatine Ethyl Ester or Creatine Gluconate?

    I've been using bulk CEE for some time, and I've been thinking of switching to SizeOn tabs because of all the good reviews. Is creatine Gluconate significantly better than CEE or is it just the currently prefered brand?

    Also, I've been using BaC bulk CEE. How does their bulk CEE compare to some of the big cee brands out there?
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    I've been using bulk CEE for some time, and I've been thinking of switching to SizeOn tabs because of all the good reviews. Is creatine Gluconate significantly better than CEE or is it just the currently prefered brand?

    Also, I've been using BaC bulk CEE. How does their bulk CEE compare to some of the big cee brands out there?
    CEE has better water solubility plus cell permability
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    If you are going to go with Size-On the powder is by far the way to go IMO.
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    Originally Posted by daveburton
    CEE has better water solubility plus cell permability
    So CEE is much better than Size-On?

    Originally Posted by warriors
    If you are going to go with Size-On the powder is by far the way to go IMO.
    Could you elaborate on that plz?
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    So CEE is much better than Size-On?



    Could you elaborate on that plz?
    i think the verdict is still out on CEE. im totally against it and im pretty sure no one knows exactly what it does. CEE lacks research whereas monohydrate and gluconate both have studies backing them.
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    Could you elaborate on that plz?

    If you are cutting or don't want the carbs in the powder then you may want to look into the pills but the powder version is the way to go. I've used three tubs of the powder and IMO there is no way the pills can equal the effectiveness of the powder judging by the ingredients of each.
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    Originally Posted by warriors
    If you are cutting or don't want the carbs in the powder then you may want to look into the pills but the powder version is the way to go. I've used three tubs of the powder and IMO there is no way the pills can equal the effectiveness of the powder judging by the ingredients of each.
    Thanks. Is the dosage of Gluconate higher with the powder or is it other added ingredients that make the powder better?
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    Thanks. Is the dosage of Gluconate higher with the powder or is it other added ingredients that make the powder better?

    I really can't say since they are both prop. blends but the other "goodies" in the powder def. make it work better.
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    Originally Posted by daveburton
    CEE has better water solubility plus cell permability
    I'd love to see some studies done to show that CEE has better water solubility and cell permability than Creatine Gluconate.
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    Originally Posted by warriors
    I really can't say since they are both prop. blends but the other "goodies" in the powder def. make it work better.
    I agree with Warriors, because powders contain more actives than their pill counterparts. If you notice with Size-on powder it contains roughly 30g of carbs per serving, which helps with creatine uptake. You can't fit carbs in a pill, so the powder will work better but the pills will still be efficient.
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    creatine gluconate is creatine bound to glucose.

    no real difference than creatine monohydrate drank with grape juice.


    BTW, you could get micronized creatine monohydrate (creapure) by ultimate nutrition. And a bag of dextrose, $3-4 per 2 lbs and make your own for far less.


    Im taking SizeOn as we speak, over half way done and IMO, its done little to nothing, not worth the price tag. My diet is in check and my exercise routine is in check, it just isn't making any dramatic changes. If I were to do it again, Id get straight creatine gluconate or ultimate nutrition creapure and mix with dextrose...probably the latter if I just want a creatine with simple sugars, its cheap.
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    creatine gluconate is creatine bound to glucose.

    no real difference than creatine monohydrate drank with grape juice.


    BTW, you could get micronized creatine monohydrate (creapure) by ultimate nutrition. And a bad of dextrose, $3-4 per 2 lbs and make your own for far less.


    Im taking SizeOn as we speak, over half way done and IMO, its done little to nothing, not worth the price tag. If I were to do it again, Id get straight creatine gluconate or ultimate nutrition creapure and mix with dextrose...probably the latter if I just want a creatine with simple sugars, its cheap.


    As far as the carbs helping the delivery in SizeOn, the carbs come from the sugar, which is supposed to spike your insulin levels to increase creatine absorption.


    Seriously, if the CEE is working for you, keep using it.
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    I would just go with Di creatine Malate over either one of those.
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    There is absolutely no research supporting the efficacy of CEE and any company that asserts that it is better than mono is lying because there is not a single study to back up this claim. They may believe that it does but there is absolutely no way to prove these claims. Regular monohydrate is fine. Add a simple magnesium supplement and a phosphate supplement to combine with it. That is as good as anything on the market and much cheaper.
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    For me the only type of creatine that has provided results beyond what I would see from mono is creatine orotate, as found in Clout.
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    I've been using bulk CEE for some time, and I've been thinking of switching to SizeOn tabs because of all the good reviews. Is creatine Gluconate significantly better than CEE or is it just the currently prefered brand?

    Also, I've been using BaC bulk CEE. How does their bulk CEE compare to some of the big cee brands out there?

    Creatine gluconate for sure.
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    go for the Creatine ethyl ester..
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    I've been using bulk CEE for some time, and I've been thinking of switching to SizeOn tabs because of all the good reviews. Is creatine Gluconate significantly better than CEE or is it just the currently prefered brand?

    Also, I've been using BaC bulk CEE. How does their bulk CEE compare to some of the big cee brands out there?

    I would definitely stay away from CEE with all of the negative evidence coming out against it friend. Creatine gluconate seems like a very good product in line with other creatine salts.
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    Originally Posted by whitedevil74
    There is absolutely no research supporting the efficacy of CEE and any company that asserts that it is better than mono is lying because there is not a single study to back up this claim. They may believe that it does but there is absolutely no way to prove these claims. Regular monohydrate is fine. Add a simple magnesium supplement and a phosphate supplement to combine with it. That is as good as anything on the market and much cheaper.

    You are absolutely right. And, cee may have toxicity issues.
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    Originally Posted by whitedevil74
    There is absolutely no research supporting the efficacy of CEE and any company that asserts that it is better than mono is lying because there is not a single study to back up this claim. They may believe that it does but there is absolutely no way to prove these claims. Regular monohydrate is fine. Add a simple magnesium supplement and a phosphate supplement to combine with it. That is as good as anything on the market and much cheaper.
    I took monohydrate for 2 years on and off and saw next to no effect except bloatedness. I know monohydrate is GREAT for responders, but for those of us that don't, CEE has been a BLESSING. No bloat, beautiful strength gains. simple.

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    Originally Posted by bodybuilder45
    i think the verdict is still out on CEE. im totally against it and im pretty sure no one knows exactly what it does. CEE lacks research whereas monohydrate and gluconate both have studies backing them.
    dont get me wrong- im a fan of Size-On but show me a study backing creatine gluconate (and not that one that SizeOn funded)
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    I would take any of these chelates over CEE, but I'm not sure the particular type really matters. Bloating could be caused by creatine acting as an osmole and therefore holding water in the gut if they do not get absorbed. Or there could be other reasons because extracellular fluid control is under a lot of different controls.
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    Originally Posted by rockingym
    I would definitely stay away from CEE with all of the negative evidence coming out against it friend. Creatine gluconate seems like a very good product in line with other creatine salts.
    Your signature says CEE is like creatinine... Are you sure? Sounds very unhealthy. Just wondering because I still have a bit of CEE...

    Is it possible to buy Creatine Gluconate bulk, or is it only available with SizeOn?
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    Originally Posted by Allanb
    Your signature says CEE is like creatinine... Are you sure? Sounds very unhealthy. Just wondering because I still have a bit of CEE...

    Is it possible to buy Creatine Gluconate bulk, or is it only available with SizeOn?
    It can be had in bulk if you want to try it that way. I haven't seen solid evidence damning CEE so I would write it off just yet. Then again I haven't seen any evidence it works. But is there any scientific studies showing ActivaTe's compound to increase test? Since you can pick up 100g of various creatines cheaply jsut try a few and see what works best for you. Or if you're concerned about sides just skip creatine entirely.
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    bump for more debate.
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    Originally Posted by WMD
    dont get me wrong- im a fan of Size-On but show me a study backing creatine gluconate (and not that one that SizeOn funded)
    i was referring to the study that gaspari funded so you gotta take it for what its worth.
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    Ive had better results with Di Creatine Malate (Swole V3) then with a few CEE products like Thunder and Green Bulge. Im a mono non responder too. Try SNS CVM Xtreme, its on my list of supps to try, but the ingrediant profile is awesome!
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    Originally Posted by bodybuilder45
    i was referring to the study that gaspari funded so you gotta take it for what its worth.

    You really are THAT stupid, ain't ya?

    You do realize that 99% of the studies funded on supplements are by supplement companies?

    You also realize that 100% of the drug studies funded on pharmaceuticals come from the big pharma's too.

    Then again, I was 22 once and naive too so you are excused.

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    Originally Posted by Kohen_Gadol
    You really are THAT stupid, ain't ya?

    You do realize that 99% of the studies funded on supplements are by supplement companies?

    You also realize that 100% of the drug studies funded on pharmaceuticals come from the big pharma's too.

    Then again, I was 22 once and naive too so you are excused.

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    I believe the reults in the Gaspari study are 100% legitimate. If anything it should dispel this myth that CEE is able to penetrate cell all by itself when in reality you and I know what really is required to pump creatine into a cell against a concentration gradient.
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