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    Are stocky guys naturally built for combat?

    It seems like most people who are "fighters", or guys who like to fight, and or are naturall good at fighting come from a height range of usually 5'7 to 5'10. Now yes your probably thinking.. but thats a huge gap. Well yes, but I've rarely seen many big tall guys or really skinny guys being "tough guys" or wanting to fight and or having the natural ability. But quite a few times the toughest guys I know are stocky and 5'7-5'10 or stocky and 5'7-510'.

    Anyone else got any opinions?
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    lol wtf are u talking about look at the heavy weights and the light heavys
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    I know what hes talking about. If your short, you either develop a killer instinct or get pushed around. Im assuming he is referring to the fact that shorter guys (especially stocky ones) are usually more aggressive.

    Edit: Jeff Monson, Matt Hughes, Tyson Griffin (this guy is awesome)- all good examples.
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    Most of the best heavyweights and LHW's are 6'0 and beyond.

    That's not to say that a shorter guy can't be just as good as someone taller, but obviously being taller will give you a height advantage, which a good striker can exploit.

    That said, there are advantages to being shorter as well. At 5'8, I find that I can get lower and takedown a lot of guys who are taller than me at the same weight. (Provided that I can avoid their attempts to hold me at arm's length.)
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    I was about to say the short guys (especially if they are thick) have a good low cetner of gravity and can be quite difficult to move
    so it's a big help on the ground
    pretty crappy at straight strikign tho
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    how does that factor in guys like Chuck Liddell, Rich Franklin, Fedor, Wandy, Barnett, Swick, Arlovski, Sylvia, GSP, Overeem, etc.


    I guess if you are solely talking about the "tough guy" walking around your town, maybe. But in terms of having a fighters body, short and stocky is not the best.
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    Mike Tyson he was compact and stocky and look how devastating his punches and aggression were.
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    well Monson (5"2 or something lol) is fighting Sylvia (6"7) soon - then we shall see =P
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    Originally Posted by Sims
    well Monson (5"2 or something lol) is fighting Sylvia (6"7) soon - then we shall see =P

    lol but monson is not a striker he will get sprawled on possible but if sylvia gets on his back monsons short heavy stocky ass will be difficult to push off his jiu jitsu is good too.
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    Originally Posted by Kane Fan
    pretty crappy at straight strikign tho
    Actually, it works quite nicely once you get inside.
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    Being long and lanky can be a big advantage too.

    There are lots of great wrestlers who are long and use their length/heigh very well. If a tall guy sprawls on you, you have a long ways to pull his legs in. Being tall also helps in the clinch and with reaching moves like ankle picks.

    Being long and having reach is a huge advantage in boxing and kickboxing too.

    Having long limbs can also be very good in BJJ/submission grappling. Triangles, armbars, spider guard, head/arm choke, body triangle etc. . .
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    Originally Posted by HardGainer82
    Actually, it works quite nicely once you get inside.
    yah
    but you start on the outside
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    short stocky guys seem harder to submit because of all that muscle...
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    Originally Posted by DaHooligan
    Mike Tyson he was compact and stocky and look how devastating his punches and aggression were.
    Yes, Tyson was short and hit hard. But look at what Buster Douglas did to him with just a height advantage and a simple jab. Douglas kept Tyson to the outside with the jab where Tyson's power was nullified because of his lack of height. Ali, in his prime, would have destroyed Tyson with his height and speed.
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    Originally Posted by patr10t
    Yes, Tyson was short and hit hard. But look at what Buster Douglas did to him with just a height advantage and a simple jab. Douglas kept Tyson to the outside with the jab where Tyson's power was nullified because of his lack of height. Ali, in his prime, would have destroyed Tyson with his height and speed.
    ya thats true but tyson was like a bull dog he would rush them and swing with hooks...he even caught buster douglas and knocked him down and if you watch the fight douglas was down longer then 10 seconds...and saved by the bell.
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    Originally Posted by patr10t
    Yes, Tyson was short and hit hard. But look at what Buster Douglas did to him with just a height advantage and a simple jab. Douglas kept Tyson to the outside with the jab where Tyson's power was nullified because of his lack of height. Ali, in his prime, would have destroyed Tyson with his height and speed.
    Tyson's power was nullified by his complete lack of training for that fight.
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    Originally Posted by SliCed_and_DiCed
    I would beat him now. Sadly. =(

    Well, he may not be the competitor he used to be - but I doubt you could beat a man if you had a 50 gallon drum of KY.....

    lol
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    i am a stocky lil fella. only about 5'5. might look like i'm built for combat, but really i'm just built for beauty!

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    Stocky guys have more mass to put behind their shots and are generally stronger. Smaller guys can be just as good, though they have to train twice as hard to be at the same level. I outweigh a few of the kids in my Jiu jitsu class by 30 or 40lbs, but they can still manhandle me because they have so much more experience. If you're small, train hard and fight like a Tazmanian devil. That often does the trick.
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    Everyone keeps hating on Tim Silvia saying he has no skills and its all his body type (tall and with a reach). You can't have it both ways.
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    Originally Posted by dixon
    Everyone keeps hating on Tim Silvia saying he has no skills and its all his body type (tall and with a reach). You can't have it both ways.

    His body type has nothing to do with his lack of skills...
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    they have small man syndrome and have something to prove
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    Originally Posted by LionofJud@h
    It seems like most people who are "fighters", or guys who like to fight, and or are naturall good at fighting come from a height range of usually 5'7 to 5'10. Now yes your probably thinking.. but thats a huge gap. Well yes, but I've rarely seen many big tall guys or really skinny guys being "tough guys" or wanting to fight and or having the natural ability. But quite a few times the toughest guys I know are stocky and 5'7-5'10 or stocky and 5'7-510'.

    Anyone else got any opinions?
    Of my group of friends...Two of my friends and I like to fight. I'm 6'3 175 very lean, one friend is 6'4 225, and the last is 5'7 165.
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    Originally Posted by patr10t
    Yes, Tyson was short and hit hard. But look at what Buster Douglas did to him with just a height advantage and a simple jab. Douglas kept Tyson to the outside with the jab where Tyson's power was nullified because of his lack of height. Ali, in his prime, would have destroyed Tyson with his height and speed.
    dude please, Tyson was not Tyson that night ok
    if you think Douglas was the first fighter to try JABBING Mike your on crack
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    Tyson isn't that short 5' 10". Maybe compared to the other heavy weights. Short guys have more mass in a smaller structure so their weight can be used more effecientally. If they good punching power and skill they can knockout taller guys easily. It depends on the fighter really and his natural ability.
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    Originally Posted by Kane Fan
    dude please, Tyson was not Tyson that night ok
    if you think Douglas was the first fighter to try JABBING Mike your on crack
    Exactly - isn't it annoying how people constantly bring up Douglas. If that HAD been Mike Tyson that night (not the undertrained, undermotivated, troubled guy), Douglas would have been fukkin destroyed! second or third round KO.
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    short guys are more effective grapplers more than anything.

    look at jeff monson, and matt hughes, kurt angle, etc.....

    all 5'10 or less
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