hey pal wen i strted i had no abs either but these guyz r partly ryt dont do so much cardio i hardly ever do cardio u wana get abs and bulk then listen, im no expert but my abs came on pretty good after bout 2 or 3 mnths eat as much as u can and train ur abs every night ur at the gym u dnt need cardio 2 get good abs i never any way i was 11 stone wen i strted and been bulkin 4 bout 3 mnths and i'm 12.7 stone but been putin w8 on since i srted and my abs havent changed thy still look the same if not bettr try trainin them every nyt ur at the gym nothin 2 lose eh give it a go.
good luck
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