Is there a significant difference between these two besides the position/stance?
People use the Yates row because they have lower back problems, but doesn't this really hit the traps more because of the way you're positioned?
I just want to know which is better for overall rhomboid growth.
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Thread: Yates Row vs. BB Row.
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09-21-2006, 12:03 PM #1
Yates Row vs. BB Row.
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09-21-2006, 12:12 PM #2
Please do some searching before you ask this type of thing. Here's a link to a thread where I answered this question.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=894197
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09-21-2006, 12:14 PM #3
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09-21-2006, 12:26 PM #4
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09-21-2006, 01:18 PM #5Originally Posted by NTT
They seem to focus more on the entire traps (low, mid, upper) at the expense of the lats by being somewhere between a shrug and a bent-over row. Both will hit the rhomboids if that's what you're asking. Just focus on squeezing everything back there at the top of the movement.
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09-21-2006, 02:07 PM #6
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09-21-2006, 02:18 PM #7
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09-21-2006, 02:20 PM #8
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09-21-2006, 02:28 PM #9
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09-21-2006, 03:55 PM #10Originally Posted by NTT
People use Yates rows to hit their lower lats. In fact, I believe the term "Yates row" is becoming too specific. Dorian Yates happened to do his Reverse grip bent rows with a somewhat upright stance, but there are guys that do regular rows like this also. People call any Preacher curl a "Scott curl" even if it is done with a Curl bar, DB whatever.
Regarding Yates rows, It is just a friggin reverse grip row to the waist. By standing SOMEWHAT above parallel, it facilitates the bar going to the waist, which optimizes lower lat action and MINIMIZES arm flexor action. But the exact angle varies from person to person. One can do a reverse grip row parallel if that is what works.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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09-21-2006, 04:03 PM #11
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09-21-2006, 04:20 PM #12
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03-10-2009, 12:26 AM #13
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Old thread and a good one. I feel underhand rows hit my lower back better than overhand. Dorian now is on the musculardevelopment team so Im sure we'll hear more on this.
was this after his bidep tear? he looks pretty huge in that so It might not of been.
I think once you get to extremely heavy weight to use to overhand grip on all exercises.
I used to pull under/over intill i got decently strong and now just use wraps. Too many injruies happened on underhand grip when you get extremely strong. This is how Dorian tore his bicep and ended his career. he's another video..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU
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03-10-2009, 05:12 AM #14
I think it varies from individual to individual. Muscle insertion points, form, etc all play a big role. I use an underhand grip almost exclusively for rows and have never had any issues. I have high biceps and rarely even feel rows hitting the bis, so it simply isn't a concern for me. Someone getting a lot more biceps action may want to heed your advice. For me the risk is certainly worth the reward.
Who was this love of yours?
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03-10-2009, 06:36 AM #15
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04-21-2011, 02:03 AM #16
Is it just me, or do these pics look profoundly different? Dominik's has overhand (pronated) grip and the elbows are coming out. Marko's has underhand (supinated) grip and the elbows are in.
I can see how Marko's might hit lats but I think Dominik's is a mix of posterior deltoid and middle deltoid.
They're actually something I've been doing without knowing they're yates rows, just called them semi-bent-over-rear-delt or semi-upright rows, lol. It seems halfway between the two.
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04-21-2011, 02:04 AM #17
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04-21-2011, 02:16 AM #18
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04-21-2011, 02:18 AM #19
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04-21-2011, 02:27 AM #20
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04-21-2011, 02:30 AM #21
That and the first pic seems to be a screencap of a video and the second looks like a professional photo shoot... makes a lot of difference
What are you rowing these days Dom? I've stopped setting weight PRs a while ago. I find myself sticking with 3 plates or so and trying to get more volume, for no particular reason."It seems like your goal is not to help."
log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147517853&p=960218773&viewfull=1#post960218773
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04-21-2011, 09:23 AM #22
I like to do them strict, closer to parallel with a wider grip and it's difficult to progress on those beyond 3/side for a reasonable number of reps doing them that way. Loosening up the form I'll go up to 4/side.
I know a lot of bigger lifters like to row closer to upright and cheat the weight up with 400+, but I prefer to do as many reps as possible with strict form because it works for me. If I was going to be standing closer to upright on rows then I'd rather load up the bar with twice as much weight and do shrugs instead.
They're a great exercise when done properly and I usually do them as a warmup before RDLs, but from a bodybuilding perspective I find I can target the back more effectively with one-arm DB rows (I use those big Ironmind handles), Hammer Strength rows, and seated cable rows.
Back to Dorian...
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04-21-2011, 01:01 PM #23
Cause it's interesting.
Ah okay, wasn't aware of this. So the guy in the 2nd pic is doing it after the way he originally did it.
Oy, obviously he's using a lot of his back, I'm just talking about what's attaching the weight to his scapula. It's hard to think of what would do this besides the delts/teres (plus rotor cuff I guess). No matter how much trap/rhomboid/etc. this hits, something has to bring the arms to them. Maybe I'm overlooking the importance of shoulder ligaments which might also bear the weight during straight-arm pulling?
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04-21-2011, 10:21 PM #24
Most people will find it annoying, although I will agree a few years back we had more interesting discussions about training with some of the more experienced older posters (D1, Diamonddelts, etc.) whereas now it's usually a circle jerk of noobs parroting information.
Ah okay, wasn't aware of this. So the guy in the 2nd pic is doing it after the way he originally did it.
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04-22-2011, 02:16 AM #25
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04-22-2011, 03:17 AM #26
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