Am I being dumb? Too early for even 50mg Anavar?

[secret_identity]

Just 5 weeks ago I finally started training consistently for the first time in my life. The year before I sporadically hit the gym for a week or two at a time, and then would quit. I hired a personal trainer (costs me $80 a week) to achieve this : I haven't missed a single workout, including the ones I do on my own.

So, I weighed 142 five weeks ago at 5'8" : about the usual raw weight for someone who's done a few pushups and hiking but no consistent weight training.

I am 24.

I'm taking some steroids because I'd like to reach a reasonable level of muscle mass this year or next year, not in 5 years. That could make an enormous difference in my social life and confidence level. I'm not trying to become 'huge', just get more results out of my hard work.

I took

Week 1 : nothing
Week 2 : 5g creatine, 25mg/anavar in the morning
Week 3 : 5g creatine, 50mg/anavar in the morning
Week 4 : 5g creatine, 50mg/anavar in the morning
Week 5 : 5g creatine, 50mg/anavar in the morning

I've gained 20lbs, had a 40lb increase or more in all my lifts (ok, so they went from like 65lbs to 115...but that still is improvement), and have 1% less body fat. My trainer does the seven site caliper method.


The problem is I have gotten some suppression. I feel a small decrease in energy, longer time to recover from training, and a small decrease in sex drive. I think I need to add in some test if I am going to continue on anavar.

Straw poll : should I

Take 200mg/test enanthate, 1 shot per week, with 50mg/day anavar?

I wouldn't stop here if I continued on steroids : I'd gradually add in more stuff, one drug at a time and gradually increase the doses. I would stay on for about a year, taking HCG every 3 months to prevent testicular atrophy.

Or quit steroids and get to my natural max (about 180) the hard way? Note that this approach would probably take 3 years rather than just 1.

[r1ddl3r]

You should take proper pct and ALOT OF RESEARCH.

It's not about hitting your natural max, but proper knowledge of steroids. They are not creatine and multi's, they are powerful hormones that can FU(K you up. Spend time researching and for the time being hit pct.

[raysmith]

Those gains were most likely noob gains.

Steroids need to be researched fully before even thinking about them. I would forget the steroids for a few years because at the moment you sound like you have gotten yourself in a twist.

If you have begun using steroids or whatnot, stop now & purchase some tamoxifen citrate (nolvadex) to bring your natty test back.

[Warrior21]

Dude you do not just start out small dosages and keeping adding stuff throughout the year. You gotta cycle your ****. Finish up your Anavar and then stay off until you properly know how to run this stuff.
And getting huge dosen't happen over night (for most people anyway). It takes time and dedication. If you don't have it, find a new hobby.

[ActionBastard]

Ok, lets review, you know nothing about steroids, nutrition or training and have a trainer who probably isn't much better.

You intend to get to you "max" in one year instead of three buy "adding stuff" to a year long cycle as you go.

BEST CASE SCENARIO

Is you manage not to **** yourself up, see your weight gain come to a screeching halt somewhere early in this year long cycle and loose everybit of what you gained at the end, or even before.

WORST CASE SCENARIO

You seriously **** your self up.

[secret_identity]

Well if you're wondering, I do have a specific plan :

Do it in stages. 50mg var/day is stage 1. Every 2 weeks, evaluate my gains of lean body mass. If I have gained at least 3 pounds, leave the doses alone. Otherwise, bump them up to the next level.

So the stages are :

1. 50mg var/day
2. 50mg var/day, 200mg Test Enanthate/week
3. 50mg var/day, 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 300 mg masteron/week
4. 50mg var/day, 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week
5. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 300 mg equipoise/week
6. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week
7. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 600 mg equipoise/week
8. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 800 mg equipoise/week
9. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 300 mg test prop/week
10. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 500 mg test prop/week
11. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 700 mg test prop/week
12. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 900 mg test prop/week
13. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 300 mg test prop/week, 250 mg trenbolone enanthate/week
14. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 300 mg test prop/week, 450 mg trenbolone enanthate/week


No, I probably won't hit stage 14 in a year...but you never know. Might have to to keep making gains

After 9 months to a year, the PCT idea is to gradually taper off with anavar, then start abusing Human growth hormone to keep my gains. After a 3 month break, it's back on again.

What do you think?

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by secret_identity

Well if you're wondering, I do have a specific plan :

Do it in stages. 50mg var/day is stage 1. Every 2 weeks, evaluate my gains of lean body mass. If I have gained at least 3 pounds, leave the doses alone. Otherwise, bump them up to the next level.

So the stages are :

1. 50mg var/day
2. 50mg var/day, 200mg Test Enanthate/week
3. 50mg var/day, 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 300 mg masteron/week
4. 50mg var/day, 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week
5. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 300 mg equipoise/week
6. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week
7. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 600 mg equipoise/week
8. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 800 mg equipoise/week
9. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 300 mg test prop/week
10. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 500 mg test prop/week
11. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 700 mg test prop/week
12. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 900 mg test prop/week
13. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 300 mg test prop/week, 250 mg trenbolone enanthate/week
14. 200mg Test Enanthate/week, 400 mg masteron/week, 400 mg equipoise/week, 300 mg test prop/week, 450 mg trenbolone enanthate/week


No, I probably won't hit stage 14 in a year...but you never know. Might have to to keep making gains

After 9 months to a year, the PCT idea is to gradually taper off with anavar, then start abusing Human growth hormone to keep my gains. After a 3 month break, it's back on again.

What do you think?

Jesus Christ, my eyes are spinning.

All I see I numbers & words.. And something about abusing growth hormone.

If your life is depending on it, just use test. enethanate @ 500mg p/w for 10 weeks.

I dont think you should use steroids ever again, let alone in a few years.

[Warrior21]

I think you have no idea of what you are doing. Go ahead and 'abuse' GH, you will look pregnant.
You say that if you're weight dosen't go up more you will add more juice? You didn't even mention your ****ing diet. When you want to gain mass you add calories, not just juice.
How about your training? Is it going to stay the same as well? I mean if you do the same routine all year round I doubt you will continue gaining. You need to switch things up.
Do not stay on the juice year round. And proper PCT DOES NOT mean Anavar. It means you are completely off synthetic hormones.

[BIGSMITH]

your a newbie to steroids want not to blow up, and keep your gains and are speaking abot a nonstop several month cycle which fuelishly includes what was it 900 mg of test. prop and a fairly high cycle of test. e. if you actually do this cycle you will have bigger breast not pecs but severe gyno, bloat and testicles the size of bb's. here is what you should do use your anavar and think about addinq wiiny and or deca 12 weeks max and during the cycle aroung week 5and6 use hcg for two weeks and then during the last 2 weeks before stopping the aas start back using hcg nolva and maybe clomid for about a month. this will give you solid gains you can keep then weight 3-6 weeks before repeating