question about beginner intermediate advanced workouts

[Stai]

My question is that a beginner starts a workout routine that is for advanced and he uses that routine for a while. Will that person get good result? Or what would happen to him? Thank you

[nitrored]

Originally Posted by Stai

My question is that a beginner starts a workout routine that is for advanced and he uses that routine for a while. Will that person get good result? Or what would happen to him? Thank you

To over simplify everything... a beginner (and only a beginner) will probably make gains on any program, but would be foolish to do an intermediate or advanced workout, because these workouts are setup w/ slower progressions that more advanced lifters need.

An intermediate lifter would not make gains on a beginner work out, because it would be too volume/intensity/frequency for their body to handle. An intermediate lifter might make very slow gains on an advanced program, again because it is a slower progression meant for a more 'tuned' athlete.

An advanced lifter would not see any gains on any other program other then an advanced program.

Long story short do the program designed for your level... it was designed that way for a reason

[Nightwolfer]

Originally Posted by nitrored

To over simplify everything... a beginner (and only a beginner) will probably make gains on any program, but would be foolish to do an intermediate or advanced workout, because these workouts are setup w/ slower progressions that more advanced lifters need.

An intermediate lifter would not make gains on a beginner work out, because it would be too volume/intensity/frequency for their body to handle. An intermediate lifter might make very slow gains on an advanced program, again because it is a slower progression meant for a more 'tuned' athlete.

An advanced lifter would not see any gains on any other program other then an advanced program.

Long story short do the program designed for your level... it was designed that way for a reason

the truth is youll make gains lifting with a diet in any program .
But for beginers i would reccomend you try to do a simple program were you learn the basic compound lifts and put some strenght on them (ripptoe).

[Stai]

what do you think of the max-ot routine if nto what do you think is a good one to start. I have weight-lifted before. Or should I create my own routine which I have done before also.

[nitrored]

Originally Posted by Nightwolfer

the truth is youll make gains lifting with a diet in any program .
But for beginers i would reccomend you try to do a simple program were you learn the basic compound lifts and put some strenght on them (ripptoe).

Really? Why dont advanced lifters use starting strength then... their lifts would go up twice a week.

[nitrored]

Originally Posted by Stai

what do you think of the max-ot routine if nto what do you think is a good one to start. I have weight-lifted before. Or should I create my own routine which I have done before also.

If you have to ask... then you should not be making your own program. I am not familiar enough with Max-OT to answer any questions about it.

[Stai]

I just want the best answer/routine for the best progress and gains in size and strength.

Aright now I

Bench 210- 7to10reps
squat 235- 7to10reps
curl 110- 5-7reps
deadlift 245- 6-8reps

I don't know if I should do the intermediate workouts or should I do the beginner workouts.

[nitrored]

Originally Posted by Stai

I just want the best answer/routine for the best progress and gains in size and strength.

Aright now I

Bench 210- 7to10reps
squat 235- 7to10reps
curl 110- 5-7reps
deadlift 245- 6-8reps

I don't know if I should do the intermediate workouts or should I do the beginner workouts.

How much do you weigh... whats your bf%?

[Stai]

I weight 180 lbs and bodyfat is a round 10- 14%

[Stai]

I weight-lift off and on though

[nitrored]

I am going to estimate that you are intermediate... and recomend 5x5. If you feel you have a lot of potential to gain some fast strength gains for a few weeks/monthes then give starting strength a try... I kind of think you are past or almost past starting strength though.

[TheGameKEH]

if a beginer starts an advanced routine he will likely increase the risk of injury down the road. You can develop postural problems etc.

The flat out best program for a beginner is to start OPT optimum performance training by NASM certified trainers. It progresses you through stages to make sure your core stability, joint stability and neuromuscular system are all borught up before you do any advanced training. The decreases the risk of injury and well help you make better gains inthe future.

[Nightwolfer]

Originally Posted by nitrored

Really? Why dont advanced lifters use starting strength then... their lifts would go up twice a week.

becus you make more gains in a advanced lifting routine ? did i say you dident ? i just pointed out the fact that with a good diet youll gain with a lifting program .

[nitrored]

Originally Posted by Nightwolfer

becus you make more gains in a advanced lifting routine ? did i say you dident ? i just pointed out the fact that with a good diet youll gain with a lifting program .

your gains are actually much slower in an advanced program... maybe you should know what you are talking about before you talk?

[Nightwolfer]

Originally Posted by nitrored

your gains are actually much slower in an advanced program... maybe you should know what you are talking about before you talk?

lol i was talking as AN ADVANCE TRAINEE .

[nitrored]

Maybe we are talking about different things. If you take an elite 200lb athlete who squats 600lbs, his program is going to be geared towards maybe adding 10lbs to his squat over the next 6-12 months. His program is setup this way because he can not gain any quicker then this, which is why programs like starting strength are not for him. On the other hand, a noob should be adding a lot more then 10lbs to their squat in 1/2 a year.

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by nitrored

Maybe we are talking about different things. If you take an elite 200lb athlete who squats 600lbs, his program is going to be geared towards maybe adding 10lbs to his squat over the next 6-12 months. His program is setup this way because he can not gain any quicker then this, which is why programs like starting strength are not for him. On the other hand, a noob should be adding a lot more then 10lbs to their squat in 1/2 a year.

Totally agree with nitrored here. Programs are set up for different levels of lifters taking into consideration where they are at. An advanced trainee is not going to be adding weight to their lifts as quickly as a newb, so their programs are structure COMPLETELY differently.

At best, a newb running an advanced program will get mediocre gains, at worst, he'll get hurt which definately equates to negative gains.

[nitrored]

Originally Posted by Nightwolfer

lol i was talking as AN ADVANCE TRAINEE .

Apparently I repped you too soon... you negged me because you wanted me to guess what you were thinking about even though you didnt type it... even taking this into consideration you havent made 1 valid point.