Matt Hughes is the Best 170 pound fighter...

[DaHooligan]

Even though I believe penn will beat hughes...hughes to me is still the better fighter...styles make fights and bj penn just has the style that bugs matt...which very few ffigthers can do. except dennis hallman

but look at matt hughes career...he is obviously the best fighter hands down in the UFC....

with little training matt hughes beat Dave Menne in only his third fight this was back in 1998 and menne had way more training and experience then hughes.

then hughes beats Akihiro Gono early in his career! and gono is a pride fighter.

and the list goes on...it seems he doesnt get recycled opponents like chuck liddell...

matt hughes really does fight the best...

If it wasnt for matt hughes patriotism he would be great in PRIDE!

Rich Franklin is ok but Anderson Silva has crisper stand up...and i think richs fighter with the crow took alot outta him...i cant wait to see this fight.

[HulkHagen]

So if B.J. beats Hughes twice he's still not a better fighter than Matt? Hokey dokey.....

LOL @ the "and gono is a pride fighter" bit... you guys are too much.

[DaHooligan]

Originally Posted by HulkHagen

So if B.J. beats Hughes twice he's still not a better fighter than Matt? Hokey dokey.....

LOL @ the "and gono is a pride fighter" bit... you guys are too much.

bj penn is one of my favorites...

i find it funny how penn beat hughes who is p4p the strongest in ufc...but then when penn fought at 155 and outweighed jens pulver who weighed like 145 pounds and didnt put much on the next day....and had a tough time its makes you wonder...

do smaller slick fighters actually present a hard time for bigger guys?


thats why i think Royce Gracie has such an easy time with huge monster muscle guys...but when he fights a guy smaller then him like hughes who looked like a dwarf but is super strong he had trouble...and royce fought a guy 145 pounds in tokoro and clearly loss but got a gift..

[HulkHagen]

Originally Posted by DaHooligan

bj penn is one of my favorites...

i find it funny how penn beat hughes who is p4p the strongest in ufc...but then when penn fought at 155 and outweighed jens pulver who weighed like 145 pounds and didnt put much on the next day....and had a tough time its makes you wonder...

do smaller slick fighters actually present a hard time for bigger guys?


thats why i think Royce Gracie has such an easy time with huge monster muscle guys...but when he fights a guy smaller then him like hughes who looked like a dwarf but is super strong he had trouble...and royce fought a guy 145 pounds in tokoro and clearly loss but got a gift..

Royce had an easier time with the huge guys because they had no submission skills. Anyone with any kind of sub defense is gonna be a tough fight for Royce because it's really all he knows. Hughes is a much bigger, stronger guy than Royce, BTW. Royce is a tall, lanky guy, whereas Hughes is short and compact. Royce may be taller than Matt, but Hughes is much thicker and more muscular.

Jens was just a better striker than B.J. and managed to survive BJ's ground game (barely), but Jens had B.J. pretty much scared to trade with him in the closing moments of the fight.

[DaHooligan]

Originally Posted by HulkHagen

Royce had an easier time with the huge guys because they had no submission skills. Anyone with any kind of sub defense is gonna be a tough fight for Royce because it's really all he knows. Hughes is a much bigger, stronger guy than Royce, BTW. Royce is a tall, lanky guy, whereas Hughes is short and compact. Royce may be taller than Matt, but Hughes is much thicker and more muscular.

Jens was just a better striker than B.J. and managed to survive BJ's ground game (barely), but Jens had B.J. pretty much scared to trade with him in the closing moments of the fight.

jens should of just continued with his boxing career in pro boxing he was knocking cans out...he had potential he fought like zab judah but stayed aggressive i actually believe jens coulda had a chance to bea contender at 140-147 welterweight in boxing....and he would of got more much more money then mma.

[delta9]

Originally Posted by DaHooligan

jens should of just continued with his boxing career in pro boxing he was knocking cans out...he had potential he fought like zab judah but stayed aggressive i actually believe jens coulda had a chance to bea contender at 140-147 welterweight in boxing....and he would of got more much more money then mma.

if money was the whole purpose of jen's pulver life then yeah

[mfdff10]

Originally Posted by HulkHagen

Royce had an easier time with the huge guys because they had no submission skills. Anyone with any kind of sub defense is gonna be a tough fight for Royce because it's really all he knows. Hughes is a much bigger, stronger guy than Royce, BTW. Royce is a tall, lanky guy, whereas Hughes is short and compact. Royce may be taller than Matt, but Hughes is much thicker and more muscular.

Jens was just a better striker than B.J. and managed to survive BJ's ground game (barely), but Jens had B.J. pretty much scared to trade with him in the closing moments of the fight.

member he wasn't allowed his gi

[SliCed_and_DiCed]

Originally Posted by HulkHagen

Royce had an easier time with the huge guys because they had no submission skills. Anyone with any kind of sub defense is gonna be a tough fight for Royce because it's really all he knows. Hughes is a much bigger, stronger guy than Royce, BTW. Royce is a tall, lanky guy, whereas Hughes is short and compact. Royce may be taller than Matt, but Hughes is much thicker and more muscular.

Just agreeing with what was said here.

Look at the second Shamrock Gracie match. Shamrock didnt allow for the stupid GI to wrap around his head, ended in a dominant performance.

I would like to see Gracie vs BJ. Anyone with me?

[browndustin]

GSP > Penn > Hughes.

I respect Hughes as a fighter and I really like the guy, but after watching his fights consecutively I start to hate him lol. Same old body slams and ground and pound. Borrrrinnnggg. Granted, if I were him I’d stick to it because it’s all about the wins.

And who the hell cares who’d been in Pride. I’m sick of people who obsess about fighting organizations. I think that BJ will simply beat Hughes. I’m hoping that he will catch up on his conditioning and striking, and if he does then I have no doubt that he won’t beat Hughes. GSP though, this kid is an intelligent, well-conditioned young un. I think that as he gains more experience, he’s going to be at the top of his game. It’s just a matter of time. I think he’s playing his cards great right now. Sucks to learn about his hammy/groin injury.

[Kane Fan]

Originally Posted by DaHooligan

bj penn is one of my favorites...

i find it funny how penn beat hughes who is p4p the strongest in ufc...but then when penn fought at 155 and outweighed jens pulver who weighed like 145 pounds and didnt put much on the next day....and had a tough time its makes you wonder...

do smaller slick fighters actually present a hard time for bigger guys?


thats why i think Royce Gracie has such an easy time with huge monster muscle guys...but when he fights a guy smaller then him like hughes who looked like a dwarf but is super strong he had trouble...and royce fought a guy 145 pounds in tokoro and clearly loss but got a gift..

yes little squirmy guys are tough to deal with in the submission game
it's not that you have an advantage being bigger or being smaller, both sides have advantages it depends on who uses thier size better
like I'm big, ok so I grapple with a littler guy and it's hard to keep up with them speed wise, on the other hand if they get on my back I can grab thier anlke (if they have hooks) and just pull them around so that I am in thier guard

[DaHooligan]

Originally Posted by Kane Fan

yes little squirmy guys are tough to deal with in the submission game
it's not that you have an advantage being bigger or being smaller, both sides have advantages it depends on who uses thier size better
like I'm big, ok so I grapple with a littler guy and it's hard to keep up with them speed wise, on the other hand if they get on my back I can grab thier anlke (if they have hooks) and just pull them around so that I am in thier guard

word

a bigger guy has the power advantage and reach...the smaller guy is hard as hell to hold down like when genki vs vitor belfort during abu dhabi happened genki was slippery as hell. like a monkey.

marcelo garcia is slippery too...

i just wouldnt wanna trade with a bigger guy unless he has some slow ass arms like james thompson or ricardo morais.

[Sims]

I think saying that a bigger guy will have a power advantage is a pretty bold statement.. size doesnt imply power if the guy is soft or had bad technique...

[HardGainer82]

Originally Posted by HulkHagen

LOL @ the "and gono is a pride fighter" bit... you guys are too much.

It is getting a bit silly, isn't it?

[HulkHagen]

Originally Posted by HardGainer82

It is getting a bit silly, isn't it?

LOL yeah, I think it surpassed silly awhile back. Gono is a solid fighter but just because he is in Pride doesn't mean he's an automatic top three fighter or anything. I can think of atleast 3-4 guys in the UFC alone who would give him everything he could handle, as well as a couple guys who don't even fight in the UFC or Pride.

IMO Matt Lindland is easily a top 3 @ 185, maybe even number 1, but the UFC are scared to death he would make Rich Franklin look bad (Lindland makes a lot of very good fighters look bad because of his style), so they found an excuse to ****-can him, after promising him a title shot twice.

[browndustin]

Originally Posted by HardGainer82

So....you hate him for his style but if you were him you would do the same thing? Quois?

Naw, you’re taking me too literally, man. I don’t take much serious in this forum

I think Matt’s a great fighter. Anyone who says otherwise is a twat. I don’t like watching his fights after a while though.

I’m just a bystander, a consumer. I pay to watch good fights or I invest time into watching them. Unless you guys are fighting in the UFC, you’re in the same boat as me. Watchin from the sidelines. It’s just that most of us here happen to have the intelligence to appreciate what goes on in these fights. And while I truly appreciate watching good, intelligent brawls, I’ve see Matt’s jig enough times. I can just look up the score card after for the most part or go watch the highlights. It frustrates me to watch fighters I like get their ass stomped like when Carlos Newton’s head got all bunged up on that ultra power bomb.

He’s great at what he does, and like I said in my post, if I were Matt Hughes, throwing asses to the mat and beating faces into a bloody pulp, I wouldn’t be making any sudden changes with my training. I just don’t particularly care to watch it. Just like when I watch some of the recent HW division fighters in the UFC. They’re completely out of shape and it’s disgraceful. I’ve ordered PPV fights and have actually left the room because I’m too god damn disappointed with the way things were going.

I think that Penn and Hughes will be a war though. At least I’m crossing my fingers. I think that if Penn pulls up his socks, he will definitely be taking the title home with him. It won’t be a cake walk though, so I’m stoked. The only thing I’d hate to see is the fight ending with a quick sub. Always disappointing but the fighters have to get down to business and I respect that.

[Kansas]

I think BJ should obviously be somewhere in everyone's top 4 or 5 at 170, but to me, I don't think he will come close to beating Hughes. Because to me, (and I could just as easily be wrong considering this sport) I think that the loss to Penn bothers Hughes and he will avenge it no matter what.

Even taking into consideration that GSP is arguably the 2nd best at 170, I wasn't much impressed with BJ in that fight and after halfway through the first round, after GSP recovered from the eyepoke, I thought GSP controlled the fight well, much like I expect Hughes to do with Penn.

I don't think it will go to the judges, I think Hughes wins by G-n-P by late 2nd round or maybe somewhere in the 3rd. I think Hughes pretty much dominates BJ this time.

[Sims]

Originally Posted by Kansas

I think BJ should obviously be somewhere in everyone's top 4 or 5 at 170, but to me, I don't think he will come close to beating Hughes. Because to me, (and I could just as easily be wrong considering this sport) I think that the loss to Penn bothers Hughes and he will avenge it no matter what.

Even taking into consideration that GSP is arguably the 2nd best at 170, I wasn't much impressed with BJ in that fight and after halfway through the first round, after GSP recovered from the eyepoke, I thought GSP controlled the fight well, much like I expect Hughes to do with Penn.

I don't think it will go to the judges, I think Hughes wins by G-n-P by late 2nd round or maybe somewhere in the 3rd. I think Hughes pretty much dominates BJ this time.

Yeah I agree on the GPS VS Penn fight - if Penn were a true #2 fighter he would've been able to finish off GSP once he got that accidental shot in the eye.. but GSP recovered and won over the rest of the fight, awesome comeback... I just hope they dont make GSP run through any hoops and give him the next title shot on his return.

[little_big_man]

only because he cuts down from 200 pounds like an @$$hole just so he can pick on the real 170 fighters.

matt should have moved up to middleweight by now but i guess hes content cutting 30 pounds like a jackass.

[HardGainer82]

Originally Posted by little_big_man

only because he cuts down from 200 pounds like an @$$hole just so he can pick on the real 170 fighters.

matt should have moved up to middleweight by now but i guess hes content cutting 30 pounds like a jackass.

He's an ******* for cutting weight? Grow up dude...

[bjjwraslter7]

Originally Posted by little_big_man

only because he cuts down from 200 pounds like an @$$hole just so he can pick on the real 170 fighters.

matt should have moved up to middleweight by now but i guess hes content cutting 30 pounds like a jackass.

Yeah seriously stfu. You are a jackass if you DON'T cut weight to fight. It's not cheating, it's not even abnormal especialy for former wrestlers. Everyone on my team cut 15-20lb and that was for highschool. It just means he's dedicated and willing to sacrifice more than most other fighters.

[HulkHagen]

Originally Posted by little_big_man

only because he cuts down from 200 pounds like an @$$hole just so he can pick on the real 170 fighters.

matt should have moved up to middleweight by now but i guess hes content cutting 30 pounds like a jackass.

Not this again.....

[HardGainer82]

Originally Posted by browndustin

Naw, you’re taking me too literally, man. I don’t take much serious in this forum

lol okay dude...all i did was read what you wrote.