Best type of row for Wide lats?

[romo]

I am on Ripptoes and am confused with the type of Row I should be doing. I started with Wide grip 45 degree bent rows. How does everyone build their lats? I did a lat spread and from the front they only stick out a little bit. Any suggestions?

[Mikey1]

Any suggestions?

yes.....pick a better program

[benjamin88]

pull ups...

[timmy47]

wide grip rows actually work the inner back more than outer. it also puts more stress on the rear delts. stick to shoulder width grip for good resluts in back thickness and lat width. works great for me, give it a try.

[romo]

yes.....pick a better program

Name a better program than Ripptoe or 5x5. I want compound lifts and I want to lift heavy. They are perfect. I don't see how you can get big if you don't do programs like these, unless your "Chemically Enhanced".

[benjamin88]

Name a better program than Ripptoe or 5x5. I want compound lifts and I want to lift heavy. They are perfect. I don't see how you can get big if you don't do programs like these, unless your "Chemically Enhanced".

wow... if its perfect why are you complaining about muscular imbalances, which may i add you are likely to see more of.. i think you need to open the box bro, mark rippetoe devised the routeine for strength traing athletes for sports, not for building big muscles, perhaps you should do some reasearch before coming out with such ludicrous remarks

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wow... if its perfect why are you complaining about muscular imbalances, which may i add you are likely to see more of.. i think you need to open the box bro, mark rippetoe devised the routeine for strength traing athletes for sports, not for building big muscles, perhaps you should do some reasearch before coming out with such ludicrous remarks

Whats with all these teens coming in these forums with a "omgzz i am teh ubar" lately?

Grow up and start helping people instead talking down to people. Maybe you are right, but still you aren't exactly helping people by making them feel small.

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[AHTTG]

Name a better program than Ripptoe or 5x5. I want compound lifts and I want to lift heavy. They are perfect. I don't see how you can get big if you don't do programs like these, unless your "Chemically Enhanced".

My program can beat up your program...


As far as rowing goes. Don't straighten up too much or you'll start involving traps more than you want. Up to you if you want/can row pendley or regular. Ofcourse your lats aren't magically gonna grow if you go from 45 to 60 or parallel there are more important things involved than angle of your rows.

[Uriel_da_man]

Anyways, rows don't realy build much width. You need vertical pulling for that.

[k_townsfinest]

My program can beat up your program...


As far as rowing goes. Don't straighten up too much or you'll start involving traps more than you want. Up to you if you want/can row pendley or regular. Ofcourse your lats aren't magically gonna grow if you go from 45 to 60 or parallel there are more important things involved than angle of your rows.

My program has a bigger mustache than your program!

[romo]

wow... if its perfect why are you complaining about muscular imbalances, which may i add you are likely to see more of.. i think you need to open the box bro, mark rippetoe devised the routeine for strength traing athletes for sports, not for building big muscles, perhaps you should do some reasearch before coming out with such ludicrous remarks

Training for strength is training for size.

[Mikey1]

I want compound lifts and I want to lift heavy.

so 5 X 5 is the only program that offers this ????

boy do you have alot of learning to do

[romo]

Then show me where to go to learn, I've searched and everytime I find info about something people say something different. Show me proven ways of training other than those programs out there that build mass/strength WITHOUT the use of steroids.

[Dominik]

I am on Ripptoes and am confused with the type of Row I should be doing. I started with Wide grip 45 degree bent rows. How does everyone build their lats? I did a lat spread and from the front they only stick out a little bit. Any suggestions?

I'd be doing chinups with elbows in close (I like a supinated grip and shoulder-width or close hammer grip) and rows with elbows in close, pulling the bar toward the waist. Around 45° on BB rows would be most comfortable for that.

For rows, "T-bar" rows with a close-grip chinning handle under one end of a barbell would be my favorite choice because I could get as close to parallel as possible with a wider stance and not worry about the bar getting in the way.

[romo]

I am not using this program to get defined muscle, I am using it to add MASS to my frame then I'll swtich up in 4-6 months depending on when I stall. I was just curious as to see what kind of row would be best. What kinds of programs do you run after something like this? What threads have info on the right BODYBUILDING programs? I really do believe that training for strength is training for size and thats why people do this program.

Where does everyone look? And don't say search because I can't find anything thats PROVEN.

[deRusett]

Training for strength is training for size.

I will have to disagree there, I spent my highschool and university days training for strength, not size, being a wrestler I wanted to stay close to the same weight but needed to increase my strength,

Sprinters, rowers, bikers, all do the same they train for strength not size.

I am actually having a hard time getting size now after so many years of lifting for strength.

[Tyrbolift]

I am not using this program to get defined muscle, I am using it to add MASS to my frame then I'll swtich up in 4-6 months depending on when I stall. I was just curious as to see what kind of row would be best. What kinds of programs do you run after something like this? What threads have info on the right BODYBUILDING programs? I really do believe that training for strength is training for size and thats why people do this program.

Where does everyone look? And don't say search because I can't find anything thats PROVEN.

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. It is good for mass and size. A common complaint with the programs mentioned is lack of lat width exercises. That's because, like Dom said, you have to have a vertical pulling motion to get lat width, not horizontal. All you need to do is add some vertical somewhere, pulldowns or pullups. No kind of row can work lat width compared to pulling down.

[Dominik]

Where does everyone look? And don't say search because I can't find anything thats PROVEN.

Search for threads and posts by Iron Addict, Madcow, and Kethnaab. Spend some time in the workout programs forum doing some reading. Check out the journals section and see how guys at a similar training level to you are going. Read the stickies. Try to learn as much as you can. Above all, quit searching for the "perfect program" because it doesn't exist.

Follow something tried and tested which is what you're already doing, give 100%, eat right, and you'll get results.

[romo]

I will have to disagree there, I spent my highschool and university days training for strength, not size, being a wrestler I wanted to stay close to the same weight but needed to increase my strength,

Sprinters, rowers, bikers, all do the same they train for strength not size.

I am actually having a hard time getting size now after so many years of lifting for strength.

Ok well let me rephrase that, training for strength can be for size IF you eat for size. You can get strong AND big if you eat like a beast.

[romo]

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. It is good for mass and size. A common complaint with the programs mentioned is lack of lat width exercises. That's because, like Dom said, you have to have a vertical pulling motion to get lat width, not horizontal. All you need to do is add some vertical somewhere, pulldowns or pullups. No kind of row can work lat width compared to pulling down.

I enjoy taking the advice from you guys that are older, everyone my age tends to just bash/say **** to me when I ask questions instead of being mature about it.

As for pull ups, I think I'll switch the close grip to Wide Grip pullups on Ripptoes. 2x8 w/ bodyweight then add weight as needed. Will that be sufficient for lat help? The rows will take care of the lat thickness right?

[de_barathrum]

dont make rash sweeping generalizations and people wont bash you.

[KopyKat]

Do all rowing movements or cycle them according to goals. You should be doing close grip elbows in close, wider (just out of shoulder width grip) and hammer grip.

If you want to hit lats, the close grip stuff is perfect, be sure to row to the waist, keep the scapula down and activate those lats not the traps.
Ex: Hammer grip cable rows, close grip/hammer grip chins, supinated bent over bb rows, T bar rows.

As for wider grip stuff, it widens the whole upper back and really hits those teres majors, rhomboids and rear delts.
Ex: Wide grip pullups, wide hammer/pronated grip cable rows, wide grip pulldowns if not strong enough to do pullups yet.

Just some ideas, there are more of course.

Oh and practice those lat spreads, they will aid you in your lat routine and also help to "grease the groove" for the lats to be activated more effectively.

[duong]

Whats with all these teens coming in these forums with a "omgzz i am teh ubar" lately?

Grow up and start helping people instead talking down to people. Maybe you are right, but still you aren't exactly helping people by making them feel small.

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Yes, agreed.

Stop the condescending.

[Tyrbolift]

I enjoy taking the advice from you guys that are older, everyone my age tends to just bash/say **** to me when I ask questions instead of being mature about it.

As for pull ups, I think I'll switch the close grip to Wide Grip pullups on Ripptoes. 2x8 w/ bodyweight then add weight as needed. Will that be sufficient for lat help? The rows will take care of the lat thickness right?

Yes, for rows. and yes for wg pullups, although I suggest more than just 2 sets of them--but my opinion is tainted by being such a volumaholic...

[adidamps2]

this is what i use for back work

work out1
DEADS
hypers wt'ed
CG low cable rowes
CG high lat pull downs

work out2
rack pulls from knee level
back attack machine
T-bar rows w/V-bar attached, unsupported
hammer strength hi-lat pull downs

[mostsolid]

I am on Ripptoes and am confused with the type of Row I should be doing. I started with Wide grip 45 degree bent rows. How does everyone build their lats? I did a lat spread and from the front they only stick out a little bit. Any suggestions?

romo:

If you don't see yourself progressing from 45 degree angle, tried 90(torso parallel to the floor)

[AnaerobicAndrew]

Training for strength is training for size.

No, its not.

[KopyKat]

No, its not.

Agreed, i don't understand how people think this, iv seen tons of real world examples proving it wrong.

[New_Kid]

Best rows for lat width, in my opinion, are T-bars.

[adidamps2]

No, its not.

why isnt it?