dirty bulking vs clean bulking

[OmniPotentTitan]

What is your opinion

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[crackyflipside]

My opinion, bulk with less fatty foods and try to keep sugary foods out of the diet.

[JellyBeans]

clean bulk

[jando]

keep it clean and under control that way youll be able to bulk longer instead of having to stop after 25lbs. ive sucessfully bulked 40lbs and im still lean i attribute that to clean bulking

[K_muscle]

That Dixon guy is an idiot. If you don't see a difference between eating 2 triple cheeseburgers or a 24 oz steak while "bulking" then you need to take up tennis...

A clean bulk is just eating clean foods while caloric surplus. A dirty bulk is just that...dirty...bulking...what the hell is so complicated about that.

Most peoples clean bulks turn into dirty ones tho...

[ukstrongman]

Dirrty.

[Defiant]

If you want to gain fat go dirty, but your wasting your time, when you could keep clean bulking, and not have to go on a cutting period.

[1 Ripped 1]

might as well bulk clean because then you don't have to go back and burn as much fat as you will dirty bulking.

[OmniPotentTitan]

Originally Posted by Defiant

If you want to gain fat go dirty, but your wasting your time, when you could keep clean bulking, and not have to go on a cutting period.

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[xxfunguyxx]

It really depends on what body type u are...

I ve talked to a bit of ectos who complain about eating healthy and not growing much...while buddy, it doesnt matter how healthy u eat, if you cant get those calories in...you wont grow. And many times people think that they can get the calories they need from tuna and oatmeal as ecto...which is just way way way too hard and not as beneficial

For endos, obviously you do need to eat more clean, because u grow easily.

But personally I think a good cross is good. Some cheat and some clean.

Theres two rules to bulking,,,everything else is flexible as Lyle Mcdonald puts it

a)eat more calories than mantainence
b) eat enough protein

[sword_]

ad hominem.
You have brought no information into this thread ; simply "this is wrong" "that is incorrect"

answer the questions or dont post at all.

You should take your own advice sometimes OmniPotent.

[trainTilfailure]

i think only the people who have hard time gaining weight should dirty bulk. if you can gain weight while getting clean then you should eat clean

[Jr.Bong]

Dirty Bulk. The nutritional cholesterol will increase tesosterone, making you put on muscle mass faster. Simply dirty bulk and then cut later. Don't try to focus on two things at one time. "Getting lean" is the reason BBs have cutting cycles.

[Oldboardwax]

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[Panblades]

Originally Posted by sword_

You should take your own advice sometimes OmniPotent.

^^^^
i'd like to see pictures. spend less time on the forum and more time on the gym. i can clearly remember him making pointless posts and a ruckus in khanpaulsen's thread. omnipotent's one to talk, darned hypocrite .

it's always a play on semantics when it comes to him arguing.

[fresh83]

dirty bulkin...cuz theres crack in big macs and everyone knows ithttp://forum.bodybuilding.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
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[concept]

Dirty bulking is probably the worst idea for endos and yet extremely beneficial to ectos.

[Jr.Bong]

Originally Posted by concept

Dirty bulking is probably the worst idea for endos and yet extremely beneficial to ectos.

I disagree. Best idea for everyone. Max muscle gain. When you're bulking, you're trying to build mass and build mass only, not cut fat. So why should you even care about fat at all, aside from health risks? A bulk isn't a cutting cycle. Save the fat worry for when you're cutting.

[Dom_88]

Originally Posted by Jr.Bong

I disagree. Best idea for everyone. Max muscle gain. When you're bulking, you're trying to build mass and build mass only, not cut fat. So why should you even care about fat at all, aside from health risks? A bulk isn't a cutting cycle. Save the fat worry for when you're cutting.

I have to disagree. If you're inclined to gaining fat easily, a clean bulk is better for you. You're better able to be very careful with your cals and control them.

I don't seem to gain fat as easily as I used to and my metabolism is much more efficient than it used to be when I was fat, but I still prefer a clean bulk. Body recomp FTW!

[Jr.Bong]

That's the thing. Bulking ISN'T about controlling calories. You're getting your goals mixed up, you're trying to do two things at once: Build mass and stay lean. Can't do that buddy, that's why we have cycles.

Goals:

Bulking Cycle: Put on mass
Cutitng Cycle: Lose fat while maintaining as much lean mass as possible gained from bulking

See, the point of bulking is to GAIN. It doesn't matter if you gain easier than others or not. Inclined to putting on mass more than others? Good for you, dirty bulking will only help. Not as inclined? Great, dirty bulk like your life depends on it.

It doesn't matter HOW much fat you put on (only thing that could barely matter is to make sure you don't create new fat cells, only re-fill the ones that were drained during your last cut), that's what the cutting cycle is for.

Dirty bulking is the best bulking. Why? Because bulking is more than just "increase calories and protein and lift." You've got to know what triggers muscle gain and not. Cholesterol is ass kicking for testosterone, which will help you put on mass easier. Stop eating subway sandwhiches, and start eating Whoppers and Whopper Jrs. I garuntee, you'll have a steeper mass incline than you did before. And whatever fat you gained, you just lose it on the cutting cycle.

Remember, the goal of the bulking cycle isn't to look pretty. If anything, the bulking cycle is the only time a bodybuilder is allowed to NOT look pretty. XD

[Sontizzle]

you might as well do a clean bulk and get yourself use to eating GOOD healthy food because when you cut u cant even think about eating something from a fastfood place.

[concept]

Originally Posted by Jr.Bong

I disagree. Best idea for everyone. Max muscle gain. When you're bulking, you're trying to build mass and build mass only, not cut fat. So why should you even care about fat at all, aside from health risks? A bulk isn't a cutting cycle. Save the fat worry for when you're cutting.

Are you an endo? Have you have any idea how fast some endos put on fat?

[Jr.Bong]

Matter of fact, I'm partially an endo, yes. And I never do clean bulks - they never put on mass for me. I did a clean bulk for a while, I only put on about less than a pound every week. The minute I started dirty bulking, I put on atleast 1 lbs every week. And considering muscle weighs more than fat, I doubt it was mostly fat.

And you're missing my point: It doesn't matter how fast you put on fat. Fat doesn't become permanent. The only thing that's permanent are fat cells once they're created, and they can all SHRINK.

Again, fat doesn't matter - it's a bulk. It's mass. Get your mind used to the idea that these cycles have purposes. The point of a bulk isn't to try to stay as lean as possible, and the point of a cutting cycle isn't to try to see how much mass you can gain while staying lean. You bulk to put on mass. With mass will ALWAYS come fat. Deal with it during the cutting cycle. You cut to lose fat. With fat loss will ALWAYS be some muscle loss. This is why we have the two cycles. One fixes the problems of the other.

[blinKme431]

I'm inclined to agree with Jr. Bong.

Fat gain is first and foremost due to a caloric surplus - this can exist with both 'dirty' and 'clean' diets. 'Proper nutrition' is incredibly overrated IMHO. When you're competition level maybe, but otherwise...no.

[Jr.Bong]

Hey, even at competition level. Some of the best bodybuilders in the world, when it comes bulking time, eat like fatasses. Why? Because they know their priorities. When you're bulking, your first and foremost priority is to gain mass. You don't let anything get in the way of this, especially not fear of fat gains. This allows you to maximize your opportunity. It's all economics. It's a trade off. You trade your cuts for the moment, to get bigger, and get mass you can keep. Then when you go to your cutting cycle, you trade off some mass (but not a lot) to get back your cuts. If you try to stay lean while bulking, you're only limiting your own potential.

[martinelli]

I sent you a PM Jr.Bong

[Oldboardwax]

all i know is cutting SUCKS ballz THE WORST hate it

but thats just me

im not exactly sure which is better but take into consideration that even though you may gain muscle faster on a dirty, you have to take into account all the time its gonna take to burn that off.

is the overall mass gain of that better than a clean in which it takes longer for the muscle gain but less for the cut?

[Jr.Bong]

Originally Posted by Oldboardwax

all i know is cutting SUCKS ballz THE WORST hate it

but thats just me

im not exactly sure which is better but take into consideration that even though you may gain muscle faster on a dirty, you have to take into account all the time its gonna take to burn that off.

is the overall mass gain of that better than a clean in which it takes longer for the muscle gain but less for the cut?

It's easier for your body to lose large amounts of fat than small amounts. Your body is made to survive, not look pretty. The last thing it wants to do is go to a fat percentage it's not used to. Your cutting cycle will probably be much easier when you're not trying to make a BF% difference between 12 and 10 but instead a fiference between 20 and 10.

And either way, you're going to have a large amount of fat to lose. It's just a question of how long/easy of a bulking cycle you want. Both roads lead to the same goal, and same problems, just one takes longer than the other.

[live2lift4life]

I agree with jr.bong 100%.

[m3ds]

I agree with him as well, only because I don't have the discipline to clean bulk and agreeing makes myself feel better about my **** diet.