Waxy Maize Starch

[Blast_]

I want to say that waxy maize starch is an amazing product. This can be found in Nutrex's Vitargo CGL, Pure Vitargo, or TP's bulk waxy maize starch. This carbohydrate has been stirring up a big deal of commotion on other boards, but oddly not here.

There have been many people experimenting with WMS in different ways and the most beneficial ways so far are carbing up and filling out during the last few days of contest prep and as a postworkout carb.

I found some info on this forum here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...y+maize+starch

I myself have been experimenting with WMS. For a while I used 2 scoops postworkout only. I could actually feel it working. Because this carb empties the gut so fast some people say they feel "hypOglycemic," in which I agree.

Lately I have been dosing it differently:
- 1 scoop before meal 1
- 1 scoop before meal 2
- 1 scoop preworkout with 2g CEE. 20 min later, I have my preworkout meal. 40 minutes later... TRAIN.
- 2 scoops postworkout with 2g CEE and 10g L-Leucine. 20 minutes later, 54g WPI shake + 100g Oats.

I guess you can say I am megadosing WMS.

Holy ****. The past 5-6 weeks have been great. My skin has been feeling tighter than its ever been. The pumps are amazing at the gym. There is a definate increase in muscle fullness no doubt.

The awesome thing is that I am adding about ~130g carbs to my diet and I have not measured any bodyfat gain.

These carbs are obviously not your typical carbohydrate.

I've seen feedback on other forums, but I'd like to see some here as well.

[sonicology]

Good info Blast, sounds like you're getting some good results.

I have a question which I hope you can answer. In my pwo shake at the moment I take 30g of whey isolate with 30g each of dextrose/maltodextrin and 10g of leucine. The problem is that it kills my appetite for a good couple of hours afterward (I'm guessing because of the dextrose) which makes getting a good solid ppwo meal difficult for me.

So my question is have you noticed any gastrointestinal discomfort since using wms? I'm hoping using it as my pwo carb source will eliminate this for me. Thanks!

[hotasice2003]

Very interesting....... so, this bypasses the stomach, so therefore it requires no digestion? I seem to have some slight stomach disomfort while taken my during workout CHO........ maybe WMS would not cause this.... ??? I'll give a shot some time......

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by sonicology

Good info Blast, sounds like you're getting some good results.

I have a question which I hope you can answer. In my pwo shake at the moment I take 30g of whey isolate with 30g each of dextrose/maltodextrin and 10g of leucine. The problem is that it kills my appetite for a good couple of hours afterward (I'm guessing because of the dextrose) which makes getting a good solid ppwo meal difficult for me.

So my question is have you noticed any gastrointestinal discomfort since using wms? I'm hoping using it as my pwo carb source will eliminate this for me. Thanks!

Feedback from other boards really praise WMS in how fast it can fill out a competitor without distention or GI discomfort.

I have not recieved any stomach discomfort while on WMS. And it surely does not really effect my appetite.

[sobelik]

I too have been dabbling with WMS! I must give Rev Minister credit, because he is the one who told me about it and told me where to get it. I have been doing One scoop preworkout with XR and one scoop postworkout+1 scoop dextrose... I might switch it up and start using two scoops WMS instead of the dextrose

NO stomach discomfort too!

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by sobelik

I too have been dabbling with WMS! I must give Rev Minister credit, because he is the one who told me about it and told me where to get it. I have been doing One scoop preworkout with XR and one scoop postworkout+1 scoop dextrose... I might switch it up and start using two scoops WMS instead of the dextrose

NO stomach discomfort too!

The dextrose has a much lower molecular weight than the WMS, which in turn could slow down the absorbtion, which is the main point.

There isn't much research going on about WMS, and so it is up to mostly gym testing to find out optimal doses.

What really interests me is if there is a end point to how much WMS we can ingest before there is fat gain or before our bodies won't absorb any more(i.e. creatine). Once I can get enough money, I may try testing it out at 3-4 scoops postworkout and/or 2 scoops before my first 2 meals. As of now from personal experience, it's like BCAA's: the more the better.

There is one guy I know who talked about how he is using 3 scoops preworkout and 4-5 scoops postworkout.

Give 2 scoops a try for a week and make sure to tell us how it goes or if you feel any different!

[Blast_]

Bump for others.

[sobelik]

Originally Posted by Blast_

The dextrose has a much lower molecular weight than the WMS, which in turn could slow down the absorbtion, which is the main point.

There isn't much research going on about WMS, and so it is up to mostly gym testing to find out optimal doses.

What really interests me is if there is a end point to how much WMS we can ingest before there is fat gain or before our bodies won't absorb any more(i.e. creatine). Once I can get enough money, I may try testing it out at 3-4 scoops postworkout and/or 2 scoops before my first 2 meals. As of now from personal experience, it's like BCAA's: the more the better.

There is one guy I know who talked about how he is using 3 scoops preworkout and 4-5 scoops postworkout.

Give 2 scoops a try for a week and make sure to tell us how it goes or if you feel any different!

I did one scoop preworkout today and two scoops post with whey Hydro....
My legs feel SWOLE... but they normally do after agood leg day

[sobelik]

Originally Posted by whitedevil74

How are your energy levels with it and what exactly is its point if it is just passing straight through your system. I am not being facicious, I am truly curious about this. I remember reading about this at intense muscle a while ago.

Energy levels....hmm Ill have to try it tomorow, on cardio day. I try to go without stims on cardio day.... Ill post feedback tomorow night..

[whitedevil74]

Thanks for responding. Looking forward to the update.

[Blast_]

From personal experience, I can say that after 2 weeks of WMS, I feel a high energy increase while at the gym. It's not really just after 1 dose, but after several doses over time.

[K_muscle]

I like WMS. Particularly usesful for carb ups. I don't think you will notice TOO much of a difference if you already eat alot of carbs. However when you are dieting down and are carb depleting WMS fills you up nicely

[musclemilk]

great product; I use it post workout.

The good thing about WM is that poeple that need to put down 600-700 grams of carbs wm makes it possible.

[Blast_]

Thanks for adding to the feedback guys. I agree with both you guys totally.

[njmuscle66]

I use Vitagro currently but will try out the TP product once I need to reorder. I also use high dosages of Alpha Lipoic Acid (glucophase) post workout to maximinze gylcogen replenishment

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by njmuscle66

I use Vitagro currently but will try out the TP product once I need to reorder. I also use high dosages of Alpha Lipoic Acid (glucophase) post workout to maximinze gylcogen replenishment

What's your postworkout protocol like?

Oh yea I got a discount code from TP if you want it, PM me .

[hotasice2003]

Hey Blast, what does WMS taste like? Do you think it would be good to mix with BCAA's and EAA's and drink DURING the workout?

[sobelik]

Originally Posted by hotasice2003

Hey Blast, what does WMS taste like? Do you think it would be good to mix with BCAA's and EAA's and drink DURING the workout?

WMS doesnt have much of a taste at all, at least to me... It just makes things a lil thicker

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by hotasice2003

Hey Blast, what does WMS taste like? Do you think it would be good to mix with BCAA's and EAA's and drink DURING the workout?

WMS is truely flavorless, unlike some products that claim to be flavorless but still tastes like ****. Depending on how much water you are using, the texture can be like drinking mud(yep mud) or drinking water.

It would be fine to mix it with BCAA's and EAA's. They may slow absorbtion down of WMS a LITTLE bit, but not by much. At the same time, because of the high molecular weight of WMS, the WMS may pull the BCAA's and EAA's through the gut faster speeding the absorbtion of the BCAA's/EAA's.

As for taking it during a workout, I have not tried this yet and haven't heard any feedback from anyone else about taking it this way. Sorry I don't have an answer. But if you decide to try this method out, try it for a week or two and let us know the results .

[hotasice2003]

Originally Posted by Blast_

WMS is truely flavorless, unlike some products that claim to be flavorless but still tastes like ****. Depending on how much water you are using, the texture can be like drinking mud(yep mud) or drinking water.

It would be fine to mix it with BCAA's and EAA's. They may slow absorbtion down of WMS a LITTLE bit, but not by much. At the same time, because of the high molecular weight of WMS, the WMS may pull the BCAA's and EAA's through the gut faster speeding the absorbtion of the BCAA's/EAA's.

As for taking it during a workout, I have not tried this yet and haven't heard any feedback from anyone else about taking it this way. Sorry I don't have an answer. But if you decide to try this method out, try it for a week or two and let us know the results .

Thanks bro. Yea, the only time I take high=GI CHO is actually during the workout. I am doing a log for EPIC, but will probably try some of this after that, or the next time I need to order something from TP......

[beavesmx44]

I have not used this myself but I heard it is digested so quickly that it does not create a large insulin response. Although when people added other stuff to it they started to feel hypo. If this is true I would take the desired amount post-wo, then wait 20 min. before having my protien shake and the like.

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by beavesmx44

I have not used this myself but I heard it is digested so quickly that it does not create a large insulin response. Although when people added other stuff to it they started to feel hypo. If this is true I would take the desired amount post-wo, then wait 20 min. before having my protien shake and the like.

That is exactly what I do. See my first post .

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Vitagrow suppliments dont really seem to be available in the uk. has anyone else noticed this?

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by beavesmx44

I have not used this myself but I heard it is digested so quickly that it does not create a large insulin response. Although when people added other stuff to it they started to feel hypo. If this is true I would take the desired amount post-wo, then wait 20 min. before having my protien shake and the like.

Why take a dose post workout than drink a post workout shake? Just for carb replenishment?

[antihero]

BLAST_, how much weight are you up since starting this WMS setup?

[avian]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

Why take a dose post workout than drink a post workout shake? Just for carb replenishment?

theorically protein would delay the wms digestion

i think thats it

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

Why take a dose post workout than drink a post workout shake? Just for carb replenishment?

Yes. It empties the stomach VERY quickly due to its high molecular weight. I actually feel it filling me back out after a workout. 20 minutes later I have my PWO shake so that it does not effect the absorbtion of the WMS.

[Blast_]

Originally Posted by antihero

BLAST_, how much weight are you up since starting this WMS setup?

I am up 5-6 lbs after the first 2 weeks. Now I am just gaining like normal again. I guess I am totally filled out.

[retro_roots]

Originally Posted by Blast_

Yes. It empties the stomach VERY quickly due to its high molecular weight. I actually feel it filling me back out after a workout. 20 minutes later I have my PWO shake so that it does not effect the absorbtion of the WMS.

What about something like 30 g. Low Peptide length WPH with 50 g. WMS, Leucine, Creatine, and whatever else you wanted to throw in for PWO. That seems ridiculously good IMO and this way you could get your Protein in with the WMS and not slow the absorbtion nearly as much, if at all.

[njmuscle66]

Originally Posted by Blast_

What's your postworkout protocol like?

Oh yea I got a discount code from TP if you want it, PM me .

sorry blast I must have missed this

Post workout
1 serving Vitagro
5 grams creatine
2 serving Scivation Xtend (BCAA's)
2-3 capsules DS Glucophase


I wait about 30 minutes before taking my whey isolate since there has been some discuss of it being better not to mix it with the vitagro.

I would be interested in that discount code