Being a Raw Vegan and healing yourself - anyone know about this?

[taoofjord]

I've been reading up on people who eat at least 80% organic raw food (fruits, nuts, dehydrated or juiced foods, salads, veggies...) and the theory is that when you eat raw it is MUCH easier for your stomach to digest the food. Not only that, but because it isn't cooked and because it's so easy to digest, you end up getting more nutrients than you ever could eating like the typical person does.

Because of this and the fact that your stomach doesn't have to work hard, many people have reported that various diseases, illnesses, and such have gotten better or healed completely. Scars apparently fade, indigestion/heart burn are no longer a problem, even arthritic pain lessens.

There are also those who bodybuild pretty successfully on a raw vegan diet. Protein is gotten from plants, fruits, and veggies. As well, eating raw vegan is a great way to lose weight and if you eat properly you will not be defiecient in any vitamins or minerals.

Now, I'm not about to switch but I AM curious about it. I find the idea fascinating and I'm curious if anyone here knows more about it or has tried it themselves.

[grapemaster]

i've tried it from ethical standpoint in the end though for bodybuilding best to get your meat... got thousands of years of evolution behind ya. i do eat pretty much all raw though, and yes you can eat a good bit more than eating processed stuff and not have weight issues... clearer skin. etc. also agree on the indigestion.

havent noticed any of scar fading though, i have stretch marks from working out and scars from being, no signs of difference.

i guess u can say im a vegan in spirit from ethical and minimalistic point of view when it comes to lots of things in nutrition but that lean meat is probably in your best interest. plus have lots of stuff you cant get such as the b12, etc.

[taoofjord]

Originally Posted by grapemaster

i've tried it from ethical standpoint in the end though for bodybuilding best to get your meat... got thousands of years of evolution behind ya. i do eat pretty much all raw though, and yes you can eat a good bit more than eating processed stuff and not have weight issues... clearer skin. etc. also agree on the indigestion.

havent noticed any of scar fading though, i have stretch marks from working out and scars from being, no signs of difference.

i guess u can say im a vegan in spirit from ethical and minimalistic point of view when it comes to lots of things in nutrition but that lean meat is probably in your best interest. plus have lots of stuff you cant get such as the b12, etc.

Kinda off topic but how do you get stretch marks from working out? Is that by bulking too fast? I'm currently bulking and I'd really like to avoid getting stretch marks.

[LightCrow]

A lot of doctors put cancer patients on a Macrobiotic diet. Some dubious studies show that it can stall or reverse the effects of the disease. From what I know of it, it's probably a lot healthier than a raw vegan diet, too. You mainly eat organic grains, vegetables, some Japanese sea vegetables, beans, and fish a few times a week. It's also recommended you chew your food 50 times to help with digestion. It's probably the hardest diet a person could follow though.

[uttaresh]

Well, I eat plenty of raw stuff daily (fruits, nuts, and raw veggies) - but I also have 2 unhealed scars, the only scars I've ever got. Wow, people used to tell me that I had too much stuff raw - and that it was actually bad for digestion! HA! Thanks!!

Related to stretch marks, I suggest you read these articles:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbin...e=StretchMarks

[ironman1964bc]

Since the human body cannot break down cellulose in the gut, that much raw food would not be good, especially in regards to absorbing nutrients. Of course, any diet that denies sugar, bad fats, fast food, etc is going to make you feel better. In fact, there are many all meat eaters that experience increased health when they stop eating junk too.

[plik]

Originally Posted by taoofjord

Kinda off topic but how do you get stretch marks from working out? Is that by bulking too fast? I'm currently bulking and I'd really like to avoid getting stretch marks.

I have stretch marks towards the outside of my chest and inside of my bicep. They're not too bad, but I don't consider myself someone who bulked too quickly.

Some people will use creams and lotions, and even vitamine E; but, from what I understand, some people will get them and some people won't. There's really nothing you can do.

[Mango]

Originally Posted by plik

from what I understand, some people will get them and some people won't. There's really nothing you can do.

That's somewhat true. A lot of it is genetic, and a lot of it is caused by sudden growth. But I don't think anybody here is bulking or cutting quickly enough to get them. But I know a lot of people get them when they're going through puberty.

I have no basis for it, but I always attribute my lack of them to moisturizing the hell out of my skin every morning and night. Whether it's good for preventing stretch marks or not, you sure look better having smooth, healthy skin, than dry skin.

A side note, I don't think anybody other than you really cares if you have stretch marks or not.

Just so that I offer something about the concept of eating only raw foods, I'm not sure if that's a great idea or not, I'd go with not, though. It kinda causes havoc on your poor tummy in terms of gas when you're digesting raw foods.

[nc9892]

raw, uncooked food digests worse than cooked food.

If someone says otherwise they's wrong.

eating tons of fruits and veggies is great for you though.


Being a vegan is bad for most bodies, especially body builders, because it's hard to get adequate protien with this sort of diet.

I know, i was a vegan for over a year. Messed me up.

Omega 3's are key. Yall should look up the benefits if you don't believe me. Eat these, they heal your body hardcore

[plik]

Originally Posted by taoofjord

I've been reading up on people who eat at least 80% organic raw food (fruits, nuts, dehydrated or juiced foods, salads, veggies...) and the theory is that when you eat raw it is MUCH easier for your stomach to digest the food. Not only that, but because it isn't cooked and because it's so easy to digest, you end up getting more nutrients than you ever could eating like the typical person does.

Because of this and the fact that your stomach doesn't have to work hard, many people have reported that various diseases, illnesses, and such have gotten better or healed completely. Scars apparently fade, indigestion/heart burn are no longer a problem, even arthritic pain lessens.

There are also those who bodybuild pretty successfully on a raw vegan diet. Protein is gotten from plants, fruits, and veggies. As well, eating raw vegan is a great way to lose weight and if you eat properly you will not be defiecient in any vitamins or minerals.

Now, I'm not about to switch but I AM curious about it. I find the idea fascinating and I'm curious if anyone here knows more about it or has tried it themselves.

That is right on! Raw is always better.

It’s easier on your stomach because all of the enzymes are still present (they normally get cooked, or processed out).

I don't know about the "sudden healing" part of it; but nutritionally, that is the best approach you can possibly take. You should still eat meat, however. There are nutrients in meat that you can’t replace naturally in a “vegan” diet.

I personally think “vegan” diets over-shoot their target when it comes to nutrition. If eating meat is a moral issue for you, then I respect the decision to hold to your personal standards. However, I believe that God put animals on the Earth for our benefit, and we should treat them kindly, but using them as a source of food is the extent of their creation.

Sorry for the tangent.

[taoofjord]

Originally Posted by nc9892

raw, uncooked food digests worse than cooked food.

If someone says otherwise they's wrong.

eating tons of fruits and veggies is great for you though.


Being a vegan is bad for most bodies, especially body builders, because it's hard to get adequate protien with this sort of diet.

I know, i was a vegan for over a year. Messed me up.

Omega 3's are key. Yall should look up the benefits if you don't believe me. Eat these, they heal your body hardcore

Do you know of any studies that can prove that raw food is harder to digest? Not to belittle you, I just find that hard to believe.

Also, just because someone has gone vegan doesn't mean they are eating right. You have to know what eat when your a vegan just like you have to know what to eat when you aren't. Not to mention the fact that each person responds differently to a particular diet.

[plik]

Originally Posted by nc9892

raw, uncooked food digests worse than cooked food.

Being a vegan is bad for most bodies, especially body builders, because it's hard to get adequate protien with this sort of diet.

I'm not trying to put you down, but those statements are very incorrect.

Vegetables and whole grains contain a lot of protein, and there are a lot of successful vegetarian bodybuilders. You’re correct about the Omega 3’s, though.

Not all vegetarian or “vegan” diets are the same. I have friends whose moms have raised them “vegan” and they grew up very malnourished. The difference is, they’re mom would feed them marshmallow cereal with soy milk for breakfast, and tofu burgers every night for dinner. So, I think some people “go vegan” and miss the point of good vegetarian nutrition.

(I still think you should eat meat, though)

[TDE]

You guys aren't understanding. It's Nuts, Seeds, Fruits and Veggies.

These don't need to be cooked.

I could understand if you said raw eggs or such needed to be cooked for best digestion, but the aforementioned don't.

This type of lifestyle is great. Usually, I'll eat some salmon or chicken, andsome type of whole wheat (bread or brown rice), because their is some degree of defiency w/ the Raw Food diet (B12, complex carbs). (Just one serving though - you don't need alot)

But I make sure to split a chicken patty in half, and eat half the bread portion, and eat the rest at a later time, so digestion isn't so hard. Most of the stuff the regular American eats, and in the fashion (most people will eat some friggin chicken nuggets, a hamburger, + fries in one sitting...plus they're supersize portions!!!) is so hard to digest that it just collects and stays in the system as unexpelled waste.

If you are looking to get rid of the accumulation, get a host of other benefits, and so that it is easier to switch to this type of lifestyle. I reccomend you purchase Stanley Burroughs Master Cleanse book. It's a 21-28 day (for best results) diet/cleanse/detox......they use this type of program for drug addicts to eliminate cravings for drugs. It's the same concept w/ unhealthy fatty foods, and sweets.

I wish I could have discovered it before I started BB'ing, I could of made the progress I've made now in nearly half of the time.

[grapemaster]

stretch marks? hmmmm i guess some people get them and some don't i do not think its from growing too fast, i get them on my chest and biceps. i think it has to do with the elasticity of your skin, mine is naturally quite dry and non elastic.

[ironman1964bc]

Nuts, seeds, veggies, and fruits cannot be digested very well in their raw state. You will get some starch out of them but the nutrients locked up in the cell wall cannot be accessed by human digestion unless they are cooked, fermented, soaked, etc. That is why we are told to eat these foods, the undigested crap (fiber) is supposed to help clean us out and keep us healthy. What a load of bull! The best way to keep your digestion working smoothly is to eat meat and healthy fats like coconut oil.

The only fiber I eat is oatmeal with a few blueberries and some green peppers with my eggs. My digestion has never been better since cutting out all of the excess fiber and carbs, which only encourages unwanted bacterial growth in your gut leading to all kinds of problems like yeast infections and leaky gut syndrome. Everyone should read the book over at www.thefibermenace.com. It should be required reading for every doctor.

In regards to the ethics of being a vegetarian, you would be shocked at the number of animals killed harvesting 1 acre of land. I should know because I picked potatoes for 10 years. The harvester would kill all kinds of rodents like mice, moles, and even small porcupines and raccoons. The concern for animals should apply to them all, not just cows.

[plik]

Originally Posted by ironman1964bc

Nuts, seeds, veggies, and fruits cannot be digested very well in their raw state. You will get some starch out of them but the nutrients locked up in the cell wall cannot be accessed by human digestion unless they are cooked, fermented, soaked, etc. That is why we are told to eat these foods, the undigested crap (fiber) is supposed to help clean us out and keep us healthy. What a load of bull! The best way to keep your digestion working smoothly is to eat meat and healthy fats like coconut oil.

I agree ... partially.

This quote is in my research notes. “Seeds, grains and nuts should be soaked, sprouted, fermented or naturally leavened in order to neutralize naturally occurring anti-nutrients in these foods, such as phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors, tannins and complex carbohydrates.”

But that doesn’t apply to vegetables and fruits. Fresh, uncooked vegetables and fresh, uncooked fruit is always better.

Fiber is essential to every meal. Yes, we don’t absorb fiber, but it lowers the glycemic index (like in white rice vs. brown rice). Fiber slows down the absorption rate so the sugars don’t get assimilated too quickly. That’s why eating a bowl of strawberries will produce a smaller insulin spike than two slices of white bread.

[Jessie22222]

Once meat is cooked it's amino aid profile is destroyed. If you are eating a 4oz chicken breast your body will not digest that as 24g of protein. Raw vegans who know what they are doing acually consume more protein because their protein sources are consumed in an uncookd (no amino acids are destroyed) method. Unmilled cold pressed hemp protein contains all nine amino acids and is fully digested as protein as a bonus it's digestive enzymes are alive so it will never clog up your digestive track like meat does.

[baarat]

^^
More dietary dogma that is extremely idealistic. A proving ground for eating disorders. Raw vegan diets are perfect, follow the diet, and you too can be perfect, repeat many times.......If you can live by the rules, then go for it, but if you ever eat anything cooked, at least admit to one other person, for your mental health and a way out, seriously. IMO

[tinyman5000]

when i see a raw vegan over 120 lbs and male and not skinnyfat/hippyish I'll let you guys know there is hope.

[Vadim Beliaev]

Originally Posted by Jessie22222

Once meat is cooked it's amino aid profile is destroyed. If you are eating a 4oz chicken breast your body will not digest that as 24g of protein. Raw vegans who know what they are doing acually consume more protein because their protein sources are consumed in an uncookd (no amino acids are destroyed) method. Unmilled cold pressed hemp protein contains all nine amino acids and is fully digested as protein as a bonus it's digestive enzymes are alive so it will never clog up your digestive track like meat does.

lol.
Someone failed their organic chemistry.

You cannot destroy amino acids by cooking them at 100 C. To destroy an amino acid (which means removing its amino group or simply breaking bonds between carbons, or however you look at it) requires temperatures in excess of 300 C, strong acids and catalysts.
The protein is actually only denatured after being cooked (which means its three dimensional structure is destroyed, its amino acid profile is left INTACT).
Since proteins are hydrolysed in the digestive tract anyway, this does not matter to us too much.

[tinyman5000]

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

lol.
Someone failed their organic chemistry.

You cannot destroy amino acids by cooking them at 100 C. To destroy an amino acid (which means removing its amino group or simply breaking bonds between carbons, or however you look at it) requires temperatures in excess of 300 C, strong acids and catalysts.
The protein is actually only denatured after being cooked (which means its three dimensional structure is destroyed, its amino acid profile is left INTACT).
Since proteins are hydrolysed in the digestive tract anyway, this does not matter to us too much.

You look like you eat raw vegans for breakfast

[dude57]

Bodybuilding.com has started bodygroups.
Join this great new group for people that want to be veggie and fit!

http://groups.bodybuilding.com/veggies_united

We can support each other along the way.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I know what heals muscles. Steak. Wut?