..............deadlifts...........

paoloex19 · 07-19-2006, 11:25 PM

I have a question about deadlifts, most of the pros and the guys do deadlifts and say its the meat and potatoes of back. but then guys like david henry dont do them at all. what i worry about is if deadlifts will make my midsection to bulky because of the lower back i never hear of many guys with tiny waists who really on deadlift. Does melvin anthony do them. im curious to hear your input.

JuicyCop2 · 07-19-2006, 11:47 PM

Flex Wheeler deadlifted....(smith deads). Arnold deadlifted, and many of the other greats did.

bigcalves · 07-19-2006, 11:48 PM

ronnie does

haez · 07-20-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bigcalves

ronnie does

yeah and ronnie pregnant coleman have a tiny waists?

**iron619** · 07-20-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by paoloex19

I have a question about deadlifts, most of the pros and the guys do deadlifts and say its the meat and potatoes of back. but then guys like david henry dont do them at all. what i worry about is if deadlifts will make my midsection to bulky because of the lower back i never hear of many guys with tiny waists who really on deadlift. Does melvin anthony do them. im curious to hear your input.

We really shouldn't compare or mimick our training, progress, diet, or results to any of the pros. The pros are on another level with many factors, including genetics, that can alter the end results. For the average lifter who wants to gain some size and strength, we must learn (from research and experience) what works for us, individually. The general consensus of deadlifting is that it will build power, strength, and size. It is one of the toughest compound lifts to do, and many have reaped the benefits from this, including myself. I don't mean to get off track and into the possible benefits of this exercise, but rather wanted to remind you that what the pros do won't necessarily work or won't work for us. Regarding a bulky midsection, this will be up to your diet and nutrition. My opinion--do deadlifts; you may thank me in a couple months.

polishmuscle01 · 07-20-2006, 12:08 AM

I'm sure most pro's deadlift, cuz they know it's the best mass builder for back. And deadlifts aren't the main reason that ronnie has a rather large waist.

**iron619** · 07-20-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by boyscouT

Excellent post... reps on recharge.

Thanks man. I've seen these types of posts many times on here. It's normally the younger guys who sees what the pros do and then goes out there and does the same thing. Unfortunately, they are not usually happy with the end results. The bright side about this is, they are members of this forum, and can learn better from the information on here than what FLEX magazine tells them.

paoloex19 · 07-20-2006, 01:14 AM

Hey thanks alot guys for the input. ive definatly been in it long enough to have learned that those flex workouts are generally useless.
But hey i do appreciate the attitude of helping out the younger guys...

**iron619** · 07-20-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by paoloex19

Hey thanks alot guys for the input. ive definatly been in it long enough to have learned that those flex workouts are generally useless.
But hey i do appreciate the attitude of helping out the younger guys...

Hey man, no problem. It's just not the younger guys, but even the older ones that are inexperienced in this iron game. I'm glad you know better than to read and follow the mags out there. Don't get me wrong, there are some outstanding articles written in some magazines; such articles written by Waterbury, Consgrove...etc. Familiarize yourself with the reputable trainers and authors, and you'll know what to spend your time reading from. Good luck with your training.

paoloex19 · 07-20-2006, 02:11 AM

Thanks again for the positive reply. education should definatly come first when it comes to bodybuilding as well as experience. when i do read the mags i prefer Muscle Development what do you think of MD

coofoostu · 07-20-2006, 02:11 AM

I think a lot of pros drop the deadlifts later in their career because its too taxing of an exercise and leads to overtraining. They like to isolate muscle groups and workout almost every day. But if you look at almost any pro's beginning routine, (as in the one that built their mass) it included heavy squats, deadlifts, and bench presses.

Majors · 07-20-2006, 02:55 AM

deads are good but if you are worried about your midsection then wear a belt

Slump · 07-20-2006, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by paoloex19

but then guys like david henry dont do them at all.

No, but he does a lot of variations of rack deads (rack pulls).

Just to clarify.

BB is 4 life :) · 07-20-2006, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by haez

yeah and ronnie pregnant coleman have a tiny waists?

Does he have the biggest back thats ever touched a stage?.....

mindraper · 07-20-2006, 04:59 AM

**** me.. Maybe you should start working out with a bowflex.. Deadlifts wont make your waist bulky UNLESS YOU'RE FAT!

joeytgstk · 07-20-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mindraper

**** me.. Maybe you should start working out with a bowflex.. Deadlifts wont make your waist bulky UNLESS YOU'RE FAT!

lmao bowflex revolution owns, it makes me swole

**TheSheepdog** · 07-20-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by iron619

We really shouldn't compare or mimick our training, progress, diet, or results to any of the pros. The pros are on another level with many factors, including genetics, that can alter the end results. For the average lifter who wants to gain some size and strength, we must learn (from research and experience) what works for us, individually. The general consensus of deadlifting is that it will build power, strength, and size. It is one of the toughest compound lifts to do, and many have reaped the benefits from this, including myself. I don't mean to get off track and into the possible benefits of this exercise, but rather wanted to remind you that what the pros do won't necessarily work or won't work for us. Regarding a bulky midsection, this will be up to your diet and nutrition. My opinion--do deadlifts; you may thank me in a couple months.

yep

ManWithADream · 07-20-2006, 07:53 AM

Set your bar up on something so that it's like 6" off the ground or more, so you don't have to bend all the way down to the flooor. I figured out this really taxes my back but yet my abdominal area was no longer sore. Conclusion? Obliques and abdominal area aren't worked as hard which may help lead to a smaller stomach area.

keepshruggin · 07-20-2006, 09:22 AM

Ronnie's pregnancy is caused by GH enlarging his internal organs, not deadlifts. Light weight!!!

LAWofNJ · 07-20-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by haez

yeah and ronnie pregnant coleman have a tiny waists?

he only became distended after he packed ON LOTS AND LOTS of mass... Before then, he had a tight midsection.

tbush · 11-02-2006, 07:22 PM

Deadlifts work your lower back which can be very strong without becoming "bulky". Look at Arnold when he was younger, his back was extremely huge and strong but his waist was skinny

In his bodybuilding encyclopedia he discusses people wanting to work out but not become "huge" because they think it is ugly. People have a very difficult time becoming huge and bulky so don't worry about doing deadlifts because you will have to work very hard for a very long period of time to get anywhere near looking too bulky and most people never have to worry about this.

Wilde · 11-04-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tbush

Deadlifts work your lower back which can be very strong without becoming "bulky". Look at Arnold when he was younger, his back was extremely huge and strong but his waist was skinny
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So were his legs.

Clean · 11-04-2006, 09:00 PM

If you want a fuller and overall better look, than do deadlifts. They will really fill out your frame because it packs the most mass on the back and the back makes up half your mid section and frame. It also hits a lot of the little spots you would never think of along with the hamstrings, quads, delts, traps, and all over the back.

IMO, try doing deadlifts some of the time and bent over rows half of the time. Both are real good at packing on mass to the back. You will see most pros doing bent over rows as well.

Also, when you do deadlifts, some say that it is better to do mid-low reps because it packs on more mass as opposed to high reps. But experiment, and see if this works for you or not.

Rambo26 · 11-04-2006, 10:15 PM

Brian Buchanan said he followed powerlifting techniques, I presume this included deadlifts
thats enough said imo

bbjeff86 · 11-04-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iron619

We really shouldn't compare or mimick our training, progress, diet, or results to any of the pros.

I hate hearing stuff like this... although i agree to some degree, or atleast understand what your saying. But if we don't model stuff from the pros then who else are we going to model things after... a bunch of scrawny nobodies?

This reasoning is like telling a pewee football athlete not to take tips from payton manning because he's on a whole nother level... when in reality the people on the highest level know what works the best so in many cases are the ones who you can learn the most from... although they aren't the only ones. But you can definately learn alot fromt he pros.

Big Slim DaDDy · 11-04-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bbjeff86

I hate hearing stuff like this... although i agree to some degree, or atleast understand what your saying. But if we don't model stuff from the pros then who else are we going to model things after... a bunch of scrawny nobodies?

This reasoning is like telling a pewee football athlete not to take tips from payton manning because he's on a whole nother level... when in reality the people on the highest level know what works the best so in many cases are the ones who you can learn the most from... although they aren't the only ones. But you can definately learn alot fromt he pros.

I think a reason it is said not to emulate pros is because their bodies are very different from the average joe's. Genetically and in IFBB's case chemically.

DomzyCuttin · 11-05-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bbjeff86

I hate hearing stuff like this... although i agree to some degree, or atleast understand what your saying. But if we don't model stuff from the pros then who else are we going to model things after... a bunch of scrawny nobodies?

This reasoning is like telling a pewee football athlete not to take tips from payton manning because he's on a whole nother level... when in reality the people on the highest level know what works the best so in many cases are the ones who you can learn the most from... although they aren't the only ones. But you can definately learn alot fromt he pros.

I think the reason we shouldnt micmic theyre techniques is because anytihng works when you have good genetics. Its like when a pro writes in an article that preacher curls really helped his peaks, when in reality his genetics gave him peaks. Or "skull crushers really beefed up my triceps", ok maybe, but if he did CGBP it still would have beefed up, because he probably has great genetics there. So what im trying to say is that alot of the time pro's give false info, and just because theyre pros doesnt mean that they know more, its just that anything will work for them, to an extent of course.