Pro Hormones and your liver?

[Spaniard00]

One thing is for sure. Ph's can cause gyno, acne, hair loss, decreased sex drive. The basic question is can a PH really kill you? I am confused because gym rats say it has all the same deadly side effects such as Steroids. Some people claim it does nothing to your prostate, liver, kidneys, heart, blood pressure etc. Which is it?

[NATHAN518]

Originally Posted by Spaniard00

One thing is for sure. Ph's can cause gyno, acne, hair loss, decreased sex drive. The basic question is can a PH really kill you? I am confused because gym rats say it has all the same deadly side effects such as Steroids. Some people claim it does nothing to your prostate, liver, kidneys, heart, blood pressure etc. Which is it?

LOL, kill you? damn, I mean, they are liver toxic...but, its not likely to kill you...
Let me put it this way, if one guy took a whole bottle of Tylenol and another guy a bottle of Superdrol, which do you think would have the best chance to make it?

I am NOT saying there is no risk involved, just that with proper liver support, you will live

[fratboi850]

go to annabolic innovations and get some cycle support... then youre chillin. PH away.

[Wanna B Huge]

Originally Posted by Spaniard00

One thing is for sure. Ph's can cause gyno, acne, hair loss, decreased sex drive. The basic question is can a PH really kill you? I am confused because gym rats say it has all the same deadly side effects such as Steroids. Some people claim it does nothing to your prostate, liver, kidneys, heart, blood pressure etc. Which is it?

First off, it definitely has an effect on blood pressure.....mine raised quite a bit, even with the liver supports. Second, if you take a PH responisibly and take the recommended amount it won't kill you. Do your research before taking a PH or AAS, and have ALL of your liver supps and PCT BEFORE you start the cycle, and you will be fine. If anything feels weird or you get sick, just stop the cycle and PCT for the amount you were on it. There is always a risk, but I wouldn't worry to much about it as long as you did your research and take the PH at recommended dosages

[IRONMANN1]

Originally Posted by Spaniard00

One thing is for sure. Ph's can cause gyno, acne, hair loss, decreased sex drive. The basic question is can a PH really kill you? I am confused because gym rats say it has all the same deadly side effects such as Steroids. Some people claim it does nothing to your prostate, liver, kidneys, heart, blood pressure etc. Which is it?

As long as you dont have any underlying medical conditions and you've done your research thoroughly, PH's are safe.

[BillyB]

Originally Posted by Spaniard00

One thing is for sure. Ph's can cause gyno, acne, hair loss, decreased sex drive. The basic question is can a PH really kill you? I am confused because gym rats say it has all the same deadly side effects such as Steroids. Some people claim it does nothing to your prostate, liver, kidneys, heart, blood pressure etc. Which is it?

Prohormones can have the same side-effects (some even more) then injectable steroids. Unlike a oral prosteroid / injectable steroid, a prohormone undergoes a conversion in the body to reach its target hormone.

Btw, not all of them decrease your sex drive, some have the totally opposite effect. All of them will cause shutdown (some total) of you natural testosterone production.

[jrkarp]

A lot of what are called "prohormones" today are actually active compounds that do not require conversion (TST, TRN, Halo, SD, etc).

Liver damage does occur but the liver is the most resilient organ in the body and as long as PHs are not abused, no permenant damage should occur.

[NATHAN518]

Originally Posted by BillyB

Prohormones can have the same side-effects (some even more) then injectable steroids.

true, but for PHs (and hepatoxicity) the better comparison would be 17-aa's...all are liver toxic

[punksurfer024]

Originally Posted by jrkarp

A lot of what are called "prohormones" today are actually active compounds that do not require conversion (TST, TRN, Halo, SD, etc).

.

wouldnt these be consider "prosteroids"?

[triplewhammy]

Originally Posted by punksurfer024

wouldnt these be consider "prosteroids"?

basically.

[Slated]

I died from my last pheraplex cycle

[Big_Spaz]

Originally Posted by Slated

I died from my last pheraplex cycle

LMAO! I was waiting for someone to say that

Honestly, like others have said, the Liver repairs itself like no other organ in the body. I would just take some uni-liver or some Perfect Cycle and train hard. I don't sweat the small stuff...like dying



-Spaz

[BillyB]

Originally Posted by Slated

I died from my last pheraplex cycle

My gender changed from male to female on my last Pheraplex cycle but luckly I changed back to male durning pct. Nolva for the win!

[Slated]

Originally Posted by BillyB

My gender changed from male to female on my last Pheraplex cycle but luckly I changed back to male durning pct. Nolva for the win!

I'll never forget that time I called your house, and you answered the phone, "Hello, this is Nancy"...

[astump]

I tried Pheraplex and I had some bloodwork one month after. My doc didnt seem at all concerned. He said you take it for such a short period(I was on it just over 3 weeks) the likelyhood of any damage is almost nil. I wouldnt want to ake it for long periods though thats for sure! My bloodwork was completely normal, cholesterol . . everything normal. I DID take liver support supps throughout. One bad side for me though was the prostate, so I think I can say without a doubt it can affect your prostate. It was so bad, it literally took me about 30 seconds just to START pissin! Then it would dribble out for a while, maybe 5 or 10 seconds and then I would get a pitifull little stream goin. I am older, and apparently have a sensitive prostate, so no more PH's for me! Its been 2 months now since my PP and I am almost back to normal. Just thought I would throw in my experience . . . just be carefull and learn before you use!

[Kohen_Gadol]

Originally Posted by jrkarp

A lot of what are called "prohormones" today are actually active compounds that do not require conversion (TST, TRN, Halo, SD, etc).

Liver damage does occur but the liver is the most resilient organ in the body and as long as PHs are not abused, no permenant damage should occur.

Wisest and most factual post of the thread to date.

Good job! How do I rep you points?


BK

[Kohen_Gadol]

Originally Posted by Spaniard00

One thing is for sure. Ph's can cause gyno, acne, hair loss, decreased sex drive. The basic question is can a PH really kill you? I am confused because gym rats say it has all the same deadly side effects such as Steroids. Some people claim it does nothing to your prostate, liver, kidneys, heart, blood pressure etc. Which is it?

Dude, your so stupid. Use the 'search' feature. Don't you know this stuff
will cause you to poop out your liver while you are on the can one day?

Just like that - kerploppie! No more liver!!! You'll turn yellow and then
purple with spots. Your weenie will shrivel up until it is the size of a pimple,
your kidneys will get so swole that you'll have two bean shaped humps
on your back.

Luckily for you, all of this is so preventable. All you need is liver support
supplements which are like magic. Just take some cranberry extract,
silymarin, and magic pixie dust...magic dust...like the stuff Cheech and
Chong talked about.

Man...use the 'search' feature. Find the magic dust...

I am the key master,

BK

[Kohen_Gadol]

Originally Posted by astump

I tried Pheraplex and I had some bloodwork one month after. My doc didnt seem at all concerned. He said you take it for such a short period(I was on it just over 3 weeks) the likelyhood of any damage is almost nil. I wouldnt want to ake it for long periods though thats for sure! My bloodwork was completely normal, cholesterol . . everything normal. I DID take liver support supps throughout. One bad side for me though was the prostate, so I think I can say without a doubt it can affect your prostate. It was so bad, it literally took me about 30 seconds just to START pissin! Then it would dribble out for a while, maybe 5 or 10 seconds and then I would get a pitifull little stream goin. I am older, and apparently have a sensitive prostate, so no more PH's for me! Its been 2 months now since my PP and I am almost back to normal. Just thought I would throw in my experience . . . just be carefull and learn before you use!

What exactly is a support supplement? Is that like hosiery you wear on
your legs when they get too swolen?

Yeah, man that prostate problem...amazing how it went away when you
stopped using Phera...you must have found the magic dust I mentioned, eh?


I am also the gate keeper,

BK

[Axel]

Originally Posted by astump

I tried Pheraplex and I had some bloodwork one month after. My doc didnt seem at all concerned. He said you take it for such a short period(I was on it just over 3 weeks) the likelyhood of any damage is almost nil. I wouldnt want to ake it for long periods though thats for sure! My bloodwork was completely normal, cholesterol . . everything normal. I DID take liver support supps throughout. One bad side for me though was the prostate, so I think I can say without a doubt it can affect your prostate. It was so bad, it literally took me about 30 seconds just to START pissin! Then it would dribble out for a while, maybe 5 or 10 seconds and then I would get a pitifull little stream goin. I am older, and apparently have a sensitive prostate, so no more PH's for me! Its been 2 months now since my PP and I am almost back to normal. Just thought I would throw in my experience . . . just be carefull and learn before you use!

did you use saw palmetto or anything else specific to the prostate during the cycle? have you considered using a less androgenic compound for another cycle in the future (halodrol, methasteron, max lmg)? not that i need you to go on another anabolic cycle, just wondering... i'm very curious if people with susceptible prostates can prevent it with appropriate supplementation. it would kind of validate the claims behind the prostate herbs/supplements.

[astump]

Originally Posted by Axel

did you use saw palmetto or anything else specific to the prostate during the cycle? have you considered using a less androgenic compound for another cycle in the future (halodrol, methasteron, max lmg)? not that i need you to go on another anabolic cycle, just wondering... i'm very curious if people with susceptible prostates can prevent it with appropriate supplementation. it would kind of validate the claims behind the prostate herbs/supplements.

I used Saw Palmetto before/during and after the cycle. I think the anabolics are out for me personally, I dont want to be wearin a diaper any time soon. I am tryin Dieseltest 2010 out now, it seems to actually help the prostate, it has stinging nettle in it, I believe thats the component thats good for the prostate. I'll just get my gains a bit slower I guess

[astump]

Originally Posted by Kohen_Gadol

What exactly is a support supplement? Is that like hosiery you wear on
your legs when they get too swolen?

Yeah, man that prostate problem...amazing how it went away when you
stopped using Phera...you must have found the magic dust I mentioned, eh?


I am also the gate keeper,

BK

Whats your point?

[miketheman]

Originally Posted by punksurfer024

wouldnt these be consider "prosteroids"?

So what is the difference between prosteroids and designer steroids like sd,pp?