I want to bluntly just say **** GENETICS. I'm tired of hearing people say, "oh that guy has good genetics, just look how big he is!" honestly, I dont believe genetics has anything to do with muscle building. Whats my answer then? Dedication.
I've thought of this ever since I started getting into bbing. its dedication folks, not genetics, that truly build muscle. u may look at that one guy who eats like ****, and is still very big and lean. but the thing is, he's DEDICATED to working out, hence his size. the first thing many people say when they see him is, "yup, that guy probably has good genetics" but the thing is, that same guy probably treats lifting weights as his life. think about it.
well, i would talk more, but i gotta go to work. for now, DISCUSS
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07-17-2006, 04:48 PM #1Registered User
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Genetics? Naa...I don't think there is such a thing in bbing. Honestly...
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07-17-2006, 04:55 PM #2Message Board King
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you're wrong. genetics have everything to do with building muscle. you have no scientific evidence to support your claim other thanwhat you've observed. yes, genetics should not stand as an excuse why you cannot build muscle or loose fat. but it does make a significant difference in how fast you're able to build muscle or burn fat. so you're wrong.
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07-17-2006, 04:56 PM #3who dey
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I agree to a certain extent.
But genetics can help you or can be an obstacle. There is no denying it.I ain't straight outta compton, I'm straight out the trailer
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07-17-2006, 05:00 PM #4Registered User
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Genetics deffinatley play a part, I am an ectomorph and I can say for sure that I have a hard time gaining muscle-mass, but I can eat what ever the f*ck I want to and never gain fat which is ok I guess.
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07-17-2006, 05:20 PM #5Registered User
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bs. anyone can gain mass... ect ,meso,endo are just body types it has nothing to do with gaining muscle or gaining wieght.Originally Posted by CalypsoCoupe
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07-17-2006, 05:27 PM #6Anti-Feminist Squad.
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yeah dude but your peak is genetically limited i may reach my bodily limit before your do and cannot gain much past this point but you may be a freak with no limits.
think about it man, sure you can gain mass in anyform but an ecto morph is going to have a different experience building muscle then a mesomorph.
i say genetics deffinatly play a part, but not as big as cracked up to be no. the reason its cracked up so much is people are happy to have an excuse not to be happy with there physical image and they just blame it on theyre genetics why its so hard etc etc. i definatly see your point. any body shape can get massively tanked off msucle if they do whats right for them.Obsession is just what lazy people call dedication.
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07-17-2006, 05:48 PM #7
thread starter is a retard. every point he made was wrong,nothing else to say except explain how my friend can bench press 110 pounds more than me,and we have both been lifting the same amount of time. he misses work outs,eats like a regular person and doesnt care that much about weight lifting,im the exact opposite. gg
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07-17-2006, 05:56 PM #8Registered User
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Dedication to weightlifting and healthy eating for muscular growth is a huge part of gaining muscle obviously, but genetics, without a doubt, has a huge impact on your body composition.
Differing hormone levels (ie. testosterone, estraidol, DHT, cortisol, growth hormone, etc.) have the most effect on body composition.
Havn't you ever seen a guy that doesnt even go to the gym or lift weights, yet is very big?
My grandfather is a perfect example. Never got into lifting weights, just boxing when he was young. The guy is 76 years old and there is no doubt, even going against the fact that when 90% of men get older their androgens decrease, that he is pumping so much testosterone and other androgens throughout his blood.
-Never lifted
-Very wide back
-Very big forearms but they are also ripped, you see all his forearm muscles move when he does things with his hands
-Veins in his arms and hands bulging
-Giant calf muscles
-Thick neck
-Even his FINGERS are muscular (we call him sausage fingers lol)
And again, he is 76 years old.
This was just one example of someone who I would say is "genetically gifted". Hormone levels which we naturally get (genetics) have the biggest effect on body composition.
It has been shown that without even lifting weights, men that were distributed testosterone (a hormone -ie part of genetics) gained more muscle.
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07-17-2006, 05:59 PM #9Registered User
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Originally Posted by B.b. in stress!
no, you're wrong.RIP Wesley aka Iron Addict
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07-17-2006, 06:23 PM #10all day every day
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Genetics are definitely a hindrance in some people's cases...in no way, shape, or form should they be a reason for people to complain...I am naturally skinny and small boned, but I never complain about my genetics, hard work will make up for so much.
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07-17-2006, 06:26 PM #11Message Board King
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you need to stop talking. yes, anyone can gain mass. but your genetics DO have to do with gaining muscle. not whether or not you can, but how much you can. you follow a workout program that works for you, eat enough calories and have the right protein/carb/fat ratio and make sure all your macro and micro nutrients are in check. and sleep 8-10 hours a night. then after that you have no control how much you gain.Originally Posted by hazzard623Goal of June football camp = 400lb squat
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07-17-2006, 06:33 PM #12Childish Insults
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well it doesnt really matter what you believe. what matters is whats true.Originally Posted by B.b. in stress!
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07-17-2006, 06:34 PM #13Powerlifting, Football
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So some you guys think that everyone grows at the same exact speed... your pretty much saying that everyone is the same, which is def. inst true.... i don't think that genetics is really going to stop you but i'm telling you that you will know when you meet a guy with better genetics than you..... Some people just grow faster than others, plain and simple
with all of that said though, you still cant cry about having worse genetics, just get in there, bust your ass, and you will get results
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07-17-2006, 06:35 PM #14Registered User
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genetics really only count in the begginning and when u reach a plateau. then bbing is all about food and supplements.
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07-17-2006, 06:56 PM #15Registered User
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No **** anyone can gain mass but the amount of mass you can gain and how quickly you can gain it are affected by your genetics. I am not using it as an excuse or bitching about it I'm simply stating the facts.Originally Posted by hazzard623
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07-17-2006, 07:00 PM #16Message Board King
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no. I my friend has really "good" genetics. he can gain muscle a LOT faster than me even when we're both doing the exact same thing. and neither of us are beginners or have reached plateus. you guys need to think before you speak.Originally Posted by high_standardsGoal of June football camp = 400lb squat
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07-17-2006, 07:16 PM #17Registered User
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just cuz he gains faster then u doesnt mean hes the god of gentic muscle...you both dont wiegh the same,eat same food and amount at same time go to sleep at same time,**** at same time,take same supplements.Originally Posted by best regards
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07-17-2006, 07:35 PM #18Registered User
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You're definately WRONG. Because my brother doesnt even lift weights and has an amazing back and abs. And other body parts of course. But he has these 2 diamonds on his back and his abs are pretty ripped and visible most of the time. NO hes not just a skinny ass. For exercise he fights (jiu jitsu/wrestling) and for diet he eats mc donalds and wendys and pizza or w/e the hell he wants.
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07-17-2006, 07:38 PM #19I say being an ecto is gay because i can't gain muscle or gain weightOriginally Posted by CalypsoCoupeOnce you've wrestled, everything in life is easy.
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07-17-2006, 07:38 PM #20Banned
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What you think does not prove that its true.Originally Posted by B.b. in stress!
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07-17-2006, 07:44 PM #21Message Board King
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you sir are an idiot. I didnt mean that for real. I was using an example. two people could do that same exact thing and one could gain faster than the other. why? GENETICS.Originally Posted by hazzard623Goal of June football camp = 400lb squat
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07-17-2006, 08:17 PM #22Exotic Bud Enthusiast
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Exactly.Originally Posted by best regards
The majority of you have much to learn.
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07-17-2006, 08:20 PM #23Strength Enthusiast
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Gaining weight/size and being a bodybuilder are two entirely different things. TO be a body builder you need symetry, good msucle shape, and other little genetically determined features to really succeed, in juiced or natural bodybuilding.
Think about it, two guys, same height, same weight, same bf, guy A has small joint structure, and longer msucles, which give him the appearence of being bigger then he actually is. Guy B on the otherhand has large joints and short muscles( gentically induced traits which no amount of weightlifting can compensate for) Who do you think will look better in competition shape? Guy A 9 times out fo 10. Not to say an individual with guy B's body structure couldn't succeed in the sport, it would just take twice the effort and finding ways to trick the eye into making him look like he had longer msucles/ smaller joints then he does.
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07-17-2006, 08:22 PM #24Gettin Back In It
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You are an IDIOT..., DISCUSSOriginally Posted by B.b. in stress!.......
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07-17-2006, 09:49 PM #25Registered User
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hahhhaaOriginally Posted by B.b. in stress!Lift Hard
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07-17-2006, 09:52 PM #26Registered User
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Why does everyone look at genetics as how fast someone looses or gains.
Theres bone size, skin elasticity, muscle length. For example someone with high calves will have significantly smaller calves then someone with calves that attach near the ankle. A prime example is many asians, I see tiny asian women whos calves attach very low, and are pretty meaty. Or another example is my forearms attach very high, and are skinny as hell, yet someone who never works the forearms who has low attachments, will have huge forearms, my one buddy for ex, (who dun lift). Theres also muscle shape, some wont have peaks, horse shoes, diamond calves, flaring lats, even abs, round delts, due to genetics and muscle attachments. So please everyone stop refering to genetics as simply rate of growth, or fat loss. Becuase its very easy to pinpoint genetics on people, no more of this "we cant prove his genetics suck"
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07-17-2006, 10:07 PM #27Registered User
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ive just never saw anybody who had well built muscles without lifting weights.
however, my whole point is that im sick and tired of people using genetics as an excuse for bodies; i think dedication has much more to do with it then bluntly just genetics. i do admit that genetics has some part in muscle gain, but my whole point is (like hazzard said) if u put ur mind to it, no matter what kind of genetics u have, u can get as big as u want.
therefore, that is y i think dedication has a stronger tendency of building muscle than genetics alone. after all, bbing is mostly mental anyways
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07-17-2006, 10:32 PM #28Banned
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are u kidding? genetics are a major part of bb.
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07-17-2006, 10:34 PM #29Registered User
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to the OP,
Genetics [or why only genetics-even upbringing, growing up in adverse cirumstances, or being born with a silver spoon in the mouth] all are factors. But that's just what they are: factors. Nothing else.
Somone may be able to eat 5000 calories and put on little fat, others would bloat with a 2000 calorie diet. Same wih lifts.
I agree with you when you say it's dedication that determines progress. GOOD OR BAD GENTICS can only test you, actually getting huge/cut/lean depends on what you put in. I had a good chest which didn't need too much stimulation for growth but 9.5 inch arms when I started out. They are 14 inches now, and my chest is only slightly better than what it was.
At the end of the day, only one thing matters:
self generated motive power.
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07-17-2006, 11:12 PM #30Registered User
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Hmm, So if genetics don't play a part then my girlfriend should be able to pack on just as much mass as a natural bodybuilder, or could bench over 600 or 700 pounds like powerlifters?
Now I know that is taking it to an extreme, but its only in response to your post that was to the extreme point that genetics don't play a role.
I have a friend that is 140 pounds with 8% bf, and we can eat the exact same amounts of junk food for a month down to each calorie, and he may gain 2-3 pounds, while I might gain 6-8. Even though I am already 60 pounds heavier than him so I should be burning more calories.
Yet at the same time I can do the same workout while eating those foods, and gain 10-15 pounds on my bench that month, while he might gain 5 pounds or less on his bench.
Or you can take my other friend who lifts with me and eats horrible foods and doesn't get much protein at all and skip a workout a week, and he will gain 30 pounds on his bench that same month.
So you tell me how genetics don't play a role.5'10
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