Ok I'm a 23 year old male that has been workin out for several years...on and off, but mostly on. Anyway I have gained lots of strength but little to no mass. for instance I can bench 265-270 2-3 reps but only weigh 155 pounds. I always thought that workin out by its self would eventually give me more mass....guess I was wrong. So now I wish to find the ideal supplements for my physical properties. Unfortunately my genetic disposition dictates that I may go bald as I have thinning hair, so I would prefer to avoid products that may potentially expediate this. I am already on propecia and using rogain. Also I have a form of celiac's disease which means that I cannot have dairy product nor eggs and nuts which are all major sources of protein and supplements....anyone know of an alternative source?? I was wondering if anyone may have some insight on some of the possible supplements that I have been researching. thanks in advance
steroids (illegal)
Primobolan
Anavar
Legal stuff
Superdrol, Ergomax, Elephant Max, Max LMG, Prostanozol
natural test increasers
Tribulus
Avena Sativa
Longjack
creatine and some form of protein supplement
any insight is appreciated
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Thread: whats right for me
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07-10-2006, 10:03 PM #1
whats right for me
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07-10-2006, 10:39 PM #2
Just eat more. If you can't have eggs, eat chicken, steak, tuna, salmon, etc. Make sure you eat enough protein and carbs and rest enough. You could turn to roids I guess, but I think roids cause more trouble than they're worth especially at 155 lbs. Pick up a creatine product, a multi-vitamin, some whey protein, eat enough cals, and stay consistent.
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07-11-2006, 01:58 AM #3Originally Posted by Chevyguy358
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In regards to creatine products, I'd check out Xceed (outstanding feeback) or Clout.
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07-11-2006, 02:08 AM #4Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2My place in here at bb.com is as a fitness enthusiast and recommendations do not represent medical advice. Please consult your examining physician for all medical concerns.
I'm not a "rep," and most "reps":
1) are no more credentialed than you. 2) have no input and no understanding of their product formulations. 3) are merely paid in free product from the company they represent.
http://www.drivensports.co.uk/
http://www.getds.com/
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07-11-2006, 08:11 AM #5
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07-11-2006, 10:31 AM #6
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12-19-2006, 02:18 AM #7
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12-19-2006, 02:43 AM #8
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12-19-2006, 04:19 AM #9My place in here at bb.com is as a fitness enthusiast and recommendations do not represent medical advice. Please consult your examining physician for all medical concerns.
I'm not a "rep," and most "reps":
1) are no more credentialed than you. 2) have no input and no understanding of their product formulations. 3) are merely paid in free product from the company they represent.
http://www.drivensports.co.uk/
http://www.getds.com/
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12-19-2006, 06:36 AM #10
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12-19-2006, 07:29 AM #11
Nutrition / Diet / Macros:
Bulking:
Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time
BMR and nutrition calculator
Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)
Foods (Good vs. Bad)
Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink
When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?
- 1lb beef per day
- 1 Gallon Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Chicken / Turkey
- Beef
- Rice
- Pasta
- Tuna
- Potatoes
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)
If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.
Hungry Hungry Hormones
Massive Eating
Stretch Mark Mass
Mirror / AppearanceCutting:
Measurements
Strength
Bodyweight
When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):What it my basal metabolic rate ?
I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE
I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).
Fullness Factor Chart 1
Fullness Factor Chart 2
Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"
Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.
BMR Calculator:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?
Mirror / AppearanceSupplements:
Measurements
Bodyfat caliper
BodyweightWorkout / Routine:
SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS:
Multivitamin
(Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart)
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein
(Great BCAA profile AND glutamine... Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL or Magnesium Creatine Chelate
Fishoil / Essential Fatty Acids
Essential Amino Acids [Free Form Powder] pre-workout
Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)
Creatine timing (when / how to take it):
Science behind creatine timing
In depth look at creatine
For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !
Example:
Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g
Here is why:
Protein Prejudice
Protein intake studies
BCAA's / Leucine
I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:Cardio:Squatting / Leg pressingBoth BB's and DB's for best results
Deadlifts
Barbell benchpress (Including flat / decline / incline)
Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight
Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).
Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free
Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection
With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come
Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you
Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.
Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):
If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights
If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.
No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea
Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio
Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio
HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio
With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !
Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.
Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up
Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_1_pr.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_2_pr.htm
Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !
Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:
Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here)
Cell volumization:
Other Resources:
Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).
H2O / Cell Volumization... the ultimate supplement
Stretch Mark Mass !
The role of cellular hydration in the regulation of cell function
In depth look at creatine
Glycerine / Glycerol
Nitric Oxide
Rules, Information, and "Best Of" Threads Index
MCWTRAINER's SUPPLEMENT THREADS
The BB.COM Bible - By BIGNBUFF
Nutrient timing - By Halleluyah
Truth about bulking - by Christian Thibaudeau
Good luck !
If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:
pt@controlledlabs.comFree agent
Research and Development Consultant
11+ Years Experience
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12-19-2006, 07:31 AM #12
Some quality brands / products that I recommend:
Creatine:
Green Bulge (caps)EAA / BCAA:
Green MAGnitude (powder)
CVM Xtreme (powder)
Thunder (caps)
Xpand (powder)
Xpand Energized (caps)
Creapure (powder)
Sizeon (powder)
Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)Fatloss / Thermogenics:
Bulk Leucine powder - Unflavored $25 per kilo
MRM BCAA+G - Lemonade (BCAA)
Xtend - Watermelon (BCAA)
Red AcidErgogenic / Stim:
EC Stack
Lean Xtreme
GABA
Forskolin
Blue Up (Original)
SesaGLOW
Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)Whey Isolate:
Red Acid
nEuphoria
PowerJolt
StimX
CNS Caffeine
Ergopharm AMP
GABA
Cerebral
Ergopharm I-PRO - RasberryWhey Concentrate / Blend:
Ergopharm I-PRO - Cherry
Syntrax Nectar - Fuzzy Navel
Optimum Nutrition - Chocolate (includes Aminogen)Casein Protein:
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey - Chocolate Mint (includes Aminogen)
Dymatize - Orange
MilkWeight Gainer / Carbohydrate:
Cottage Cheese
Yogurt
Testosterone / Hormone support during a cutting phase:
Black HOLE (Appetite Stim)
Palatinose
Oats
Steel Cut Oats
Peanut Butter
Almonds
Whey
Milk
NOW Foods Maltodextrin (last resort)
Yogurt
Swolen
Infusion
Blue Up (Stim Free) if using Ephedrine / Red AcidDigestion / Enzymes / PhytoNutrients:
Blue Up (Original) if using as a standalone
Diesel Test
Raw Test
Nettle Root Extract
DIM
EFA's (Essential Fatty Acids)
Black HOLE (Appetite Stim)
Yogurt
Spirulina
NOW Super Enzymes
Aminogen
DIM
Ginger
Optimum FishoilMultivitamin:
KAL Fishoil
NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)Sleep Aids:
NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)Nitric Oxide Precursors / Extreme Cell Volumization:
Optimum Nutrition Melatonin
NOW NightTime Herbs
NOW 5-HTP
White Blood
GlycerGrow
White Blood
NOW AAKG 3500
ErgoPharm 1-NO
GH Max
130lbs to 250lbs on a budget:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=656557
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=478824
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=608116
http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/130-248.jpg
Good luck !Free agent
Research and Development Consultant
11+ Years Experience
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