Uber Arnold !(290lbs)

[Ayudha]

Just surfing around the ironage pages and came across this...Dont know if this has been posted before But Thought it was worth it for those who hadn't seen it ...


http://www.ironage.us/articles/uberarnold.html

[JuicyCop2]

Repost and i garuntee you arnold wouldnt look like that at 290.

[Oz_Rider]

some ppl have too much time...

[kethnaab]

interesting. you gotta figure, back then, it was all about chest and biceps. He could've EASILY added 25 lbs to his legs without an issue, then distributed another 15 lbs throughout his frame without really screwing up his proportions too much

[ryuten]

yea, but his waistland would have to grow just as big.

[JuicyCop2]

He'd look just like gunther with better shape

[towering_flesh]

that picture just looks foolish

[andymuscle88]

Originally Posted by JuicyCop2

He'd look just like gunther with better shape

Yeah right bro! Gunter's torso looks like a box. At least Arnold still had a decent V-taper given his waist size. Nowhere near as bad as Gunter's IMO.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by ryuten

yea, but his waistland would have to grow just as big.

No it wouldn't. He actually cared about his lines unlike the bodybuilders of today. Like that other guy said, he could have easily added significant leg mass without sacrificing anything and evenly distributed some more mass to the rest of his frame. Only problem is that it would take a longer time than other pros because Arnold wouldn't sacrifice the waist. the other guys sacrifice it by adding mass too quickly and all that food ends of distending their stomach.

[r-asp]

Thats just silly he would not be able to get that big without making huge sacrifices in his waist line. The picture there assumes he can put on 50lbs and not add anything to his ALREADY large waist at 34inchs...

[Always Upset]

They forgot to add a huge GH GUT

[Uriel_da_man]

You guys make it sound like Arnold had the best genetics in the universe. He could have never been like today's pros because he didn't have access to the powerful substances they do, and if he had been born thirty years later today he would have a gut like everyone else. He WOULD NOT be 290lbs @ competition without huge amounts of AAS (far more than he did in his day), insulin and IGF-1.

[TheIntense1]

Guess what we'll never know for sure...lol, i think in todays era, he would have been a little heavier, i don't think he would have went the Gh gut way because he cared abouth ow everything fit together. But there are some substances around that weren't than that would have added some mass without the gut, and he would have had to pound the legs once he saw everyone elses. So i definetly think maybe he could have been about20-30lbs heavier safely nowadays.

[coldfusion71]

Originally Posted by TheIntense1

Guess what we'll never know for sure...lol, i think in todays era, he would have been a little heavier, i don't think he would have went the Gh gut way because he cared abouth ow everything fit together. But there are some substances around that weren't than that would have added some mass without the gut, and he would have had to pound the legs once he saw everyone elses. So i definetly think maybe he could have been about20-30lbs heavier safely nowadays.

that is bull arnold wouldve took whatever he had to take to suceed .it is really annoying all the blatant glossing over of what arnold really was, he was a non english speaking immigrant looking to suceeed. to suggest he wouldve stayed away from using gh because of health is laughable, he smokes cigars daily drank, and smoked weed doesnt sound like someone who is overly concerned about his health, this romanticising of arnold has to stop.

[IBey777]

Originally Posted by ryuten

yea, but his waistland would have to grow just as big.

I second that.

[Ciups]

you boys need to check Uber Sergio in that article LOL.

That boy woulda won 35 Olympias lmao

[hhherc23]

Yeah... apparently every good pro back then would've owned every pro nowadays for "15" years straight, at least. HAHAHA!!! Buncha morons on that site. Yeah, if those pros had what pros have today, appartenly they'd also have 28 and 30 inch arms, ROFL! All the while, keeping almost the exact same midsection and getting legs thick as ****. I say Ronnie would own anyone, to me he's the best Mr. Olympia and bodybuilder to ever walk on the stage. If you want to point out his gut that he has sometimes, well when he won he had shredded abs with a small midsection and was huge as ****. I don't care what lil arnie or sergy were on, they wouldn't beat ronnie. And everyone's saying arnold would have had huge legs, BULL****! Tom Platz had ****ing massive legs back in the day and Kevin levrone's legs were pretty small by todays standards, and that's how arnold would've been. Sergio just doesn't have the same body type as ronnies and wouldnt look as good as him no matter how much u make him up. That guy who made the site is just like all these lil arnold whores who think the old guys were the best.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by coldfusion71

that is bull arnold wouldve took whatever he had to take to suceed .it is really annoying all the blatant glossing over of what arnold really was, he was a non english speaking immigrant looking to suceeed. to suggest he wouldve stayed away from using gh because of health is laughable, he smokes cigars daily drank, and smoked weed doesnt sound like someone who is overly concerned about his health, this romanticising of arnold has to stop.

Not because of health...because it woulld destroy his physique you idiot.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by Uriel_da_man

You guys make it sound like Arnold had the best genetics in the universe. He could have never been like today's pros because he didn't have access to the powerful substances they do, and if he had been born thirty years later today he would have a gut like everyone else. He WOULD NOT be 290lbs @ competition without huge amounts of AAS (far more than he did in his day), insulin and IGF-1.

Dude the point is he would look like that if he was around today.....therefore he'd have the things our guys have....your point is moo.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Originally Posted by JuicyCop2

He'd look just like gunther with better shape

Are all GunTER fans morons or is it how im reading the ridiculous posts they consitantly make.....


People, you can say gunter is the best int he world until your keyboard stops working or you wear your fingers down to stubs and have to type with your noses......but it aint gonna make it so!!!

[coldfusion71]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

Not because of health...because it woulld destroy his physique you idiot.

and you know that how you fool? you dont. you dont know what dosage of drug will do to any given person. all this gh talk is brought to us by ignorant teenager such as yourself who, 1. dont know what the drug actually does and believes every fairytale and conspiracy theory about it. instead of coming up with childish retorts suuch as saying someone is owned you should actually look into the validity of the arguments presented. in the guys previous post he say he wouldnt use gh because he liked to be fit, which is nonsense. youa re looking at this out of the eyes of a rabid fan instead of the situation arnold was when he came to america ,he wasnt a instant star he had to pays his dues so to suggest he wouldnt have used a substance that would give him a edge is foolhearted, he wouldve done anyhting he could to win.

[Uriel_da_man]

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Dude the point is he would look like that if he was around today.....therefore he'd have the things our guys have....your point is moo.

I meant it as they were saying that Arnold had built a big chest and biceps because he focused on them but if he focused on his back just as hard he would have had a back like Dorian Yates They seam to forget that it's not all down to training...

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by coldfusion71

and you know that how you fool? you dont. you dont know what dosage of drug will do to any given person. all this gh talk is brought to us by ignorant teenager such as yourself who, 1. dont know what the drug actually does and believes every fairytale and conspiracy theory about it. instead of coming up with childish retorts suuch as saying someone is owned you should actually look into the validity of the arguments presented. in the guys previous post he say he wouldnt use gh because he liked to be fit, which is nonsense. youa re looking at this out of the eyes of a rabid fan instead of the situation arnold was when he came to america ,he wasnt a instant star he had to pays his dues so to suggest he wouldnt have used a substance that would give him a edge is foolhearted, he wouldve done anyhting he could to win.

I'll give you credit there. But I will also say that there are some studies that show that insuline and testosterone play a much larger role in building muslce than hgh. In fact, most scientists don't understand how gh affects muscle growht. They only know that it does. Gh goes up but it makes test go down (if I remember correctly...but I may be thinking of insulin.) so there are just too many factors to consider.

[Guardian]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

I'll give you credit there. But I will also say that there are some studies that show that insuline and testosterone play a much larger role in building muslce than hgh. In fact, most scientists don't understand how gh affects muscle growht. They only know that it does. Gh goes up but it makes test go down (if I remember correctly...but I may be thinking of insulin.) so there are just too many factors to consider.

Hgh doesnt effect muscle growth significantly from most studies i look at. I believe hgh is used more so to sustain muscle while cutting allowing bbers to reach lower bodyfat levels while retaining greater amounts of mass.

The "guts" of todays bodybuilders is most likely a combination of many factors. The first is the highger quanities of calories consumed and the frequency of it. Back in Arnolds day the guys did eat there fair share but they werent eating large meals every other hour. I know personally at the end of the day my stomach often can become distended some from eating 5 or 6 timea day and my calorie intake is roughly 3.5-4k or so (on bulk non keto diet) which is substaNtially less then guys Like ronnie or jay have who prolly intake at least 7-8 thousand a day if not more. The next reason may be the above combined with the use of insulin and igf which may contribute to distention and fat deposits in the abdomin. A third reason may be that todays bbers more then ever are putting tremendous stress on there bodies which is likely to raise cortisol. Cortisol at high levels will trigger "VAT" or visceral adipose tissue usually found in the abdomin and sometimes gluts/upper thights (more in women). This is why alot of Americans while not fat everywhere are sturggling with petruding stomachs. Finally while not fully studied it is hypothesized that in the presence of the above growth hormone may contribute to the enlarging of internal organs principally in the digestive tract.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by Guardian

Hgh doesnt effect muscle growth significantly from most studies i look at. I believe hgh is used more so to sustain muscle while cutting allowing bbers to reach lower bodyfat levels while retaining greater amounts of mass.

The "guts" of todays bodybuilders is most likely a combination of many factors. The first is the highger quanities of calories consumed and the frequency of it. Back in Arnolds day the guys did eat there fair share but they werent eating large meals every other hour. I know personally at the end of the day my stomach often can become distended some from eating 5 or 6 timea day and my calorie intake is roughly 3.5-4k or so (on bulk non keto diet) which is substaNtially less then guys Like ronnie or jay have who prolly intake at least 7-8 thousand a day if not more. The next reason may be the above combined with the use of insulin and igf which may contribute to distention and fat deposits in the abdomin. A third reason may be that todays bbers more then ever are putting tremendous stress on there bodies which is likely to raise cortisol. Cortisol at high levels will trigger "VAT" or visceral adipose tissue usually found in the abdomin and sometimes gluts/upper thights (more in women). This is why alot of Americans while not fat everywhere are sturggling with petruding stomachs. Finally while not fully studied it is hypothesized that in the presence of the above growth hormone may contribute to the enlarging of internal organs principally in the digestive tract.

thx for putting some science into your response. reps once I recharge

[JuicyCop2]

Originally Posted by andymuscle88

Yeah right bro! Gunter's torso looks like a box. At least Arnold still had a decent V-taper given his waist size. Nowhere near as bad as Gunter's IMO.

Thats why i said with better shape..... (-_-)

[JuicyCop2]

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Are all GunTER fans morons or is it how im reading the ridiculous posts they consitantly make.....


People, you can say gunter is the best int he world until your keyboard stops working or you wear your fingers down to stubs and have to type with your noses......but it aint gonna make it so!!!

I am by no mean a Gunter fan and i dont appreciate your smart ass lip jackass. I was simply stating how i think Arnold would look with mroe size.

[MUSCULAR FREAK]

Check out these pics I found, there not the uber deal but obviously PS. One of Dorian and another of Phil Hill.

[Drudge]

Its pretty cool to speculate about how Arnold might have looked these days.

[mar_angry]

Originally Posted by Drudge

Its pretty cool to speculate about how Arnold might have looked these days.

I honestly dont think he would have looked better. I think the Uber arnold is a joke really, the thing is look at ronnie, gustavo, Everyone has tried to go 'uber'.

They all ended up with distended bellies. I think arnold would have had a better back, legs etc. But Even in his day he didnt have the best of everything. He was extremely charismatic which is why he won. He had the 'look'. Im not saying he wasnt the best onstage, just that he isnt the best to have ever come out (awaits flames)